Robbie E Is A Few Tweaks Short Of A Great Talent

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It's seems like TNA pushes Robbie and the Jersey Shore by mandate every October to January. This time the man has been in a feud with Eric Young that got him the TNA Television Championship and has gotten a fanbase going a bit lately. In my eyes, it's because the guy has genuine talent hidden under that parody. The man has far better heel mannerisms than guys like Joe, Gunner or even Bobby Roode. People have expressed displeasure about how overused the "arrogant heel" gimmick has been used. But Robbie is a different case in my eyes simply because of how he expresses it. No smug smirks and walking confidant. He basically hops around tooting his horn about how he's a TV Champion (my bro) and how everyone else is a Hamster. He may share characteristics with an overexposed breed but his near delusional attitude makes him draw great heat.

The overselling is a problem though. His in-ring isn't really all that appealing. Mainly it's that. How he wobbles all over the place by just getting slapped. It's fun at first, but as the man progresses as a genuine heel, it doesn't look so well to see him doing his best Magikarp impression. Thoughts on the man they call Robbie E?
 
I've been a fan of Robbie E pretty much since he started. I never watch wrestling with any pre-conceptive thoughts (it really helps) and Robbie E grew on me quick. Robbie stands out from the rest of the crowd and has tons of charisma. I quite like the gimmick he has, as I've become a fan, but I appreciate that for him to move up the card he can't be such a whipping boy in the ring and needs some tweaking. I'm hoping one of the most serious of TNA wrestlers (Big Robbie T) can perhaps knock some sense into Robbie E and make him more credible.

If Robbie E just even got some offense in on his opponents, it would be a start. Big Rob should try an instill an aggressive streak in Robbie E because I want to see this guy "fight". Obviously Robbie's a heel so I can see why he gets his arse kicked and then sneaks the win, but I don't see why he can't just be a little more competitive?
 
I'm a big fan of Robbie E. He's charismatic, good-looking, and is doing a great job so far as a heel. He's a fine, young talent who has captured the X-Division and Television titles in a span of over a year. Sure, his ring skills and overselling might seem like a problem, but he's doing a fine job at the moment with a bright future ahead of him.

He is supposed to be comedy relief, right? That's how I picture him. Don't know about everyone else.

[YOUTUBE]LMZXv_FaPqk[/YOUTUBE]

I mean, seriously, you can't help but laugh watching this.
 
I have been saying that for a while now with him. Robbie E. reminds me a lot of, and brace your self for this comparsion, The Rock when he first started. Robbie E. is stuck in the Rocky Maivia stage. He has great talent, a great heel persona, and is always getting some kind of response. Look at Rock when he arrived on the scene. His character was the definition of horrible! Slowly, he grew out of it, and when he became a member of The Nation of Domination, the transformation started one of the greatest entertainers in the biz. Robbie E has the skill to pull off a Rock-esque turn around. Cut the hair, lose the Jersey Shore gimmick, and then TNA will be on the way to having a great talent to add with their own talent...not the rehashed WWE talents.
 
i've been a fan from the start but honestly started off w more dislike for the gimmick but he sorta grew on me. he's a charasmatic one bro. He use to go by the name of rob eckos. I remember being at his tna tryout match I think it was against kid kash the day after Hardcore justice. Good reaction even from people who didnt know who the hell he was. Small portion of VIPers and most of non paying audience
 
Robbie E hasn't shown me enough yet to be considered a long-term talent. His Jersey Shore gimmick and TNA's constant pushing of Jersey Shore crossovers seems to be the only reason he gets titles and TV time. His character is one-dimensional, stuck to be a Jersey Shore ripoff. You could argue that Zack Ryder is the same, but Ryder branched out and expanded his character traits with things like his catchphrases and Youtube show. And remember where Robbie was before Ronnie decided to come along to TNA? Explosion, TNA's version of Superstars, rarely being seen. Pairing him up with Rob Terry didn't do much for me, but I digress.

Robbie also hasn't shown me much in the wrestling department. Just basic stuff. As mentioned by others, he does oversell, which I suppose is better than no-selling, but not much.

