Remembering Their Careers: "Macho Man" Randy Savage

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Remembering Their Careers
"Macho Man" Randy Savage

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So, I want to create a series of threads that will remember some of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time. I think it'll be a good way to initiate some conversation about these wrestlers, remember their careers, and discuss the lasting impact they had on the industry. So here it goes. For the first thread, I wanted to post about the "Macho Man" Randy Savage. He had an excellent career, but at the same time, I feel as if his career could have been even better if it weren't for some issues. Randy Savage is considered by most as the "Greatest IC Champion of All Time." He is a two time WWF/E Champion as well as a 4-Time WCW Heavyweight World Champion.

A Few of "Macho Man's" Greatest Accomplishments
- AWA (Memphis) Southern Heavyweight Champion (March 17, 1985)
- AWA (Memphis) Southern Heavyweight Champion (May 13, 1985)
- WWF Intercontinental Champion (February 8, 1986)
- WWF King of the Ring Tournament Winner (April 9, 1987)
- WWF World Heavyweight Champion (March 27, 1988)
- WWF World Heavyweight Champion (April 5, 1992)
- WCW World Heavyweight Champion (November 26, 1995)
- WCW World Heavyweight Champion (January 22, 1996)
- WCW World Heavyweight Champion (April 19, 1998)
- WCW World Heavyweight Champion (July 11, 1999)

**Please let me know if I got any of these dates wrong.**

This is just a list of his MAJOR accomplishments. He obviously accomplished a lot more throughout his career that spanned through the '70s, '80s, '90s and the '00s. He has worked for the WWF(E), WCW, and TNA.

So now I leave it up for discussion...Here is some possible discussion points...
- What's your favorite Randy Savage moment and/or match?
- Do you think Randy Savage will ever get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame?
- What kind of impact did the career of Randy Savage have on the wrestling world and will it continue to impact the wrestling world?
- Would Randy Savage's gimmick/character be as popular and successful in today's product as it was in the '80s and '90s?
 
The ricky steamboat incident where he dropped the bell on his neck turned me into a pro wrestling fan for life. Machoman kind of always struck me as a guy who wasn't much different outside of the ring as he was inside. Maybe that was just how well he played his charecter, idk. His voice was one of a kind and he gave insane promos. He always had great feuds from hogan, steamboat,flair to guys like honkytonkman, tito santana, ultimate warrior and Jim duggan. His intercontinental title to his king macho days days were his prime, but he was also real good in wcw. He could also pull off heel or face really well and changed his look throughout his carrer kinda like the undertaker.
 
first time responding to a post so here i go. macho man was a great talent even when he got older and was in wcw he could still draw and headline ppvs the only thing that held him down was hogan. if it wasnt for hogan i think that he would of had more wwe champions and would of had longer runs with the titles.i thing he was a good story teller in the ring and barley did you get a bad match out of him. he does deserve to be in the hof and i think with in the next 4 years he will be inducted.

when you here the glass its vinces ass
 
I couldn't pass up a new thread about my favorite wrestler of all time, but don't worry, I won't rant and rave for too long. Savage was an amazing worker, he was able to pull great matches out of guys like Ultimate Warrior, and the matches he had with guys like Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair were works of art. He was also able to swich the roles of heel and face flawlessly througout his career. From having garbage thrown at him, to his reunion with Elizabeth after his retirement match with Warrior that literally had the fans in tears, he was able to hold the crowd in the palm of his hands. Randy Savage is way overdue for the WWE Hall of Fame, but I can feel it coming soon.
 
When I first got into wrestling in the mid-80's, Randy Savage was the guy I wanted to be. He was exciting to watch in the ring, great to listen to on the mic AND he had Elizabeth.

There are so many, but if I had to pick one, it would be the WrestleMania 3 match against Ricky Steamboat. He and Ricky may have gotten in trouble for upstaging Hogan and Andre, but they delivered a fantastic match.

I don't know what the story is with Savage and WWE, but he sure as hell deserves to be in their HOF. With the exception of Bruno Sammartino, he's the biggest snub they've made. I'm sure he'll get in someday.

It's hard to say if his gimmick would have worked in the modern day. Savage was a guy who changed as time went by, but I think he stuck around too long. Seeing him in WCW in 1999 needing THREE women running interference for him was a little disheartening for me.
 
easily, the greatest moment of Randy Savage's career was WMIV. I mean it was like the entire PPV was the Randy Savage show. He was all over that one. Great Stuff.
 
