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Real Life Friends & Enemies

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With the advent of the Internet information about the "actors" who play the characters we so love has become quite common. I'm sure a lot of it is total BS but some of it has foundation in interviews, autobiographies and the like. True or not though, I think interest in who these wrestlers are as actual people is at an all-time high in the history of professional wrestling.

Hence the topic, which is a matter that has made me curious for many many years now.

What real life heat is there between wrestlers? What is it based on?

For example:

Enemies
Randy Savage/Hulk Hogan - I have always heard Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan hated each other, largely stemming from Macho Man resenting Hogan for a variety of reasons. How much truth there is to his resentments seems to vary on who you talk to but there it is.

And on the opposite side, who gets along well IRL?

Friends
The Kliq - Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Triple H, Sean Waltman, Shawn Michaels


Vince McMahon of course could have a whole topic just discussing who likes and hates him. I've heard on a couple different boards that one of the Road Warriors hated him most vehemently, saying he was evil or the Devil or something like that.

Just a couple things to start off with. Like I said, this is a discussion that interests me a lot for whatever reason and I'd love to read a lot of responses. I'm always anxious to learn from people who know more about "the business" than me.
 
well for the most part of they've worked together they don't hate each other. there are exceptions to this rule, such as bret and hbk, but as both have stated they worked each other into a shoot, so they didnt hate each other when the feud started.

ive heard that when bam bam bigelow first came into the wwf he was bragging about payoffs from japan, andre didnt like it and requested a match, after which everything was settled. also the dynamite kid and the mountie didnt like each other, if you dont know that story itd better to look it up than hear the broad outline by me.

guys who were friends, you already named the kliq, at the same time there was undertakers group, him the godwins, and yokozuna, maybe a few others but i dont remember.
 
Paul London and Matt Hardy had some problems. As far as I know those still exist. I've seen rumors online that Ashley Massaro was involved. One of them supposedly stole her from the other one. I've never heard Matt's side to any of it and Paul London didn't go into too much detail about any of it.

Paul London also doesn't seem to care for Billy Kidman at all.

Warrior and Hogan. Warrior went on a bunch of rants about Hogan and his family and stuff. They supposedly buried the hatchet over the Hall Of Fame weekend this year and there is a video of them backstage talking and shaking hands so I'm going to assume that is true.

Kenny Dykstra has been pretty vocal about his dislike for John Cena and has said that Cena stole Mickie James away from him.

I'm not sure where Marty and Shawn stand but at the time of The Rockers split up they were having backstage issues. I think it was Marty who told the story that they got into a fistfight and the cops got called. Randy Savage didn't know about the fight yet and when the cops were wanting to take Shawn and Marty to jail Randy came over and talked to the cops and told them "no this is what we do. They weren't really fighting." The cops knew who Randy was so he gave them a couple autographs and saved Marty and Shawn from going to jail.

Kevin Sullivan and Chris Benoit didn't like each other. They did an angle where Benoit ended up taking Woman (Nancy Benoit) away from Kevin. It ended up happening like that in real life too which caused problems.

Goldberg didn't like Jericho and if I remember right Goldberg didn't want to work with Jericho in WCW. I know there was one backstage altercation that's pretty well known. Goldberg recently said that as far as he knows there is no more bad blood between the two of them and he's moved on from it.
 
I'm sure there is a hell of a lot of backstabbing in the wrestling business, and plenty of wrestlers who don't like each other. In an industry such as wrestling, that is always going to happen. People become jealous of others, suspicious of long-term friends and over-protective of their spot on the card.

If you really want to know more about who hates who, look up some of the shoot promos that are on YouTube, where wrestlers go into depth over backstage issues, fights and people they hate.

I know Scott Steiner hates alot of people, definitely Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels and Triple H.

Shane Douglas has been very anti-Shawn Michaels in the past, blaming The Kliq for how his WWE career went.

Jim Cornette is well known for hating Vince Russo

There are many, many stories you'll hear if you get into the Shoot interviews.
 
Shane Douglas's hatred of Ric Flair was legendary, although Flairs line about Douglas wanting to fight him "get him to take the needle out and I'll fight him. Without the needle in his ass my kid is bigger than him" gives Flair the win for me.

Dynamite Kid vs the world sounds as close to understanding Dynamite as you could get...would have loved to see him & Scott Steiner in the same locker room!

Bischoff & Flair was quite interesting, especially as it stems from Bischoff basically refusing to take Flair's shit anymore and Flair deciding to act like a 5 year old...
 
Everyone hates The Kliq back then. They didnt only tried to run the business but they go around destroying people's life and getting them fired. Bunch of assclowns really...

I think there is some heat between Ziggler and Cena for whatever reasons... Im sure they dont see eye to eye.
 
