Rank The Film Series Thread

[Mitch Henessey]

You absolutely cretin! Fast and Furious was going to my one! Everyone was going to lift me up on their shoulders and crown me the Philosopher King. Oh well, it'll happen eventually.

Ah! I pulled the trigger too soon! I was actually waiting for someone else to do Fast & Furious, and then I could just quote whoever did it, and agree or disagree.

Night Of The Demons

1. Night Of The Demons (1988)
2. Night Of The Demons (2009)
3. Night Of The Demons 2
4. Night Of The Demons 3

I love grotesque and campy 80's horror comedies, so the 1988 original is an easy pick for me. Great soundtrack, fantastic cast, and I refuse to trash any film with Linnea Quigley. The third film is shit, though.

Sleepaway Camp

1. Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland
2. Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers
3. Sleepaway Camp
4. Sleepaway Camp IV: The Survivor
5. Return to Sleepaway Camp

Teenage Wasteland features the most creative and brutal deaths in the entire series, and Pamela Springsteen delivers her best performance as Angela here. I have the same feelings for Unhappy Campers, but I give the edge to Teenage Wasteland for the better ending.

The Survivor looks like a choppy mess, but it was shutdown during production in the early 90's, restarted in 2012, and completed in the same year. So I guess you have to give it a pass for bizarre circumstances. Still, it's an awful film. Return To Sleepaway Camp is just dogshit. It's a dull and uninspired straight-to-video slasher flick with a terrible cast, and lame story. Also, I'm not 100%, but Return To Sleepaway Camp could've been the last film to feature Isaac Hayes. I'm not 100% sure, because I know Soul Men received a release during this time.

But don't waste your time with Return or Survivor. Once you get past Teenage Wasteland, just stop. Survivor is an eyesore, and Return is a real chore to sit through.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Here's some more

Chronicles of Narnia
" " " " II
" " " " III

The first one was the best. I feel the next two really failed to live up to the original. Having never read the books or heard of the series before the film came out, I had no idea what to expect but I must admit that the first one was a real treat to watch. They sequels had their moments, but the films turned out to be a real letdown when compared to the first one.


Pirates of the Caribbean

Pirates of the Caribbean
" " " : Dead Man's Chest
" " " " : AT World's End
" " " " :
I found the first one, ran a little long, but Depp's performance was just on the money in all aspects. I saw the last two and they were okay, and had some great sequences, but first one just really hit the right chord with me. I have yet to see the last one, so I must keep it to the first 3. But I plan to see that one soon.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Child's Play

1. Child's Play
2. Child's Play 2
3. Child's Play 3
4. Bride Of Chucky
5. Seed Of Chucky

Finally ran through my Chucky box set, and I dusted off my copy of the original. Ranking the Chucky series is an easy open and shut case, unfortunately. The series just gets worse after each film.

I wish I could tie Bride Of Chucky and Seed Of Chucky together for the bottom spots, because both are equally horrendous. Ever wondered what it would be like if Jason or Michael Myers had a female counterpart? Well, Bride and Seed had a chance to give horror fans something different, but they fucked it up, badly. Seed actually has a scene, where they show Chucky *********ing in some sort of creepy silhouette POV.

Brad Dourif's is mainly known for being the voice of Chucky, and his voice is eerily familiar to Danny De Vito's voice in each film. Dourif is a good, slimy bad guy. Not only as Chucky, but also as a normal man. Remember, he played Wormtongue in The Two Towers (I also think he's in the extended version of Return Of The King), the Deputy in Mississippi Burning, and more recently, Dourif was a shady holy water salesman in Priest. Also, I think he had a part in Alien Resurrection as a mad doctor type of character. Although, he was a good guy, as the Sheriff in Rob Zombie's Halloween remakes. Anyway, Dourif's been around for a while, and I haven't seen all of his films, but he's a reliable and entertaining villain.

Curse Of Chucky, the straight-to-video sequel, is supposed to have a release this Halloween, and of course, I'll give it a try. Nothing can possibly be worse than Seed or Bride.

I'll do Evil Dead sometime this weekend, just wanting until Friday for the remake. Only four more days. Ugh, it feels like an eternity.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Here's some more

Chronicles of Narnia
" " " " II
" " " " III

The first one was the best. I feel the next two really failed to live up to the original. Having never read the books or heard of the series before the film came out, I had no idea what to expect but I must admit that the first one was a real treat to watch. They sequels had their moments, but the films turned out to be a real letdown when compared to the first one.