I always found it interesting the only people he lost the world titles too were either Hogan or Flair LOL my favorite moment of Macho man was in Wrestlemania 8 against Flair the man was excellent.. loved him on the mic too.

The REAL reason he is banned from the WWE Hall of Fame:

The Slim Jim situation has been brought up and has been laughed off from time to time, but it's the truth of why Randy and Vince don't speak to this day. Also this has been confirmed on Bret Harts Book as to why Vince Black listed savage. And no it has nothing to do with Stephanie. (That childish rumor needs to die)

Remember that the WWE, in 1994, was not a public company. Vince was spending his own money and relying on ad revenue from advertisers to keep his TV shows on the air. This was around the same time as the steroid trial. Vince got off, but at a price. The bad PR surrounding the company, which was family-friendly back then, was devastating. WWE was all about good guys vs. bad guys, and it was a "safe" product that the whole family could enjoy.

Don't forget that 1994 in general was a bad year for wrestling. The WWE was suffering from low buyrates and poor attendance at house shows (Bret vs. Owen in half-empty arenas, the same arenas that were sold out for Hogan vs. Flair just 2 years prior). Wrestlers' morale was down and pay cuts were all over the place, which is why Bobby Hennan, Gene Okerlund, and Jimmy Hart had all left the company earlier that year. Then the steroid trial happened and the newspapers were full of stories about steriod and coke-addled wrestlers who were coaxed into abusing these substances by McMahon, since their jobs depended on it.

True or not, it scared the hell out of the WWE's many advertisers, who started pulling out left and right. Remember all the commercials on WWE TV back then? All kid-friendly products (candy bars, toys, video games, breakfast cereal, those little Nerf footballs with the spikes at the end). One of the few remaining advertisers was Slim Jim, who had a huge celebrity sponsorship deal with Randy. Here was a company that manufactured this piece of crap beef jerky whose sales went through the roof thanks to advertising their product on WWE TV (had any of you heard of Slim Jim before the early 90s?).

Late in '94, Randy and Vince were having contract disputes. Randy still felt he had some gas left in the tank, and still wanted to wrestle (apart from his position as Slim Jim spokesman, he was relegated to ringside commentator and conducted interviews with talent, and rarely wrestled). Vince disagreed, mainly because the WWE's big marketing gimmick at the time was "New Generation", which was centered on then-young talent like Shawn Michaels, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, with the focal point being then-WWF Champion Bret Hart. But the "New Generation" gimmick was ludicrious. Not only was Bret only 4 1/2 years younger than Randy, but his primary feud at the time was with 1970s hold-over Bob Backlund, who originally left the company in 1984, 1 YEAR before Randy even showed up!

Randy saw through this and wanted out. Around the same time, Randy's then-friend Hulk Hogan, who had just defected to WCW for a big-money contract just 8 months prior, came calling with promises of guaranteed money down South. Vince naturally assumed that Slim Jim would stay on as an advertiser for his TV programming, since the business relationship was so mutually beneficial. Through this, Vince could keep the ad revenue dollars flowing into the company, and Slim Jim could continue to enjoy their brisk sales as a result of the exposure Vince allowed them.

As for a celebrity spokesman, Vince also assumed that Slim Jim would ditch Randy as their celebrity client and snatch up any one of the other wrestlers in the company (Nash, Hall, etc.) to be the new "Snap into it!" pitchman for Slim Jim's then-ubiquitous commercials. Wrong. Before Vince could blink, Randy had already met with the top Slim Jim execs and convinced them to not only pull their ads off of WWE programming, but to follow Randy down South to WCW. Down to Ted Turner's self-owned conglomerate; a billionaire who certainly didn't need the ad revenue.

So not only had Randy scored a major business coup against Vince, but he managed to keep his celebrity spokesman job while working for the dreaded competition (Vince's obsession with Ted Turner was full-blown at the time). Vince felt betrayed by the fact that Savage ended up costing him millions of dollars. Worst of all, Vince deeply resented the fact that he was outsmarted by one of the boys, which was unheard of in all his years of running the company.

