R-truth or R-Jobber? A real estimate.

[AegonTargaryen]

The man-
He wrestled on smackdown in 2000/2001 as K-kwik(The hell does that mean?)
He was released and then wrestled in TNA as Ron The Truth Killings, won the NWA title once or twice(against Jeff Jarret?)
In 2008, WWE announced his return/arrival on Smackdown.
He is used as a singles star in meaningless weekly matches, the only one of which I can remember is being against Chris Jericho a few times. Surprisingly, he beat jericho clean on one such edition of Smackdown(probably before some Elimination Chamber) and to this day it makes me incredulous that he was included in the elimination chamber(which has been severely damaged as a rare match from 2008-2013) leave alone BEAT chris jericho.
I don't remember what he did from 2010 until his idiotic little jimmy gimmick turn in 2011.
He was , once again much to my incredulousness, given a one-on-one title match against Cena at Capitol Punishment in June 2011 (in what I consider to be the single-most hopeless year for the WWE-in both Raw and Smackdown) and then formed a short-lived tag team with The Miz(Really?). The tag team accomplished nothing substantial and was a mismatch from the inception to the end , where he was fed to The Miz(that's how you elevate a no-good sh ould-have-been-MTV-employee).
Post the miz R-truth debacle, he has formed tag teams with Kofi Kingston(?), and now with Xavier Woods.
Now, I won't say he's as bad in the ring as The miz. But, his wrestling-style, his appearance, singing-to-the-ring never entertained me and came across as a cheap act. The whatsup? routine made me want to change the channel. However, when someone like Booker T wrestled as a mid-carder on Raw, I was always interested in the match(tag team or single), and I liked hearing Booker T's promo work , his underrated feud with Kurt Angle in 2005, and his King Booker gimmick was nothing short of hilarious, brilliant and believable. Does all of this not make you wonder that R-truth is Booker T diminished 10 times? Or a poor man's Booker T? (Yes, Booker T is one of the most underrated stars in my estimate/opinion in terms of wrestling skill/charisma/mic skills/character development).

 

[Softcore Holly]

He's obviously enhancement talent at this point, but if he was 7-9 years younger he would have major potential. He's in fantastic shape, more natural on the mic then a large % of the roster, has a good moveset, etc. Sure the stuff they make him do is dumb, but considering the sheer stupidity of some of it he made it work as well as anyone can. Seriously you have to give a man credit when he gets stuck with a imaginary lil kid and somehow makes it watchable. Booker T's underrated sure but outside of the scissor kick and their skin color I don't see any similarities.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

He's obviously enhancement talent at this point, but if he was 7-9 years younger he would have major potential. He's in fantastic shape, more natural on the mic then a large % of the roster, has a good moveset, etc. Sure the stuff they make him do is dumb, but considering the sheer stupidity of some of it he made it work as well as anyone can. Seriously you have to give a man credit when he gets stuck with a imaginary lil kid and somehow makes it watchable. Booker T's underrated sure but outside of the scissor kick and their skin color I don't see any similarities.

Similarities enough to assert an analogy. One wouldn't say Rob Van Dam is a poor man's Goldberg. Ryback? Yes. Is there any poor man's Rock? Some say Batista, but that's merely based on his physique and round bald head(minus all the attractiveness). Batista never was and never will be half as good as The rock in any single criteria such as promo work, being articulate, talented, amusing, chilvalric, heroic, athletic, blah.
As far as Booker T is concerned, with a handful of Black men in the professional wrestling industry, R-truth comes the closest to being his poor man's version- Scissors kick, Race(no racism intended), and over-all physical composition(except that he's 4 inches shorter)

 

[TellMeWhy]

There is no comparison between Booker and R-Truth. Just because there from the same race doesn't make the analogy equal. Are you going to compare Kofi Kingston to Booker T because they both have dreads next? Come on! I don't even understand why you're making a thread trying to bash R-Truth. He does the best with the stupidity that WWE gives him. In 2011, the man was on fire during his feud with Cena and they should have given him a run with the title or at least transitioned him into the world title picture on Smackdown at the time. But in typical WWE fashion, they screw up everything! This is why they can't create stars. They fumbled on him and now they have him almost obscure. If they give him a chance at the top, they could have greatness on their hands but they would rather push boring acts like ADR instead.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

