Rock VS Cena? Fine, now what do they do for an encore?

[Yoof]

It's Wrestlemania 30. By and large THE biggest WWE event. While it could serve as the best platform to put over younger stars, WWE has other PPVs and future Wrestlemanias to do that. WM30 should be all about putting on the biggest and best possible show with the biggest and best possible names.

The Undertaker and John Cena most certainly will be involved at WM 30, and it only makes sense to put them against the best possible opponents at WWE's biggest event. As stated before by others, there are no other superstars apart from John Cena and Brock Lesnar that actually pose a legitimate threat to the streak. However, it wouldn't be best for business to have a part timer like Brock Lesnar get the win over Taker, although it is completely feasible for someone of his stature to do such a thing. That leaves us with John Cena. As for the actual outcome of the match, I'm not so sure where I stand on that. We don't know how many more WMs Taker can do, but we can safely assume that number is less than the fingers in one hand.

I personally think the streak can go about one of three ways:

1. WWE could use the streak as a surefire way to cement the status of whoever will be the future face of the business.
2. Immortalize John Cena as the greatest WWE superstar in history
3. Maintain its legacy

Option 3 would be a waste, and I'm sure Taker would want to put over somebody at some point with his streak, as it is best for business. If he is going to do that, it ought to be at WM 30.

 

[L@RISANO]

No, John Cena wouldn't be hated forever. Do you remember the night after WrestleMania 26 when Undertaker came to the ring to confront Shawn Michaels? The crowd booed at the Undertaker. When he honored him, those boos turned into cheers and to this day, he still gets cheered a lot. John Cena isn't hated as much as people make it appear. He's the top draw in the WWE and make up to $100,000,000 for the company annually. This would show his popularity and that several people pay good money to see him perform, i.e he isn't hated by the majority. The "Superman" booking idea is ridiculous. There haven't been any matches of late where he has been getting beat down on until he hits the "5 moves of doom."



This takes me on to the match with Hulk Hogan and The Rock. The Rock was the face and Hogan was the heel. The Rock was cheered and Hogan was cheered louder. What happened in the middle of the match? The fans were slowly cheering louder and louder for The Rock and the arena erupted when he won. Even at WrestleMania 29, The Rock was cheered and John Cena was booed but towards the middle and certainly at the end, John Cena was cheered on. The same will happen assuming this takes place, as long as Undertaker and John Cena keep the match going and put each other over, which we can certainly count on. Making each other look good in the match will gain the appreciation of the audience, as happened in the two matches above. Both of these men are good performers and very experienced. They know what they're doing so you can expect both men to get cheered.

One thing I don't understand is why people say John Cena will get booed for beating the Undertaker. Ending the steak isn't a negative thing, it's an achievement. Why would the fans boo Cena for pinning the Undertaker? It was understandable that Undertaker was booed for a short while for ending Shawn Michaels' career, but why would a babyface get booed for accomplishing something no other man could?

I was referring to the possibility of a John Cena Heel turn after the Streak match(if it happened).
Right now, it is clear Cena is hated on more and more, and it is because he was booked as a "Superman" of sorts. Indeed for the past year or so, he has lost cleanly,more notably to Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton.
However, he also won the Royal Rumble and won the WWE title at Wrestlemania, also he came back from injury(the main reason he put over Daniel Bryan,lMO) and won the WHC. So he was still booked very strongly whichever way you look at it.

Shawn Michaels nor Undertaker were getting like Cena has been at the times of their match. When Taker was booed, it was accepted as a spur of the moment rather than something many expected to last for a long time. Both HBK and Taker are beloved superstars of the Majority, and the key aspect is that you will not find many true haters of them either. The Streak match is also a legacy, a live big time nostalgia match as well and the Undertaker might just be the Most respected Superstar of All-Time,lMO.
John Cena, as you say is well loved(Heck, I am a Huge fan of the guy), but he has true haters as well. For example, when he announced he was injured post-Summerslam, do you remember how people in that arena cheered?It was ridiculous how happy they were that a Babyface legend was going to miss time due to injury.

Again, Hulk Hogan is an eternal legend of wrestling. The ovation and cheers he got when he was inducted into the WWE HOF are testament to that, and regardless of how many view his ego today, I am sure if makes an appearance at WM, he will be come out to a Huge Pop. The Rock was also well loved at that time, again I will say that John Cena at this point is a polarising figure, nothing like the Rock,Hulk Hogan or HBK and Taker were at the time of their matches. Put Cena with someone who is over with the crowd and he will be booed as much as he is cheered.
At this time, he is feuding with Randy Orton who is playing a full heel character and is also stale like John Cena is, thus the booing of Cena has noticeably died down. To save the Ascension Ceremony, John Cena improvised and used Daniel Bryan's name to get the crowd behind him. It confirmed how great of a promo worker he is, something I have never doubted, but as I have said, his character is what his haters rant about.

The point you seem to have missed is my main point, that is that currently John Cena is a polarising figure in the Wrestling World. He does get cheers, that much is a surety, but personally, I want that when he hangs up his boots and is inducted into the WWE HOF, he is inducted to a chorus of Cheers and Respect from the crowd. Him beating the streak at this time, I feel will impact negatively on his legacy overall in terms of popularity, just my opinion and the way I see things at this time.

 

[steven87gill]

Compared to most talent on his level, Cena has never really had that career defining moment. Sure he's beaten Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Great Khali, Randy Orton, Batista and The Rock, but have any of them really defined his career? Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant who was known worldwide, The Rock beat Hogan, Bruno Sammartino held the WWE Championship for over 4000 days and Steve Austin lead the most popular era in Wrestling. Does anybody count Cena's win over The Rock as a huge victory? It was the original match at WrestleMania 28 which everybody cared about and his win over The Rock last year didn't really feel like a big win the WWE would have liked it to be, which is exactly why I would have had him beat The Rock originally. How did The Rock benefit from the win?

I can think of a couple of matches which would award Cena his career defining moment. As mentioned, he has defeated both Triple H and Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania. The wins did add to his successful title defences but they aren't equivalent to him beating a star bigger than himself, like The Rock. That leaves Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin. Several fans would complain about their ages, back injuries, knee injuries and neck injuries but these men are some of the best performers in the industry and also the biggest draws. Limited on moves or not, either one of them could have a good match with John Cena. Both men in the match would be able to carry each other and a win over whichever one would do wonders for Cena.

The other match which springs to mind is against the Undertaker. Both of these men are larger than life characters and are extremely popular with the younger generation of WWE fans. They may have had matches in the past but they were all very early in Cena's career and they were not in a feud with each other. John Cena is in his prime and can be seen as a legitimate competitor and threat to the streak. While retiring on 22-0 would be great for Undertaker's career, Cena being the one in 21-1 is more important. Ending the streak gives John Cena that career defining moment. He would accomplish what no other man has. This is the face of the WWE vs the Deadman in his backyard. It's a huge match up for the 30th anniversary and is the most likely match to happen from the ones which would be enormous for Cena.

While a strong main event for WrestleMania XXX is important, a career defining moment is extremely important for John Cena's legacy. If somebody asked for the center-piece of Hulk Hogan's career, you'll point at WrestleMania III. In a few years time we should be able to say if you want John Cena's career highlight, watch WrestleMania 30.

The point is, all the matches you've mentioned should have been career defining wins for Cena, the reason they don't resonate is because WWE have steadfastly refused to change up his character in the process.

Now, turn the clock back to 2005/2006 (hell, even as late as 2008 would've probably worked) & a babyface win over a heel Rock would've absolutely put Cena over, big time. Not in 2012 though. And that's precisely why he didn't win. Their feud was about portraying them as equals & making VKM a lot of money. It was never really about putting Cena over. If it was, he'd have beaten the rock at WM28 & turned heel in the process.

It doesn't matter how many HOFer’s you have Cena steamroller over, because unless you turn him heel in the process, he's not going to get anymore over than he is right now. Cena will get no bigger as a face. He's literally done it all. Beating The Rock at WM29 was literally the pinnacle of good guy Cena. Him beating The Undertaker at WM won't help him get over unless he's turning heel.