To top it all of, Randy just didn't care. He went to WCW, and while his 1997 matches didn't hold a candle to his 1987 ones, he made millions in guaranteed money working a relaxed schedule and surrounded by other WWE castaways (Hogan, Piper, Hall, Nash, Luger, Sean Waltman). Randy was also at the forefront of the NWO, when WCW was beating WWE for 2 years straight in the ratings, and Vince came close many times to going out of business.

As far as Randy was concerned, it was business, and he's living off the fruits of his labor to this day. But Vince took it personally. And there's nothing Vince hates more than ex-WWE guys who don't need him. Think about it. How many former WWE stars from the 80s and 90s ended up drug-addled, broke, and useless in the real world? How many have been sitting by the phone for the last 10 years waiting breathlessly for Vince to call and offer up $500 to come back and get humiliated on Raw? How many have spent the last 10 years calling the office every week begging and pleading for a shot, ANY shot, "Just please, Vince! Put me back on TV!"

It's more common than you think. Vince LOVES playing God to all the used-up talent he burned through from the time Reagan was President. He loves being their sole source of income (while they push carts at Walmart in the real world), which is why he's so quick to trademark their rings names and sue or issue ceast-and-desist orders to keep them from making a living outside the WWE. It's why he's so quick to sign them to non-compete deals should they ever get that one last "shot", be it on Raw or in the Hall of Fame, thereby preventing them from capitalizing on the momentum of being on national TV.

Vince's goal is to control everything about the lives of his current and former talent, even the ones he could care less about. Lord knows what strings come attached with the free rehab the company offers. But NONE of this applies to Randy. Not one iota. Unlike 90% of his 80s-90s wrestling peers, Randy is happy, massively wealthy, and enjoying life. He doesn't need Vince or his money.

Vince, meanwhile, was still trying to playing his games showing what a spoiled little baby he is. Look no further than the Legends of Wrestlemania game. Randy was NOT included in the game, and this is a guy who not only performed at 9 of them (II through X), but main-evented 2 of them (IV and V), and had arugable the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time (at III)!

But here we are, 17 years later, Randy Savage is only NOW getting his just due somewhat with his DVD set, action figures, and being in the new WWE videogame, but still no documentary or Hall of Fame induction as Vince is seemingly still intent on getting his point across by blatantly not giving Savage full credit for his vast WWE legacy, even though this project could only be financially beneficial to McMahon's already deep pockets. And yes, that is the saddest irony of all. After almost 20 years away from the WWE, Randy Savage is still costing Vince McMahon money.

However Macho Man IS in the OFFICIAL Pro-wrestling Hall of fame class of 2009
http://www.pwhf.org/halloffamers/inductees.asp


WWE hall of fame is a sham.. :(

Randy is my favorite wrestler of all time.. he deserves better than he has gotten.
 
WWE hall of fame is a sham..

Randy is my favorite wrestler of all time.. he deserves better than he has gotten.

I completely, 100%, agree with you that he deserves better than he has gotten. He is my 2ND favorite wrestler of all time, Sting being number one for me, but to see him excluded from the WWE Hall of Fame is a travesty. We all know the WWE Hall of Fame is a joke, take this year for example. Drew Carrey is being inducted for crying out loud. What has that man ever contributed to the pro wrestling/sports entertainment? Nothing. But at the same time, it would be nice to see Vince finally get over his beef (no pun intended) with Macho Man and induct him into the HoF. Randy Savage, no matter who you ask will always be in at least the top 15, if not in the top 10 of most, of the greatest wrestlers of all time lists.
 
I remember the first time I watched wrestling and the first match I saw was the Killer Bees feuding with the Hart Foundation. I was hooked for life. I had an old tv that had the two knobs one for VHF the other for UHF, and I'd try to turn the UHF knob to watch wrestling, and I saw Randy Savage vs. Tito Santana for the IC belt. I absolutely worshipped Randy Savage. He was great in the ring on the mat, with aerial moves. When he won the Heavyweight title I was on cloud 9. I never liked Hogan. I know he was the draw but the people who could actually do the work in the ring were those, I admired most and Randy was among the best.

- What's your favorite Randy Savage moment and/or match?

Easily the match vs. Ricky Steamboat at WM3. Great storytelling and a great ending. A classic match. I loved the match where he beat Dibiase for the title at WM4. His reuniting with Miss Elizabeth at WM7 ( I think) was really cool. Well acted.