There is no comparison between Booker and R-Truth. Just because there from the same race doesn't make the analogy equal. Are you going to compare Kofi Kingston to Booker T because they both have dreads next? Come on! I don't even understand why you're making a thread trying to bash R-Truth. He does the best with the stupidity that WWE gives him. In 2011, the man was on fire during his feud with Cena and they should have given him a run with the title or at least transitioned him into the world title picture on Smackdown at the time. But in typical WWE fashion, they screw up everything! This is why they can't create stars. They fumbled on him and now they have him almost obscure. If they give him a chance at the top, they could have greatness on their hands but they would rather push boring acts like ADR instead.

I'm not bashing R-truth nor was this thread intended to bash him. I'm only asserting my opinion. I agree that WWE will never trust these guys and allow them the freedom to become stars. But if you believe R-truth should've been given a WWE title run, you couldn't be more erroneous. That's just repeating the grim mistake they made by giving it to The Miz ; but at least Miz is presentable and marketable in a non-wrestling Role, and can talk in English just a little better than R-truth can(conspiracy blabber, Little Jimmy abortion), and that is not saying much because quite frankly, these guys , these modern abominations as WWE champions? What was the Miz' greatest accomplishment? Hosting some show with John Morrison? His greatest catchphrase? Really? Really? Really it's really? Look at that goofball Zack Ryder. A no-talent woo-woo-woo chanting New Jersey goofball as your United States Champion. Contrast it with John Cena's and Booker T's feud for the same title, or Chris Benoit's against Booker T's. Good grief if you or someone thought that Zack Ryder should've been the next WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
The fact is, these guys cannot talk, not originally and in an engaging fashion anyways. (See-Chris Jericho, C M Punk). Repeating "Yes" ad infinitum doesn't amount to charisma or oratory. Nor "woo woo woo". Nor "Whatsup?" and "Little Jimmy". Chris Jericho probably has the greatest vocabulary any successful wrestler has ever had(Unless if someone has a degree in linguistics or literature). Moreover, he KNOWS how to construct sentences without stumbling, and is one of the BEST ever on mic, in ring. Arguably even better than The Rock.( Most of Rock's charisma and oratory in the attitude era rested on a few catchphrases and slang. Ass, Anus, Candyasses,) but The Rock was very good on mic and still is, no doubt . Today's wrestlers? I'll be waiting for another Edge or Chris Jericho who can talk , and not chant woo woo woo, really, Yes, No, and sing Whatsup to the ring.
If in your view, R-truth was funny and entertaining(and he mildly was, I admit) and must therefore win the WWE title against John Cena, then Chris Benoit , Rob Van Dam, Chris Jericho, Shelton Benjamin, Booker T should've all had multiple WWE/WHC reigns during their mid-card stints from 2001-2006. Based on their wrestling ability and unspoken presence alone, they're incomparably better than R-truths, Mizzez and Zack Ryders.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I enjoyed him the most with the whole Lil Jimmy gimmick and I thought they'd give him a run with the belt then and they probably should have as he was over as he ever was going to be at that point. At this point though, he's a glorified jobber more or less.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I enjoyed him the most with the whole Lil Jimmy gimmick and I thought they'd give him a run with the belt then and they probably should have as he was over as he ever was going to be at that point. At this point though, he's a glorified jobber more or less.

It's as simple as that. Seems that guys/gals who pay their dues usually get their day in the sun, and that's what R-Truth enjoyed during his "Little Jimmy" phase.

Honestly, I was surprised he ever got elevated to be considered a threat for the world title at all. When he returned from TNA, it didn't appear as if anything big was being planned for him, so it's nice he got a chance to shine.

Yes, it was rather surprising how abruptly the whole push ended and how quickly his "heel-dom" reversed itself......and, for that matter, his "What's Up" ring entrance was resumed, when I believed it had run it's course. But I doubt any of this surprised Ron Killings; I tend to believe the whole program was laid out in advance for him and he knew just how long it was going to last.