In Naitch's book he is very vocal about his dislike of Eric Bischoff and when both of them were working in WWE, he asked Arn Anderson to "mind the dooe" and then threw Bisch to the floor, threatening to take his eye out.

He also is very critical of Vince Russo and Hulk Hogan- especially regarding the time Hogan was whipping David Flair in the ring with his heavy belt when David was just an untrained kid.

Ric says he could "go back and forth" with his dislike of Russo and Hogan but the only one he'd never forgive was Bischoff... "FUCK NO"

I guess his dislike of these guys didn't matter when Flair, Eric and Hogan were part of the same faction in TNA "Immortal"...or maybe being so skint and desperate for money made Flair forget his principles.
 
Ziggler has stated he doesn't like Cena in some interviews I have seen, but Ziggler is just stuck on a high horse because he thinks he is better than he is. Same with Chavo.

I can't remember but I think Undertaker and DDP had issues back in the day.

Everyone knows the Matt and Edge ordeal

I don't know if this counts, but The Miz was thrown out of the locker room by Chris Benoit for eating chicken over someone's bag.

JBL legit beat up blue meanie on One Night Stand 2005.

That's about all I've got
 
Bischoff & Flair was quite interesting, especially as it stems from Bischoff basically refusing to take Flair's shit anymore and Flair deciding to act like a 5 year old...

What "shit" did Bischoff take from Flair ??? Flair was the one who got Hogan & Savage to join WCW in the first place (and put himself out there losing to them in high profile matches as part of the bait), and lost every time Bischoff asked him too. Flair put over Brett Hart without complaint, put over the NWO in the War Games 97, lost to Hogan in a Retirement Match so that Hogan could have a chance to get over with the WCW crowd without competing for fans with Flair, he did a skit dressed in drag, spent weeks in a mental hospital storyline, and had an onscreen heart attack (In Atlanta, right after Falcons Coach Dan Reeves had one)....all without complaint. If anything, Flair was the one "taking Shit" from Bischoff because he was a rival for the audience with Hogan.

If Bischoff really was tired of Flair's "shit" he had ample opportunity to release him, Flair was in talks with WWE in 1997 when WCW immediately offered him a "Letter Of Intent" outlining details of a forth coming contract, imploring Flair to sign (which would bind him temporarily to WCW while final contract details were worked, ending any discussion with WWE). When no contract was presented and Flair was denied time off to spend with his son (ironically after he had been written off TV for two months without explanation when he was ready and available for work) Flair did complain, and Bischoff immediately sued him. Flair again was in contact with WWE and they were interested, but Bischoff insisted that the "letter of intent" was still binding. WWE even had plans for Flair to appear on RAW in the spring of 98 but were scrapped due to on going lawsuits between the companies and the threat of more litigation. Again, if Bischoff was tired he easily could have let Flair walk, just he did Austin, Big Show, Waltman, & Jarrett among others. Bischoff instead continued screwing around until the "We Want Flair" and "Free Flair" protests got to be so overwhelming he was forced to bring him back. Bischoff knew Flair was a money maker and knew McMahon & RAW would reap major rewards with him so he kept him tied up yet at the same time tried to diminish his popularity and marketability by keeping him off screen as much as possible.

Bischoff was the only one giving people "shit"....just ask several other WCW employees at the time who weren't too happy with his leadership.

As for real life backstage dramas....Hogan & Savage had an on again/off again friendship that was damaged for the last time during their WCW run where Savage felt Hogan used him (Savage was always asked to put over Hogan's opponents so that he didn't have too, Hogan always getting the best of Savage in every face off between them). Savage was VERY vocal about his dislike for Hogan during the last year's of his life, although he was generally complimentary about his other prominent on screen rivals, always complimenting Flair, Steamboat, DiBiase, etc.

A LOT of people did not like Ultimate Warrior, he had a bad rep backstage for attitude and a worse one in the ring for sloppy ring work. While he and Hogan had a legendary off screen feud (mostly fueled by Warrior's internet rants) Warrior had legit heat with Rick Rude, Bobby Heenan, and some heat with Flair for the ear injury he caused him.

Hart & HBK got along well early on, their real life bitterness evolved over time as both were striving to be the #1 guy. Very similar to Dusty Rhodes & Flair although those two seemed to patch up much of their differences. Hart has been very vocal about his dislike for Hogan over Hogan's alleged refusal to put him over in 1993 (Hogan, who has chided Hart many times himself, says he was never asked by Vince to put over Hart, it was always Yokozuna).

Was there ever a better case of real life heat behind the scenes than Arn Anderson & Sid Viscious ....their hotel brawl landed them both in the hospital with stab wounds!!!!