To me, if Robbie can expand beyond being just a Jersey Shore knockoff and get some real character development that's not related to the show, along with expanding his wrestling prowess, I might get interested. But for now, he's just another paper champion for a paper title in a company with no real mid-card outside the X-Division and (floundering) Tag Division.
 
I hate agreeing with Killjoy, but he's right here. I made a thread about the Spin Cycle and lauded Robbie E's charisma. The man is Ob-no-xious, and in a 'ye he's good' kinda way.

I mean I'm not a typical IWC mark, but I like him over Ryder in promos and stuff. As it is, Ryder hasn't given a full-blown promo, but nonetheless, Robbie E's expressions and mannerisms are hilarious. My god, after Spin Cycle I wanted to get a sig that said "Bangkok isn't a country bro". Damn funny!

And Ric Flair sold funny too, I like his selling from that clip.
 
I agree with most of what's been said. Lay a back a little on the comedy, and have him feud with a a few good wrestlers (Doug Williams, Kaz), then a clean win over a star (like RVD) and see if he's ready to run with the ball or go home.
 
I like Robbie E. Ive always smile when he comes to the ring, whether or not its just because its a laugh is a different story.

Have peopled noticed that the TV Title has been getting a lot more screen time recently?
 
This is what I hate about the IWC. Months ago there were threads about how horrible Robbie E. was (and certainly is) and how he shouldn't even be on television let alone on the roster as a champion. Not one person jumped out and said, "Oh, I love Robbie E." "Robbie E. is awesome!" "I've been a fan of his since the start!".. and now suddenly one person tosses out praise and everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts claiming Robbie E. to be a good talent.

Get real, bro.

Robbie E. and his gimmick are terrible. He wasn't even good on Spin Cycle, and certainly didn't show some impressive chemistry or great humour.. he was lame and mediocre, just as he is in the ring.
 
This is what I hate about the IWC. Months ago there were threads about how horrible Robbie E. was (and certainly is) and how he shouldn't even be on television let alone on the roster as a champion. Not one person jumped out and said, "Oh, I love Robbie E." "Robbie E. is awesome!" "I've been a fan of his since the start!".. and now suddenly one person tosses out praise and everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts claiming Robbie E. to be a good talent.
Wrong. I started the thread because I noticed fanfare for the guy was going around.

Get real, bro.
Funny. You trash talk about him, but use his mannerism's anyway.
Robbie E. and his gimmick are terrible. He wasn't even good on Spin Cycle, and certainly didn't show some impressive chemistry or great humour.. he was lame and mediocre, just as he is in the ring.

Most people posting here disagree. It's not a matter of people jumping on bandwagons. Its about a wrestler getting time, progressing and people acknowledging his work. If he truly stunk he'd be on similar roles as Rob Terry. Not being his life support.
 
Funny. You trash talk about him, but use his mannerism's anyway.

You can't, literally, be dumb enough NOT to have gotten my clear (and I made it as obvious as it could be) sarcasm and mockery with that statement.


Most people posting here disagree. It's not a matter of people jumping on bandwagons. Its about a wrestler getting time, progressing and people acknowledging his work. If he truly stunk he'd be on similar roles as Rob Terry. Not being his life support.

Your logic doesn't add up when you compare it all to what TNA is using and pushing on their product right now. When Robbie E is the Television champion getting lots of time, the bland and uninteresting MexiCam are prominent in the tag team division, horrible Karen Jarrett is dominating tv time with the Knockouts, and a huge chunk of the show is given solely to Bischoff's son, you know there's a problem with their judgment of talent and quality product.

Nice try, though.
 
I think he is strictly okay, I dont like seeing him in singles action as he is kind of boring to me in the ring. The guy is also kind of a Zack Ryder knock off if you think about it. What I would like to see is Robbie E and Robbie T as a team for two reasons.

1. Both are not good in the ring but are okay at certain things. Terry has power and Robbie E has mic skills and a little more ring ability.
2. Impacts tag division is slacking as of late and I think they need a few more teams.
 
