Roman Reigns begins to outdraw Cena!

[Crocker]

- Below are recent WWE attendance figures:


* August 28th in Ft. Myers, FL drew 6,000 fans (John Cena tour)
* August 29th in Orlando drew 6,500 fans (Cena tour)
* August 29th in San Juan, PR drew 13,000 fans (Roman Reigns tour)
* August 30th in Daytona Beach drew 4,000 fans (Cena tour)
* August 30th in Tallahassee drew 7,000 fans (Reigns tour)
* August 31st in Tampa for RAW drew 9,000 fans

It is worth noting that its been happening for quite a while.

Not posting them all since the matches barely change and the point of it is showing who is on which show:

* August 29th in Orlando drew 6,500 fans (Cena tour)
Capacity is 17,200

Dean Ambrose b Kevin Owens, Jimmy Uso b Baron Corbin, Charlotte & Paige & Becky Lynch b Sasha Banks & Naomi & Tamina Snuka, No DQ: Dolph Ziggler b Rusev, Jack Swagger b Tyler Breeze, Tag titles: Big E & Xavier Woods b Titus O’Neil & Darren Young, WWE title: John Cena b Seth Rollins-DQ

* August 29th in San Juan, PR drew 13,000 fans (Reigns tour)
Capacity is 18,163

IC title: Ryback b Big Show, Cesaro b Bo Dallas, Natalya b Emma, Neville b Stardust, Chris Jericho b Luke Harper, Randy Orton b Sheamus, R-Truth b Heath Slater, Los Matadores b Sin Cara & Kalisto, Street fight: Roman Reigns b Bray Wyatt

* August 30th in Daytona Beach drew 4,000 fans (Cena tour)
Capacity is 8,582

Dolph Ziggler b Rusev, Jimmy Uso b Tyler Breeze, Paige & Charlotte & Becky Lynch b Naomi & Sasha Banks & Tamina Snuka, Dean Ambrose b Kevin Owens, Jack Swagger b Baron Corbin, Tag titles: Xavier Woods & Kofi Kingston b Titus O’Neil & Darren Young, WWE title: John Cena b Seth Rollins-DQ

* August 30th in Tallahassee drew 7,000 fans (Reigns tour)
Capacity is 9000-10.000 I think.

IC title: Ryback b Big Show, Cesaro b Bo Dallas, Natalya b Emma, Chris Jericho b Luke Harper, Randy Orton b Sheamus, Neville b Stardust, R-Truth b Heath Slater, Sin Cara & Kalisto b Los Matadores, Street fight: Roman Reigns b Bray Wyatt

Reigns is hot with the casual fanbase and hes only 2 and a half years into his career. Well what do you have to say for yourself Bernkastel?

 

[therockiswwf]

Breathe Crocker. Breathe.

Remember hot streak doesn't mean anything. It's all about having a track record. Plus you're ignoring a lot of factors.

 

[Cena Is A Punk Rocker]

Cool. Go Cena.

 

[Bernkastel]

So how exactly are these numbers any more credible than what I used? Seems to me that this is a really small test sample accounting for no other visible factors.

 

[Cena Is A Punk Rocker]

Not to mention, why should anyone give a shit?

 

[Con T.]

Small sample size, and Puerto Rico really throws a wrench into the argument. Puerto Rico in general rarely gets WWE shows (at least, it's more rare than WWE doing the Florida circuit), so logic would dictate that Puerto Rico number would be pretty big.

Still, have to say, didn't think Reigns would have it in him. That isn't awful, at all, and if someone is to carry the other tour route, why not let it be Reigns?

 

[Slash-LN]

I'll say here what I said in the thread about numbers being higher with Kevin Owens as Cena's opponent than Wyatt being Cena's opponent meaning Kevin Owens can draw as a main event guy.

Even if I feel Owens can, if you're going to try to convince someone of something you need more information to back it up.

At least this is comparing two wrestlers and giving arena capacity and who else was on the card rather than "Cena and Bray drew an average of 6,000 and Cena and Owens drew and average of 6,500 therefore Owens is a main event draw. Oh, Orton vs Sheamus drew an average of 2,500" or whatever that number was.

 

[Bernkastel]

Small sample size, and Puerto Rico really throws a wrench into the argument. Puerto Rico in general rarely gets WWE shows (at least, it's more rare than WWE doing the Florida circuit), so logic would dictate that Puerto Rico number would be pretty big.

Still, have to say, didn't think Reigns would have it in him. That isn't awful, at all, and if someone is to carry the other tour route, why not let it be Reigns?

My source left out non US house shows because they were way bigger for this reason.

I mean I don't doubt that Reigns is a bigger draw in 2015 for house shows than he was in 2014. But it is also likely that Reigns is still headlining shows in the smaller cities while Cena I'm sure is headlining in the bigger cities.