I like the guy; what he does and how he wrestles. In some ways, he's an American version of Santino, but Truth does it without the clownish aspects and loss of dignity displayed in the ring by Marella. Plus, the fans seem to like him.

Sure, he's a jobber and will probably remain one, given that he's past 40 and surely on the downside of his career. But he had his moment in the sun, so that's good.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

The phrase really to describe guys like Killings and probably now Christian and Jericho is "jobber to the stars"... They're not the bottom or near the bottom, they're the guy you feed to the top guys rather than someone you want to get over because they have some kind of pedigree.

R-Truth in himself has had a far better 2nd run than anybody ever thought he would or could have bearing in mind how long it's actually lasted. When he signed most people saw it lasting a year or so, 2 tops but to be there nearly 5 and a half years later is pretty good going. He's good at what he does, in that Tito Santana type role as a face you can occasionally push and it get over and can likewise be a Greg Valentine level heel, someone you can throw into a tag team or strategically use to improve the credibility of someone rather than just "getting them over".

The most interesting thing he's done was the "smoking man" closely followed by "Pretty Ricky", I still think that could have gone somewhere... How much longer he is valued by the E is probably the question now... they have other guys they can put into that role now... Darren Young could be the one take his spot for example.

Killings is only 42...but he's 42... he's not as old as some on the roster but when you have far younger talent of a similar level they're more likely to go with them if you're Vince and Triple H as it makes your roster appear younger. I can see him staying with WWE - either as a colour commentator, trainer or manager but I don't see them keeping him in ring for too much longer... much like Regal, his sell by date is about there.

 

[Softcore Holly]

Similarities enough to assert an analogy. One wouldn't say Rob Van Dam is a poor man's Goldberg. Ryback? Yes. Is there any poor man's Rock? Some say Batista, but that's merely based on his physique and round bald head(minus all the attractiveness). Batista never was and never will be half as good as The rock in any single criteria such as promo work, being articulate, talented, amusing, chilvalric, heroic, athletic, blah.
As far as Booker T is concerned, with a handful of Black men in the professional wrestling industry, R-truth comes the closest to being his poor man's version- Scissors kick, Race(no racism intended), and over-all physical composition(except that he's 4 inches shorter)

"over-all physical composition" doesn't really count for much when comparing 2 guys that weren't very unique at all when it came to their "over-all physical composition", they were just 2 guys in great shape. It's like trying to say that Ryder or Kidd are poor versions of Orton, the only thing the 3 men have in common is their skin color and being in great shape.

Your problem is you're looking for a "poor man's version" and apparently the only thing necessary is a finisher that's been used by a lot more people then R-Truth and him being Black, which is crazy since outside of those 2 things Booker T and Truth have very little in common. Their movesets outside of the finisher(which even then looks different from each other) is not similar in any way, as well as the way they use their mic time. I believe that you're genuinely sincere in not trying to be racist, but you're still coming off like one.

As for Ryback-Golderg, their only real similarities is their muscles, their bald heads and both having a time of getting a monster push/simple catchphrase, they're actually very different on the mic and in the ring. So to call one a poor version of the other would be inaccurate to say the very least. Somewhat understandable since big bald muscle bound guys do tend to look kinda alike, but still inaccurate once you actually start thinking about it.

As for Rock Batista, man that's like trying to say a ship is like a plane.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

"over-all physical composition" doesn't really count for much when comparing 2 guys that weren't very unique at all when it came to their "over-all physical composition", they were just 2 guys in great shape. It's like trying to say that Ryder or Kidd are poor versions of Orton, the only thing the 3 men have in common is their skin color and being in great shape.

Your problem is you're looking for a "poor man's version" and apparently the only thing necessary is a finisher that's been used by a lot more people then R-Truth and him being Black, which is crazy since outside of those 2 things Booker T and Truth have very little in common. Their movesets outside of the finisher(which even then looks different from each other) is not similar in any way, as well as the way they use their mic time. I believe that you're genuinely sincere in not trying to be racist, but you're still coming off like one.

As for Ryback-Golderg, their only real similarities is their muscles, their bald heads and both having a time of getting a monster push/simple catchphrase, they're actually very different on the mic and in the ring. So to call one a poor version of the other would be inaccurate to say the very least. Somewhat understandable since big bald muscle bound guys do tend to look kinda alike, but still inaccurate once you actually start thinking about it.