I'll keep saying this until I lose my voice, the only 'career defining' moment left for Cena is a heel turn.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Rock VS Cena is a hard act to follow. So hard for the WWE that they just went for a rematch last year. I think I am not alone and this thread may speak to the fact that it is hard to see the appeal for another WM when there is unlikely any topping what we were given in Rock VS Cena. WWE hasn't built up another guy on their current roster for casuals to get excited about. Say what you want about DB but put him on a poster (do they still make posters?) and a significant portion of the folks who bought WM over the last two years will pay no mind.

So what is the answer? I think it is Cena VS Brock for the title. It allows everyone to maintain their roles. Brock is a big name in many circles. It probably doesn't do better than WM28 and maybe not even 29 but I think it saves WWE from the precipitice drop that would occur with DB or Batista in the main event or Cena VS Orton.

Then again if SCSA or HBK came back we could see WM30 as the "biggest event of all time" that some claim it is supposed to be.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I was referring to the possibility of a John Cena Heel turn after the Streak match(if it happened).
Right now, it is clear Cena is hated on more and more, and it is because he was booked as a "Superman" of sorts.

He isn't hated more and more, if anything, the boos are quietening down. He draws much more than anyone else, that would show he's the most popular i.e most favored.

Indeed for the past year or so, he has lost cleanly,more notably to Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton.

There's just no pleasing foolish fans.

However, he also won the Royal Rumble and won the WWE title at Wrestlemania, also he came back from injury(the main reason he put over Daniel Bryan,lMO) and won the WHC. So he was still booked very strongly whichever way you look at it.

Again, biggest draw. That's what makes the money, why does the opinion of a few fans on the internet matter?

Shawn Michaels nor Undertaker were getting like Cena has been at the times of their match. When Taker was booed, it was accepted as a spur of the moment rather than something many expected to last for a long time. Both HBK and Taker are beloved superstars of the Majority, and the key aspect is that you will not find many true haters of them either.
Again, Hulk Hogan is an eternal legend of wrestling. The ovation and cheers he got when he was inducted into the WWE HOF are testament to that, and regardless of how many view his ego today, I am sure if makes an appearance at WM, he will be come out to a Huge Pop. The Rock was also well loved at that time, again I will say that John Cena at this point is a polarising figure, nothing like the Rock,Hulk Hogan or HBK and Taker were at the time of their matches. Put Cena with someone who is over with the crowd and he will be booed as much as he is cheered.

These superstars are from eras before. There were even people who booed Hogan, there just weren't that many of those kind of fans and kayfabe was more existent. Nowadays faces can booed and heels can get cheered. If Hogan and Austin were in today's era, there's a chance they also would have been booed by a few. To be fair, most fans boo John Cena because it's "cool." Sometimes there are people in John Cena outfits booing Cena. Either way, a lot of money is invested into him. Several people pay to see him, adults and children. A small portion of fans boo him and say he only has 5 moves, but that's it. Hogan was booked very similarly and was also the World Champion on several occasions, for months and months.

For example, when he announced he was injured post-Summerslam, do you remember how people in that arena cheered? It was ridiculous how happy they were that a Babyface legend was going to miss time due to injury.

John Cena stated that the crowd after Summerslam on RAW was a "tough one." You get some crowds like that. Lou Thesz used to be a national draw but in the Northeast, it was all on Sammartino. New York was a tough crowd for Thesz. Remember how the fans in New Jersey booed the Make-A-Wish foundation video? Some fans have no reason to boo and don't think at all.

The point you seem to have missed is my main point, that is that currently John Cena is a polarising figure in the Wrestling World. He does get cheers, that much is a surety, but personally, I want that when he hangs up his boots and is inducted into the WWE HOF, he is inducted to a chorus of Cheers and Respect from the crowd. Him beating the streak at this time, I feel will impact negatively on his legacy overall in terms of popularity, just my opinion and the way I see things at this time.

If you want The Streak to continue to exist, then that's your opinion. But if a match with Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin isn't possible, then John Cena should face and beat the Undertaker. I have two questions for you:

What is the highlight of John Cena's career?
Why would people boo somebody because of their accomplishment?

The point is, all the matches you've mentioned should have been career defining wins for Cena, the reason they don't resonate is because WWE have steadfastly refused to change up his character in the process.

His character is a big part of the money he makes. The leader of the Cenation makes more than the leader of the Chaingang did. Why would it change and how does it help him get over?

Now, turn the clock back to 2005/2006 (hell, even as late as 2008 would've probably worked) & a babyface win over a heel Rock would've absolutely put Cena over, big time. Not in 2012 though. And that's precisely why he didn't win. Their feud was about portraying them as equals & making VKM a lot of money. It was never really about putting Cena over. If it was, he'd have beaten the rock at WM28 & turned heel in the process.

John Cena is in his prime now. He wasn't in his prime in 2006 or 2008. Beating The Rock in 2012 would have certainly cemented his place and given us his defining moment. Even if they wanted to make a profitable match, what difference would the outcome have made on the money? Both men are massively over, so how does the winner/loser affect the money? It's not as if people bought the PPV knowing The Rock was going to win.

It doesn't matter how many HOFer’s you have Cena steamroller over, because unless you turn him heel in the process, he's not going to get anymore over than he is right now. Cena will get no bigger as a face. He's literally done it all. Beating The Rock at WM29 was literally the pinnacle of good guy Cena. Him beating The Undertaker at WM won't help him get over unless he's turning heel.

I'm not talking about getting him more over than he already is, but about him having that career defining moment. I've said that.

I'll keep saying this until I lose my voice, the only 'career defining' moment left for Cena is a heel turn.

That would be a huge shock but heels aren't as big as faces. Hollywood Hogan didn't draw as much as Hulk Hogan. It would shock and is a moment in Cena's career, but not on the level which would define his career. He's a huge babyface and is known as the top good guy, in which way does a heel turn define his career? Is Hogan's heel turn known more than his body-slam at WrestleMania III? No siree.

 

[JGlass]

Compared to most talent on his level, Cena has never really had that career defining moment. Sure he's beaten Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Great Khali, Randy Orton, Batista and The Rock, but have any of them really defined his career? Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant who was known worldwide, The Rock beat Hogan, Bruno Sammartino held the WWE Championship for over 4000 days and Steve Austin lead the most popular era in Wrestling. Does anybody count Cena's win over The Rock as a huge victory? It was the original match at WrestleMania 28 which everybody cared about and his win over The Rock last year didn't really feel like a big win the WWE would have liked it to be, which is exactly why I would have had him beat The Rock originally. How did The Rock benefit from the win?

Most of the things you named aren't even career defining moments. Everyone knew that The Rock was a legend before he beat Hogan. Stone Cold being the top guy in the Attitude Era and Bruno Sammartino holding the belt for so long aren't moments, they're accomplishments. Hogan slamming Andre qualifies as a career defining moment, but I'm sure there are people who would argue against that as well.

If you're going to count Stone Cold reigning over the Attitude Era as a moment, then Cena's "moment" would be that he's the longest reigning top guy in the modern era. Cena has been on top roughly since 2005, and nearly a decade later he's still on top and he's got plenty of years left in him. Cena could arguably be the top guy in the company for 12-14 years before someone finally overtakes him in popularity. Even Stone Cold only spent about 6 or 7 years on top.

As for what Cena can do at WrestleMania... I don't know. If the WWE truly wants this to be a "Once in a lifetime" match for their top guy, then I don't think there's any other option besides Undertaker. If the WWE wants to get the maximum amount of good matches, then the WWE would be wise to set Cena up with Punk or Daniel Bryan for the now Unified Titles, but I reckon the WWE is going to want to have a match for Cena that will be historic even before the opening bell rings. That means Cena will finally get his Mania match against Undertaker, or he'll be involved with Hulk Hogan in some way.

 

[L@RISANO]

He isn't hated more and more, if anything, the boos are quietening down. He draws much more than anyone else, that would show he's the most popular i.e most favored.

The boos have quieted down more because he is in a programme with Orton more than anything. Even after he came back from injury, he was being booed quite a bit.

There's just no pleasing foolish fans.

LOL.

Again, biggest draw. That's what makes the money, why does the opinion of a few fans on the internet matter?

