Report: Styles, Doc Gallows and Karl Anderson Backed Out of TNA Deals?

TNA is lying. Going off on what the statement says, Styles and the others did something outrageously illegal. Not well maybe the contracts weren't complete, the statement says they were. TNA could easily sue (and win) all of them into oblivion if this were true. They have a contract, they have signatures. They no doubt would have other evidence. This would be one of the easiest court cases ever. I have zero doubt TNA is lying.

Also, verbal contracts are just as binding as written contracts. As long as all the essential terms are worked out, they are binding.
 
I see TNA going to court against wwe cause an agreement whether written or verbal has grounds and if they had agreed verbally they cannot change their minds ! Its like getting an apt without a lease and agreeing to pay every month until the next month you change your mind and say I won t pay anymore does not cut it! TNA should win over this

Yo pal verbal or written agreement it counts and she has witnesses who were at her place I am sure she tape recorded the evidence as well so in court AJ Styles would lose and once he becomes a FT jobber in NXT with low pay he will be crying and apologizing to Dixie what he did wrong but by then he burnt all his bridges with ROH, NJPW and TNA! He ll suffer and be buried in wwe along with Samoa Joe and STING! Just remember when AJ Styles was a jobber in 2002 guess who rebuilt him and made him a star and known attraction TNA made him not wwe!

I'm glad we have a certified paralegal on the forums to clear this mess up. I totally forgot how a pinky swear was a powerful as a binding contract. Listen junior, if you're trying to troll, you're just exposing yourself as a total moron with no clear understanding of the legal system, business or for that matter logic. I find it quite amusing you saw AJ is burning bridges when NJPW gave him the opportunity to bow out in his goodbye and ROH is holding a tribute for the man on his last day there. But sure. You go on with your silly double rainbow area 51 theories while I go read facts and how to properly capitalize letter.
 
TNA noted that discussions between Styles, Gallows and Anderson culminated on December 14th, at a meeting which took place in Dixie Carter’s home in Nashville. The meeting was reportedly attended by Carter, Styles, John Gaburick, Gallows, Anderson and others. The meeting reportedly “could not have gone better”, and following the meeting contracts were presented to the talents, start dates were locked in, logos were created, and story lines were worked on. The talents came back with amendments to the offered contracts, to which TNA agreed.
Read more at http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/665...ils-on-tna-styles-meeting#AXORvmjmc5jSAD7Z.99

If this report is to be believed, this will put a rest to the "no contract was signed".

Regardless of how TNA treated Styles, regardless of anything, this was a low blow from Styles, his agent and the rest of them. TNA should absolutely retaliate, maybe not in a legal fashion, but at least put the story out there.

If they have a written contract, signed and everything, this is a very, very simple case. Do they? We could find out.
 
Yo pal verbal or written agreement it counts and she has witnesses who were at her place I am sure she tape recorded the evidence as well so in court AJ Styles would lose and once he becomes a FT jobber in NXT with low pay he will be crying and apologizing to Dixie what he did wrong but by then he burnt all his bridges with ROH, NJPW and TNA! He ll suffer and be buried in wwe along with Samoa Joe and STING! Just remember when AJ Styles was a jobber in 2002 guess who rebuilt him and made him a star and known attraction TNA made him not wwe!
And then you get to court, and the judge says "TNA, do you have any evidence of this verbal agreement?", Lionel Hutz says he has a special guest witness waiting just outside who saw the whole thing, and he leaves and comes back wearing a wig.

Also, learn what a run-on sentence is, and stop making them.
 
EInteresting developments.

There's a big difference between verbal and written agreements.

If it's the latter then it could get messy, what a bombshell to start RR weekend with.
 
One thing I'm suspicious about is why TNA waited until 48 hours before the Royal Rumble to put out a statement saying that it had some sort of binding, legal agreement with Styles. I don't want this to sound like some wild conspiracy theory, it just strikes me as odd that TNA would wait 2 days before Styles POSSIBLY makes his debut for WWE at one of the company's original Big Four ppv events. I mean, it's been all but written in the stars for weeks now that Styles is WWE bound, so why wait all this time to release a statement like this if the idea wasn't to maybe cause WWE to alter whatever potential plans they might have for Styles Sunday?

My instinct is that if TNA had any credible, legal evidence to support their claim, they'd have put out a statement stomping out the rumors right away when the reports of Styles and his Bullet Club buddies had signed or were about to sign with WWE. The latest details put out on this make it seem even more like sour grapes than yesterday's statement, at least to me.
 
If this report is to be believed, this will put a rest to the "no contract was signed".

Regardless of how TNA treated Styles, regardless of anything, this was a low blow from Styles, his agent and the rest of them. TNA should absolutely retaliate, maybe not in a legal fashion, but at least put the story out there.