Chronicles of Narnia
1. The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe
2. Voyage of the Dawn Treader
3. Prince Caspian

I agree with you that the first was the best and the other two were a step down in quality from the first.... The second is better than the third though. I found Prince Caspian to be rather boring. Too much fighting and not enough story for my taste.

Pirates of the Caribbean

Pirates of the Caribbean
" " " : Dead Man's Chest
" " " " : AT World's End
" " " " :
I found the first one, ran a little long, but Depp's performance was just on the money in all aspects. I saw the last two and they were okay, and had some great sequences, but first one just really hit the right chord with me. I have yet to see the last one, so I must keep it to the first 3. But I plan to see that one soon.

You need to see the newest one, it's good. Anyways here are my rankings of that series:

Pirates of the Caribbean
1. Curse of the Black Pearl
2. On Stranger Tides
3. Dead Man's Chest
4. At World's End

The first is still the best. The fourth was a huge step up from the disappointing third film and I honestly found it better than the second film, which is also very good. The whole series is great other than the third which mostly sucked in comparison to the rest.

 

[Mr. HD]

Child's Play

1. Child's Play
2. Child's Play 2
3. Child's Play 3
4. Bride Of Chucky
5. Seed Of Chucky

Finally ran through my Chucky box set, and I dusted off my copy of the original. Ranking the Chucky series is an easy open and shut case, unfortunately. The series just gets worse after each film.

I wish I could tie Bride Of Chucky and Seed Of Chucky together for the bottom spots, because both are equally horrendous. Ever wondered what it would be like if Jason or Michael Myers had a female counterpart? Well, Bride and Seed had a chance to give horror fans something different, but they fucked it up, badly. Seed actually has a scene, where they show Chucky *********ing in some sort of creepy silhouette POV.

I can't even begin to explain to you how much I hated Seed of Chucky. Good God that was a horrible movie. When Tiffany dressed him up as a girl and then there was that one scene right out of a Soap Opera where the kid goes, "YOU'RE TEARING US APART!" I couldn't take it. At least Bride of Chucky had some good comedy to make up for its lack of horror and suspense.



I'll do Pirates of the Carribean just for the hell of it.

Pirates of the Caribbean:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Curse of the Black Pearl was an exceptionally good movie. Loved the cast, loved the dialogue, loved the overall story and it didn't seem like it ran that long to me. I enjoyed every bit of it. Barbossa is a badass.

Dead Man's Chest, on the other hand, was just a little boring to me. It's sad the best part of the movie was the ending when Barbossa came back. At World's End deserves that second spot because of the awesome Ship fighting scene towards the end of the movie in that hurricane type atmosphere. It was very well done IMO. Only gripe is that it was ridiculously long.

I enjoyed the performance of Blackbeard in On Stranger Tides and Penelope Cruz is great to look at. I don't know about everybody else, but I missed Orlando Bloom and Kiera Knightly in this film. I know some people didn't like them, but they added a lot to the story and the characters. Just wasn't the same without them.


One more.

The Mummy:

The Mummy
The Mummy Returns
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor

Nothing beats the original Mummy. It had an exceptionally great balance of action and story and didn't overload too many of either. Plus, it was really funny too. The Mummy is just well rounded in so many ways. Great film. One of my favorites actually.

Here's where it gets tough. I LOVED Tomb of the Dragon Emperor. It had so many kickass action scenes, a Yeti, a 3 headed Dragon, and it had Jet Li. What more can you ask for, right?

Well, I had only 2 small gripes with this movie. Call me picky, but I hated that they replaced Rachel Weisz. I liked the new girl, but Rachel Weisz is just better overall in spades to me. She showed her innocent side in the first one and you could see how the experience changed her character into the second one when she was more of a badass when she fought Anacksunamun (?) and even when those guys invaded her house and she fought them off. Also, how can Brendan Frasier's character look the same throughout the three movies and his kid looked like he was in his 20s? Even Johnathan looked like he aged a little.