As for Rock Batista, man that's like trying to say a ship is like a plane.

This analogy was never meant to be literal. It's you who's refused to see my point, or the meaning behind this thread. It's simply this- There was a time when wrestling mattered, and performers knew their craft. Do today's performers? The IWC would often blame WWE for not allowing their stars to shine and when somebody like Zack Ryder creates some stupid internet show, he becomes a hero. Wow. Imagine Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero creating a youtube show in 1998(though there was no youtube), or rallying on streets because WCW was too busy glorifying the super heavyweights non-wrestling trashes.

As far as the phrase "be the poor man's ", the oxford dictionary clearly defines it to be "an inferior or cheaper substitute for the thing specified". It's convention which defines when and how this phrase should be used to be fitting in a Wrestling discussion. As far as I can say, I've only encountered people using it for a handful of wrestling pairs with some mild similarities. Goldberg-Ryback, Mason Ryan-(Batista???). Surely you would agree Mason Ryan was apparently and visibly a Batista clone and could most appropriately be called a poor man's Batista. But I digress.
The thread is about R-truth's estimate, and I don't see any racism in calling him a poor man's Booker T because quite frankly HE WAS , AND IS. A cheaper, inferior quality perfomer in every way. And Since we cannot have Booker T in a wrestling capacity, we have R-truth.

I have also been frequently chiding how current performers can't talk, and can't be original or talk one/tenth as articulately and creatively as wrestling's past performers as Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle . And presently, C M Punk.. Blame WWE creative all you want but it's Zack Ryder's fault that he's Zack Ryder. And so is it Miz's fault.

Woo woo woo? Whatsup? Yes! ? No! ?
Daniel Bryan may well be a poor man's Mick Foley with far lesser charisma, and being far less articulate(Unless he proves me wrong). They don't share the same weight or height. But they're both shabby and unkempt.There you go.

 

[Softcore Holly]

This analogy was never meant to be literal. It's you who's refused to see my point, or the meaning behind this thread. It's simply this- There was a time when wrestling mattered, and performers knew their craft. Do today's performers? The IWC would often blame WWE for not allowing their stars to shine and when somebody like Zack Ryder creates some stupid internet show, he becomes a hero. Wow. Imagine Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero creating a youtube show in 1998(though there was no youtube), or rallying on streets because WCW was too busy glorifying the super heavyweights non-wrestling trashes.

As far as the phrase "be the poor man's ", the oxford dictionary clearly defines it to be "an inferior or cheaper substitute for the thing specified". It's convention which defines when and how this phrase should be used to be fitting in a Wrestling discussion. As far as I can say, I've only encountered people using it for a handful of wrestling pairs with some mild similarities. Goldberg-Ryback, Mason Ryan-(Batista???). Surely you would agree Mason Ryan was apparently and visibly a Batista clone and could most appropriately be called a poor man's Batista. But I digress.
The thread is about R-truth's estimate, and I don't see any racism in calling him a poor man's Booker T because quite frankly HE WAS , AND IS. A cheaper, inferior quality perfomer in every way. And Since we cannot have Booker T in a wrestling capacity, we have R-truth.

I have also been frequently chiding how current performers can't talk, and can't be original or talk one/tenth as articulately and creatively as wrestling's past performers as Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle . And presently, C M Punk.. Blame WWE creative all you want but it's Zack Ryder's fault that he's Zack Ryder. And so is it Miz's fault.

Woo woo woo? Whatsup? Yes! ? No! ?
Daniel Bryan may well be a poor man's Mick Foley with far lesser charisma, and being far less articulate(Unless he proves me wrong). They don't share the same weight or height. But they're both shabby and unkempt.There you go.