If the boos weren't so apparent on TV as well, then the money argument would hold easily. However, a casual fan would be hesitant to support Cena if they are interested in watching WWE. It is not a few fans either,lMO. The haters keep growing every year.

These superstars are from eras before. There were even people who booed Hogan, there just weren't that many of those kind of fans and kayfabe was more existent. Nowadays faces can booed and heels can get cheered. If Hogan and Austin were in today's era, there's a chance they also would have been booed by a few. To be fair, most fans boo John Cena because it's "cool." Sometimes there are people in John Cena outfits booing Cena. Either way, a lot of money is invested into him. Several people pay to see him, adults and children. A small portion of fans boo him and say he only has 5 moves, but that's it. Hogan was booked very similarly and was also the World Champion on several occasions, for months and months.

I agree the landscape has changed quite a bit. However, that doesn't change what happened at that time and the fact that those guys are still fondly welcomed today. And it isn't a small portion booing Cena, it is almost 50-50 in boos and cheers everytime he goes against someone with a bit of popularity.

John Cena stated that the crowd after Summerslam on RAW was a "tough one." You get some crowds like that. Lou Thesz used to be a national draw but in the Northeast, it was all on Sammartino. New York was a tough crowd for Thesz. Remember how the fans in New Jersey booed the Make-A-Wish foundation video? Some fans have no reason to boo and don't think at all.

Indeed, that crowd was sour,regrettably. However, it doesn't change the fact that he is polarising. Indeed, he generates merchandise, but being booed at Live Shows to the extent he has isn't a good thing is it?

If you want The Streak to continue to exist, then that's your opinion. But if a match with Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin isn't possible, then John Cena should face and beat the Undertaker. I have two questions for you:

What is the highlight of John Cena's career?
Why would people boo somebody because of their accomplishment?

I don't support the idea of him ending the streak; because if, for instance, HBK had ended the streak at WM26, the fans would have accepted that,even though HBK didn't need to end it to gain a highlight. John Cena ending it is a different case altogether, I will admit and agree however, that he IS the Most likely to end it based on how he is portrayed, I just don't agree with your assertion that it will be Career Highlight fondly looked upon due to him being a clear polarising figure at this point, something HE has admitted to live crowds on a number of shows already. Agree to disagree,shall we?

As for John Cena's Highlight...Being a Face of the Company for a decade, will eventually end up winning more World titles than Ric Flair, making him the Most Decorated Superstar in the History of WWE...That is a Huge Highlight,lMO...

 

[Cereal Killer]

Most of the things you named aren't even career defining moments.

"Moment" was probably the wrong word. We'll go with main career highlight or career centre piece.

Everyone knew that The Rock was a legend before he beat Hogan. Stone Cold being the top guy in the Attitude Era and Bruno Sammartino holding the belt for so long aren't moments, they're accomplishments.

You're right, The Rock was a legend before his match at Wrestlemania 18, but his face off and match are still memorable and his "career highlight."

If you're going to count Stone Cold reigning over the Attitude Era as a moment, then Cena's "moment" would be that he's the longest reigning top guy in the modern era.

While the WWE is in its best position financially, it was extremely popular in the Attitude Era. Stone Cold will always be known for revolutionizing the industry at that time. He broke several records and was arguably the man that ended WCW's 84 weeks of dominance. Austin had a wrestling career long before 1998 and for a small amount of time after 2001. He is strongly remembered for his time in WWE from 1998-2001. That's his career centre piece.

The boos have quieted down more because he is in a programme with Orton more than anything. Even after he came back from injury, he was being booed quite a bit.

No he wasn't. When Vickie announced Alberto Del Rio will face John Cena in his return match, the crowd cheered. The only times he has been booed are when he faces/faced a star from the past like The Rock or Triple H (WrestleMania 23) or a hot superstar, like CM Punk in 2011 or Daniel Bryan at last years Summerslam.

If the boos weren't so apparent on TV as well, then the money argument would hold easily. However, a casual fan would be hesitant to support Cena if they are interested in watching WWE. It is not a few fans either,lMO. The haters keep growing every year.

Why would a casual fan boo him? If anything, a casual fan would cheer the man who's booked as the top and clearly has the most talent and charisma.

I agree the landscape has changed quite a bit. However, that doesn't change what happened at that time and the fact that those guys are still fondly welcomed today. And it isn't a small portion booing Cena, it is almost 50-50 in boos and cheers everytime he goes against someone with a bit of popularity.

The cheers and boos aren't 50/50. You can hear the boos no doubt, but the cheers are certainly louder.

Indeed, that crowd was sour,regrettably. However, it doesn't change the fact that he is polarising. Indeed, he generates merchandise, but being booed at Live Shows to the extent he has isn't a good thing is it?

This is the thing, he is more liked than hated. If he draws a lot more than everyone else, that would show he's more popular. If CM Punk was liked more, why doesn't he draw as much? That goes back to my statement on Cena "clearly having the most talent." Drawing (not on a piece of paper) in the WWE would reflect on your talent. It would show you're doing something correctly. If CM Punk was the better all-around star, he would draw more. People will pay to see him. Ratings would be higher when his promos are on the air. His merchandise sales would be higher. The same with Bryan, Triple H and Shawn Michaels. The only people from the modern era that have actually drawn more than John Cena are The Rock, Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan.

I don't support the idea of him ending the streak; because if, for instance, HBK had ended the streak at WM26, the fans would have accepted that,even though HBK didn't need to end it to gain a highlight. John Cena ending it is a different case altogether, I will admit and agree however, that he IS the Most likely to end it based on how he is portrayed, I just don't agree with your assertion that it will be Career Highlight fondly looked upon due to him being a clear polarising figure at this point, something HE has admitted to live crowds on a number of shows already. Agree to disagree,shall we?

Shawn Michaels already had the career highlight before his match with The Undertaker. His match at WrestleMania 12. How many times have you heard Vince McMahon claim "The boyhood dream, has come true" in a WWE rewind video? That would be HBK's which is why he didn't have to end the streak. Achieving his goal in a well built feud, pinning the top star and an having a great match all added up to his career highlight.

As for John Cena's Highlight...Being a Face of the Company for a decade, will eventually end up winning more World titles than Ric Flair, making him the Most Decorated Superstar in the History of WWE...That is a Huge Highlight,lMO...

If he doesn't end the streak, I suppose he could become 17 times World Champion but to make that memorable, he would need a really good opponent and the match would have to be an epic. That's where my comment about Hogan or Austin being his opponent comes in to play. Let's say he beat Randy Orton to become 17 time champion, would anyone consider that a huge win to represent the most decorated superstar? Also, I don't know why you're talking about him beating Flair's record. Those who would complain about John Cena beating Ric Flair's record are the same people that would complain about Cena ending the Undertaker's streak. Anti-Cena fans if you will. There aren't even many of these kinds of fans, the ones that say "PG sucks, bring Attitude back!" when it's the PG product which has gained them sponsors or "Paul Heyman is the best booker of all time" when he run ECW out of the business. If there was a strong presence of them, the WWE's programming wouldn't be PG and Cena wouldn't be at the top.

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

However, just imagine how pissed off people would be if Cena ended the streak. And yes, a lot of people would be pissed.

You can call me a jaded mark if you want...but that would be the last second of WWE programming I'd ever watch unless it turned Cena completely heel and set the next 2-3 years in motion (which I wouldn't even want to see because John Cena is a hero outside of the ring with his Make-A-Wish prowess and whatnot)

 

[L@RISANO]

No he wasn't. When Vickie announced Alberto Del Rio will face John Cena in his return match, the crowd cheered. The only times he has been booed are when he faces/faced a star from the past like The Rock or Triple H (WrestleMania 23) or a hot superstar, like CM Punk in 2011 or Daniel Bryan at last years Summerslam.

Fair enough. However, Del Rio is accused of being the most stale and boring superstar on the roster by the entire IWC. Hard to see anyone booing Cena in such a situation.

Why would a casual fan boo him? If anything, a casual fan would cheer the man who's booked as the top and clearly has the most talent and charisma.

I am talking about a newbie to WWE programming, who starts watching and sees that the Top guy and supposed to be favourite being booed by a large number of the crowd. Hence, they would question supporting in such cases.