If they have a written contract, signed and everything, this is a very, very simple case. Do they? We could find out.
It doesn't say anywhere that they signed those contracts though. If they signed any contracts, there is no way they are going to the WWE. TNA would win hands down in court. Styles isn't stupid. I don't think any contracts were signed and this is Dixie being the idiot that she is.

According to Styles agent:

"No contract was ever finalized nor signed by the parties.

That I would need to be involved in the contract process was known by TNA prior to my involvement and understood by them.

TNA and its 1st lawyer did not present in a timely fashion a contract that accurately reflected previous discussions at all. That created great concern tied to past experiences. In that time and prior there was other interest and there were other firm offers on the table and other discussions.

TNA was aware of other interest and various conflicts. TNA was aware a final contract was required. It was creating that contract and controlled that timetable. Too much time passed early on. Other things came into play. No contract was ever finalized with TNA.

To suggest I make any decision for my clients is to misunderstand my role and diminish the role each talent has in making their own decisions, and insults the talent in the process.


Read more at http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/665943-aj-styles-agent-issues-official-statement-on-the-current-tna-situation#xyhXjoAtMYFR2Tz0.99"
 
From all the reports I have read AJ,Gallows,and Anderson didn't sign anything with TNA according to their agent. Had they signed anything then they wouldn't be about to debut in WWE. Which I find very convenient this is all coming out now on the weekend of the Royal Rumble.

Also I just laugh at this notion that just because AJ isn't going back to TNA that all of sudden it makes him disloyal and that he never puts anyone over. I bet had he gone back then all the psycho TNA fans would praise the guy.
 
I still don't see AJ, Gallows and the others being used much by WWE as it comes across as just getting them under a WWE/NXT contract so they can't work for the others. I think tampering could be filed against both WWE and TNA as AJ blew off most of his remaining events saying his back was in such bad shape and the others were under contract when they announced they signed with WWE.
 
I still don't see AJ, Gallows and the others being used much by WWE as it comes across as just getting them under a WWE/NXT contract so they can't work for the others. I think tampering could be filed against both WWE and TNA as AJ blew off most of his remaining events saying his back was in such bad shape and the others were under contract when they announced they signed with WWE.

What dates did he blow off? He finished up his dates with New Japan and is finishing up with ROH tonight. I fail to see how he blew off anything.
 
The part of this that grinds my gears is The reason deep down that TNA made this statement. I'm sure people will say "Well Vince has done under handed things in the past" and of course he has but 99% of the time however underhanded it is, you can pin point where WWE benefits and can hurt their competition.

TNA releasing this statement helps them in no way and can only hurt AJ, Gallows and Anderson. Their reputation and the odds he will be in the RR are likely slightly less now. At the same time makes TNA look worse too, this is lose lose for them.
 
This whole things sounds a little off but also a little familiar. Anyone remember a number of years back when wwe wanted to sign Mike Goldberg to be their new commentator? Wasn't it similar -I think he was inbetween contracts with UFC but still working with them and had stuff lined up with them but wwe wanted him to just drop them with no notice. This isn't that different - sounds like they had things lined up and were in the process of getting proper documents and then wwe swoops in and suddenly they are not taking to TNA anymore. I do think TNA is handing this poorly but you can't really blame them if wwe did come in after they heard these guys were talking to TNA. Funny how they have no problem stealing talent but when it happened to them, WCW was horrible for doing it. I don't know, this crap is making me not want to watch wrestling at all anymore because it isn't even about wwe getting the best talent for thier show, it is about them getting the best talent so others can't have them and I think that is low. But at the same time, you have TNA letting out info that the fans really don't need to know and forgetting that they could have still had AJ Styles has they just treated him fairly. Instead he dropped the title to a guy who left the company as soon as his contract was up. Great move.
 
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I can absolutely understand all three opting for WWE in place of TNA if this storyline is true. It's clear they are the premiere destination. But what I can't really get behind is if the rug got pulled out from under TNA if "handshake deal" means what it means in most lines of business — an agreement to work together. Effectively a verbal contract that tends to serve as a temporary placeholder until a formal contract is written up and signed.

From the sound of this, TNA had all three secured, but because of the lack of a formal contract, all three were able to grease their way out of the handshake deal — something often done in "good faith" — at the last second.

"No One" indeed, AJ.

I think these 3 chose a better place just like anyone would do. AJ was mishandled in TNA last time when he was there. I am all ok for them joing WWE if there is not an signed contract. The most dumb thing is TNA's acknowledging this and making it news. :shrug:

:devil:
 
I know it sounds harsh but TNA is being bloody stupid.