I thought Mummy Returns was simple, yet effective. Tomb of the Dragon Emperor was kickass, but so many little things put me off about it.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Evil Dead

1. Evil Dead 2
2. Evil Dead
3. Evil Dead (2013)
4. Army Of Darkness

I know, I know. Some will take it as blasphemy to rank the new film over Army Of Darkness, but Evil Dead 2013 is just that damn good. It's an extreme bloodbath of carnage and vicious violence, and the runtime just flies by. Fede Alvarez produced an outstanding debut film behind the camera, and I'm still buzzing over Jane Levy's awesomeness.

Evil Dead 2 gets my pick for the number one spot, and I still enjoy it more than original. More laughs, more intense brutal, gory mayhem, and Evil Dead 2 starts out with a bang, and never lets up. Evil Dead will always be a classic, but it takes a while for the movie to kick into high gear. Evil Dead 2 is an adrenaline rush from start to finish, but Bobby Joe is kind of annoying.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Beverly Hills Cop

Beverly Hills Cop 1

Best of the series and clearly Eddie Murphy at his best. The story was good, but his performance made the flick what it was. Now it might not be every one's cup of tea (white officers being schooled by the black officer) that might put people off in this day and age.

Beverly Hills Cop 2

Good, as good (or almost as good ) as the first. He was a little more laid back in this one I found.

Beverly Hills Cop 3

Not good, and hated the story.



Rush Hour

Rush Hour 1

Best of the series. This film made ( or seriously helped) Jackie Chan. The story was solid and the action in this film was pretty damn good. Chris Tucker hasn't been as good in anything since. He was the right pitch all the way.
Buddy buddy films weren't anything new when this movie came out, but still this flick was pretty good.

Rush Hour 2

I didn't like it as much as the first one, action wasn't as solid as the first, but it might just be that we saw too many films with martial arts action scenes since the first one.

Rush Hour 3

It was okay. The story was ok, the action was ok. I mean the last two films seemed like they were done just to cash in, which I don't mind, but you still have to entertain me, if you want to take my money.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Chronicles of Narnia
1. The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe
2. Voyage of the Dawn Treader
3. Prince Caspian

I agree with you that the first was the best and the other two were a step down in quality from the first.... The second is better than the third though. I found Prince Caspian to be rather boring. Too much fighting and not enough story for my taste.


I guess you mean Voyage of the Dawn Treader (third one) is better than Prince Caspian (the second ) ? I can appreciate that. I didn't like the third one, because it didn't have the two older kids, and the kid that played the cousin, just annoyed the hell out of me. I just hated seeing him on the screen, he was just the Jar Jar Binks of the film. Just my two cents.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Beverly Hills Cop

1. Beverly Hills Cop II
2. Beverly Hills Cop
3. Beverly Hills Cop III

Part 3 is absolutely hideous in every way imaginable. The worst story of the franchise, terrible, TERRIBLE jokes, and it's a PG-13 film masquerading as a lame R-rated "action" comedy. An easy 0/10 for me. And to make things worse, they turned Rosewood into a wimp.....again. He finally breaks out of his shell in Part 2, and for some inexcusable reason, they turn him into a whiny coward again?

Rush Hour

1. Rush Hour
2. Rush Hour 2
3. Rush Hour 3

Rush Hour 3 was a disgrace. A very lazy, money-grubbing sequel, and the odd couple routine between Chan and Tucker lost all of its luster here. It was a tired act, and Part 3 proved this in the worst way. A shame how Chris Tucker settled to make so many Rush Hour films over the years, because he made ridiculous amounts of money for each one. So much talent, and I know a lot of people will point to his current role in Silver Linings Playbook as the "he CAN do something besides James Carter" example, but I always take a look back at his role as a "Skip" in Dead Presidents. Just an amazing performance, but unfortunately, it's one of Tucker's forgotten roles.

Silent Night, Deadly Night (including the remake)

1. Silent Night, Deadly Night
2. Silent Night (2012)
3. Silent Night, Deadly Night 4: Initiation
4. Silent Night, Deadly Night 5: The Toy Maker
5. Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2
6. Silent Night, Deadly Night 3: Better Watch Out!

Tough call for the top spot, because the remake is a solid Christmas horror flick. But I give the slight edge to the original. Eric Freeman's nutty lunatic act is the only reason why I put Part 2 above Better Watch Out! Both films are shit, but Better Watch Out! is just too pretentious for my taste, and the shitty cast (minus Samantha Scully) really drags the entire movie down. But you could switch the order of the last two, and I wouldn't make a big fuss about it either way.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I guess you mean Voyage of the Dawn Treader (third one) is better than Prince Caspian (the second ) ? I can appreciate that. I didn't like the third one, because it didn't have the two older kids, and the kid that played the cousin, just annoyed the hell out of me. I just hated seeing him on the screen, he was just the Jar Jar Binks of the film. Just my two cents.