The cheers and boos aren't 50/50. You can hear the boos no doubt, but the cheers are certainly louder.

It might not be definite 50-50, but it is very close. The boos for Cena have been loud and clear, and that has been shocking to me, someone who switched off of watching and following closely for the past few years. The John Cena I used to support was a Superstar loved by Most,if not ALL of the fans in every arena. Now, he is polarising whichever way it is put. Still the top guy, and it shows in the amount of great matches he puts on and his great promo work, but make no mistake, this John Cena splits opinion down the middle and not only on the Internet,lMO.

This is the thing, he is more liked than hated. If he draws a lot more than everyone else, that would show he's more popular. If CM Punk was liked more, why doesn't he draw as much? That goes back to my statement on Cena "clearly having the most talent." Drawing (not on a piece of paper) in the WWE would reflect on your talent. It would show you're doing something correctly. If CM Punk was the better all-around star, he would draw more. People will pay to see him. Ratings would be higher when his promos are on the air. His merchandise sales would be higher. The same with Bryan, Triple H and Shawn Michaels. The only people from the modern era that have actually drawn more than John Cena are The Rock, Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan.

Won't argue with that. Pretty much true on most counts. I do rate Cena up their as Edge on a "Count on One Hand list", sadly, day by day, the more stale his character becomes, in the eyes of more and more fans, he will unfairly be placed outside of that group or at the bottom due to the hate(for his character,not his work) for him. Can't see him getting the same HOF reaction as those 3 mentioned nor even a few others who are clearly below him in what they did overall as superstars. That is sad and due to letting him become so stale.

Shawn Michaels already had the career highlight before his match with The Undertaker. His match at WrestleMania 12. How many times have you heard Vince McMahon claim "The boyhood dream, has come true" in a WWE rewind video? That would be HBK's which is why he didn't have to end the streak. Achieving his goal in a well built feud, pinning the top star and an having a great match all added up to his career highlight.

I did say that HBK didn't need it for a highlight,didn't I. You missed my point, in that I said, had HBK ended the streak at WM26, people might have booed HBK for a bit like they did Taker, and then the Show would go on with him as fan favourite. However, if Cena does the same today, it would hurt his legacy as a fan favourite because so many are already hating on him due to his character being stale and the hate is increasing more and more,lMO. A feud with Orton(equally as stale, and called boring by quite a few, although like I do Cena, I respect Randy Orton's status in the company) can't hide that.

If he doesn't end the streak, I suppose he could become 17 times World Champion but to make that memorable, he would need a really good opponent and the match would have to be an epic. That's where my comment about Hogan or Austin being his opponent comes in to play. Let's say he beat Randy Orton to become 17 time champion, would anyone consider that a huge win to represent the most decorated superstar? Also, I don't know why you're talking about him beating Flair's record. Those who would complain about John Cena beating Ric Flair's record are the same people that would complain about Cena ending the Undertaker's streak. Anti-Cena fans if you will. There aren't even many of these kinds of fans, the ones that say "PG sucks, bring Attitude back!" when it's the PG product which has gained them sponsors or "Paul Heyman is the best booker of all time" when he run ECW out of the business. If there was a strong presence of them, the WWE's programming wouldn't be PG and Cena wouldn't be at the top.

I am sure if John Cena were to be on the cusp of becoming the Most Decorated World Champion in the History of the WWE, a Big Deal would be made out of it and a suitable opponent would be found for him in such a case. And no, it most certainly won't be Randy Orton, and I gather they would keep such a moment for Wrestlemania(whichever one) itself.
Again, I do know that haters wouldn't like him beating Flair's record, but it is a record that is clearly going to be taken by Cena eventually. He is close to it, and is a Main Eventer in the WWE at almost all times during the year. With One Main title,it might take a bit longer than before, but he will eventually get it. That will be his Big Accomplishment,lMO, when all is said and done. Breaking the Streak won't be needed in such a case for his career highlight either. Actually, the Undertaker's highlight is going to be the One WWE Superstar to have never lost at Wrestlemania. 22-0,23-0,24-0...sounds better for someone than having a 1 in the Loss column doesn't it?

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I'm not worried about the fan's reaction, if (and that's a BIG if) Cena defeats The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Cena survived the revolt of smarky crowds during feuds with Edge, Randy Orton, The Rock, and Brock Lesnar. He will survive the heat from a win over Undertaker at Mania. Yeah, I'm sure the fans will boo the shit out of him on Raw the night after if happens, but that's nothing new. Cena will stay true to his character, and you will hear the "Let's go Cena!" chants and cheers.

As far as an opponent goes, it's a toss up between Brock and Taker. You can't have Cena VS Orton part 3 at Wrestlemania, Daniel Bryan is wrapped in a storyline with The Wyatt Family, and CM Punk is busy with The Shield and Triple H. With Brock, WWE can build a feud, where Brock is determined to avenge his fluke loss to Cena at Extreme Rules 2012, and Cena VS Taker is a legit dream match.

 

[Marshyishere]

I'm not worried about the fan's reaction, if (and that's a BIG if) Cena defeats The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Cena survived the revolt of smarky crowds during feuds with Edge, Randy Orton, The Rock, and Brock Lesnar. He will survive the heat from a win over Undertaker at Mania. Yeah, I'm sure the fans will boo the shit out of him on Raw the night after if happens, but that's nothing new. Cena will stay true to his character, and you will hear the "Let's go Cena!" chants and cheers.

If this match were to happen and Cena was to win, it would be quite easy to turn the boos into cheers by getting Cena to pick a broken Undertaker up and help him out of the arena.

Next night on Raw, have a big retirement ceremony for the Undertaker. Bring a huge amount of stars back to celebrate his accomplishments and have Undertaker shake hands with Cena in the middle of the ring. Problemo fixed.

 

[steven87gill]

I'm not worried about the fan's reaction, if (and that's a BIG if) Cena defeats The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Cena survived the revolt of smarky crowds during feuds with Edge, Randy Orton, The Rock, and Brock Lesnar. He will survive the heat from a win over Undertaker at Mania. Yeah, I'm sure the fans will boo the shit out of him on Raw the night after if happens, but that's nothing new. Cena will stay true to his character, and you will hear the "Let's go Cena!" chants and cheers.

You're absolutely right.

After all is said and done, everything will be back to normal, John Cena won't be worth any more money if he wins, he will get exactly the same reactions from the crowd that he's been getting since 2008, & by Wrestlemania 31, it'll be like the whole thing never happened.

Therefore, him ending the streak is pointless.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I am talking about a newbie to WWE programming, who starts watching and sees that the Top guy and supposed to be favourite being booed by a large number of the crowd. Hence, they would question supporting in such cases.

Won't argue with that. Pretty much true on most counts. I do rate Cena up their as Edge on a "Count on One Hand list", sadly, day by day, the more stale his character becomes, in the eyes of more and more fans, he will unfairly be placed outside of that group or at the bottom due to the hate(for his character,not his work) for him. Can't see him getting the same HOF reaction as those 3 mentioned nor even a few others who are clearly below him in what they did overall as superstars. That is sad and due to letting him become so stale.

That's rubbish. If a new viewer saw a man on TV winning all the matches and having a great marketable look, I'm sure they would cheer for him. Most casual fans like him and that could be a small yet present contributing factor.

Please show proof Cena is becoming "stale" or that his crowd reaction is "50/50." Watch this (skip to the 13:20 mark):

[YOUTUBE]/watch?v=M5lElvHZmfg[/YOUTUBE]

The cheers are clearly louder than the boos. Also, if someone's a bigger draw than the rest, that would show they're more popular. Let's just say Cena is being booed and cheered and it's split down the line, while CM Punk is cheered by literally everybody in the arena. With your logic that would show CM Punk is the bigger star or the more popular star. If that's so, why isn't Punk the bigger draw? Do people pay to see Cena lose? Are the quarter-hour ratings higher when he speaks so the people at home can throw trash at the TV? Are merchandise sales high because people want to burn his clothes? That doesn't make sense to me. He isn't becoming stale at all. If he is, I'd like to hear your personal opinion on Punk. If you say he isn't stale and you use the crowd to back it up which is fine, why would you say Cena is stale if he is clearly the most popular superstar of the WWE?