I never liked this guy. The first time I saw him and his lame gimick , I thought "who the hell is this clown and what is he doing on my tv?". Now I'm not sure about what he was up to after 10/10 as I pretty much stopped watching TNA for a while shortly after Bound For Glory on 10/10/10. When I started watching again months later, I didn't see him and I thought he was gone. I cringed when I saw him named as being part of Destination X, and I'm not happy at all about how he's taking up airtime every single week. In my opinion he's not that good, I don't like his gimmick and I don't think he's funny.
 
Like I said he my deleted post, the guy is way too cartoonish. He's not the sort of wrestler I want to see in TNA. He's a WWE-type wrestler very exagerted moves and expression, Sport Entertainment all the way.
 
You can't, literally, be dumb enough NOT to have gotten my clear (and I made it as obvious as it could be) sarcasm and mockery with that statement.
Right. Because sarcasm comes off looking so well written in text.


Your logic doesn't add up when you compare it all to what TNA is using and pushing on their product right now. When Robbie E is the Television champion getting lots of time, the bland and uninteresting MexiCam are prominent in the tag team division, horrible Karen Jarrett is dominating tv time with the Knockouts, and a huge chunk of the show is given solely to Bischoff's son, you know there's a problem with their judgment of talent and quality product.
Seems to add up just fine to me. Putting heels isn't something you like. A heel doesn't have to be to your liking because the idea is for you to hate them. The reason Mexican America isn't all that good is because the team isn't drawing much attention. As opposed to Karen who gets tons of heat. Or Robbie E who also gets heat as well as a bit crossover appeal. Oh, and just because you don't like Garret Bischoff, doesn't mean fans attending shows don't. So don't try to make your opinion a universal one. It ain't. Use your ears.

Nice try, though.
I'm not the one being sarcastic via New Times Roman, bro.
 
I'm sorry, am I hallucinating right now, or is the guy who made it a point to vehemently talk shit about Zack Ryder every chance he got for months now creating a thread praising a half-assed, third-rate carbon copy of that exact wrestler? Seriously? You can officially never say a single negative thing about Zack Ryder ever again after this thread Killjoy.

Robbie E aka Eckos is the definition of mediocrity. He's not very good in the ring, he's not very good at promos, he doesn't have a particularly marketable look, and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of wrestlers exactly like him all over the indies and globe. Nothing about this guy is above average in any way. In fact, I'd say his in-ring skills are noticeably below average, as he's managed to completely fail to grasp the entire concept of the "X-Division" despite wrestling in it since coming to TNA. Here's a hint Rob: working endless chinlocks like your name was Randy Orton is not the path to good matches, angles, or success. They just bore the fuck out of the crowd during the one match that's entire premise is to guarantee the fans a fast-paced match. You could argue "Hey, that's his job as a heel! He's not supposed to entertain you!", but that's a bullshit cop-out because some of the best heels made it a point to perform excellently in the ring and show off a bit with their flashy repertoire, especially light-heavyweight/crusierweight/X-Division wrestlers of the past. Eddie Guerrero could launch his ass from one end of the ring to the other with crazy topes and frog splashes and was already well respected by the fans by the time his famous late 90s WCW run came around, and still the fans despised him and booed him mercilessly for years, because that's what a great heel wrestler does---he manages to keep the fans emotionally invested and pissed off at him as the bad guy while still performing at a fast-pace and delivering a quality wrestling match that the traditionalists could respect and enjoy, and not feel like they were ripped off buying a ticket to the show. If I bought a ticket to a TNA house show and Robbie E was in that typical X-Division opening spot, I'd feel ripped off as a consumer because this guy flat out doesn't understand how to work anything other than the most basic and rudimentary of styles.

Robbie E is not a "a few tweaks short of a great talent". That implies he's actually talented to begin with, but isn't being treated right. That's absurd. Nothing about Robbie E is above average, and if you think he is, you need to re-familiarize yourself with what exactly words like "average" and "talented" mean. Enjoy your Robbie E time while you can, because the dude is going to be out of a job once this Jersey Shore fad dies down, which it will.
 
