Rock/Brock at Mania hurt current superstars

[whoopin' ass]

current rumor is that we will see Rock vs Brock at Mania for the title. it is sure to be a big match but is it going to hurt the current crop of superstars? how things will probably go is Brock will run through superstars and at some point win the title. Like Edge said, the Brock character is all about Brock and not about the fans, etc so he will obviously be a heel champ. when Cena, Punk, etc can't stop Brock, the Rock will return and be the one to end Brock's reign. sounds all good in theory but what does that say about the current superstars when someone like The Rock needs to return to save the day? while it is a good storyline, it is a good storyline 8 years ago when both were active wrestlers and at the top of the heap of superstars. thoughts? do you think a current superstar (Sheamus, Wade Barrett, etc) could be used instead?

 

[Nate DaMac]

At the end of the day, The Rock and Brock Lesnar are bigger stars than anyone in the WWE. Sure, there are some superstars who would surely be quite butthurt if this were to actually happen and I could undertsand where they're coming from. It isn't WWE's responsibility to make sure everybody gets a turn. Their goal is to make money, putting these 2 at the top of the card ensures that they will make a lot of it. If the current stars were better at their jobs, they wouldn't need the part timers.

Besides, Sheamus and Wade Barrett have no business being considered for something like that at this point. If somehow, they're able to make a lot of noise in the next year and become stars, then yeah. It'd be worth considering. For now though, neither are worth the risk.

 

[AwesomeRko]

It's down to the fact that Rock and Brock generate a larger amount of interest and are just generally bigger superstars than anyone on the current roster minus Cena, in Brock's case. At the end of the day Vince is going to want to capitalise on the record-breaking buyrate for mania 28 and he is not going to do that with a main-event reading Lesnar vs Sheamus or even Punk or Orton.

The current crop of superstars still have plenty to do and need to focus on improving themselves and their position to the point where they can be considered as massive main-event draws.

Rock is widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time so for him to succeed where others have failed is by no means a testament to the roster's weakness.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Yeah, what does it mean when somebody like The Rock, one of the greatest Superstars we've ever seen, a former nine-time WWE Champion comes back to beat Brock Lesnar. Because, you know, it isn't at all obvious that The Rock is miles beyond most of the current WWE Superstars, excluding the top ones such as Cena, Punk, Taker and Triple H.

WWE are in the business of making money, drawing peoples attention and bringing in ratings. Dolph Ziggler vs. Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania, won't sell. Christian vs. Brock Lesnar will sell, but not very much. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar will sell all day and all night, case in point being, if Rock vs. Brock could do so well at Summerslam in 2002, move forward to the present and look at where both guys are at. One if a huge box office movie star and is a major reason for the high buyrate of the most recent Wrestlemania. The other is a former UFC Heavyweight Champion; that speaks for itself, it's all I need to say.

It is very unlikely anybody will reach the stature of either man come next April, so therefore, although it may not be great seeing the former legitimate fighter in Brock Lesnar run rampant through the WWE roster, it's what goes towards building him up and what goes towards building the inevitable clash between himself and The Rock, which, no matter where it happens will be big and will make a lot of freakin' money. WWE are a business, they'd be stupid to do anything otherwise.

 

[Aeon Mathix]

As it's been said, no one not named Cena can draw in WWE worth anything. Wrestlemania 27 showed how much faith WWE has in it's current roster. They brought back Rock and put Undertaker vs Triple H on the card because they know guys like The Miz, Del Rio, etc. Can't draw. I can see a little bit about where the WWE superstars in the locker room are coming from (if the reports indicate that they are jealous of guys like Rock and Lesnar), but to say Lesnar and Rock are taking their spots is absurd. What spots? No one in WWE is advancing at any rate to deserve a main event spot at Mania.

I have no problem at all having Rock vs Brock for the WWE title at Wrestlemania 29. It's going to be draw like a motherfucker and going to be a million times more interesting and entertaining than if say someone like Jack Swagger, Miz, Ziggler, Rhodes or whoever was in that spot.

 

[mlp420]

Think like a fan, OP, think like a fan once in a while. As a fan, I could care less about who deserves what. And I think most people would prefer Rock/Brock over anything involving Sheamus and Wade Barrett.

Wrestlemania is serious business. There's millions of dollars to be made. They want to get as big a buyrate as possible

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Why is it Lesnar and Rocks problem that the current bunch of superstars aren't in their league (for the exception of Cena)?

The short answer is it isn't. Rock vs. Brock at WM for the title is a huge marquee matchup that will generate a shit ton of revenue. Not only that its ONE match on the card, how do these guys being in the main event hurt a bunch of guys who probably wouldn't be in the main event anyways?

