It fucking hurts? You just said his arm was tired and it doesn't have much force behind it. How does that hurt? That's just silly, and you defeating your own argument.
No, you're just twisting my words. His arm did get tired for performing the chops, as anyone's arm would, but the first flurry of chops were impactful and definitely painful, you can tell from the swelling on Joe's chest. Why is it such a problem that he laid some chops on the guy in the corner? I've never heard anyone start calling out Flair for doing the same.
That'd be a good point, if I had actually started watching ROH when I thought it sucked, and NOT when I thought it was supposed to be great. But see, unlike you, I can watch something and form my own opinion of it, and not just go along with what everyone else says about it.
Oh yes, I'm a sheep, of course! That's why I so often agree with what the majority of our posters on here say, right? That must be why we're arguing right now, because I love following the crowd. You're right Sly, I saw those indie hipsters watching their ROH and I said "Hey! Those guys are COOL! I must be one!"
Yep, you caught me Sly. That's me, Mr. Sheep. I follow all the coolest trends, didn't you know?
But seriously Sly, realistically, how could every single fucking ROH match suck? Do you like ANY match from ROH history? I mean, you know your math, do you not? The odds of every single match in thousands and thousands of matches being shit are absolutely astronomical, if not downright impossible.
Another great point, except I was watching ROH matches before I ever liked Cena, and before it was cool to hate on Cena.
Really I was just referring to the crowd's penchant for chanting things like "Fuck John Cena", which I think is completely and totally fucking stupid and makes me ashamed to be watching ROH. That said the sometimes idiotic crowds aside, it's obvious that there is one particular style of wrestling that you enjoy, and John Cena is excellent in that brawling style.
I just don't know what the hell you have against ROH. You're a fan of AJ Styles and Shelton Benjamin, but ROH sucks because it's full of spot monkeys? That just doesn't make any sense to me man.
Here was the first ROH DVD I bought:
If you do your research, you'll see the show was held back in 2002. I probably got it in 2003 or 2004 (I know it was my first year of college).
I reviewed the Nigel vs. Danielson match from Unified, and I BELIEVE I posted a review of Driven 2007 (and if I didn't, I know I wrote up most of it) in which I blasted ROH fans for being so anti "sports entertainment" while enjoying a show which saw Sydal join a faction, Austin Aries come out of the crowd to clear the ring, etc. I also blasted the show for putting a 4 minute World title match before a taped non-title match between Danielson and Nigel. I gave decent praise to the opening six man tag match, calling it a decent opener, bashed Claudio as a terrible worker, and mentioned I was halfway impressed with one of the Briscoes.
2002 and 2003 ROH was just getting started, those were some of the weakest cards they ever held. Night of Appreciation is a pretty good card from their first year outside of it's awful opener.
But ROH really didn't hit their stride until around 2004.
I honestly don't know if I posted the Driven review, but I know the Nigel vs. Danielson review is somewhere. I called it something like "Slyfox gives ROH another chance).
I'll have to search for it. What's your take on Danielson and Nigel? Hate them?
*shakes head*
You obviously don't understand the term spot monkey. I know what a spot is. A spot monkey, though, is a worker who goes from spot to spot, with no reasonable or logical transition in between.
I just talked about that actually. That's the only time I'd consider calling a wrestler a "spot monkey", but in essence every wrestler with a patented routine of moves in their match could be called a spot monkey.
Take the Savage vs. Steamboat match from WM 3, for example. Almost the entire match was planned out ahead of time, but since the transition from spot to spot was flawless and believable, it wouldn't fit under the spot monkey term.
And neither would I, I just talked about that in my post before addressed to Doc.
Like I said, if you knew what the term meant, then you'd understand.
Still waiting to hear about how Nigel and Danielson are spot monkeys.
I've seen plenty of indy matches...doesn't change the fact that most of it sucks. Look no further than CM Punk and Samoa Joe. The former GODS of indy wrestling, look how long it took them to EVER make a mark for themselves in the WWE.
Yeah CM Punk has been in the WWE for less than four years and is already a multiple time World Champion. What in the fuck are you talking about? When did that become a long time to hit the main event? Took HBK, Hart, Flair, Austin, and most other major stars of wrestling much longer than that to win their first World Titles. How has CM Punk's WWE run been anything other than a complete success? He just main evented and won the Summerslam main event Sly in a match people are hailing. How has Punk's WWE career been anything other than a story of success?
Some would argue that both Punk and Joe STILL haven't proven themselves as worthy main-eventers, despite MASSIVE pushes over the years.
Anyone who would argue that would be wrong too. Punk has proven his worth as a main eventer this year in the WWE, and the main event in TNA isn't nearly as prestigious as the WWEs main event so Joe really can come and go in the TNA main event scene as he pleases and it's completely believable. He is a former World Champion.
At the end of the day, Indy wrestling is a place for those with potential to be picked up by those with quality. Those with quality then work and shape and mold those with potential to try and make them good workers.
It has nothing to do with the WWE, it has to do with quality wrestling.
I want you to give me an indy match that IS a good wrestling match Sly. Because I really don't believe that you could believe that all of indy wrestling sucks.