 

[Bernkastel]

I'll say here what I said in the thread about numbers being higher with Kevin Owens as Cena's opponent than Wyatt being Cena's opponent meaning Kevin Owens can draw as a main event guy.

Even if I feel Owens can, if you're going to try to convince someone of something you need more information to back it up.

At least this is comparing two wrestlers and giving arena capacity and who else was on the card rather than "Cena and Bray drew an average of 6,000 and Cena and Owens drew and average of 6,500 therefore Owens is a main event draw. Oh, Orton vs Sheamus drew an average of 2,500" or whatever that number was.

Yeah those numbers were also missing allot of factors. Kane vs Sheamus in 2014 was drawing 4,000+. Does that mean Kane in 2014 was a bigger draw than Orton in 2015? Very highly unlikely.

 

[Crocker]

So how exactly are these numbers any more credible than what I used? Seems to me that this is a really small test sample accounting for no other visible factors.

Look at the matches on the card. Reigns drew more with less star power. Cena, who is a lot more credible and a bigger star AND had more star power in his crew, drew less.

Not to mention, why should anyone give a shit?

Because people like to talk about who draws and who doesn't here?

Small sample size, and Puerto Rico really throws a wrench into the argument. Puerto Rico in general rarely gets WWE shows (at least, it's more rare than WWE doing the Florida circuit), so logic would dictate that Puerto Rico number would be pretty big.

Still, have to say, didn't think Reigns would have it in him. That isn't awful, at all, and if someone is to carry the other tour route, why not let it be Reigns?

Lets look at some other facts shall we? Roman Reigns tour drew 13,000. It was a near SELLOUT. Look how much more he drew than the previous San Juan shows :

(2010) 9/4 San Juan, PR (WWE Raw - 11,000):
-U.S. title: The Miz b Evan Bourne
-Goldust b Zack Ryder
-Tag titles: David Hart Smith & Tyson Kidd b Usos, Daniel Bryan b Ted DiBiase
-WWE title: Randy Orton b Sheamus-DQ
-Divas title/Eve Torres ref: Melina b Alicia Fox
-John Cena & Mark Henry & John Morrison b Wade Barrett & Heath Slater & Michael Tarver.

(2011) 9/2 San Juan, PR (WWE Raw - 11,000)
-Evan Bourne & John Morrison b The Miz & R-Truth
-Zack Ryder b Mason Ryan
-Jack Swagger b Percy Watson
-WWE title: Alberto Del Rio b C.M. Punk
-Divas title: Kelly Kelly b Beth Phoenix,
-U.S. title: Dolph Ziggler won three way over Primo and Alex Riley
-WWE title: John Cena b Alberto Del Rio-DQ

(2012) 3/24 San Juan (WWE Raw - 9,800)
-R-Truth b Leo Kruger
-Ryback b Alex Riley
-Eve Torres b Kelly Kelly
-Tag titles: Primo & Epico won three-way over Alberto Del Rio & Ricardo Rodriguez and Mason Ryan & Zack Ryder
-U.S. title: Santino Marella b Jack Swagger
-Chris Jericho b Kofi Kingston
-Brodus Clay b The Miz,
-Last man standing: John Cena b Kane, 2/3 falls WWE title: C.M. Punk b Dolph Ziggler
(The 3/24 show in San Juan drew 9,800 paying $385,000.)

(2013) 1/5 San Juan, PR (WWE Smackdown - 7,000)
-Usos b Darren Young & Titus O’Neil
-Yoshi Tatsu b Heath Slater
-Layla b Aksana
-Primo & Epico b Damien Sandow & Cody Rhodes
-Great Khali b David Otunga
-IC title no DQ: Wade Barrett b Kofi Kingston,
-Three-way for world title: Big Show won over Sheamus and Randy Orton
(1/5 in San Juan drew 7,000 and $300,000.)

 

[klunderbunker]

Going to a market outside the US is one of the biggest guarantees of drawing huge. It took WCW in 2000 to screw up this formula so you know there's something to it.

 

[Bernkastel]

Going to a market outside the US is one of the biggest guarantees of drawing huge. It took WCW in 2000 to screw up this formula so you know there's something to it.

Yeah, Bruno drew 40,000 in Venezuela. Jim Londos drew 80,000+ in Greece.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Do people even know who is going to be on a card when they buy tix?

Anyway, I see great things in the future for Emma. Great job girl.

 

[klunderbunker]

Do people even know who is going to be on a card when they buy tix?

Anyway, I see great things in the future for Emma. Great job girl.

Maybe the top matches but not always. Most of the advertising is just "Come see John Cena, Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens!". You'll get some matches announced later but it's more of the individual names.

 

[Bernkastel]

Do people even know who is going to be on a card when they buy tix?

Anyway, I see great things in the future for Emma. Great job girl.

On the WWE website they show which wrestlers will be featured for a house show, but not an actual card to my knowledge.