Yes, that is what I meant. I personally really disliked Prince Caspian. Dawn Treader was more enjoyable to me despite the two older kids not being there. I didn't mind the cousin much. Calling him the Jar Jar Binks of the film is a bit of a stretch, as no character in the Narnia universe is annoying enough to be called that. You're entitled to your opinion though.

Anyways, moving on to a series I am surprised has not been ranked yet....



THE AVENGERS
1. The Avengers
2. Thor
3. Iron Man 1
4. Iron Man 2
5. Hulk
6. Captain America

How can anyone NOT put The Avengers first in this series? It's being regarded as one of, if not THE best superhero movie of all time. As for the prequels.... Thor was my favorite. To me it had the best story, plus I have always liked the Thor character. I'm extremely fascinated by the Norse mythology that Thor is originally based on. Captain America was my least favorite, I was never a fan of the character to begin with and I found the film to be boring compared to the others. I can't wait for Iron Man 3 which is coming out soon as well as Thor 2 this fall.

 

[TLC]

The Avengers

1. The Avengers
2. Iron Man
3. Thor
4. Iron Man 2
5. Hulk
6. Captain America

Yeah, there's no way that you can vote anything other than The Avengers as number one, it was the biggest, the most bad ass, had the most action and was ultimately the best. The first Iron Man is the best stand alone movie. It was a great way for Robert Downey Jr. to showcase himself as Iron Man and Jeff Bridges was a great villain.

The rest of the movies are not great at all. You could probably interchange them anyway you want and it wouldn't make much of a difference. Thor was probably the best of them though, I guess. Chris Hemsworth is a good Thor and the whole cast was good, with Tom Hiddleston being the highlight. Iron Man 2 has such promise but it failed. In mind it was an awful sequel with Sam Rockwell playing Justin Hammer very well; I did like Don Cheadle as Roadie though. The Hulk and Captain America were both boring as hell, it's a shame as I'm a fan of both characters.

It's shocking that a movie as awesome as The Avengers has only put 1 great stand alone movie. Hopefully Iron Man 3 is as good as I hope it will be.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

The Hangover

1. The Hangover Part III
2. The Hangover
3. The Hangover Part II

To my own surprise, I really enjoyed Part III. FINALLY they got away from the go through the motions "we've been drugged, wake up into a strange situation, and have to retrace our steps to find missing person X" storylines used in the first two films. The original is harmless, but still HIGHLY overrated in my book, and the second film was god awful, one of the laziest sequels I've ever seen.

Part III on the other hand, caught me off guard.

Spoiler

I actually enjoyed the more serious approach of Alan becoming a man. Alan is forced to become a man after his father dies, and cut ties with Chow as a friend. Also, John Goodman was just fantastic. Killing off Mike Epps was probably his funniest scene, and the movie NEEDED more of him. Chow was still annoying as shit, though.

Fast & Furious

1. Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
2. Fast Five (2011)
3. The Fast & The Furious (2001)
4. Fast & Furious (2009)
5. The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
6. 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)

Strange. I don't know why, but I expected more from Gina Carano. Michelle Rodriguez's return was everything I was hoping for and more, and she had a few kick ass fight scenes with Carano.

Spoiler

And what a shocker during the credits. Revealing Jason Statham as the next villain AND the guy, who took out Hans? Amazing cliffhanger. Oh, and I didn't care about Gisele's death. Sorry, but the character never did anything for me.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'll go ahead and bump this. I was looking over this thread again out of boredom last night and noticed I had forgotten to update my Avengers series ranking when I saw Iron Man 3 a couple of months ago.

1. The Avengers
2. Thor
3. Iron Man 1
4. Iron Man 2
5. Hulk
6. Iron Man 3
7. Captain America

The new one was certainly my least favorite of the Iron Man trilogy and I place it in the bottom tier of the overall series, but Captain American remains the worst for me. I didn't find the Iron Man 3 film to be AS bad as some say, although the first two were indeed a lot better. I've got high expectations going into Thor 2 this fall though, still highly anticipating that one.