 

[L@RISANO]

That's rubbish. If a new viewer saw a man on TV winning all the matches and having a great marketable look, I'm sure they would cheer for him. Most casual fans like him and that could be a small yet present contributing factor.

Please show proof Cena is becoming "stale" or that his crowd reaction is "50/50." Watch this (skip to the 13:20 mark):

[YOUTUBE]/watch?v=M5lElvHZmfg[/YOUTUBE]

The cheers are clearly louder than the boos. Also, if someone's a bigger draw than the rest, that would show they're more popular. Let's just say Cena is being booed and cheered and it's split down the line, while CM Punk is cheered by literally everybody in the arena. With your logic that would show CM Punk is the bigger star or the more popular star. If that's so, why isn't Punk the bigger draw? Do people pay to see Cena lose? Are the quarter-hour ratings higher when he speaks so the people at home can throw trash at the TV? Are merchandise sales high because people want to burn his clothes? That doesn't make sense to me. He isn't becoming stale at all. If he is, I'd like to hear your personal opinion on Punk. If you say he isn't stale and you use the crowd to back it up which is fine, why would you say Cena is stale if he is clearly the most popular superstar of the WWE?

When I say Stale and is booed. Of course, I don't mean in every arena he will be booed like he was Post-Summerslam. In the past couple of years, there have been instances where he has booed the way that an Alberto Del Rio/Randy Orton should aspire to.
EG;
[YOUTUBE]watch?v=-I19hB66UhY[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]watch?v=72IR_fA0z7c[/YOUTUBE]

He is even talking about getting booed in his hometown. Obviously it was a porgramme with the Rock. However, wouldn't it be the same in a programme with someone as huge and well-respected as the Undertaker?
The fact that Post-injury and after being Booed out of the building on the RAW post-SummerSlam, he has been on programmes with Alberto Del Rio(Very Stale and gets almost Zero reaction everytime I have seen him) and Randy Orton(Who has gotten quite a few "this is boring" chants during his matches).

John Cena is still hugely popular outside of WWE. However, I still do not see beating the Streak being of any benefit to his standing and popularity when it is all said and done. So far, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold have gone into the WWE Hall of Fame to Huge,Huge pops from the fans. the Rock also gets universally Huge pops as well and I expect he will be greeted with the same kind of cheers as the two mentioned before.
My point stands about John Cena and ending the Streak; I don't mind the match at all. It would be eagerly anticipated, but him ending it, I don't agree with at all. I don't see how it will resonate favourably for him and his legacy.
At the end of it all, I may be wrong and you may be right or vice versa...but my point still stands that John Cena is polarising, any fan who follows WWE closely could tell you that.

 

[Cereal Killer]

When I say Stale and is booed. Of course, I don't mean in every arena he will be booed like he was Post-Summerslam. In the past couple of years, there have been instances where he has booed the way that an Alberto Del Rio/Randy Orton should aspire to.
EG;
[YOUTUBE]watch?v=-I19hB66UhY[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]watch?v=72IR_fA0z7c[/YOUTUBE]

He is even talking about getting booed in his hometown. Obviously it was a porgramme with the Rock. However, wouldn't it be the same in a programme with someone as huge and well-respected as the Undertaker?
The fact that Post-injury and after being Booed out of the building on the RAW post-SummerSlam, he has been on programmes with Alberto Del Rio(Very Stale and gets almost Zero reaction everytime I have seen him) and Randy Orton(Who has gotten quite a few "this is boring" chants during his matches).

John Cena is still hugely popular outside of WWE. However, I still do not see beating the Streak being of any benefit to his standing and popularity when it is all said and done. So far, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold have gone into the WWE Hall of Fame to Huge,Huge pops from the fans. the Rock also gets universally Huge pops as well and I expect he will be greeted with the same kind of cheers as the two mentioned before.
My point stands about John Cena and ending the Streak; I don't mind the match at all. It would be eagerly anticipated, but him ending it, I don't agree with at all. I don't see how it will resonate favourably for him and his legacy.
At the end of it all, I may be wrong and you may be right or vice versa...but my point still stands that John Cena is polarising, any fan who follows WWE closely could tell you that.

Those videos you put up were during his feud with The Rock. The first one was in The Rock's hometown and they eventually started to cheer him in that promo, similar to how they started to cheer him in his second match against The Rock. In the second one, the "let's go Cena" chants were louder than "Cena sucks." At Wrestlemania 29, the crowd booed Cena in his entrance. Watch this (skip to 25:25):

[YOUTUBE]/watch?v=cetoD3Yd3g0[/YOUTUBE]

The crowd popped loudly. As I said, around the time of his match with The Rock, he was getting booed. Now after beating The Rock at WrestleMania for the WWE Championship, the crowed cheered for John Cena.

Sure there were other times he was booed but only a few. During his feud with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Edge and CM Punk. He was booed heavily at the start of the matches with Triple H and Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania and extremely in his match with Edge, which was in The Rated R Superstar's hometown might I add.

Hulk Hogan had said that if he came to face Cena, he wouldn't have offended Cena's character. He questioned why The Rock would try to turn the fans away from the poster-boy of the company. That's one advantage The Rock had. John Cena vs Undertaker may end up being a typical singles match at 'Mania with a lot of mainstream attention with all them saying to each other (in a nutshell) is "I'm going to be the better man at WrestleMania." If they put each other over during the build-up and match, I'm sure people will slowly cheer for John Cena.

Also, there's no evidence that Cena is polarising which is your main argument. You didn't answer my question either.

If you say CM Punk isn't stale and you use the crowd to back it up which is fine, why would you say Cena is stale if he is clearly the most popular superstar of the WWE?

 

[L@RISANO]

Those videos you put up were during his feud with The Rock. The first one was in The Rock's hometown and they eventually started to cheer him in that promo, similar to how they started to cheer him in his second match against The Rock. In the second one, the "let's go Cena" chants were louder than "Cena sucks." At Wrestlemania 29, the crowd booed Cena in his entrance. Watch this (skip to 25:25):

[YOUTUBE]/watch?v=cetoD3Yd3g0[/YOUTUBE]

The crowd popped loudly. As I said, around the time of his match with The Rock, he was getting booed. Now after beating The Rock at WrestleMania for the WWE Championship, the crowed cheered for John Cena.

Sure there were other times he was booed but only a few. During his feud with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Edge and CM Punk. He was booed heavily at the start of the matches with Triple H and Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania and extremely in his match with Edge, which was in The Rated R Superstar's hometown might I add.

Hulk Hogan had said that if he came to face Cena, he wouldn't have offended Cena's character. He questioned why The Rock would try to turn the fans away from the poster-boy of the company. That's one advantage The Rock had. John Cena vs Undertaker may end up being a typical singles match at 'Mania with a lot of mainstream attention with all them saying to each other (in a nutshell) is "I'm going to be the better man at WrestleMania." If they put each other over during the build-up and match, I'm sure people will slowly cheer for John Cena.

Also, there's no evidence that Cena is polarising which is your main argument. You didn't answer my question either.

John Cena is also booed in his own hometown as I pointed out. How that does not support the theory that he is polarising is beyond me. Needless to say you didn't even refer to that. He has actually been booed multiple times when WWE goes to his hometown, unlike other superstars like Edge,the Rock as you mentioned and currently, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan(Remember the Ascension ceremony?) who get wildly cheered in their hometowns.
In his two recent feuds, the booing has died down, but really, in programmes with Del Rio and Orton, both are stale characters who do not get much reaction, although I have to admit, Orton has stepped up his act since TLC. Cena would be expected to be cheered against such opposition. However, I have seen numerous clips where Cena is booed, and whilst 50-50 might be an exaggeration, there is a clear indication that he is booed audibly by the crowd, whilst others like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are wildly cheered by audiences.
Until and unless, something occurs to make John Cena be cheered by the majority, whilst any booing is not audible... I don't see why he should end the streak as it will only hurt his legacy rather than help it as you are claiming, the fact that he is a Major Face character and still garners audible booing, should be enough explanation for him ending the streak and its hinderance to his legacy.
John Cena's place should be a lock for a Mount Rushmore of WWE including Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock in addition to John Cena himself. I, as a Huge fan of the guy, don't see how, in his current state as a Face Character getting booed everytime he faces anyone marginally over(you admitted it) is a help to his legacy in any way.