The only way someone can be a "an inferior or cheaper substitute" for someone is if they're either trying to be that person and sucking at it, or they're being portrayed as such. R-Truth never tried to be anything like Booker or play any roles that Booker did, they don't even look anything alike. The only reason you seem think that he's "an inferior or cheaper substitute" for Booker seems to be his race. Like sure you can say that he's a poor man version because you think he's inferior to Booker in every way, but so is a large chunk of the current roster, why did you pick R-Truth then? Obvious you think Ryder's inferior as well but instead you pick R-Truth for this topic simply because he shares a skin color with Booker. Like I think Health Slater is vastly inferior to Stone Cold, but I wouldn't call him a poor man's copy since they're obviously nothing alike.

The "point" of the thread as you put seemed to have changed to how current stars don't carry their own weight like the stars of the past like Booker, Eddie, Benoit etc. Which would probably be a pretty interesting topic that could easily be done better without the almost completely unrelated comparisons.

Also the Bryan-Foley comparison is off too. The only things they share is being a underdog that doesn't care if they look messy, otherwise in and out of the ring they're as different as Rock and Batista.

 

[davy g]

I thought wwe really had lightning in a bottle when Truth snapped on Morrison over seas, to me it was pretty believeable and it made Truth straight gansta overnight, him beating down Morrison, picking him back up and telling him " Im sorry man , I love you , but you done this to yourself ", before beating him down multiple times was off the chains, and then lets not forget when he started ranting, " Who gotta smoke", before snatching a whole pack from someone in the audience, lighting up the smoke, squat next to a destroyed Morrison and blow smoke on him telling him ," he was sorry",classic shit that was wasted, from there he tags with The Miz & is burief, sad. I really think WWE dropped the ball on this one, cuz that one moment could of really escalated to something good.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

I thought wwe really had lightning in a bottle when Truth snapped on Morrison over seas, to me it was pretty believeable and it made Truth straight gansta overnight, him beating down Morrison, picking him back up and telling him " Im sorry man , I love you , but you done this to yourself ", before beating him down multiple times was off the chains, and then lets not forget when he started ranting, " Who gotta smoke", before snatching a whole pack from someone in the audience, lighting up the smoke, squat next to a destroyed Morrison and blow smoke on him telling him ," he was sorry",classic shit that was wasted, from there he tags with The Miz & is burief, sad. I really think WWE dropped the ball on this one, cuz that one moment could of really escalated to something good.

That was money! I had almost forgotten about that raw/segment with R-truth and John Morrison. But then, if anything from the last few years from RAW is worth remembering, that segment is one of IT. And yes, when I read you depict it so properly, It was almost like I watched it again, and it was brilliant. That was the first time, and probably the only, when I thought R-truth is SOMEBODY, and a credible performer. Little Jimmy? Not so much. I'm not sure if he could've fluctuated between a fiery angry gangster persona and the Lil Jimmy funny and idiotic character. It worked for Booker T, though how he'd switch suddenly to talking like a , well like a Booker T, from his assumed/feigned Royalty as King Booker. That was one of the most naturally funny characters/segments of all time. (Watch the segment where King Booker is mocking Kane's See No Evil , with Sharmell)

 

[lil steroid meat]

(no racism intended)

lol.

But of course R-Truth is a jobber. Not even debatable lol.

Borderline racist gimmick lol, bathroom break when he's on-screen, the fact that he was a WWE Title contender in 2011 says a lot about the state of the WWE. If Punk didn't cut that promo and force the direction of the title scene, who knows what other steaming piles of shit we would have had to sit through.

But Ron Killings the man can't control how he is booked. He knows he will never be world champ and is probably cool with that. He's probably happy that at his age, he's able to go out there and earn a living working a few minutes each night. He doesn't have any damns to give. Good for him lol.

If I was Xavier Woods though, just starting my career, I'd be pretty fuckin pissed though lol.

EDIT: Read over the posts and saw the Morrison thing.

I do remember thinking he was about to be a bad ass after that, but I'm sure that didn't go anywhere. Oh well.

WWE seems to like fucking with us, setting up great scenarios (Kofi trashing Orton's car, R-Truth doing the cigarette thing, etc.) and putting them back in midcard hell a few weeks after that.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

lol.

But of course R-Truth is a jobber. Not even debatable lol.

Borderline racist gimmick lol, bathroom break when he's on-screen, the fact that he was a WWE Title contender in 2011 says a lot about the state of the WWE. If Punk didn't cut that promo and force the direction of the title scene, who knows what other steaming piles of shit we would have had to sit through.

