Please do not merge, I want this separate because I'm confused!!!

[ringthebell]

Let me start off by saying, I didn't blow the money tonight, I watched a free live stream, a Free HD stream at that.

I'm gonna get a little R-truth on you, and bring up a conspiracy. Does WWE really just have a staff that runs around and reads internet sites and fans predictions and then change it to shock us? I mean, Randy Orton retaining the title, either his concussion isn't really that bad or they just wanted to prove us all wrong, or maybe, there's always that chance we get the reverse decision on Smackdown saying Christian's foot was under the ropes and he got screwed.

Another thing that was shocking was letting Cena retain? I've heard from too many old school wrestlers not to keep going with bumps and bruises and to take that time off and heal even if it means giving up the title. R-truth really should have won here, I believe it would have made for a much better, non predictable story line.

Why do I say predictable? I'll put every last penny I got on the table and guarantee this is how it goes down. Cena loses the title to Del Rio at Summerslam, stays gone until night of champions or royal rumble, makes his triumphant return, wins the title and carries it to Mania against The Rock. GUARANTEED!!! WWE has become way too predictable and you had to see this coming.

One more thing I want to touch on here is what in the hell was the Big Show acting so hurt for, wasn't it just earlier this week I saw video of him on the overseas tour they were doing leading up to Capitol Punishment walking around just fine and he's the Intercontinental Champ over there too? Yeah, sure the kids don't know about this, but being a wrestling fan for so long, it's kind of like, damn, what a kayfabe joke that was tonight, get up Show, we know your fine, it would have made for a more intense match anyways, but what the hell.

With my final closing thoughts, I give Capitol Punishment a 4/10, some good spots in matches but again a little predictable except the two matches I mentioned in my opinion.

 

[nickstar]

If you didnt notice, Big Show was clutching the wrong knee the whole match. His right leg was the one that got "ran over" yet they chose to play it off as his left leg on the pay per view. Doesnt make any sense.

 

[Tyrath]

I'm not really sure what you are saying about Randy Orton's concussion. Did you think he would lose the title because he had a concussion? Do you know how concussions work? If it had been bad enough, he wouldn't be allowed to compete. If he was able to compete, then there's no need to lose the title because of it.

Just because the internet news said he was going to be too hurt to compete doesn't mean that is always the truth. And I highly doubt WWE would make a competitor who was not able to compete do it "just to prove the internet rumors wrong."

 

[Rampage Bentley]

I completely disagree

As much as I've hated Orton as champion, I must say, I like the angle they're going with, Christian always having a legitimate gripe about how he lost to Orton. great way to keep heat on him and keep him a viable contender. Orton's concussion happened over a week ago, only the most serious ones last past a couple of days.

And R-Truth is nowhere near ready to be a world champion. I really don't get all the sudden love for him, sure he's an improvement over his last character, but right he's nothing but a punchline, his character is far too silly to carry the company. Personally, I think CM Punk might be getting a small run soon to sweeten his negotiation.

 

[baldjedi]

I would have loved to see R-Truth win the title. Honestly, he is over with the fans and he could have risen to the top big time with this win. I hope this rivalry continues and he doesn't get buried, which is probably going to happen now.

Cena could lose the title and never get it back and still be the face of the WWE and I wish they understood that. He is one of those who they can do a lot with without a title for a long time.

CM Punk winning made sense and I hope he is the next feud with Cena. CM Punk is a main eventer and is fun when he is messing with people. He is great on the mic and can carry most feuds he is in. Also, I hope he does win the title because he can make Nexus relevant again and become an interesting stable almost like Evolution was. I know it is different, but the original Nexus failed because it was all about Wade Barrett, but now they can bring out everyone in the group.

If RTruth does get buried I hope CM Punk shines.

 

[IslandSmack]

Another thing that was shocking was letting Cena retain? I've heard from too many old school wrestlers not to keep going with bumps and bruises and to take that time off and heal even if it means giving up the title. R-truth really should have won here, I believe it would have made for a much better, non predictable story line.