Handshake's don't mean shit in a professional setting (or any setting really) You might be seen as a jerk for not following through with something you agreed with but there's no legal ramifications at all.

And to be honest TNA hasn't had the best few year years recently. Changing tv stations, losing quite a lot of talent due to mismanagement and general incompetence doesn't exactly instill confidence. I get that they were trying to get some of that confidence back by getting AJ (MR TNA as it were) and Doc and Anderson but if WWE came at them with a better offer you can't blame them for taking it. But to then outright complain about it in public is stupid as hell.
 
What do you expect from a company that is operated more like the tea set given to a little girl by Daddy? One run with maturity? Come on. Two years ago, they could not afford AJ. So, they let him go. How, all of a sudden, can they afford Styles AND two of the more well-known members of the Bullet Club? Dixie is pissed because AJ and TBC would not accept her offer. Bill Behrens is no idiot. He saw a bad deal, and told those three to run.

The sad part is that those three probably sold their legacies away for a few dollars. VKM will not give two shits about their history. To Dixie's credit, she WOULD have. Those three was all about the WWE Network debuting in Japan and nothing else. If Kurt Angle was in New Japan and not TNA, it would have been Angle getting signed to show off on the Network.
 
Everything we've read indicates that TNA's new deal with POP, along with an influx of capital coming from renewed international deals and TNA's SonySix contract have given them a wealth of money to play with. It's why they went free agent shopping like this to begin with. It's also why, as is being reported, they are signing talents to guaranteed contracts again.

Oh, and Angle's deal is about to expire as well. A reportedly huge figure.

So sorry to be "that guy" again, but can we please just fucking stop pretending to know what TNA can or can't afford? Please?

TNA doesn't look good here. This screams of sour grapes. But it's not unreasonable to presume their finances are back in order, so to speak, and that they have enough money to make fair offers to talents.

Whether those talents accept those offers or view TNA as a regression or as a bridge-burning stop... I have no idea. But it's absurd to continue with this tired trope that "TNA can't pay" because they almost certainly can.
 
But it's absurd to continue with this tired trope that "TNA can't pay" because they almost certainly can.

You know, i wonder if that was what Vince thought back when Bischoff took over WCW because it was a similar situation - they had their own talent but guys like Flair had left for various reason, usually booking and money. But when the time came, Turner has no issue spending money to get top guys to give WWF some real competition. Regardless of what TNA's financials are, they are still owned by a much larger company so while Panda may not want to give them extra money for guys are not top names, I don't see if being much of an issue if it was to get someone like AJ Styles back seeing how well he has been doing since leaving TNA. Storm is a perfect example as he was going to be in NXT until the truth came out that TNA gave him a much better offer so obviously TNA has some funds.

Honestly, I am not sure what TNA was thinking when they released that statement other than they thought it showed they were big leagues too. If they had some sort of understanding, then take them to court over it and block them from appearing in wwe. Otherwise, you gain nothing by acting like a 6 year old complaining because your friend said he was coming to play and then went to play somewhere else. But it could be worse - at least we won't get a fake AJ Styles appearing in TNA.
 
Panda Energy has nothing to do TNA. They operate on separate wavelengths. Rayne can give you a better breakdown of that than I can, so if he's up for typing it out again, I'll defer to him.

TNA has funds because they just signed a new national television deal with POP, renewed multiple international deals and are reportedly being paid quite a bit of money through their SonySix deal in India. When you also factor in the bigger names that have left, that's arguably also more money they're now able to spend elsewhere.
 
Panda Energy has nothing to do TNA. They operate on separate wavelengths. Rayne can give you a better breakdown of that than I can, so if he's up for typing it out again, I'll defer to him.

I'll take your throw, and hopefully work towards ending this whole "Panda Energy's Bank Account" obsession.

Once upon a time, there was a man who was the majority owner of an energy conglomorate called "Panda Energy". He had a daughter, who though having many faults, did have an interest in professional wrestling, during a phase where there was an opening for an alternative to the WWE product, which had recently finished swallowing its only competition. (And as a result the WWE was having some pretty horrible indigestion.) So this man gave his daughter a sum of money to purchase and operate a professional wrestling company called "TNA". This was done with TNA as a division of Panda Energy, causing many people to ask why a company that built power plants and little else would become interested in professional wrestling.

TNA continued to grow, yet had trouble crossing the profitability threshold. While their revenue continued to increase as the company grew larger, their expenses increased at a quicker pace. Then, one day in January 2009, the company stopped growing, but expenses kept building. The man that was the majority owner of Panda Energy was placed in the awkward position of explaining to his co-owners why he was spending their money on a money-losing professional wrestling promotion, when they had invested their money in power plants.