But Ron Killings the man can't control how he is booked. He knows he will never be world champ and is probably cool with that. He's probably happy that at his age, he's able to go out there and earn a living working a few minutes each night. He doesn't have any damns to give. Good for him lol.

If I was Xavier Woods though, just starting my career, I'd be pretty fuckin pissed though lol.

EDIT: Read over the posts and saw the Morrison thing.

I do remember thinking he was about to be a bad ass after that, but I'm sure that didn't go anywhere. Oh well.

WWE seems to like fucking with us, setting up great scenarios (Kofi trashing Orton's car, R-Truth doing the cigarette thing, etc.) and putting them back in midcard hell a few weeks after that.

Yeah he's a jobber. And so is Kofi Kingston. I remember his boom boom shit watching for the first time on ECW in 2008. His wrestling style is quite unique, but that doesn't help. I can't believe they let him pick victories over Orton, only to then form Air Boom and the rest is history. I guess the only time Kingston was given a real singles feud was with Orton. Again Kingston never seemed credible, unlike Booker T. Booker T somehow was always a must-watch part of TV. Remember when Kurt Angle said "Booker, I want to have sex with your wife" ? Hilarious.

 

[TellMeWhy]

I'm not bashing R-truth nor was this thread intended to bash him. I'm only asserting my opinion. I agree that WWE will never trust these guys and allow them the freedom to become stars. But if you believe R-truth should've been given a WWE title run, you couldn't be more erroneous. That's just repeating the grim mistake they made by giving it to The Miz ; but at least Miz is presentable and marketable in a non-wrestling Role, and can talk in English just a little better than R-truth can(conspiracy blabber, Little Jimmy abortion), and that is not saying much because quite frankly, these guys , these modern abominations as WWE champions? What was the Miz' greatest accomplishment? Hosting some show with John Morrison? His greatest catchphrase? Really? Really? Really it's really? Look at that goofball Zack Ryder. A no-talent woo-woo-woo chanting New Jersey goofball as your United States Champion. Contrast it with John Cena's and Booker T's feud for the same title, or Chris Benoit's against Booker T's. Good grief if you or someone thought that Zack Ryder should've been the next WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
The fact is, these guys cannot talk, not originally and in an engaging fashion anyways. (See-Chris Jericho, C M Punk). Repeating "Yes" ad infinitum doesn't amount to charisma or oratory. Nor "woo woo woo". Nor "Whatsup?" and "Little Jimmy". Chris Jericho probably has the greatest vocabulary any successful wrestler has ever had(Unless if someone has a degree in linguistics or literature). Moreover, he KNOWS how to construct sentences without stumbling, and is one of the BEST ever on mic, in ring. Arguably even better than The Rock.( Most of Rock's charisma and oratory in the attitude era rested on a few catchphrases and slang. Ass, Anus, Candyasses,) but The Rock was very good on mic and still is, no doubt . Today's wrestlers? I'll be waiting for another Edge or Chris Jericho who can talk , and not chant woo woo woo, really, Yes, No, and sing Whatsup to the ring.
If in your view, R-truth was funny and entertaining(and he mildly was, I admit) and must therefore win the WWE title against John Cena, then Chris Benoit , Rob Van Dam, Chris Jericho, Shelton Benjamin, Booker T should've all had multiple WWE/WHC reigns during their mid-card stints from 2001-2006. Based on their wrestling ability and unspoken presence alone, they're incomparably better than R-truths, Mizzez and Zack Ryders.

