I don't like him. Very boring.
Razor
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I don't like him. Very boring.
Unless you were intending to somehow imply that face vs. face matches can't have psychology, I'm not sure why you allowed yourself to post these sentences. Then again, I just woke up. I'm probably dazed and confused.
Yeah you've never even seen a Kobashi match. You don't know what you're talking about. The man is one of the greatest professional wrestlers to ever live.
So yeah, I'm waiting Razor. I literally analyzed just about every single spot in that match just for you. I believe I've thoroughly debunked all of your points.
I was giving a legitimate play by play. By the end of the match I realized that Joe was doing a face vs. face with Kobashi, but what I posted was what I thought as each spot came up.
Not every match is perfect? But Xfear submitted it as a unimpeachable account of a perfect indy match. And besides, that match wasn't all that good. Joe is a bitch at selling.
Did you read my last paragraph? It obviously said that I didn't think the entire match was bad. It was Joe's selling. I can't enjoy a match if the entire story is built around a chop that Joe refuses to sell half the time.
I'll be there. I fell asleep last night in the middle of the Danielson/McGuinness match. That's not a shot, I was just shit tired.
I would type just a "<3" or something here, but Xfear would just quote it and tell me to stop being a "Mini-Slyfox." I will say this though, I agree with this post.
Cena's Little Helper
Mid-Card Championship Winner
xfearbefore has given an in-depth analysis of why this match is great, and I have yet to see anyone give a well-reasoned rebuttal.
Also, seriously, let's stop throwing around the word psychology here, or at least read a few wrestling bios before you use it again.
Also, seriously, let's stop throwing around the word psychology here, or at least read a few wrestling bios before you use it again.
Freddy4190
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Yeah, I haven't watched barely any ROH. I've seen some shit matches. I've seen some good ones. Nigel McGuinness is a fucking GOD. That lariat > JBLs clothesline.
A) Never did I call that a perfect match. In fact I said several times that I had it rated at about **** 1/4 out of five stars. I RARELY if ever hand out a perfect rating.
B) Joe is perfectly fine at selling, you were just looking for an excuse to criticize the match.
How you could doubt the great STORY that was told in that ring, I'll never know. I thoroughly debunked every silly criticism you made man.
Thank you TDigs. I literally sat there and analyzed that match from start to finish, constantly pausing and rewinding, and the match is still a damn good one even after I've seen it damn near a dozen times.
And I agree completely about psychology. People throw that word around so often on here that it's quite obvious many have no fucking idea what it even is.
It's...Baylariat!
Team Finnley Baylor
Look. It is what it is. A man gives his reasons for a match to be great, then someone else tries to come up with a reason to debunk that theory, when in essence, the person doing the rebuttal doesn't really like the product in the first place... OR is wanting to debate just to debate something. ROH is great. The wrestlers were great. The entire show's worth watching. Doesn't mean it appeals to the masses. Just the hardcore, old schoolers who crave a good, well thought out match instead of weak, scripted promos and even weaker matches. Look at Shawn Michaels and Undertaker. Because once they're gone, there's no more people to carry the old school mantle. Matches will be droll, with a weak storyline and a last second angle. Nothing's thought out. Nothing's built up.
And Joe sells fine. No selling chops is nothing new. Ask Luger or Sting. Ask Ronnie Garvin. Ask anyone in the 80's in a Ric Flair match that no sold chops. They all did. That doesn't make it a bad match.
And Joe sells fine. No selling chops is nothing new. Ask Luger or Sting. Ask Ronnie Garvin. Ask anyone in the 80's in a Ric Flair match that no sold chops. They all did. That doesn't make it a bad match.
It was actually quite good Razor, you're just trying to find excuses to hate the match. The criticisms you laid out of this match is some of the stupidest most petty shit I've ever seen someone try to scrape the barrell with. The match sucked because the crowd was loud...the match sucked because there was a 2 count in the first few minutes of the match...the match sucks because Kobashi threw too many chops....I mean you were REALLY scraping the barrel trying to find something wrong there.
That and I guarantee you would never mount the same criticisms against a WWE match.
That and I guarantee you would never mount the same criticisms against a WWE match.
You're just distilling my review down to 3 points that weren't even the main point of my argument. It sucked because Joe can't sell worth shit. It sucked because his selling of Kobashi's chops was shit, and his selling of his own offense was shit.
You obviously have never seen me critique a Benjamin match, then. That fucker can't do anything right.
Thoroughly trounced your ass again Razor.
We'll see how this goes.
1) You defend Cena almost as much as I do.
2) Give me a shitty Cena match. I guarantee you if it deserves it, it'll get a multitude of my smart ass remarks.
I brought up a specific Cena match in my response infact Razor. Seeing as how Joe's selling is what you claim makes the match terrible, I brought up Cena vs. HBK at Wrestlemania 23 and the infamously atrocious selling on Cena's part. I sure hope you think that match sucks as much as the ROH one. Since selling is apparently all that matters in a match. That and the ref's count.
Good idea. After all the match only happened what...almost 3 years ago now? And the selling wasn't even that bad, considering he did shake his leg out a couple of times?