The way I look at it is this. Lets say Rock vs. Brock brings in 1.6 million buys for example. Without them Westlemania would do probably 1.0-1.1 million buys maybe less. No matter what the real numbers are I can guarantee Rock vs. Brock would bring in more money than any other Main Event they can throw together without using either guy. So if The Rock vs. Brock bring in more viewers then thats more viewers that will see the current crop of guys wrestle in the undercard. If more eyes are watching Wrestlemania because of The Rock and Lesnar how is that gonna do anything but benefit everyone?

Lets use a real life example. In 1996 the nWo was bringing in tons of viewers to watch Nitro. Even though the leader was Hogan (someone past his prime) it brought in more viewers, viewers who for the first time saw the likes of Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro and Rey Mysterio, all who became stars. Each name has main evented Wrestlemania but were able to get people watching them because of the nWo invasion storyline, so when people were tuned in and saw Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guererro, they saw stars and then started becoming invested in those guys, guys who a lot wouldn't have seen without the nWo. If it wasn't for the nWo bringing in that business, all of those names may never have gotten signed by WWE and become huge stars.

If anything thats what Rock vs. Brock brings, more viewers. If those viewers are watching Wrestlemania and they see Ziggler and Bryan put on a wrestling clinic in the second or third match, those extra viewers could become invested in those guys and help them garner more fans. As long as the young talent can deliver in the undercard it can help give them more exposure and set them up as a future star.

 

[newnonameblog]

Yes it hurts the morale, the fans perception of the other members of the roster.
English is not my first language but I wrote a rant on brock and got vilified for it
http://newnonameblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/ranting-on-brock-lesnar-are-your.html

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I personally hope that Brock vs. Rock isn't for the WWE Championship. Let's be totally honest, the title doesn't mean much to either man at this point in time and that's almost certainly not going to change. In my eyes, Brock vs. Rock in just a special attraction match, just as Cena vs. Rock at WM 28, is all you need. Just book the two guys strongly and put a good amount of focus & attention on their feud and things will work out just fine, probably a helluva lot more than that.

Besides that, WWE is waiting to see just how hot Lesnar stays. Unlike The Rock, we're not going to go months at a time in which we see Rock pop up on Raw. That means, Lesnar's heat might start to fizzle out before too long, maybe by the end of the summer, and plans change. While Lesnar is expected, at this time, to be involved in a special attraction match, it's FAR too early to tell whether the WWE Championship will be involved.

In some ways, I do understand the concerns of the OP. However, ultimately, it'll depend upon how they book Lesnar. Let's say, for instance, that Lesnar is booked to just have this super dominant run in which he tears through everyone put in front of him. Along the way, he happens to become WWE Champion and continues to tear through everyone put in front of him. The scenario that I'm most worried about, if this comes ot pass, is that the storyline will be The Rock returning to WWE to slay this beast that nobody has been able to stop. Then at WM, The Rock puts the monster down, becomes WWE Champion and "saves" the WWE from Lesnar's rampage. Lesnar's deal is set to end after WM 29 so Lesnar could potentially leave with a shitload of cash and another dominant WWE run, only for a movie star & former wrestler that, by that time, will have only wrestled 2 matches in the past 8 years to come along and save WWE where the current crop of guys failed. Yeah, simply put, that will make every other wrestler on the WWE roster look downright inferior. It'll make a lot of guys just downright look bad I think. I just pray to God that's not the direction WWE goes.

As far as the concept of the match between the two in and of itself, I've got no problem with it. Like others have said, it's just business. Such a match could potentially help to generate another massive WM ppv buy and lead to even more money for everyone involved, that includes the talents that probably won't be all that excited about it. Some feelings might be hurt and toes stepped on, and I don't bemoan any of the wrestlers for feeling that way. It's 100% natural to feel a little irked by the situation. Daniel Bryan & Sheamus have said that they're not wild about the decision for their WM match and how it came about. At the end of the day, however, they're professionals that did what they were told and came away from WM with a grand payday.

 

[Fugazi]

Rock vs Brock the rematch would be killer, honestly. At mania? sure. If they both go full time for a while leading up to mania and actually participate in matches I could see it going pretty good. It would be a massive match and I would love to see it.