- Do you think Randy Savage will ever get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame?

I hope he does, but I doubt it will. It's been so damn long, unless Vince steps down, which I think is still a long ways off, it won't happen. The problem for me is, I have no idea what Vince has against Savage. What did Savage do that was so horrible that Vince would keep a grudge against him for so damn long ? The Hall has a number of guys in it who deserve to be there, but there are far too many people in it or about to be in it that are a total joke. He and Miss Elizabeth (RIP) have earned the right to be in there and I have very little interest in the Hall till they are in there. I felt the DVD package done without his participation or Elizabeth's family participating was ridiculous. They shouldn't have bothered to do one at all, if they were going to do it that way. I wanted to know his though process concerning matches and his thoughts about his time in various places. Who cares what two hosts who never knew Randy Savage personally, have to say about him ?

- What kind of impact did the career of Randy Savage have on the wrestling world and will it continue to impact the wrestling world?

He was a champion during the Hogan era. Which was very difficult. He wasn't the money maker that Hogan was, but he helped to create a respect for storytelling. Hogan was the draw, but he along with many other performers in the midcard, below or in the tag team division helped to put a spotlight on the craft not just the hype. Vince, (if what I heard about him were true), loved big men to be his champion. Savage was small but had a larger than life persona and amazing ability in the ring. If Savage hadn't been champ, perhaps many smaller performers who could work in the ring might not have gotten the shot to be champ in favour or bigger guys. When he went to WCW, I was a little disappointed, but these things do happen. I felt Hogan should have dropped the title to him during the whole NWO thing, but you know how Hogan is. I

- Would Randy Savage's gimmick/character be as popular and successful in today's product as it was in the '80s and '90s?

He was the character, he delivered emotion during his promos, and he could back it up in the ring. He might not be the best promo guy, but I was never bored. Contrast his skills in the ring vs. what many performers give us today, today's roster would be put to shame. The problem is with today's product, you'd have tons of women's groups after WWE for how he treated Liz when he was heel, if he did that today. So he'd gain a lot of heat there. Liz didn't talk much and wasn't physically involved initially, which isn't what most fans of wrestling like in their female managers today. So there would be some problems adjusting, but those are minor issues.
 
- Do you think Randy Savage will ever get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame?
randy savage had better get into the hall of fame, that man is a legend, he helped the wwe look good.
- What kind of impact did the career of Randy Savage have on the wrestling world and will it continue to impact the wrestling world?
randy savage had a huge impact, he started some of the best promos ever, then guys like rock, austin and some other guys learned from that. he raised the bar to a very high level with promos. unfortunetly atm, promos arent as good ass they used to be. he also helped get alot of attention to the wrestling industry.
- Would Randy Savage's gimmick/character be as popular and successful in today's product as it was in the '80s and '90s?
i would have to say it would, or, at least the older people would like it, youngsters may not care to much for it, so it would depend on who you are as to how good his character would be today.
 
How good was Savage...Just watch his matches with Warrior at Mania 7 n SS92....That's how good he was!

And just like Savage beat Vince at his own game(and is hated for it), so did Warrior(and is hated for it)....hmmm, is see a patern forming here.....
 
- What's your favorite Randy Savage moment and/or match?
- Do you think Randy Savage will ever get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame?
- What kind of impact did the career of Randy Savage have on the wrestling world and will it continue to impact the wrestling world?
- Would Randy Savage's gimmick/character be as popular and successful in today's product as it was in the '80s and '90s?

My favorite Savage match, and I'm sure this has been said to death, but it has to be Wrestlemania III against Ricky Steamboat for the Intercontinental title. Probably one of the most classic matches of all time that set the standard for Wrestlemania Moments.

Do I think Savage will ever get inducted into the Hall? Absolutely, probably later rather than sooner, but assuming that eventually Vince will cave in to the pleas of thousands of fans craving more Savage, I think it will happen.

Savage had a huge impact on the wrestling world, in many cases he was almost as big as Hulk Hogan. The name Macho Man is synonymous with professional wrestling and hopefully.. always will be.

I think Savage's character could easily work in today's product, with a few tweaks of course. I think if Savage were to return tomorrow his persona would be a combination of early-mid 90s Savage with the Macho Madness persona he eventually evolved into in WCW in the late 90s.
 

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