R-Truth can't speak English? My goodness, you must love the TNA world champion Magnus. The man is as clear as day when he talks and has perfect mic control. From the way you sound, you may get an orgasm after he says two sentences on the microphone. So because R-Truth has the diction of an African-American, he can't speak English? So he has to speak in a tone of a Caucasian man in order for you to accept that he can speak English? Have you heard or seen R-Truth present himself in public when he's not in character in composure and making public appearances? He wears a suit, smiles, carries a conversation well, and is a fun personality. I think you need to stop being a subtle racist. Almost every single post in here whether talking about R-Truth or Kofi Kingston, you resort to talking about Booker T or his King Booker run. You're desperately trying to use the "poor man" as pointed out and it's not working. You're trying to fit a piece into a puzzle that does not fit. If you like Booker T, just make a thread saying you like him. If you don't like Truth, make a thread saying you don't like him. Don't try to make a big convoluted thread combining the both. And yes if guys are getting over, you give them a shot. Why hold them down? If a guy is getting over or getting heat, you push them! Wrestling 101! Instead of guys like HHH, Orton, and Cena getting title reigns over and over for a decade, if they gave it to some of those "mid-card" guys you named instead of sticking to the safe/predictable status quo options, maybe WWE would have kept interest going in the product, not become so stale, and not lose a chunk of their viewership in the process over the decade.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

R-Truth can't speak English? My goodness, you must love the TNA world champion Magnus. The man is as clear as day when he talks and has perfect mic control. From the way you sound, you may get an orgasm after he says two sentences on the microphone. So because R-Truth has the diction of an African-American, he can't speak English? So he has to speak in a tone of a Caucasian man in order for you to accept that he can speak English? Have you heard or seen R-Truth present himself in public when he's not in character in composure and making public appearances? He wears a suit, smiles, carries a conversation well, and is a fun personality. I think you need to stop being a subtle racist. Almost every single post in here whether talking about R-Truth or Kofi Kingston, you resort to talking about Booker T or his King Booker run. You're desperately trying to use the "poor man" as pointed out and it's not working. You're trying to fit a piece into a puzzle that does not fit. If you like Booker T, just make a thread saying you like him. If you don't like Truth, make a thread saying you don't like him. Don't try to make a big convoluted thread combining the both. And yes if guys are getting over, you give them a shot. Why hold them down? If a guy is getting over or getting heat, you push them! Wrestling 101! Instead of guys like HHH, Orton, and Cena getting title reigns over and over for a decade, if they gave it to some of those "mid-card" guys you named instead of sticking to the safe/predictable status quo options, maybe WWE would have kept interest going in the product, not become so stale, and not lose a chunk of their viewership in the process over the decade.

Great. So mid-carders(or jobbers) like Kofi Kingston, R-truth, Zack Ryder, etc. should've been given the WWE title, just so that the product wouldn't stink by John Cena, HHH, and Randy Orton holding it constantly.

Speaking of Wrestling 101, a world title is given to, and is represented by, somebody who's everything that a big wrestling company embodies. John Cena, The Rock, Austin, HHH, Orton, Taker, Michaels, Jericho are all few examples of people who embody that. And not John Morrison, Miz, R-truth, and Zack Ryder. They already did that debacle with Miz as champion in a RAW era which also had Orton, Sheamus, Wade Barret(surely tenfold as talented as Miz and R-truth combined). Drug usage is excused, but not so much that they'll allow any ordinary Joe with unresolved drug issues to be their top star. Few are ever excused or tolerated with lenience. Look at Jeff Hardy and Rob Van Dam. Had Randy Orton still been violating the wellness policy, he'd not even be retained as a performer. Look at what happened to Jack Swagger.

Needless to say, Race, Background, Mic Skills, Look, Charisma, and Drawing Power all matter. The day bums like R-truth and Miz acquire an advantage over Randy Orton or John Cena in any of that criteria, you'd have new champions. So far, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, Wade Barret, and Damien Sandow..all dudes with a far better look, wrestling and mic skills, etc. have failed. Failed to be consistently treated as top performers and inserted into main-events anyway. Heck, C M Punk didn't get a single pay-per-view main event as champion, unless he were facing John Cena.

If you think R-truth and company ever deserved a run with the WWE title, the ,MAIN TITLE(not subservient WHC of Smackdown), then you may as well bring back Jeff Hardy, make him WWE champion and have him drugged as often as he would will, and face a marijuana-influenced Rob Van Dam for the title, again and again and again.

A company doesn't let shabby or troubled(Drugs, Violence, Criminal Record), bums be their champion at all, or for long anyways(Jeff Hardy). Unless if it's ECW or TNA. Mankind was champion thrice. But how long did his reigns last? Stone Cold and The Rock , on the other hand...