I'm usually with KJ on a lot of subjects, but this isn't one of them.

When it comes to Robbie E, to me, he comes off ultimately as another overly hyped indy darling. When it was first announced he was coming to TNA, it seemed that every other post I read about the guy proclaimed how great he was and how much of a asset he would be to TNA. I didn't know anything about him so I kept my mind open. When he made his debut with Cookie, the first thing that popped into my mind, aside from the obvious attempted piggy back of Jersey Shore, was that Robbie E was a poor man's Zack Ryder. The differences being that Ryder is just an overall superior worker in every relevant manner.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not a huge Ryder fan either. I like the guy ok and I admit that he's busted his ass to get himself over and noticed. Even though Ryder & Robbie's characters aren't exactly the same, there are more than enough similarities between them so that you can't help but compare them. Robbie comes off more like a stereotypical guido like you'd see on Jersey Shore and, for me, it just makes him difficult to watch, listen to or take seriously. His work in the ring, on his very best day, would be average and I've definitely seen nothing above average from him.

As for him being Television Champion, that might mean something if the title itself had any legit meaning to it. The two matches we've seen Robbie E work on IW since winning the title have been embarassments. The first was a comedy match he lost to Eric Young and, because he lost, had to put on the turkey suit. His second match was against RVD in which he was booked to look like a complete, 100% scrub that didn't belong in the same ring as RVD.

Robbie E comes off as someone that needs a complete overhaul if there's any hope of him becoming a great talent.
 
I'm sorry, am I hallucinating right now, or is the guy who made it a point to vehemently talk shit about Zack Ryder every chance he got for months now creating a thread praising a half-assed, third-rate carbon copy of that exact wrestler? Seriously? You can officially never say a single negative thing about Zack Ryder ever again after this thread Killjoy.
Nah. I'll keep talking shit about Ryder. I don't recall Robbie E begging for fan support on Youtube and Twitter to be honest.

Robbie E aka Eckos is the definition of mediocrity. He's not very good in the ring, he's not very good at promos, he doesn't have a particularly marketable look, and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of wrestlers exactly like him all over the indies and globe.
Funny enough, he was picked above the hundreds of guys like him. So I'm gonna go ahead and talk about the one I can see.

Nothing about this guy is above average in any way. In fact, I'd say his in-ring skills are noticeably below average, as he's managed to completely fail to grasp the entire concept of the "X-Division" despite wrestling in it since coming to TNA.
Maybe that's why he's TV Champion instead.
Here's a hint Rob: working endless chinlocks like your name was Randy Orton is not the path to good matches, angles, or success. They just bore the fuck out of the crowd during the one match that's entire premise is to guarantee the fans a fast-paced match.
Yeah, except he's not in the X Division anymore.

You could argue "Hey, that's his job as a heel! He's not supposed to entertain you!", but that's a bullshit cop-out because some of the best heels made it a point to perform excellently in the ring and show off a bit with their flashy repertoire, especially light-heavyweight/crusierweight/X-Division wrestlers of the past. Eddie Guerrero could launch his ass from one end of the ring to the other with crazy topes and frog splashes and was already well respected by the fans by the time his famous late 90s WCW run came around, and still the fans despised him and booed him mercilessly for years, because that's what a great heel wrestler does---he manages to keep the fans emotionally invested and pissed off at him as the bad guy while still performing at a fast-pace and delivering a quality wrestling match that the traditionalists could respect and enjoy, and not feel like they were ripped off buying a ticket to the show.
I can understand that. But at the same time, not every great heel needed to be flashy, nor did most great wrestlers.

If I bought a ticket to a TNA house show and Robbie E was in that typical X-Division opening spot, I'd feel ripped off as a consumer because this guy flat out doesn't understand how to work anything other than the most basic and rudimentary of styles.
Well for one, he's currently not in the X Division, but more to the point, that's your own opinion and not everyone here shares it.

Robbie E is not a "a few tweaks short of a great talent". That implies he's actually talented to begin with, but isn't being treated right.
No, that's me saying he's on a learning path.
That's absurd. Nothing about Robbie E is above average, and if you think he is, you need to re-familiarize yourself with what exactly words like "average" and "talented" mean.
Nah. I'll base my definition on what I usually do. What I like.