 

[Slash-LN]

Seems like you get 5 or 6 names and then the week of the show they give you the main event and usually one other match and that match is usually a special match type like a (your town) street fight or the occasional cage match.

 

[therockiswwf]

Look at the matches on the card. Reigns drew more with less star power. Cena, who is a lot more credible and a bigger star AND had more star power in his crew, drew less.



Because people like to talk about who draws and who doesn't here?



Lets look at some other facts shall we? Roman Reigns tour drew 13,000. It was a near SELLOUT. Look how much more he drew than the previous San Juan shows :

(2010) 9/4 San Juan, PR (WWE Raw - 11,000):
-U.S. title: The Miz b Evan Bourne
-Goldust b Zack Ryder
-Tag titles: David Hart Smith & Tyson Kidd b Usos, Daniel Bryan b Ted DiBiase
-WWE title: Randy Orton b Sheamus-DQ
-Divas title/Eve Torres ref: Melina b Alicia Fox
-John Cena & Mark Henry & John Morrison b Wade Barrett & Heath Slater & Michael Tarver.

(2011) 9/2 San Juan, PR (WWE Raw - 11,000)
-Evan Bourne & John Morrison b The Miz & R-Truth
-Zack Ryder b Mason Ryan
-Jack Swagger b Percy Watson
-WWE title: Alberto Del Rio b C.M. Punk
-Divas title: Kelly Kelly b Beth Phoenix,
-U.S. title: Dolph Ziggler won three way over Primo and Alex Riley
-WWE title: John Cena b Alberto Del Rio-DQ

(2012) 3/24 San Juan (WWE Raw - 9,800)
-R-Truth b Leo Kruger
-Ryback b Alex Riley
-Eve Torres b Kelly Kelly
-Tag titles: Primo & Epico won three-way over Alberto Del Rio & Ricardo Rodriguez and Mason Ryan & Zack Ryder
-U.S. title: Santino Marella b Jack Swagger
-Chris Jericho b Kofi Kingston
-Brodus Clay b The Miz,
-Last man standing: John Cena b Kane, 2/3 falls WWE title: C.M. Punk b Dolph Ziggler
(The 3/24 show in San Juan drew 9,800 paying $385,000.)

(2013) 1/5 San Juan, PR (WWE Smackdown - 7,000)
-Usos b Darren Young & Titus O’Neil
-Yoshi Tatsu b Heath Slater
-Layla b Aksana
-Primo & Epico b Damien Sandow & Cody Rhodes
-Great Khali b David Otunga
-IC title no DQ: Wade Barrett b Kofi Kingston,
-Three-way for world title: Big Show won over Sheamus and Randy Orton
(1/5 in San Juan drew 7,000 and $300,000.)

David Otunga vs Khali. Egads.

 

[Papa Pillman]

David Otunga vs Khali. Egads.

Haha. That show has the worst looking line-up on paper that I've seen for a major wrestling company.

 

[Cena Is A Punk Rocker]

Unless you work for the company, why the fuck should you care about drawing numbers? I just don't get the argument.

 

[Crocker]

Same reason why guys like Bernkastel and Spidamite always talk about how much of a draw Cena is. "WWE is a business and Cena is best for business". You should go ask them instead

 

[Crocker]

It was even on the first few pages of this thread http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=299829

 

[Cena Is A Punk Rocker]

Never my argument. Mine was the obsessive hatred. Nobody is innocent here.

 

[Navi]

Same reason why guys like Bernkastel and Spidamite always talk about how much of a draw Cena is. "WWE is a business and Cena is best for business". You should go ask them instead

Because he is a draw. Have you ever been too a house show? It's totally different from RAW or SD. There are usually thousands of kids, and they are the ones who spend the money. Not their own money, Mom and Dad's. I've seen people literally spend 100's of dollars at the merchandise booth's to outfit their little ones in everything John Cena.

He pulls them in and they come, and when they do the WWE makes a fortune off of them. The WWE would be idiots to let go of that gravy train. They are in the business to make money, and Cena makes them money. You can dislike him all you want, but there are thousands of people out there to make up for the one of you, and that's who the WWE cares about.

As for the topic of this thread, you forgot to mention that Reigns will draw well in Florida. That's where he grew up and lives now. As a matter of fact a friend of mine's sister was just here visiting and I found out she lived down the street from him in Pensacola. Small world.

 

[Cena Is A Punk Rocker]

Once again, I ask. Do you make/lose money off of these numbers? If you do then they should mean something to you. If you do not, why do you really care? This isn't directed at anyone in particular. Just a general question. I've always wondered why somebody who isn't promoting a show would care.

 

[Stone Cold Tea]

Once again, I ask. Do you make/lose money off of these numbers? If you do then they should mean something to you. If you do not, why do you really care? This isn't directed at anyone in particular. Just a general question. I've always wondered why somebody who isn't promoting a show would care.

What aren't you understanding about the fact it's a wrestling forum and people like to talk about all aspects on here?