I'll be ranking X-Men next. I'm currently watching the older ones again as I had mostly forgotten what happened in them, it's been years since I last watched, and I have not seen First Class or the new Wolverine yet. Other than The Last Stand they were better than I remember. I'll rank those once I've finished watching the new ones sometime this week.

 

[TitusOneil]

For the Terminator series, I'd put it like this:

Terminator
Terminator II
Terminator Salvation
Terminator III

I personally find the first better than the second, even if only by a very little bit, because of some reason mentioned before by others; but also a few others. It was a low-budget neo-noir film and didn't have many expectations. Yet it turned out to be a massive hit, box office success and critical success. I can see why, too. I don't know, I just felt like it was downright brilliant. It has a dated, old film charm to it that, to me, prevents it from aging badly.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Right. I think Pirates was the only one I didn't do in here. And since I did a marathon of the entire franchise a few months ago.

Pirates Of The Caribbean:

1. The Curse of the Black Pearl
2. On Stranger Tides
3. Dead Man's Chest
4. At World's End

I can't remember why I bought at At World's End on DVD. Maybe it was on sale, or maybe I just wanted to feed my urge of completing my collection for every film franchise I care about. But yeah, At World's End is easily the shittiest film in the series. Awful, awful convoluted mess of a story, and the run time is beyond exhausting. Also, Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom should win some kind of award for the worst couple/love story in any fiction film.

I suppose I'll do Carrie, when the remake hits in a few months, but I'll have to watch the made for TV remake for the first time before I do that.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Although I have not seen the new Wolverine yet, I had stated long ago that I would rank the X-Men series in this thread. So....

X-Men
1. X2
2. First Class
3. X-Men
4. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
5. The Last Stand


A friend had recommended First Class, and I had been needing to watch the older ones again anyhow. I was very critical of them when they first got released as I felt they did not do the characters justice compared to the old cartoons. I was pleasantly surprised by the first two films being MUCH better than I remembered. X2 in particular was awesome. Origins is I don't quite see why people had so many issues with it, I personally liked it. Although I have not seen the new Wolverine yet, I've heard it's far superior so I still need to watch it at some point. First Class was extremely good, almost as good as X2. The Last Stand was just as abysmal this time around as it was the first time I saw it 6 years ago.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Also, Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom should win some kind of award for the worst couple/love story in any fiction film.

I'll see those two and raise you Anakin and Padme.

Back to the Future
Back to the Future III
Back to the Future II

I doubt anyone would argue with the original as the best. It's the second and third where people might think about it. The second's story is just too convoluted and poorly acted. Not to mention Michael J. Fox as a girl. The third at least is sort of fun in the Wild West and provides a solid conclusion to their story in the destruction of the original time machine. They did leave it open a little with the train time machine, but I'm glad nothing ever came of it.

 

[#tamale]

The second's story is just too convoluted and poorly acted.

The major plot hole in II bothers me. Future Biff goes back in time to give 1955 Biff the sports almanac. After he goes back to 2015 which is impossible since he already change the timeline. He would go to the alternate 2015. Now, the common explanation I hear is that you can see Future Biff "dying" when he goes back to the original 2015. Okay, so then why does that not happen when Marty and Doc go back to 1985 and are immediately in the alternate universe? That bothers me to no end. The original screenplay was much more interesting.

The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions

I just finished watching the entire trilogy. The 1st one is obviously great, although I feel Dark City is vastly superior. My problem is with Reloaded and Revolutions. They lack that charm the original Matrix had. Which leads me to believe that the Wachowski Bros. are one hit wonders. Everything they have been involved with after The Matrix has been underwhelming and/or mediocre.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I'll see those two and raise you Anakin and Padme.

God how could forget about those two. The love story between those two is the main reason why I can't stand Episode II.

I doubt anyone would argue with the original as the best. It's the second and third where people might think about it. The second's story is just too convoluted and poorly acted. Not to mention Michael J. Fox as a girl. The third at least is sort of fun in the Wild West and provides a solid conclusion to their story in the destruction of the original time machine. They did leave it open a little with the train time machine, but I'm glad nothing ever came of it.

Convoluted story? Eh, a rundown of what happened in III:

-Marty and 50's Doc dig up the buried time machine. Einstein finds the grave for old west Doc, and they find the story about Buford Tannen killing Doc.