R-Truth has a criminal record, preventing him from going overseas. where as Cena can go where he pleases, whenever. So Cena won't drop the title to R-Truth

 

[Foshinzo]

I guess the only thing I can say is that WWE doesn't care about surprising, fresh TV; Cena moves t-shirts, and that's all they care about. It's the Hogan effect: you continuously put over one top face so that you can push the golden goose long past the point where it starts laying real eggs instead. However, I suppose if you'll allow me to entertain this metaphor of the golden goose, you can still eat real eggs. Sure, you can't sell a real egg for as much as a golden one, but you can still get something out of it. This is how bookers view their stars: once the shine wears off, just eat the eggs. The thing I think fans will never understand, though, is that bookers will for some reason, still continue to feed us the regular eggs long after they've gone bad, or at least until you're sick to death of eggs. They'll try to scramble them, mix them into an omelet, do anything they can to keep the menu fresh, but it's like it never occurs to them that it's still the same eggs we're sick of. This is what happened with Hogan in the 90s. They constantly put him over, only putting the Warrior over when it really mattered, and even the most die-hard Hulkamaniacs sick of this. That's why even after he went over to a fresh WCW audience, it only took about a year before they too were pretty sick of seeing Hogan. He turned heel with the nWo, though, and all of the sudden Hogan went from being stale, regular old eggs back to the golden eggs that WCW could sell for the highest price. This too will happen to Cena. Right now, to certain demographics, such as children, guys like Cena, Orton, and Misterio are still marketable. The Internet fans are notorious, though, for backing talented performers who are deemed inferior to corporate for their inability to move shirts, and that's why we are constantly discussing these things with each other. Also, it's not just shirts. Cena is someone that you can put on a movie poster (even if it is a ridiculously bad movie), you can put on cereal boxes and book bags, event cups and even underwear, if you want. The fact is that Cena just has the look and feel of a marketable superstar, whether his in ring ability is quality or not.

Now, aside from the huge ramble I just went on that I doubt responded to the topic well, I will agree that it doesn't make sense to me either to almost NEVER put other people over Cena. They screwed up at Mania when Rock cost Cena the win rather than Miz beating him square, they screwed up tonight with Truth by killing his momentum and robbing him of a chance to become the top heel, they screwed up the whole potential of the Nexus angle by never booking a clean win for the heels and getting their asses kicked every time a clean pin occurred, and they've killed it a million times in the past. I think that's the only reason that Orton is such a big deal is because he's the only guy that ever really gave Cena a run for his money, at least in the ring. Orton proved to corporate that he could be a face of the company. What would it mean for a guy like Punk to get a chance like that? It could propel him into mega-stardom, but only if Cena were to look weak for only a split second. A hero is only as strong as the villains he conquers, and sometimes a hero has to get knocked down below the villain just so he has a mountain to climb. WCW screwed up the nWo angle by never letting the opposition look strong and by cutting off rising stars at the knee when they got humiliated by Hogan and crew, and I think that more than any reason is why Cena is so much like Hogan: I don't think Cena's the one responsible like Hogan was, but he still can't put anyone over. How are you supposed to become a top tier star when every time you face one of the two top faces you get completely buried? I don't think WWE does this to annoy Internet fans, I just think they don't know how to capitalize on a good thing, anymore. I just call it laziness, because Vince McMahon is usually brilliant about these things.

I don't know. I'd love for ROH to get on national TV and create some competition, because TNA has just shot themselves in the foot too many times to be considered real competition and I think ROH has the right people involved to at least get bigger than TNA.

As per the usual, I can't sleep and my mind wanders during these times, so I apologize for the egregiously long message. But, I think I made my point. WWE doesn't want to piss the Internet fans off as much as: 1) they don't take us seriously; and 2) they're just riding the Cena train until it runs off the tracks.