You want to call me Racist. Well, if I were a Racist, I'd not frequently glorify and extol past performers like Booker T.
This thread isn't convoluted, nor is my calling R-truth a poor man's Booker T.

This thread does bash and chide. But only bums like Miz, Zack Ryder, and those who get overly popular with mediocre to lesser than mediocre mic skills compensated by some stupid chant. God! Imagine Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho all being world champions in their prime, all because they chanted a single word 100 times every week. Or Imagine Booker T saying "Woo woo woo" instead of "Now can you dig that? Suckaaaaaa" .

 

[lil steroid meat]

Yeah he's a jobber. And so is Kofi Kingston. I remember his boom boom shit watching for the first time on ECW in 2008. His wrestling style is quite unique, but that doesn't help. I can't believe they let him pick victories over Orton, only to then form Air Boom and the rest is history. I guess the only time Kingston was given a real singles feud was with Orton. Again Kingston never seemed credible, unlike Booker T. Booker T somehow was always a must-watch part of TV. Remember when Kurt Angle said "Booker, I want to have sex with your wife" ? Hilarious.

Always saw parallels between Orton/Kofi and HHH/Booker (or Shelton rather because I don't even think Kofi got a shot at the title, was Orton even champion at the time of that feud?).

It seemed like Kofi was genuinely on the way up until that RAW match where he messed something up and Orton called him stupid on live TV.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

Always saw parallels between Orton/Kofi and HHH/Booker (or Shelton rather because I don't even think Kofi got a shot at the title, was Orton even champion at the time of that feud?).

It seemed like Kofi was genuinely on the way up until that RAW match where he messed something up and Orton called him stupid on live TV.

Actually Orton had just concluded a long-winded feud with John Cena before his feud with Kofi . (4 back-to-back pay-per-view matches, if I'm not wrong).
So no, kofi never got a championship match against Orton, nor was the feud about that. It just seemed unnatural that a fresh out of a WWE championship feud against the biggest star , and a Legacy leader should feud someone like Kofi. But I guess they were high on Kofi and thus we had team Orton vs team Kofi on Survivor Series.

 

[Onewalre]

lol.

But of course R-Truth is a jobber. Not even debatable lol.

Borderline racist gimmick lol, bathroom break when he's on-screen, the fact that he was a WWE Title contender in 2011 says a lot about the state of the WWE. If Punk didn't cut that promo and force the direction of the title scene, who knows what other steaming piles of shit we would have had to sit through.

But Ron Killings the man can't control how he is booked. He knows he will never be world champ and is probably cool with that. He's probably happy that at his age, he's able to go out there and earn a living working a few minutes each night. He doesn't have any damns to give. Good for him lol.

If I was Xavier Woods though, just starting my career, I'd be pretty fuckin pissed though lol.

EDIT: Read over the posts and saw the Morrison thing.

I do remember thinking he was about to be a bad ass after that, but I'm sure that didn't go anywhere. Oh well.

WWE seems to like fucking with us, setting up great scenarios (Kofi trashing Orton's car, R-Truth doing the cigarette thing, etc.) and putting them back in midcard hell a few weeks after that.

I don't like r-Truth because he has no interesting mode in WWE. i love undertaker because he is the only who have power in his mind and body. we all know he is really man who have this ability to do this type of games.

 

[kadroan]

He's obviously enhancement talent at this point, but if he was 7-9 years younger he would have major potential. He's in fantastic shape, more natural on the mic then a large % of the roster, has a good moveset, etc. Sure the stuff they make him do is dumb, but considering the sheer stupidity of some of it he made it work as well as anyone can. Seriously you have to give a man credit when he gets stuck with a imaginary lil kid and somehow makes it watchable. Booker T's underrated sure but outside of the scissor kick and their skin color I don't see any similarities.

Yeah, Truth does his job. I believe he's like 40. If I didn't know his age, I would never think about his age based on his performance

 

[Softcore Holly]

Yeah, Truth does his job. I believe he's like 40. If I didn't know his age, I would never think about his age based on his performance

He's 42, but if I couldn't look up his age I would've guess he was in his low 30's. For all the negative things that's been said about the man in this thread, at the very least he really knows how to take care of himself.