Maybe though, just maybe, not for the title. Have Rock screw Brock out of the title then set up the feud there. This doesn't need to be for the title because really these two guys are above the title. It would also be strange seeing a guy like Lesnar in the elimination chamber, I really can't imagine that he would go for that honestly. I think the match is good but maybe the title shouldn't be involved. Just a grudge match really. Would be cool if the title was involved but really wouldn't Lesnar need to go full time? And i swear if they give the next rumble match to Lesnar I'm gonna shit bricks. Or Rock for that matter.

Honestly this is hard to say. I would love to see the match because of the history and nostalgia value, but on the other hand if they dress it up too much with a title it could get messy and some guys who need a good mania match next year might not even make the card. I'm kind of torn on this topic actually.

 

[WunNightStan619]

Put it this way. If the current roster was doing what its suppose to do there wouldnt even be a need to bring back The Rock or Brock Lesnar. John Cena is the only person on the roster with any kind of real superstar power. if anything, The Rock and Brock coming back should be a good thing because they bring in ratings, which means people who werent watching before, or watching now. its only a matter of whether the rest of the roster is gonna bitch n moan (like theyve been doing) or use it as an opportunity to engage the audience and make ppl give a damn about them

 

[multiverseman.com]

Being upset at the Rock and Brock Lesnar is like being upset that Tom Hanks beat you out for a movie role even though you think you're a perfectly good actor who has worked more than him all year long.

Who gives a fuck how hard you worked if you can't put asses in seats?

 

[dakikko049]

Rock and Brock would be for the ratings, and I don't doubt that it would draw. However I do believe that it does hurt the current roster. I know that Rock is probably better than most of the current roster and Brock Lesnar will probably be booked in a way that makes him look super tough but at the end of the day, after Brock presumably runs through the entire roster, and probably wins the title on the way, and after another mania where the young up and comers aren't being pushed i think its gonna hurt in the long run. Brock signed a one year contract which I can see him staying after and Rock is probably gonna go make another movie, leaving the rest of the roster who nobody will be able to take seriously because they were all mid-carders who job to these part timers. I really don't care for Brock Lesnar atm. Nothing he's done has grabbed my interest but I hope he does put someone over in the end, as well as the Rock instead of these two having a big match.

 

[DeathClutch]

The problem is WWE has to many PPV's and having title matches on each devalues the title, what WWE need to do is have the WWE Championship defend on TV/PPV maybe 4-6x a year in high profile matches, not the standard joe blow vs joe king, Cena/Rock profile type of matches so giving Brock/Rock the belt and have them defend it that many times a year is good business, 1. it'll be a long title run, 2. not a bunch of rhetoric matches, 3. whoever they drop the belt to looks good in dethroning them, but keep this the norm.

 

[whoopin' ass]

Being upset at the Rock and Brock Lesnar is like being upset that Tom Hanks beat you out for a movie role even though you think you're a perfectly good actor who has worked more than him all year long.

Who gives a fuck how hard you worked if you can't put asses in seats?

but isn't that the point? there is no one else big enough to be a challenger to Brock right now. Him and Big Show had a good feud way back when yet now no one would take him seriously as a challenger. from a financial viewpoint, yeah it makes a ton of money but what happens in a year from now when Rock and Brock are gone? on a roster that size, you can not find another guy to wrestle Brock? there is a difference between this and the Rock-Cena match: we have seen Rock and Brock already. yeah, it was a number of years ago already but we saw it where as Cena-Rock was fresh. this could be an opportunity to put a couple people over if they wrestle other people but when all is said and done with this match, it is going to be another Goldberg-Brock match where both guys leave and nothing is gained.

 

[multiverseman.com]

but isn't that the point? there is no one else big enough to be a challenger to Brock right now. Him and Big Show had a good feud way back when yet now no one would take him seriously as a challenger. from a financial viewpoint, yeah it makes a ton of money but what happens in a year from now when Rock and Brock are gone? on a roster that size, you can not find another guy to wrestle Brock? there is a difference between this and the Rock-Cena match: we have seen Rock and Brock already. yeah, it was a number of years ago already but we saw it where as Cena-Rock was fresh. this could be an opportunity to put a couple people over if they wrestle other people but when all is said and done with this match, it is going to be another Goldberg-Brock match where both guys leave and nothing is gained.

my point is that the current generation of stars are weak and no amount of blaming older wrestlers is going to change that. the Rock wrestled Cena because Cena was over. if some of those other whiners were over, they'd be in that spot. it's that simple. sometimes i wish people would stop looking at wrestling as a merit-based institution and more of a results based one. at the end of the day, these are fictional characters losing fake fights to one another. much like any other soap opera, if your character isn't pulling in the ratings, bring back a veteran who can.