-So instead of returning to 1985, Marty decides to go on a mission to save Doc in the 1800's.

-But instead, Marty takes Doc's place in the feud with Buford Tannen, putting his life in danger, so in the Polaroid with Doc's tombstone, it changes to Clint Eastwood's tombstone.

-Along the way, Doc falls in love with Clara, and then he feels bad about saving her from falling into the ravine, because Clara was supposed to die there. And we all know how Doc feels about altering history.

-Doc wants stay in the 1800's to be with Clara, but he tells Clara the truth about being from the future after having a talk with Marty, and afterwards, Clara wants nothing to do with him.

-Doc and Marty are trying to leave, but Marty has the showdown with Buford, so Marty has to come up with a plan to deal with Buford.

-But Clara has a change of heart, and she leaves her train to find Doc.

-They're on the train, Clara shows up, and Doc decides he wants to take Clara with them back to 1985. The train picks up speed, Clara is about die, Doc saves her with the hover board, and Marty goes back to 1985 by himself.

-Somehow Doc is able to make a futuristic flying train/time machine with resources in the 1800's, so he can come back and say hi to Marty and Jennifer in 1985?

-Remember how Doc lectured Marty about wanting to use Gray's Sports Almanac for personal gain in II? Doc making a willing and selfish choice to stay in the 1800's defies all kinds of logic for Doc's character, because his purpose for the DeLorean was to explore the pitfalls and possibilities in life through time travel, without making a selfish or greedy decision, that could alter the course of history.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

The major plot hole in II bothers me. Future Biff goes back in time to give 1955 Biff the sports almanac. After he goes back to 2015 which is impossible since he already change the timeline. He would go to the alternate 2015. Now, the common explanation I hear is that you can see Future Biff "dying" when he goes back to the original 2015. Okay, so then why does that not happen when Marty and Doc go back to 1985 and are immediately in the alternate universe? That bothers me to no end. The original screenplay was much more interesting.

How is it impossible? Remember how alternate '85 Biff killed George McFly, so he could be with Lorraine? Well, you don't see George in alternate 1985, because he's dead. Biff never died or was murdered in any of the timelines, so the old Biff could return to the future to enjoy the fortune that came from the almanac. And of course, Marty burning Gray's Sports Almanac, so that it would never exist set everything back to normal (until Doc was struck by lighting in the 50's of course).

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

God how could forget about those two. The love story between those two is the main reason why I can't stand Episode II.



Convoluted story? Eh, a rundown of what happened in III:

-Marty and 50's Doc dig up the buried time machine. Einstein finds the grave for old west Doc, and they find the story about Buford Tannen killing Doc.

-So instead of returning to 1985, Marty decides to go on a mission to save Doc in the 1800's.

-But instead, Marty takes Doc's place in the feud with Buford Tannen, putting his life in danger, so in the Polaroid with Doc's tombstone, it changes to Clint Eastwood's tombstone.

-Along the way, Doc falls in love with Clara, and then he feels bad about saving her from falling into the ravine, because Clara was supposed to die there. And we all know how Doc feels about altering history.

-Doc wants stay in the 1800's to be with Clara, but he tells Clara the truth about being from the future after having a talk with Marty, and afterwards, Clara wants nothing to do with him.

-Doc and Marty are trying to leave, but Marty has the showdown with Buford, so Marty has to come up with a plan to deal with Buford.

-But Clara has a change of heart, and she leaves her train to find Doc.

-They're on the train, Clara shows up, and Doc decides he wants to take Clara with them back to 1985. The train picks up speed, Clara is about die, Doc saves her with the hover board, and Marty goes back to 1985 by himself.

-Somehow Doc is able to make a futuristic flying train/time machine with resources in the 1800's, so he can come back and say hi to Marty and Jennifer in 1985?

-Remember how Doc lectured Marty about wanting to use Gray's Sports Almanac for personal gain in II? Doc making a willing and selfish choice to stay in the 1800's defies all kinds of logic for Doc's character, because his purpose for the DeLorean was to explore the pitfalls and possibilities in life through time travel, without making a selfish or greedy decision, that could alter the course of history.