 

[lil steroid meat]

If they can't lock in Sting, they will probably put him against Taker on some "ending the streak is the last thing I have to accomplish in this business".

If not, then they could do Cena and Hulk vs. The Real Americans, with the obvious America storyline.

Both of those scenarios are "big" and give Cena something to do.

Personally, if I was booking it, with Bryan obviously getting significantly better reactions than Cena right now, I'd turn Cena heel in both of those scenarios.

Cena faking the handshake, and beating down Taker unsportsmanlike after the match (win or lose).

Cena turning on Hulk Hogan during or after the match vs. Cesaro and Swagger and even have him hit a leg drop on Hogan.

That would definitely make this a big Wrestlemania. Besides, who knows, a bad ass, all black wearing Cena might make him even more popular and it might finally make him a star, relevant, a cultural wave like the Austin 3:16, nWo shirts were.

 

[Cereal Killer]

John Cena is also booed in his own hometown as I pointed out. How that does not support the theory that he is polarising is beyond me. Needless to say you didn't even refer to that. He has actually been booed multiple times when WWE goes to his hometown, unlike other superstars like Edge,the Rock as you mentioned and currently, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan(Remember the Ascension ceremony?) who get wildly cheered in their hometowns.
In his two recent feuds, the booing has died down, but really, in programmes with Del Rio and Orton, both are stale characters who do not get much reaction, although I have to admit, Orton has stepped up his act since TLC. Cena would be expected to be cheered against such opposition. However, I have seen numerous clips where Cena is booed, and whilst 50-50 might be an exaggeration, there is a clear indication that he is booed audibly by the crowd, whilst others like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are wildly cheered by audiences.
Until and unless, something occurs to make John Cena be cheered by the majority, whilst any booing is not audible... I don't see why he should end the streak as it will only hurt his legacy rather than help it as you are claiming, the fact that he is a Major Face character and still garners audible booing, should be enough explanation for him ending the streak and its hinderance to his legacy.
John Cena's place should be a lock for a Mount Rushmore of WWE including Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock in addition to John Cena himself. I, as a Huge fan of the guy, don't see how, in his current state as a Face Character getting booed everytime he faces anyone marginally over(you admitted it) is a help to his legacy in any way.

I'm not going to continue arguing if Cena gets booed or not even though I think the boos aren't very present, but I will argue with you that he is not polarising. You're probably sick of reading this from me; John Cena is the biggest draw. That means he's making money more than anyone else. More than CM Punk, more than Daniel Bryan and more than Randy Orton. That would show he is the most popular superstar in the WWE. The boos you keep on referring to have been apparent since 2006 yet he wasn't getting any worse, he was getting better. Like you said, the boos have quietened down and that would show further he isn't "polarising." He's consistently in main events and is the biggest merchandise seller. PPV buyrates were lower on his hiatus last year as were ratings. He's been in every WrestleMania main event since 2005. In 2006 there was the burst of RVD and Edge. In 2011 there was the outbreak of Punk and in 2013 Bryan was the breakout star. You want to talk about their reactions? Look at Cena's numbers. They are more important. The WWE is all about the money, money is what the company needs to function and the biggest money maker is clearly the best worker. The fact that several want to see Cena more than anyone else currently in the WWE would show us that he's the most talented, hence the biggest draw.

 

[Slbrey]

I think the best possible scenario for Cena would go as follows....

Phase 1 - Cena defeats Orton at Royal Rumble and becomes Champ

Phase 2 - Hulk Hogan is a surprise entrant #30 in the Royal Rumble and end's up winning the whole thing.

Phase 3 - Cena succesfully defends the title at Elimination Chamber against Randy Orton with Hulk Hogan as guest referee.

Phase 4 - Hogan extends his hand to Cena after the match for a shake and Cena pauses for a few seconds looking reluctant as the fans rumble and chant for him to give Hogan a AA...eventually Cena does shake Hogan's hand and that ends the PPV.

Phase 5 - The next night on Raw will showcase in the main event a face to face confrontation between Hogan and Cena....To start off the confrontation Cena heads to the ring and puts over his win at Elimination Chamber then begins to talk about growing up and being a Hulkamaniac and putting Hogan over before asking him to come out to join him in the ring....Out comes Hogan to his normal fan fare dressed in red and yellow as he enters the ring the arena has erupted with "hogan" chants...after a minute or so the crowd calms down and Hogan begins to speak...Hogan begins with putting over his Hulkamaniacs and thanks them for giving him the strength and power at his age to once again be challenging for a world title in the main event at WrestleMania...after putting the fans over some more Hogan finally address's Cena....He says he has a lot of respect for Cena and all his accomplishments and that Cena has all the right tools to become immortal....but that there's one thing that Cena still hasn't accomplished and that's beat a man who is already immortal...and that man is Hulk Hogan...Hogan continues and talks about how Cena is angry at the response Hogan gets from the fans and how the fans are divided when it comes to Cena Hogan talks about how fans have followed him through all these years and motivated him to come back and once again main event at wrestlemania...Cena gets angry and cuts him off....Cena says that he could care less about people's negitive opinions of him he says his focus has been and always will be to be the champion and to entertain the WWE Universe every night...Cena continues to talk about what being a champion means to him and as he locks eyes with Hogan he smirks and asks "when's the last time you were a champion Hulk?"....before Hulk can respond Cena cuts him off again and says the last time Hulk even had a title Cena wasn't even in WWE yet...Cena says when it comes to Hogan it's not about titles or entertaining the fans, when it comes to Hogan it's all about the money...Hogan gets angry and starts ripping off his shirt...he gets on the mic and says "let me tell you something Cena" and just as he says that Brock Lesnar rush's the ring and close lines Hogan knocking him to the ground...Cena lands some offense only to be RKO'd by Randy Orton who entered from the other side of the ring....Lesner picks up Cena and lands a F5 and Orton sets Hogan up for the punt kick and lands it...EMT's rush to the ring to assist Hogan who looks in a bad way after taking the kick as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 6 - The next week on Raw it's announced that the following weeks Raw main event will be Cena and Hogan vs Orton and Lesnar.

Phase 7 - Cena cuts a promo about last weeks Raw saying emotions got the best of both of them and hopes Hogan is healed up and ready to go next week for there big tag match...Orton and Lesnar come out on the stage and vow to injure Hogan so bad next week that he will be unable to make it to wrestlemania as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 8 - During Raw a video is shown of Hogan and Cena getting ready backstage...Hogan is wearing a bandage on his head selling the injury from Randy Orton 2 weeks ago...during the video both Hogan and Cena agree to put all there focus on there tag match tonight.

Phase 9 - Tag Match in the main event...Back and fourth match where the finish see's Cena and Orton go down in the middle of thing ring with a double closeline which triggers Brock and Hogan to enter the ring and start to trade blows...hogan stuns Lesnar on the ropes with his 4 punch combo and close lines him outside the ring...while doing that Paul Heyman (who's at ringside for Brock) throws dust in Hogans eyes while the ref is checking on Orton and Cena...Hogan turns around blinded by the dust and goes for his patented Leg Drop on who we can only assume he thinks is Orton but he actually lands on Cena...once the leg drop lands Orton gets up and RKO's Hogan and pins Cena for the victory...We see Hulk and Cena coming too in the ring with confused looks on there face as Ortons music plays as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 10 - another face to face confrontation with Hogan and Cena this time focusing on last weeks events and Hogan explaining that he did not intentionally cost them the match...eventually Cena shakes Hogans hand and real AMERICAN starts to play as Hogan poses for the fans...Hogan encourages Cena to pose too and he does for a bit and is met with boo's...Cena steps aside and urges Hogan to take front and center again and pose for his fans which he does....when Hogan turns around after poseing Cena picks Hogan up and lands a Atittude Adjustment on Hogan to a huge pop from the crowd...Raw goes off the air with Cena holding the belt over Hogan as he stares seriously into the crowd.