So TNA was split from Panda Energy. At the time, it was viewed as a classic case of a larger company splitting a failing division so that it could die without impacting their financials. This had an immediate and drastic effect on TNA, as they now had to keep revenue and expenses in a strict relationship to each other.

But a funny thing happened. TNA did what few people expected, and rebuilt themselves around their changed financial situation. Shit got real for a couple of years; they weren't able to retain some of their most valuable talents. But this was a couple of years ago. Panda Energy no longer needs to be feeding TNA money, because TNA has rebuilt itself into a company which isn't spending more than it can afford to invest. Their revenue is lower, but their expenses are much lower as well.

AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, it's difficult to get a clear picture on TNA's financial status; their free agent shopping spree could either be read as a major investment to rebuild their ratings on a new network, or as using capital acquired as a result of their contract with POP. What it does indicate is that TNA does have money available to spend on free-agent signings.

Which brings us around to AJ Styles. Undoubtedly, the WWE offered AJ more money than TNA would. This is not a "TNA can't afford it" statement; it's a "how much is AJ worth?" statement. To the WWE, AJ Styles (at this moment in time) is a huge pickup; he's coming off of a big run in Japan at the same time the WWE is trying to launch their Network over there. To TNA, they pick up AJ for sentimental reasons. AJ's a very talented performer, but he's not a guy who's going to make 50,000 people every week ask why they aren't getting POP on their cable network.

There comes a point where you have to say "would spending all this money on one guy be worth it, brother?" To TNA, I'm sure the sentimental value of his return would be worth quite a bit, but it's not worth getting into a bidding war with the WWE over- especially when TNA doesn't have this magical pot of unlimited money which some people think they do.
 
...and that, folks, is as they say, 'the ball game'.

So I'll now ask that the "just ask Panda for money" argument follow the same path off the same logical cliff that "TNA has no money" fell over and died.

Maybe now we can have reasonable discussions without resorting to tired tropes we can't prove are actually true. :)

And I agree, Rayne, with your assessment of Styles. It makes all the sense in the world for WWE to see major value in him at this particular time — value I don't think you could argue logically (as opposed to nostalgically or sentimentally) is true for TNA.

I just hope for AJ's sake he sees more success than any other TNA star ever has when jumping ship to WWE, because the history there is about as bright as that indigestion you referred to for WCW's big guys. Long walk, short bridge.
 
If Panda Energy decided to split away from TNA in January 2009, how did they mange to get Hogan, and Bischoff a year later? Unless I misread something in the post.

On a side note, Styles may have gotten a good reaction in Orlando where Impact was taped for many years, but what happens when he goes outside of Florida? Is Vince going to pull the plug when all the E marks start sitting on their hands when he comes out?
 
Considering, from what I understand, Vince doesn't pull the plug when guys like Roman Reigns get booed mercilessly by hot crowds all over the nation, I doubt it. Or Cena, for the matter. Or any other polarizing figure put into a position of success because the shot-callers want them to succeed.

I think you're dramatically underestimating the impact AJ Styles has as a pro wrestler today, and probably aren't taking into account the intelligence, by and large, of WWE's audience. I know the general saying is that they are "casual fans", but every other week I'm reading an article or watching a quick clip on YouTube that says otherwise. Surely they're not all taped from Orlando?
 
If Panda Energy decided to split away from TNA in January 2009, how did they mange to get Hogan, and Bischoff a year later? Unless I misread something in the post.
The split occurred in 2013, possibly early 2014. I also forgot that Hogan and Bischoff joined in 2010, because I am old and shit blends together after a while.
 
I see TNA going to court against wwe cause an agreement whether written or verbal has grounds and if they had agreed verbally they cannot change their minds ! Its like getting an apt without a lease and agreeing to pay every month until the next month you change your mind and say I won t pay anymore does not cut it! TNA should win over this

This is what I forsee happening also. I would love to see TNA give the finger to Vince. But in reality, AJ is old and washed up. I would rather see up and comers like Matt Taven, Kyle O'Reilly, and Adam Cole signed instead. Heck throw Bobby Fish in there too, he's older but would be a great addition to the roster.
 
But in reality, AJ is old and washed up. I would rather see up and comers like Matt Taven, Kyle O'Reilly, and Adam Cole signed instead. Heck throw Bobby Fish in there too, he's older but would be a great addition to the roster.

I think you ruined that post with saying that AJ Syles is old & washed up, they guy might have a lingering back injury but he can still go and put on great matches, not to mention he's younger than Tyrus, Abyss, Matt Hardy etc.

TNA's biggest mistake has been them taking too long to try and get AJ Styles back.

They should now concentrate on trying to sign Jay Lethal.
 

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