How is it impossible? Remember how alternate '85 Biff killed George McFly, so he could be with Lorraine? Well, you don't see George in alternate 1985, because he's dead. Biff never died or was murdered in any of the timelines, so the old Biff could return to the future to enjoy the fortune that came from the almanac. And of course, Marty burning Gray's Sports Almanac, so that it would never exist set everything back to normal (until Doc was struck by lighting in the 50's of course).

I think it's safe to say there's all sorts of holes involved in those movies. There's websites dedicated to all the time travel plot holes alone. But they're still fun movies.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I think it's safe to say there's all sorts of holes involved in those movies. There's websites dedicated to all the time travel plot holes alone. But they're still fun movies.

Been on a kick with the Turtles over the past few days, and I don't think I did TMNT in here before so.....

1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)
2. TMNT (2007)
3. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze (1991)
4. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: Turtles in Time (1993)

I really enjoy TMNT to the point, where I'm tempted to put it over the original. The execution for the sub-plot featuring the internal rivalry between Leo and Raphael was spot on, and it's hard to pick a side, because they both have logical standpoints to argue from (Ralph being mad at Leo for leaving and having to pick up his slack, and Leo lecturing Ralph for being selfish and stubborn with the Nightwatcher persona).

Part three is still unbearable trash. It had to be the first time I watched it in quite some time, and I still hated it. A tired and generic time travel storyline, the humor is too corny to the point where the jokes aren't funny, and it felt like they were running out of reasons to justify the Turtles existence on the big screen. One sequel too many was the case here, and it's no surprise they had to wait until 2007 to go with another full length feature film.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I think it's safe to say there's all sorts of holes involved in those movies.

That's for sure. For the guy constantly warning against disturbing the space-time continuum, Doc Brown was the worst offender of all.

Consider: In III, Clara Clayton was supposed to have died in a horse-drawn wagon plunge over a cliff, into a place that came to be called Clayton's Ravine, remember? By saving her, Doc Brown changed the original history.

Now, in Hill Valley lives a woman who was not meant to exist in 1881 any more than Doc and Marty did. If Doc went back to the future and left Clara there, as he intended, she would be a young woman who probably marries a man in town.....but that man would have married someone else in the original history. Clara and the guy would go on to create different children than were meant to exist with the man and his original mate.

Meanwhile, the woman the guy would have married most likely goes on to marry some other guy, creating another entirely new family. In a small, developing pioneer town like Hill Valley, the entire dynamic of the place would have changed, creating a markedly different future.

By the time Marty got back to the future, he might have gone looking for old friends, only to find there was no record of them ever existing.

Doc Brown was a flaming asshole.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

That's for sure. For the guy constantly warning against disturbing the space-time continuum, Doc Brown was the worst offender of all.

Consider: In III, Clara Clayton was supposed to have died in a horse-drawn wagon plunge over a cliff, into a place that came to be called Clayton's Ravine, remember? By saving her, Doc Brown changed the original history.

Now, in Hill Valley lives a woman who was not meant to exist in 1881 any more than Doc and Marty did. If Doc went back to the future and left Clara there, as he intended, she would be a young woman who probably marries a man in town.....but that man would have married someone else in the original history. Clara and the guy would go on to create different children than were meant to exist with the man and his original mate.

Meanwhile, the woman the guy would have married most likely goes on to marry some other guy, creating another entirely new family. In a small, developing pioneer town like Hill Valley, the entire dynamic of the place would have changed, creating a markedly different future.

By the time Marty got back to the future, he might have gone looking for old friends, only to find there was no record of them ever existing.

Doc Brown was a flaming asshole.

Sally, this is seriously one of the funniest posts ever.

I'm not saying neither you nor Mitch are wrong in your opinions, but don't you see that's why him marrying Clara Clayton is so perfect? She wasn't supposed to exist, so he essentially removes her from time by traveling through it and not really achieving existence anymore. The truly irresponsible part was having kids. Now they're supposed to not exist either.

 

[Mustang Sally]

The truly irresponsible part was having kids. Now they're supposed to not exist either.

Their sons, Jules and Verne, create a huge problem, especially if we can presume the family lives in Hill Valley. These boys, who were never meant to exist in 1881, eventually marry and reproduce with women who, in the original history, do that with other mates. Same thing as Doc and Clara; the entire dynamic of the town changes.

The only way the four of them can get away with existing in the past is if they never interact with anyone. Fat chance of that.

You're right, Bill, this is a funny thread. I love discussing possibilities of time travel.