Steiner just rants all the time...on Vince, Hogan, Flair, HHH, HBK, and sometimes even Bischoff, It's hard to tell how much is legit and how much is just for attention. Hogan was the one who OK'd Steiner's inclusion into the NWO angle and character change into his Big Poppa Pump heel persona which was the biggest moment of his career, and enabled him to get a million dollar pay raise from Bischoff. Flair was the one who got him hired in WCW as a favor to his brother Rick when no one else was particularly interested in him, Vince hired him TWICE, not many guys get fired from Vince and are invited back, and booked him in top level programs both times. HHH main evented PPVs against him in WWE, giving him big paydays he otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Not sure why he doesn't like HBK but since seemingly everyone else on his hit list was a major benefactor of his success at some point Im guessing HBK probably did something nice for him too.

Allegedly there was heat between HBK & The Rock back in the 90s, and Rock allegedly refused to wrestle him, no one talks about that much today.
 
Shane Douglas's hatred of Ric Flair was legendary, although Flairs line about Douglas wanting to fight him "get him to take the needle out and I'll fight him. Without the needle in his ass my kid is bigger than him" gives Flair the win for me.

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Funny thing about Douglas, he has said in interviews over the years that his Anti Flair rants during his ECW days were a work, he actually liked him, it was just a way to get noticed, which he supposedly confessed to during his last WCW run.
 
Jessie Ventura didn't exactly care for Hulk Hogan and I don't think that a there are a whole lot of wrestlers who like today especially after suing Chris Kyle and now his widow.
 
Allegedly there was heat between HBK & The Rock back in the 90s, and Rock allegedly refused to wrestle him, no one talks about that much today.

The way I understand that one, was when the Rock was first breaking into the WWF, it was at the time that Michaels was at the height of his douchiness. HBK didn't like the Rock, wasn't the nicest to him backstage, and tried to hold him down. Don't ask me for specifics. That's just the general story I've heard over the years.

The Rock never forgot that, and later on wouldn't work with him.
 
The funny think about Hogan is the stories you hear about people (like Brett Hart, Savage, Ultimate Warrior) not getting along with him all seem to stem from his control over his booking and how it affected others. Of course, wrestlers do not have unions, they don't have guaranteed money (even today WWE can cut wrestlers part way through their deals at a fraction of cost, similar to NFL), and much of their earning power comes from how they are booked on screen (IE how they are perceived by fans). A crooked or vengeful promoter/booker or maybe just a really incompetent one can do a lot of harm to a wrestlers career. They are Independent Contractors with no health care or retirement who ironically despite their independent status rely heavily on the work of others to maximize their earning potential. Hogan, regardless of anything else ever said about him, was probably the very best at protecting and maximizing his brand and making money (usually both for himself and the promotion).

That's not too say he couldn't have "given back" a bit as others have in terms of working with and establishing top talent, at the very least he could have given one pinfall victory to Savage in all those years. I disagreed with his decision to change the Clash 94 outcome vs Flair to a DQ feeling there was much better money involved in the tie breaker match if he fell vs Flair clean in what would have been their second WCW match, then win the feud and title and match series outright in the cage match blow off at Halloween Havoc.

Bottom line, it's up to the performers to protect themselves and Hogan was great at it, maybe a bit too good, but that is usually where his back stage conflicts over the years have stemmed from.
 
Yeah, there are numerous stories about how Hogan was always looking out for himself, often at the expense of what was right for business, or holding back other wrestlers to keep himself in the limelight. Even in the last couple of years, TNA became the Hulk Hogan show on occasion, even though Hulk wasn'y physically able to compete.

Another example of close friends in the wrestling business is Arn Anderson and Ric Flair. Those two were constant members of the Horseman faction while others were chopped and changed over time. Flair and Arn remain close friends to this day, and when Naitch was suffering with anxiety problems and personal issues while NWA World Champion, it was Double A to helped him out. Flair was also good friends with "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Harley Race.
 
In Fairness to Flair; he was a great talent in his Prime. I think the problem with WCW around the time he fell out with bischoff was that everyone was seeking creative control. Bischoff disrespected Flair because he felt Flair had disobeyed a direct order by not showing up to an event. But Flair had sought permission. Even if he had not; he should not have threatened Flair the way he did. Flair had been the spine of most of the best times of Jim Crockett Promotions and WCW. He had represented the NWA; without which WCW and WWF would never have been possible. It was disgusting. BUT it was also wrong of Flair to go for Bischoff in the dressing room backstage at Raw.

The two have apparenlty made peace of this and worked together with no further incidents in WCW and TNA.

As for the Rock and HBK; Rock felt HBK had been unprofessional and rude to his Grandmother in the 1980s during an event she was promoting. He then saw HBK at his worst during his early WWF days 1996-1998 and keep in mind that the Rock's mentor in WWF in the early days was Bret Hart.
 