 

[newnonameblog]

After someone gave me his POV, My reply on my blog
http://newnonameblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/ranting-on-brock-lesnar-are-your.html?showComment=1335751971426#c2851471534517516364

Someone call te superstars of this generation weak. Oh come on. Brock was good cause he had Heyman behind him. They could have been done the same with Batista, Lashley, Brodus Clay. So maybe the problem is Vince or the writers.

 

[Madeye36]

Yes it would hurt the current roster. Everyone is looking at it as things stand right now. How do you know they won't give Punk the mic again like they did before? If they would've ran with his first "shoot" promo last year he'd rival Rock or Brock, easy. But back in the day, the Rock wasn't the legend he is now. There was a time he was feuding for the IC title. Before he became the huge superstar. Brock's last mania match was terrible. The other guys deserve a chance to be the top star. They are the ones who are there every Monday or Tuesday night & during the week. Not every couple of months.

 

[Madeye36]

Plus, Rock vs.Brock isn't really that good of a matchup. It's not like they are standout scientific wrestlers ala Shawn Michaels Vs.Brett Hart. It's just 2 big names

 

[kastroe]

Although it might be shaping up to be The Rock V Lesnar at Wm Next Year, Why Does he have to take on the Rock, Cena has already said he wont be throwing his hat in to take on the Undertaker at WM Next Year, if Lesnar Draws as big as everyone says then why wouldnt he be given the opportunity to take on the Undertaker to end his streak?? I reckon Undertaker V Lesnar would put just as many asses in seats as what The Rock V Lesnar would, Thoughts!!. that way at least u dont have a situation like they did with Goldberg and Lesnar back in the Day

 

[Nate DaMac]

Although it might be shaping up to be The Rock V Lesnar at Wm Next Year, Why Does he have to take on the Rock, Cena has already said he wont be throwing his hat in to take on the Undertaker at WM Next Year, if Lesnar Draws as big as everyone says then why wouldnt he be given the opportunity to take on the Undertaker to end his streak?? I reckon Undertaker V Lesnar would put just as many asses in seats as what The Rock V Lesnar would, Thoughts!!. that way at least u dont have a situation like they did with Goldberg and Lesnar back in the Day

I actually agree with you. Rock vs. Lesnar is an intriguing idea and I'm sure it would be a good match. But I think that having Rock win the WWE Title at some point and Having Cena challenge him for the title at Mania for a rematch would be better, while Lesnar decides to take a stab at ending the streak. There are only a couple of people left who could believably put the streak at risk. Cena is one, maybe The Rock, but Brock Lesnar is a homerun. I could definitely see Lesnar putting on a great show with Taker.

 

[grantedisme]

I disagree with most of you here. I think Rock vs Brock is a terrible idea for the business outside of the one night that it will draw. Rock, as we've seen, won't be around to build a huge program, and the idea here is that Brock would run across the entire roster destroying everyone. It's poor booking, and it's detrimental to the WWE roster.

Now, the way I've always seen it, no matter how talented a person is on the ring or on the mic, if the booking shows no faith in them or books them to look weak or incompetent (think Dolph and Miz lately), they will not get over with the casual audience. If Rock were booked like the Miz, no amount of talking or witty insults would make him credible with most of the fans. If Hogan, Macho Man, and Sting suddenly joined the WWE and faced only each other while taking up 1/3 of each live show with their speeches and recaps, Austin may not have had the opportunity to give his 3:16 speech.

To say that "if they were better, bringing in old people wouldn't be necessary" sounds like a lazy and bullshit excuse to me. At any point, if recently departed legends show up while still in shape to wrestle, they will take priority over people working their way up the ladder. That's fine if they're being used to elevate or bring attention to rising stars who need a rub (like Foley vs Ambrose), but placing the legends against each other is detrimental to those who actually need such programs.

The booking idea in this particular instance sounds awful to me, if Brock dismantles every competitor and takes the title, and The Rock comes back and is instantly given the shot against Brock, what happens after the match? Everyone who came back to watch one last match won't just suddenly start watching after the reason for their return leaves (both of them). Brock is already "better" than everyone else, and he's gone, and The Rock won't stay long due to a steady career that is better for his body and pays more. The fans are left with a roster full of people who are billed as not being good as the guys who left.

I understand the idea that many of you want to see these guys wrestle, since it's a dream match, but it just seems like a blatantly stupid idea to me, and it kinda blows my mind that so many people support it with seemingly no second thought.

 

[SPR*VLN]

No, if Rock vs Brock II does happen at WMXXIX it would draw a crap load of cash. More money WWE makes the more money the employees make. It will benefit em financially.