Enjoy your Robbie E time while you can, because the dude is going to be out of a job once this Jersey Shore fad dies down, which it will.
Or he'll stick. It's wouldn't be the first time a guy grows out of one role and into another.
 
I'm usually with KJ on a lot of subjects, but this isn't one of them

And I said exactly the opposite in my opening statement.

When it comes to Robbie E, to me, he comes off ultimately as another overly hyped indy darling. When it was first announced he was coming to TNA, it seemed that every other post I read about the guy proclaimed how great he was and how much of a asset he would be to TNA. I didn't know anything about him so I kept my mind open. When he made his debut with Cookie, the first thing that popped into my mind, aside from the obvious attempted piggy back of Jersey Shore, was that Robbie E was a poor man's Zack Ryder. The differences being that Ryder is just an overall superior worker in every relevant manner.

First of all I have never heard of him as an indy darling. This is the first time. I was here when they said he was coming, maybe I didn't log in so much but I didn't catch his fire-crush on the internet.

Ok, maybe he is saddled with a gimmick that is a present day rage. Nothing wrong with that. I hate Jersey Shore, have tried seeing it but the ugly women (expect one who was ok) have turned my stomach fierce. But his obnoxiousness can go beyond just this gimmick. Him and Ryder, I don't expect to be faces of their company, but in Robbie I see a guy with a lotta funny. I alluded to his Spin Cycle episode where he brought out genuine LOLs outta me with his promo. Almost everyone on that table impressed me one way or the other, but Robbie's comic timing especially at 'Bangkok isn't a country bro' really took it. He is someone who can go beyond just The Jersey Shore gimmick. Someone I would want to be given a longer leash on the mic, just like Aries, and then you see him go. Riaku is right in naming this thread "Robbie E Is A Few Tweaks Short Of A Great Talent", there are tweaks very much necessary.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not a huge Ryder fan either. I like the guy ok and I admit that he's busted his ass to get himself over and noticed. Even though Ryder & Robbie's characters aren't exactly the same, there are more than enough similarities between them so that you can't help but compare them. Robbie comes off more like a stereotypical guido like you'd see on Jersey Shore and, for me, it just makes him difficult to watch, listen to or take seriously. His work in the ring, on his very best day, would be average and I've definitely seen nothing above average from him.

Really don't give a fuck about Ryder, never have. This domino effect of people just chanting 'We Want Ryder' because other fans in other cities do it, they see it on TV and ape it when Raw comes to their town is my logical explanation. I don't have to like a guy if people in Madison Square Garden are drooling all over him do I?

I see Robbie as a funny seller, someone who hasn't had a five star match, maybe never will, but I see a good talker and an average in-ring worker.

Ryder, I haven't been impressed by his promos, his matches are maybe a little better than Robbie's, but just a little. Robbie can improve and so can Ryder for that matter.



As for him being Television Champion, that might mean something if the title itself had any legit meaning to it. The two matches we've seen Robbie E work on IW since winning the title have been embarassments. The first was a comedy match he lost to Eric Young and, because he lost, had to put on the turkey suit. His second match was against RVD in which he was booked to look like a complete, 100% scrub that didn't belong in the same ring as RVD.

Hasn't been used right is what you're saying? I agree, but do I expect him to set the ring on fire. Not really.

Robbie E comes off as someone that needs a complete overhaul if there's any hope of him becoming a great talent.

Don't agree with complete overhaul, someone who is obnoxious and just needs to transcend The Jersey Shore gimmick by waiting till creative lets him be pig-headed without any modern day fad-restrictions.
 
I could not stand Robbie E when he first appeared on Impact, but he has slowly changed my opinion of him. He has taken a shitty gimmick and ran with it, he has improved in the ring quite a bit and is not bad on the mic either. I don't know if it's because they got rid of Cookie or what but I am able to put up with the whole Jersey thing lately, and I think him and Robbie T could make a good team in the tag division as well.
 

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