This is what I heard happened between The Rock and Shawn Michaels.

Shawn Michaels disrespected The Rock's grand mother at some show she was promoting in the late 80s. Then fast forward to 17 years later, The Rock was a rookie in WWE and Shawn Michaels was at the top of the food chain and also the biggest douchebag. It is said that Shawn Michaels was politicking for Triple H to become a star, while holding The Rock down. Also, I'm pretty sure Shawn Michaels said or did something to The Rock that got The Rock pissed off, but he couldn't do anything to the top star in the company.

Even after Shawn Michaels left after WrestleMania XIV, he was still influential and tried to get Triple H to the top while keeping The Rock down. Also, I personally feel that Shawn Michaels was growing insecure of The Rock's growin popularity, even though he himself wasn't wrestling anymore.

The WrestleMania XV story is a famous one. The main event was supposed to be Austin VS Rock VS Foley. But Shawn Michaels got into the ears of Austin and Vince, and convinced them how the main event match should always be a singles match, thus hoping to kick out The Rock and having Austin VS Foley.
That backfired though, and led to Foley being kicked out, which probably got Shawn Michaels heat from Foley.

So, in 2002/2003 when Rock was asked to have a match with Shawn Michaels, he flat out refused. Cant really blame him.
 
Jim Cornettes hates dozens of people, but the people he hates doesn't really seem to care. Like Vince Russo, Sable, Ed Ferrara, Sable, Kevin Dunn, etc.

Austin had a strong dislike for Jeff Jarrett cause apparently Jeff Jarrett was a total dick to the rest of the wrestlers, including Austin, in Jarrett's promotion. So when Vince Russo wanted to start a feud between Austin and Jarrett, Austin refused. Because of Austin's podcast, it's clear that Austin is close friends with Kevin Nash, Jim Ross and DDP.

The Undertaker. He's been in the business for like 25 years, and he doesn't have heat with anyone. Tell you a lot, doesn't it?
 
The Undertaker. He's been in the business for like 25 years, and he doesn't have heat with anyone. Tell you a lot, doesn't it?

I don't know whether it's true or not, but there's a rumor that Brian Lee had an affair with The Undertaker's first wife in the 90's and as a result, Taker had Lee blackballed. Some versions of the story say that it took place during the Undertaker vs. Undertaker feud in 94 though, which doesn't make any sense, as Lee still wrestled for the WWF as Chainz of the DOA three years later. If the story is true, it likely happened in 1998.

Undertaker disliked DDP when he arrived in 2001, and he made sure that he squashed DDP at Summerslam.

There's also a famous story about Undertaker threatening to knock out Shawn Michaels backstage at Wrestlemania 14 if he refused to put over Austin. Shawn's denied the story, but Jim Cornette and Undertaker himself have confirmed it.


As for Shawn Michaels and The Rock, I wonder how genuine Rock is here at the WWE Hall Of Fame 2008.

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Rock mentions that he always wanted to face HBK, he and Shawn are pretty friendly with each other here, they seem to have put their beef behind them, but for all we know Rock could just have been putting on a show and only saying it because the fans wanted to hear it.
 
In Naitch's book he is very vocal about his dislike of Eric Bischoff and when both of them were working in WWE, he asked Arn Anderson to "mind the dooe" and then threw Bisch to the floor, threatening to take his eye out.

He also is very critical of Vince Russo and Hulk Hogan- especially regarding the time Hogan was whipping David Flair in the ring with his heavy belt when David was just an untrained kid.

Ric says he could "go back and forth" with his dislike of Russo and Hogan but the only one he'd never forgive was Bischoff... "FUCK NO"

I guess his dislike of these guys didn't matter when Flair, Eric and Hogan were part of the same faction in TNA "Immortal"...or maybe being so skint and desperate for money made Flair forget his principles.

You could say the same thing for Brett Hart and his willingness to work for Vince McMahon.

Flair also praised Russo as someone who tried to honor his word, especially in relation to getting him back pay WCW tried to deny while taking time off for shoulder surgery. He didn’t criticize him as a person near as much as he was critical of his booking style and attributed much of his WWE success to being part of a group dynamic booking wise and not the head guy.
He also praised Hogan’s charity work, really putting over his Make A Wish Foundation work, and stated he and Hogan could deal with their differences face to face and Hogan wasn’t one to tell him one thing and do another.
He WAS critical of Bischoff as a person though, alluding to a level of dishonesty that was pretty rare in his book. The only other person he really took aim in the book was Fritz Von Erich, for his constant covering up of his son’s drug issues.

Based on that I wouldn’t call him “enemies” behind the scenes with Hogan or Russo, but he definitely had a personal dislike for Bischoff.
 

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