 

[quagmire]

And R-Truth is nowhere near ready to be a world champion. I really don't get all the sudden love for him, sure he's an improvement over his last character, but right he's nothing but a punchline, his character is far too silly to carry the company. Personally, I think CM Punk might be getting a small run soon to sweeten his negotiation.

I would have liked Truth win the title tonight and then tomorrow night on Raw have the GM chime go off while Truth is celebrating his victory saying he is stripping the title off of Truth due to failing a wellness test taken before the title match. It gives Cena back the belt and adds more fuel for Truth to work with this conspiracy theory storyline.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Let me start off by saying, I didn't blow the money tonight, I watched a free live stream, a Free HD stream at that.

Can't fault you there. 45 bucks for a PPV is nutty.

I'm gonna get a little R-truth on you, and bring up a conspiracy. Does WWE really just have a staff that runs around and reads internet sites and fans predictions and then change it to shock us?

Not likely.

I mean, Randy Orton retaining the title, either his concussion isn't really that bad or they just wanted to prove us all wrong, or maybe, there's always that chance we get the reverse decision on Smackdown saying Christian's foot was under the ropes and he got screwed.

Wait... You're shocked that Orton retained? Why, exactly?

Another thing that was shocking was letting Cena retain? I've heard from too many old school wrestlers not to keep going with bumps and bruises and to take that time off and heal even if it means giving up the title. R-truth really should have won here, I believe it would have made for a much better, non predictable story line.

Letting Cena retain is shocking?!?! You're just fucking with us now, right? Truth should absolutely not win on his first go. He needs more build.

Why do I say predictable? I'll put every last penny I got on the table and guarantee this is how it goes down. Cena loses the title to Del Rio at Summerslam, stays gone until night of champions or royal rumble, makes his triumphant return, wins the title and carries it to Mania against The Rock. GUARANTEED!!! WWE has become way too predictable and you had to see this coming.

There's a solid chance something like that will happen. And you know what? It will be good television. You people focus too much on predictability. What do you want them to do?

One more thing I want to touch on here is what in the hell was the Big Show acting so hurt for, wasn't it just earlier this week I saw video of him on the overseas tour they were doing leading up to Capitol Punishment walking around just fine and he's the Intercontinental Champ over there too?

So what, they should change their whole angle because 15 people saw a video on the internet? Yeah that makes sense.

Yeah, sure the kids don't know about this, but being a wrestling fan for so long, it's kind of like, damn, what a kayfabe joke that was tonight, get up Show, we know your fine, it would have made for a more intense match anyways, but what the hell.

They didn't break kayfabe. Like, at all. You're very dense, you know that?

]With my final closing thoughts, I give Capitol Punishment a 4/10, some good spots in matches but again a little predictable except the two matches I mentioned in my opinion.

I haven't seen it yet so I have no comment on your rating. But this bitching and moaning about predictability is fucking absurd. You know what happens when you throw out swerves every damn month? You get WCW and TNA. You know what happens when you only throw out the swerves occasionally? You get legit shocks. Do you remember the Nexus showing up?

All in all, I just have to assume that you get confused quite easily. Like I said I didn't see it, but there was nothing off about the results at all.

 

[Azane]

WWE is way too predictable, first they took all the predictions and changed them, so I'm now changing all my predictions after the matches, to show how predictable it is.

You said in your post that tonight was predictable, because all the matches predicted the other way? You're crazy. Unwritten rule - Don't call something predictable, then shocking in the same sentence.

WWE officials read the internet, I guarantee it, but not for the reasons you're going off on. Promoters say the internet doesn't matter, but any marketability is worth the salary for someone to research and at least keep a report going on random internet hype.

Capitol Punishment is one of the most lack luster ppvs in a while, but hey, with R-truth MEing it, that was already expected. When you're stealing the product though, you lose the right to complain about it.

