I've never been a fan of wrestlers who's promos follow the same basic structure week in and out, I've also never been a fan of wrestlers who rely too much on catchphrases. But Jesus Christ I'd love it if Orton had a phrase that he says week in and out and is something that you could get behind. Even if his promo was boring, like they usually are, at least I could listen out for him to say this one line. It could be a game I could play with myself.
lol I think Orton does have catchphrases, he just uses one at a time. His current one is "I have ADHD" or words to that effect anyway.
He plays his character well, but he's hardly wrestling much lately. He's talking, being kinda boring, being made to look like the equal of Shane McMahon and kicking somebody in the head. All rather dull.
Agreed, in the ring he's almost flawless and I'd rather watch him than Edge anyday of the week. Unfortunately he cant get the boringness he's mastered in the ring to be effective in his promo's.
They say the best wrestling characters are just and extension of a wrestlers real personality. Having read a lot of interviews by Orton I can tell you that he's really outspoken and intresting. He's not afraid to say what he thinks. WWE need to make Orton unscripted.
Randy Orton unscripted, it could be his new catchphrase once he's done with the ADHD thing.
No offense, but i'll take Paul Heyman's opinion of a superstars performance over what you think, any day of the week.
Fair enough.
Heyman knows what he's talking about, he's been in the business a while, and if he sings someone's praises you know that he's speaking the truth because he wouldn't do so unless it was warranted.
Yeah but he also thought that ECW was a good product, he thinks Edge is the best heel in the world ever. While this isnt me vs Paul Heyman I would think that the general public disagree on both counts.
I hope your kidding. You complain that Orton's mic skills arn't impressive, that he basically does the same thing week in and week out.
I never said that, I said he struggles to cut a decent promo, everyone does the same thing week in and week out.
But I think you've mistaken Orton for Cena, as Cena is the one that does that.
Cena's good at it.
Is Cena's mic work that much better than Orton where you can praise him? No, not at all. His emotion, it's basically funny. He just yells, tries to sound angry, but he just sounds like a bafoon to me.
Too you? I'd take what Chris Jericho, Vince McMahon, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan and The Rock say over what you think. They all praise Cena's skills and all of their opinion's are worth more than Heyman's.
His jokes are corny, he only gets laughs from 12 year old kids and girls who find him attractive. He would have only received a third of the credit for a promo like Orton's, you're right about that, but he would only deserve that third of credit at the most.
I find Cena's jokes to be less hit and miss as Orton's general mic work.
Edge, yes he is on par with Orton. Both of those men are at the top of the game when it comes to being a heel, and you can add Jericho in their as well. I think Edge is at the same level as Orton, and maybe i'm inclined to say he's a bit better, but if he is I don't think it's that much of a margin.
In the ring Orton's better than both guys, on the stick not so much.
Edge sometimes goes over the edge(no pun intended) in his promo's, just like anyone. Orton has had his bright spots, and his misses as well, but thats to be expected of anyone. I really don't understand how any person can deny Orton's ability to cut a solid promo, someone else mentioned him having a "montone voice" and that it somehow takes away from his mic work, I disagree with that completely. I understand the argument, I really do, I just don't think it holds any water whatsoever as a person's way of speaking shouldn't take away from anything.
Orton's monotone works in his favour it really does, it should work but it doesnt. It's like something doesnt click.
It's a mix of all three, IMO. He's at the top of his game right now, but he can and will get better over time. Just look at how far he's come already, he's learned a lot in the business and has mastered the art of being a heel, and there are times when he could improve on certain things but he'll learn that and improve that.
Agreed he'll improve, he's young and will become what people are calling him now I have no doubt.
I think most people are forgetting this: Randy Orton is meant to be boring the stick.
He's meant to be, JBL and Chris Jericho have mastered the art of boringness. Orton's not even close. JBL and Jericho bore me to tears, Orton makes me wince.
Why you may ask? Welll, because he's a heel. Would I boo Orton if he puts on a very enthusiastic promo like Cena does? Hell no, I'd probably cheer him. His tone of voice rarely changes which is why people dread his promos. Nobody can honestly argue that he doesn't get booed during his promos, because he does.
In amongst all the RKO chants and cheers I think you can hear a small selection of the audience booing yes. Real heat, see Y2J and JBL.
The same goes for Vickie Guerrero. She sucks on the mic, but she is the most over heel in the company thus proving the regular fans are more likely to boo someone who is boring or annoying on the mic.
Vickie Guerrero is excellent on the mic, Orton should take pointer's.
Edge's promos are sometimes a little silly. 95% of them are great, but some of them are just over the top. Orton's are always the same. Nothing changes with him which is why you want to boo him whenever he steps into the ring and speaks on the mic. Saying Randy Orton is bad on the mic is purely being fussy. Everyone has a different promo style, and not all of them need to be enthusiastic and ridiculously over the top like your hero, Edge's.
I think Edge is above average, no better than that. Remember I am a JBL fan so I can relate to boring promo's, JBL blow's Orton out of the water.
Randy Orton is probably one of the top 5 promo cutters in the business today.
In no particular order; John Cena, HHH, Chris Jericho, Edge, JBL, Vickie Guerrero, William Regal (when he's allowed to cut one, jesus did people hate him). I could probably list more.
It's not even one of his strengths, but he always gets the fans to boo him by either talking down on his opponents or just talking shit in general. He's one of the few heels that doesn't need to pick on the fans to get good heel heat *glares at Edge*. Orton's promo skills are fine and doesn't need changing and I always look forward to hearing him moan on the mic.
Orton doesnt get booed, he kicked a woman in the head and still got cheered, all Jericho needed to do was accidently punch her in the face. The only time people boo Orton is when he is in the ring, because that's when he's best.
, the apocalypse is coming. Vickie Guerrero is the most over heel!!!