Phase 11 - Cena and Hogan have a final confrontation before WrestleMania this time Hogan has questions for Cena....Cena explains that he simply gave Hogan his receipt for costing them the tag match 2 weeks back...Cena goes off about how he doesent trust Hogan entirely and knows he will do anything to win at Wrestlemania on Sunday...but Cena says no matter how loud the fans chant for Hogan or how ever many times Hogan will hulk up and point his finger....the man he points his finger at is the exact same man who will defeat him to retain the title at wrestlemania....Hogan says "the time for talk is over brother"...hogan says it's put up or shut up time and he will love nothing more then to shut a Cena up once and for all...Cena begins to take his swear bands and shirt off as Hogan tears his shirt off...the entire WWE locker room rush to the ring and break them up as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 12 - WrestleMania 30 Main Event which sees Cena get a clean win over Hogan after a solid back and forth match as the crowd heavily favored Hogan...after the match Hogan and Cena embrace and pose as fireworks go off in the stadium as wrestlemania goes off the air.

Phase 13 - Hogan officially announces his retirement on Raw and is embraced by the entire WWE lockeroom including Cena.


Just my thoughts on what would be a cool storyline for Cena at this years wrestlemania...

I apologise for all the bad grammar and mistakes during that whole run through!

Thank you to anybody who takes the time to read through this whole post!

 

[L@RISANO]

I think the best possible scenario for Cena would go as follows....

Phase 1 - Cena defeats Orton at Royal Rumble and becomes Champ

Phase 2 - Hulk Hogan is a surprise entrant #30 in the Royal Rumble and end's up winning the whole thing.

Phase 3 - Cena succesfully defends the title at Elimination Chamber against Randy Orton with Hulk Hogan as guest referee.

Phase 4 - Hogan extends his hand to Cena after the match for a shake and Cena pauses for a few seconds looking reluctant as the fans rumble and chant for him to give Hogan a AA...eventually Cena does shake Hogan's hand and that ends the PPV.

Phase 5 - The next night on Raw will showcase in the main event a face to face confrontation between Hogan and Cena....To start off the confrontation Cena heads to the ring and puts over his win at Elimination Chamber then begins to talk about growing up and being a Hulkamaniac and putting Hogan over before asking him to come out to join him in the ring....Out comes Hogan to his normal fan fare dressed in red and yellow as he enters the ring the arena has erupted with "hogan" chants...after a minute or so the crowd calms down and Hogan begins to speak...Hogan begins with putting over his Hulkamaniacs and thanks them for giving him the strength and power at his age to once again be challenging for a world title in the main event at WrestleMania...after putting the fans over some more Hogan finally address's Cena....He says he has a lot of respect for Cena and all his accomplishments and that Cena has all the right tools to become immortal....but that there's one thing that Cena still hasn't accomplished and that's beat a man who is already immortal...and that man is Hulk Hogan...Hogan continues and talks about how Cena is angry at the response Hogan gets from the fans and how the fans are divided when it comes to Cena Hogan talks about how fans have followed him through all these years and motivated him to come back and once again main event at wrestlemania...Cena gets angry and cuts him off....Cena says that he could care less about people's negitive opinions of him he says his focus has been and always will be to be the champion and to entertain the WWE Universe every night...Cena continues to talk about what being a champion means to him and as he locks eyes with Hogan he smirks and asks "when's the last time you were a champion Hulk?"....before Hulk can respond Cena cuts him off again and says the last time Hulk even had a title Cena wasn't even in WWE yet...Cena says when it comes to Hogan it's not about titles or entertaining the fans, when it comes to Hogan it's all about the money...Hogan gets angry and starts ripping off his shirt...he gets on the mic and says "let me tell you something Cena" and just as he says that Brock Lesnar rush's the ring and close lines Hogan knocking him to the ground...Cena lands some offense only to be RKO'd by Randy Orton who entered from the other side of the ring....Lesner picks up Cena and lands a F5 and Orton sets Hogan up for the punt kick and lands it...EMT's rush to the ring to assist Hogan who looks in a bad way after taking the kick as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 6 - The next week on Raw it's announced that the following weeks Raw main event will be Cena and Hogan vs Orton and Lesnar.

Phase 7 - Cena cuts a promo about last weeks Raw saying emotions got the best of both of them and hopes Hogan is healed up and ready to go next week for there big tag match...Orton and Lesnar come out on the stage and vow to injure Hogan so bad next week that he will be unable to make it to wrestlemania as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 8 - During Raw a video is shown of Hogan and Cena getting ready backstage...Hogan is wearing a bandage on his head selling the injury from Randy Orton 2 weeks ago...during the video both Hogan and Cena agree to put all there focus on there tag match tonight.

Phase 9 - Tag Match in the main event...Back and fourth match where the finish see's Cena and Orton go down in the middle of thing ring with a double closeline which triggers Brock and Hogan to enter the ring and start to trade blows...hogan stuns Lesnar on the ropes with his 4 punch combo and close lines him outside the ring...while doing that Paul Heyman (who's at ringside for Brock) throws dust in Hogans eyes while the ref is checking on Orton and Cena...Hogan turns around blinded by the dust and goes for his patented Leg Drop on who we can only assume he thinks is Orton but he actually lands on Cena...once the leg drop lands Orton gets up and RKO's Hogan and pins Cena for the victory...We see Hulk and Cena coming too in the ring with confused looks on there face as Ortons music plays as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 10 - another face to face confrontation with Hogan and Cena this time focusing on last weeks events and Hogan explaining that he did not intentionally cost them the match...eventually Cena shakes Hogans hand and real AMERICAN starts to play as Hogan poses for the fans...Hogan encourages Cena to pose too and he does for a bit and is met with boo's...Cena steps aside and urges Hogan to take front and center again and pose for his fans which he does....when Hogan turns around after poseing Cena picks Hogan up and lands a Atittude Adjustment on Hogan to a huge pop from the crowd...Raw goes off the air with Cena holding the belt over Hogan as he stares seriously into the crowd.

Phase 11 - Cena and Hogan have a final confrontation before WrestleMania this time Hogan has questions for Cena....Cena explains that he simply gave Hogan his receipt for costing them the tag match 2 weeks back...Cena goes off about how he doesent trust Hogan entirely and knows he will do anything to win at Wrestlemania on Sunday...but Cena says no matter how loud the fans chant for Hogan or how ever many times Hogan will hulk up and point his finger....the man he points his finger at is the exact same man who will defeat him to retain the title at wrestlemania....Hogan says "the time for talk is over brother"...hogan says it's put up or shut up time and he will love nothing more then to shut a Cena up once and for all...Cena begins to take his swear bands and shirt off as Hogan tears his shirt off...the entire WWE locker room rush to the ring and break them up as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 12 - WrestleMania 30 Main Event which sees Cena get a clean win over Hogan after a solid back and forth match as the crowd heavily favored Hogan...after the match Hogan and Cena embrace and pose as fireworks go off in the stadium as wrestlemania goes off the air.

Phase 13 - Hogan officially announces his retirement on Raw and is embraced by the entire WWE lockeroom including Cena.


Just my thoughts on what would be a cool storyline for Cena at this years wrestlemania...

I apologise for all the bad grammar and mistakes during that whole run through!

Thank you to anybody who takes the time to read through this whole post!

If Only Hulk Hogan could still GO in the ring! If Only!
This would be the perfect programme for John Cena and one that a majority would definitely be interested in...

If for instance, however, Cena is placed into another feud, maybe the Main Event with Brock or Batista for instance, and Daniel Bryan and the Wyatt family are still going at it, then it would also be great if instead of a programme with Cena, Hulk Hogan helps Daniel Bryan instead. Bryan also has his own version of hulking up and letting the crowd feed him. Imagine Bryan getting beaten by the Wyatts and Hulk Hogan coming to help him out, with the two standing tall at the end of it. That would also be a Great moment. However, from reports of Hogan's physical condition at this point,neither scenario/story is possible. Pity really.Will have to see what is in store with regards to Hulkemania at Wrestlemania 31.

 

[steven87gill]

I think the best possible scenario for Cena would go as follows....