As far as all the "Injuries" Predicting how things will go, they're fan reports, Cena, Vince, whomever at creative is pulling strings knows how badly hurt Cena is, Vince knows to keep his face of the company healthy, Cena injuries make a huge hole in WWE stock, so he's not risking it, he knows Cena isn't as hurt as little Jimmy of the internet says.

as far as Big Show being IC champion, and in fine health overseas, only internet smarks know about that, and internet smarks love to show off that they know wrestling is scripted, but they love pointing out how scripted script is even more. More intense match vs psychological match. If Show is good at one thing, he actually can play his job to a tee, even if he's playing the broken down giant. You need a match like this on every card, it builds Del Rio up a ton, especially since he's going for World gold soon.

Capitol Punishment gets 2/10 for me, wasn't worth the time, much less money for it.

 

[justinsayne]

One more thing I want to touch on here is what in the hell was the Big Show acting so hurt for, wasn't it just earlier this week I saw video of him on the overseas tour they were doing leading up to Capitol Punishment walking around just fine and he's the Intercontinental Champ over there too?

Yeah and he was fine on RAW and SD! this past week too, however after Mark Henry came down and beat the ever loving shit out of him, then put him through an announce table, and then re-injured his knee, which was hit by a car less than a fucking month ago before ever getting into the ring for the damn match. guess you just completely ignored that huge chunk of this match

Yeah, sure the kids don't know about this, but being a wrestling fan for so long, it's kind of like, damn, what a kayfabe joke that was tonight, get up Show, we know your fine, it would have made for a more intense match anyways, but what the hell.

The vast majority of casual wrestling fans don't know about that, you seriously think Vince should just cater to the tiny minority that makes up the IWC?, he wasn't fine at all, Henry fucked him up before the match and re-fucking-injured his danm knee, and then ADR spent the rest of the match working on that knee, it actually makes sense, ya know to those of us that paid attention

 

[BigMastadon]

R-Truth has a criminal record, preventing him from going overseas. where as Cena can go where he pleases, whenever. So Cena won't drop the title to R-Truth

Well.. R Truth was obviously on the European tour.. as thats where the heel turn happened. So not sure where else he is prevented from going.. but he can obviously go overseas to some points.

 

[JJ15776]

I'm gonna get a little R-truth on you, and bring up a conspiracy. Does WWE really just have a staff that runs around and reads internet sites and fans predictions and then change it to shock us?

No, the WWE doesn't care what's said on the internet. At all. They might read it in their personal time for amusement, but it has no affect whatsoever happens on TV.

I mean, Randy Orton retaining the title, either his concussion isn't really that bad or they just wanted to prove us all wrong, or maybe, there's always that chance we get the reverse decision on Smackdown saying Christian's foot was under the ropes and he got screwed.

Do you understand how concussions work? Let me explain it to you. There's people who are concussed and people who aren't. If someone has a concussion, they don't wrestle. If someone is wrestling, that means they don't have a concussion. A concussion isn't like a leg injury where you go out there, lose the title, and then take time off to heal. Randy Orton wrestled, which meant his concussion was no longer an issue. So you should not have expected him to lose the title because of it.

Another thing that was shocking was letting Cena retain? I've heard from too many old school wrestlers not to keep going with bumps and bruises and to take that time off and heal even if it means giving up the title. R-truth really should have won here, I believe it would have made for a much better, non predictable story line.

Has anybody in the WWE said that Cena is working injured? I haven't heard anything about it. All I saw was one report on one site about it, and then the IWC went crazy with it. That's not the WWE's fault. And certainly nobody in the WWE has said Cena is going to take time off. Like I explained in the thread about him working injured, there's a lot of ways to heal without taking time off or giving up the title. To make a blanket statement about how he should do this or that without knowing anything about his health is idiotic, and to believe those statements is even worse.

Why do I say predictable? I'll put every last penny I got on the table and guarantee this is how it goes down. Cena loses the title to Del Rio at Summerslam, stays gone until night of champions or royal rumble, makes his triumphant return, wins the title and carries it to Mania against The Rock. GUARANTEED!!! WWE has become way too predictable and you had to see this coming.

Ok, and? Hogan vs. Rock was predictable too. So was the Undertaker-HBK rematch. You want unpredictable? The fingerpoke of doom was unpredictable. David Arquette winning the WCW title was unpredictable. I don't know where people got the idea that "ZOMG predictable is bad!!!" but people need to get it out of their dense skulls. More often than not, something is predictable because it makes the most sense. I'll certainly match every penny that you have that what you described doesn't happen, but if it does, that sounds like a pretty decent storyline.

One more thing I want to touch on here is what in the hell was the Big Show acting so hurt for, wasn't it just earlier this week I saw video of him on the overseas tour they were doing leading up to Capitol Punishment walking around just fine and he's the Intercontinental Champ over there too? Yeah, sure the kids don't know about this, but being a wrestling fan for so long, it's kind of like, damn, what a kayfabe joke that was tonight, get up Show, we know your fine, it would have made for a more intense match anyways, but what the hell.

Umm, he was walking around fine on Raw and SD! too. He was hurt because MARK HENRY PUT HIM THROUGH THE ANNOUNCE TABLE BEFORE THE MATCH!!! Did your free HD stream skip that part or something?

 

[TheNewStyle]

I didn't even watch the show since I was too tired to stay up but when I woke up and read the results, it was kinda disappointing. I wished that Christian would get the title, but with foot under the rope controversy, I guess the feud continues and Christian eventually regains it. I'm also okay with R-Truth losing as long as he gets to have his WWE Championship reign in the near future. He's too good as a heel to be buried this soon.

Also how is Alberto del Rio going to go over Cena if they feud? Alberto has no finisher that results in a pinfall and his only finishing move is a submission hold and as we know, Cena never taps out or quits. Unless they decide some cheating distraction tactics like knocking him out with the championship or Alberto simply getting himself a finisher that is followed by a pinfall.

 

[Барбоса]

The two world title matches ended exactly the way they should have - to the benefit of the gimmicks of the heel. Both Christian and R-Truth have gripes in-keeping with their character - Christian can complain that not just the people but management do not want him to be champion while R-Truth can blame his loss on "Little Jimmy." Both feuds are building nicely to perhaps gimmick matches at Money in the Bank and perhaps beyond.

The only changes I might have made would have been for Miz/Riley to end in a double DQ/countout due to brawling and for Big Show tap out or pass out in the cross leg-breaker but ADR getting a referee's stoppage victory over the Giant is still acceptable.

 

[WWWYKI777]

@OP Actually I thought Orton/Cena both retaining against all realistic odds for no damn reason was exactly what was going to happen.... and it did :/

As for Summeslam Alberto Vs. Cena? I expect Cena to win , again for no damn reason...... even if he has to do it with multiple sprains and fractures and a concussion all at once

All I have to say about this extreme Cena title run is that it better lead to Rock winning the title at WM and finally changing the titles design before vacating it (Or you know.. actually not being a jackass and wrestling and defending it for a few months till he actually loses)

 

[closet_fan]

Do you understand how concussions work? Let me explain it to you. There's people who are concussed and people who aren't. If someone has a concussion, they don't wrestle. If someone is wrestling, that means they don't have a concussion. A concussion isn't like a leg injury where you go out there, lose the title, and then take time off to heal. Randy Orton wrestled, which meant his concussion was no longer an issue. So you should not have expected him to lose the title because of it.

Orton even said he passed his concussion tests in a Tweet on Saturday.

Depending on the severity of the concussion, someone such as an NFL player can miss one week of action or several weeks.

Even if Orton didn't pass the tests, there is no need to have him drop the belt because he wouldn't have been out for more than at least another week anyway. Meaning Christian would have won, only to lose the belt, yet again, in a very short amount of time.

 

[wiKid hoRse]

Orton's concussion happened over a week ago, only the most serious ones last past a couple of days.