Phase 1 - Cena defeats Orton at Royal Rumble and becomes Champ

Phase 2 - Hulk Hogan is a surprise entrant #30 in the Royal Rumble and end's up winning the whole thing.

Phase 3 - Cena succesfully defends the title at Elimination Chamber against Randy Orton with Hulk Hogan as guest referee.

Phase 4 - Hogan extends his hand to Cena after the match for a shake and Cena pauses for a few seconds looking reluctant as the fans rumble and chant for him to give Hogan a AA...eventually Cena does shake Hogan's hand and that ends the PPV.

Phase 5 - The next night on Raw will showcase in the main event a face to face confrontation between Hogan and Cena....To start off the confrontation Cena heads to the ring and puts over his win at Elimination Chamber then begins to talk about growing up and being a Hulkamaniac and putting Hogan over before asking him to come out to join him in the ring....Out comes Hogan to his normal fan fare dressed in red and yellow as he enters the ring the arena has erupted with "hogan" chants...after a minute or so the crowd calms down and Hogan begins to speak...Hogan begins with putting over his Hulkamaniacs and thanks them for giving him the strength and power at his age to once again be challenging for a world title in the main event at WrestleMania...after putting the fans over some more Hogan finally address's Cena....He says he has a lot of respect for Cena and all his accomplishments and that Cena has all the right tools to become immortal....but that there's one thing that Cena still hasn't accomplished and that's beat a man who is already immortal...and that man is Hulk Hogan...Hogan continues and talks about how Cena is angry at the response Hogan gets from the fans and how the fans are divided when it comes to Cena Hogan talks about how fans have followed him through all these years and motivated him to come back and once again main event at wrestlemania...Cena gets angry and cuts him off....Cena says that he could care less about people's negitive opinions of him he says his focus has been and always will be to be the champion and to entertain the WWE Universe every night...Cena continues to talk about what being a champion means to him and as he locks eyes with Hogan he smirks and asks "when's the last time you were a champion Hulk?"....before Hulk can respond Cena cuts him off again and says the last time Hulk even had a title Cena wasn't even in WWE yet...Cena says when it comes to Hogan it's not about titles or entertaining the fans, when it comes to Hogan it's all about the money...Hogan gets angry and starts ripping off his shirt...he gets on the mic and says "let me tell you something Cena" and just as he says that Brock Lesnar rush's the ring and close lines Hogan knocking him to the ground...Cena lands some offense only to be RKO'd by Randy Orton who entered from the other side of the ring....Lesner picks up Cena and lands a F5 and Orton sets Hogan up for the punt kick and lands it...EMT's rush to the ring to assist Hogan who looks in a bad way after taking the kick as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 6 - The next week on Raw it's announced that the following weeks Raw main event will be Cena and Hogan vs Orton and Lesnar.

Phase 7 - Cena cuts a promo about last weeks Raw saying emotions got the best of both of them and hopes Hogan is healed up and ready to go next week for there big tag match...Orton and Lesnar come out on the stage and vow to injure Hogan so bad next week that he will be unable to make it to wrestlemania as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 8 - During Raw a video is shown of Hogan and Cena getting ready backstage...Hogan is wearing a bandage on his head selling the injury from Randy Orton 2 weeks ago...during the video both Hogan and Cena agree to put all there focus on there tag match tonight.

Phase 9 - Tag Match in the main event...Back and fourth match where the finish see's Cena and Orton go down in the middle of thing ring with a double closeline which triggers Brock and Hogan to enter the ring and start to trade blows...hogan stuns Lesnar on the ropes with his 4 punch combo and close lines him outside the ring...while doing that Paul Heyman (who's at ringside for Brock) throws dust in Hogans eyes while the ref is checking on Orton and Cena...Hogan turns around blinded by the dust and goes for his patented Leg Drop on who we can only assume he thinks is Orton but he actually lands on Cena...once the leg drop lands Orton gets up and RKO's Hogan and pins Cena for the victory...We see Hulk and Cena coming too in the ring with confused looks on there face as Ortons music plays as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 10 - another face to face confrontation with Hogan and Cena this time focusing on last weeks events and Hogan explaining that he did not intentionally cost them the match...eventually Cena shakes Hogans hand and real AMERICAN starts to play as Hogan poses for the fans...Hogan encourages Cena to pose too and he does for a bit and is met with boo's...Cena steps aside and urges Hogan to take front and center again and pose for his fans which he does....when Hogan turns around after poseing Cena picks Hogan up and lands a Atittude Adjustment on Hogan to a huge pop from the crowd...Raw goes off the air with Cena holding the belt over Hogan as he stares seriously into the crowd.

Phase 11 - Cena and Hogan have a final confrontation before WrestleMania this time Hogan has questions for Cena....Cena explains that he simply gave Hogan his receipt for costing them the tag match 2 weeks back...Cena goes off about how he doesent trust Hogan entirely and knows he will do anything to win at Wrestlemania on Sunday...but Cena says no matter how loud the fans chant for Hogan or how ever many times Hogan will hulk up and point his finger....the man he points his finger at is the exact same man who will defeat him to retain the title at wrestlemania....Hogan says "the time for talk is over brother"...hogan says it's put up or shut up time and he will love nothing more then to shut a Cena up once and for all...Cena begins to take his swear bands and shirt off as Hogan tears his shirt off...the entire WWE locker room rush to the ring and break them up as Raw goes off the air.

Phase 12 - WrestleMania 30 Main Event which sees Cena get a clean win over Hogan after a solid back and forth match as the crowd heavily favored Hogan...after the match Hogan and Cena embrace and pose as fireworks go off in the stadium as wrestlemania goes off the air.

Phase 13 - Hogan officially announces his retirement on Raw and is embraced by the entire WWE lockeroom including Cena.


Just my thoughts on what would be a cool storyline for Cena at this years wrestlemania...

I apologise for all the bad grammar and mistakes during that whole run through!

Thank you to anybody who takes the time to read through this whole post!

Great post.

However, It goes without saying i think that Hogan & Cena needn't be for the title.

I was actually with you right till that ending, where everybody is friends again and everything's reset, it feels fake, especially here, where you've had Cena act pretty much like a full on heel for some weeks, to the point where if you tried to turn him back at the end, it'd feel horribly forced. I know his fans are young, but they really aren't as forgetful or naive as some of the more cynical lot on here would like to believe.

And to be honest, I'm generally against any more teasing of heel Cena, either turn him, or don't IMHO.

 

[Slbrey]

Great post.

However, It goes without saying i think that Hogan & Cena needn't be for the title.

I was actually with you right till that ending, where everybody is friends again and everything's reset, it feels fake, especially here, where you've had Cena act pretty much like a full on heel for some weeks, to the point where if you tried to turn him back at the end, it'd feel horribly forced. I know his fans are young, but they really aren't as forgetful or naive as some of the more cynical lot on here would like to believe.

And to be honest, I'm generally against any more teasing of heel Cena, either turn him, or don't IMHO.

I understand where you are coming from but I don't see WWE ever labeling Cena as heel...I think they are happy with him being a babyface with the younger crowd and being a heel in the eyes of the older crowd...as long as he gets the reaction he gets every week good or bad then they will never change what they are doing with him IMO.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I think Cena vs. Undertaker's streak is almost bigger than Cena-Rock. It could be argued that Cena would be the most real threat ever, to end the streak. Here's WWE poster child, the modern era's Hulk Hogan, challenging The Undertaker's legendary undefeated streak. Undertaker would win but I know there would definitely be some doubts in people's mind. They HAVE to do it as 'Taker's days are numbered and this is the perfect Wrestlemania to do it at.

 

[Slbrey]

I think Cena vs. Undertaker's streak is almost bigger than Cena-Rock. It could be argued that Cena would be the most real threat ever, to end the streak. Here's WWE poster child, the modern era's Hulk Hogan, challenging The Undertaker's legendary undefeated streak. Undertaker would win but I know there would definitely be some doubts in people's mind. They HAVE to do it as 'Taker's days are numbered and this is the perfect Wrestlemania to do it at.

If Cena took on Undertaker I don't think Taker would win...I think Cena would end the streak.