Tell that to Bret Hart. It's weird that more major sports are moving into the position where they treat concussions as the serious injury that they are and the WWE just look past that for the purpose of a storyline. A couple of days ago Orton was pissed that they gave him too many lines to remember during a promo but it isn't an issue if he has to lose the belt or a couple more seconds of the spotlight.

 

[Барбоса]

I would expect Cena to lose the title to ADR, perhaps not at Summerslam but maybe Night of Champions. ADR then goes on a run of flukey defences against Cena, Mysterio etc much like Kurt Angle did in 2000/2001 only to eventual lose the title back to Cena either at the Royal Rumble or Elimination Chamber.

 

[Cats Pajamas]

Cena could lose the title and never get it back and still be the face of the WWE and I wish they understood that. He is one of those who they can do a lot with without a title for a long time.

I completely agree. However having your biggest superstar show no interest in your companies top prize would be ridiculous.

Capitol Punishment sounded like it was your typical summer time PPV, where the only reason to buy it would be as a wrestling fan who likes seeing better quality matches than what you get during TV broadcasts.

Yes, it was a predictable PPV, most of them are (and I'm not sure who it was who claimed that wasn't a bad thing, but yes, it is bad to not surprise your audience, duh...)

There was no way I'd buy it though, I'm not on crack. Anymore... have a great day everyone.

 

[Pedigree1]

If indeed there are riding the cena tracks till it falls off when will that be?? I thought to myself Damn Cena holding the title till WM will then make the PPVs up until then predictable!!I understand about the so-called hogan effect keep your top guy holding the title sell shirts cater to the kiddies etc etc... I am glad i didnt order Capitol Punishment i knew it would be a suck ass ppv!! On a side note Orton retained wow didnt see that coming

 

[sladetwc]

Random (yet related) thoughts on last night's PPV:

1) Cena cannot POSSIBLY hold onto the title for an entire year... again. But it can't be Ron Killings that wins the belt off him. R-Truth would still be a dancing fool, screaming "What's up?!?" if not for the conspiracy angle, and while entertaining, it's not enough to lead the WWE at the moment. Besides, if he won, who would he complain about? His gimmick is about being held back by the fans who love John Cena. If he wins, where does he go from there?

2) Vince is behind Randy Orton 100000%. Don't believe me? Ask Ken Anderson. Christian would be headlining Superstars (alongside our Internet buddy Zack Ryder) if Edge was still around. I love Captain Charisma's work ethic, but I firmly stand by my previous statement. Christian's gimmick is a lot like R-Truth's, in which he needs to be complaining about being held back for whatever reason. He can't win.

2a) If Edge had not had to retire, Orton would be the top heel on Smackdown right now, feuding with Edge over the belt, and we (as the Internet Wrestling Community) would be whining that it was Orton's time to win the belt to 'change things up'.

3) What ever happened to just having a PPV without some kitschy gimmick theme? Why can't we just see a good wrestling show (with some actual wrestling for more than one match) anymore? Did we ask Vince to change it up on us at some point? Did we do something to you, Mr. McMahon, besides buy your PPVs and DVDs and tickets to your events, that made you hate us so much? If we all say we're sorry, can you give us back our wrestling? We don't WANT to watch TNA/Impact Wrestling to get our wrestling. We want to watch YOUR product. If we didn't, TNA's ratings would be better. Please, sir... give us back OUR WWE, where the second W stands for Wrestling... please?

 

[owen8472]

R-Truth has a criminal record, preventing him from going overseas. where as Cena can go where he pleases, whenever. So Cena won't drop the title to R-Truth

lol are you kidding me you know who the new japan champ is ? MVP who spent 5 years in jail in florida: R-Truth can go anywhere he wants to go : I saw him in Iraq few years ago:

they dont want him to hold the title yet but they want him to be a epic chaser for the next few months till someone else can take that spot. your right he wont get a run with the title this year but after mania next year r-truth willl be the biggest heel in the wwe watch.