Peyton Manning: Best Ever?

[X]

And the Patriots have had great talent, this whole "Pats rode Brady to the Bowl" is bull. The had "no talent"? Bull. 5 Pro Bowlers in 2001, 3 in 2003 (all defense) of which 2 were all-pro, and 1 other guy was all-pro but didn't go to Hawaii. 6 Pro Bowlers in 2004. They had plenty of help, it wasn't just Brady the Golden Boy, as so many Patriot fans would like for us all to believe.

Notice how the majority of those Pro Bowlers were all defensive players? Yeah, the defense doesn't help Brady score points, he can't throw to his linebackers. When it came to the offense, Brady had very little help until Moss came along, that's just a fact.

Colts in 2006 2nd in scoring 23rd in pts allowed. That's shitty defense, going against the Bears, who were 2nd in scoring as well, plus 3rd in pts allowed? I would say averaged out, the Bears were better than those other three teams (although I would objectively state that the Rams were probably better)

The 2001 Rams were so much better than the 2006 Bears. Not even close.

I also want to point out that you don't need a top-flight receiver or two to win big.

It sure does help with the stats though. And once Brady got the same level of receivers as Manning had, he bested Manning's numbers.

Brady thrived under a scheme that had him throwing to six different guys. It ain't WHO, it's HOW. And NO WAY that Brady is even mentioned here without Adam Vinatieri (my South Dakota boy) and his heroics. Otherwise everyone would just be lumping him with Tony Romo. Fact.

I'm sorry, I was with you, until you said he would be lumped in with Tony Romo. Are you kidding? Brady has shattered records left and right since entering the NFL, how is he comparable to Romo at all? Romo is still unproven, Brady is a proven all-time great. If you don't believe Tom Brady will be going down as one of the greatest QBs of all time, then I don't know what football world you're living in.

 

[stingerlegends]

xfear, first of all, I said IF it wasn't for Vinatieri, THEN Brady wouldn't have the heaps of praises. Cause and effect. Romo puts up good numbers, but.... That's all I'm saying there. I would have said the same about Manning until he won the Bowl....I'm not disagreeing about the Rams.....Brady broke the TD record but Manning still had the better QB Rating, plus his backups were in long enough to throw 20 plus more passes than Brady's, Manning sits his 4th quarters in blowouts, Brady needed 81 more attempts to get 50, or 62 more completions, however you want to look at it.

 

[stingerlegends]

And besides, I don't want to argue with YOU

We've duked this out well enough. I was more or less trying to get Kill Bill to acknowledge that the Bears were a Super Bowl worthy team and that the Patriots aren't JUST Tom Brady. It's demeaning to their defensive abilities. But to say that Brady didn't have surrounding offensive players but still rank in the top 6 in scoring says that they are doing something, and for the Colts to overcome a holey defense is just as remarkable. I'm just wanting it to be fair and objective.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Peyton Manning may be one of the best regular season quarterbacks in NFL history but when it is playoff time, he fails to deliver. Sure he won a Super Bowl, but it was all about the defense and Bob Sanders coming back rather than Peyton Manning. He was just along for the ride. I do give him a little bit of credit for coming back from 21-3 against the Patriots but that's about it.

The teams Brady faced in Super Bowls were a helluva lot more impressive than the 2006 Chicago Bears. The Rams were one of the best offensive teams ever and the Patriots held them to 17 points. They did a damn good job against an Eagles and their game with the Panthers was one of the most entertaining Super Bowls of all time. It doesn't matter how many points they won by or how they won it. At the end of the game, if you have more points then your opponent it is a win.

Regular season, I would take Manning almost every other quarterback but when it is playoff time, I'll take Brady, Roethlisberger, Eli, and even Rivers over Manning.

 

[stingerlegends]

Peyton Manning may be one of the best regular season quarterbacks in NFL history but when it is playoff time, he fails to deliver. Sure he won a Super Bowl, but it was all about the defense and Bob Sanders coming back rather than Peyton Manning. He was just along for the ride. I do give him a little bit of credit for coming back from 21-3 against the Patriots but that's about it.

The teams Brady faced in Super Bowls were a helluva lot more impressive than the 2006 Chicago Bears. The Rams were one of the best offensive teams ever and the Patriots held them to 17 points. They did a damn good job against an Eagles and their game with the Panthers was one of the most entertaining Super Bowls of all time. It doesn't matter how many points they won by or how they won it. At the end of the game, if you have more points then your opponent it is a win.

Regular season, I would take Manning almost every other quarterback but when it is playoff time, I'll take Brady, Roethlisberger, Eli, and even Rivers over Manning.

Read my posts. The Bears were better than the Eagles or the Panthers. And the Colts were 23rd in points allowed. It WAS NOT about the defense.

 

[NSL]

I'd easily put Manning among the greatest ever, but I don't know if I can say he's the best, or in the top 3. All of the guys I'd put at the top are retired, and because of that, we have a clear picture of their entire body of work. For all we know, Manning last 5 seasons are horrible, and he average 1500 yds and 10 TDs a year. I'm not saying it will, and probably won't, but I'd really hate to be the guy that anoints him greater than Montana, and looks like a fool when he falls apart.

He has amazing stats, is a true leader of his team, and will probably end up in the HoF as a player, and as a coach of some sort. If he's not an Offensive Coordinator or QB Coach in the NFL, I'd bet he coaches a team in the college ranks.

 

[Slyfox696]

Let's see. Manning is going to likely go down with most if not all of the major passing records.

You mean the records that currently belong to Favre?

He's got a title already

So does Favre.

and i defy you to find a QB that looks as solid in the pocket as he does.

More than Favre in his prime?

How many times has he marched his team down the field with absolute ease?

Like Favre?

I know I'll get the standard stupid line of "it's the weapons he has." Ok, that's just stupid. It takes a great QB to put those passes in the right place for those receivers to make the catches.

Agreed...but when you have Hall of Famers to throw to, it does tend to get easier.

So what do you think? Can Manning be put in the top level of QBs, up there with Marino, Montana and Elway, or is he just not that good?

How is Elway in this discussion? That doesn't make sense.

It SHOULD be Montana and Favre, with others behind.

 

[JBK2008]

I think Peyton is the best ever now and he will crush all of Favre's records at some point. The guy has been great his entire career and the team is built around him to protect his weaknesses and improve his strengths. The guy is a stat machine and he'll have all the records by the end of his career.

 

[INDYjon22]

Im not just saying this as a Colts fan or being from the "great" state of Indiana but I think Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time or at the very least will be so when it is all said and done. The man has 3 MVPs, 1 superbowl ring, and countless records. He will be the touchdown leader for quarterbacks by the time he retires and I believe he will win at least one more superbowl. The man is just superhuman when it comes to what he does. If Dan Moreno would have won a championship then I would say he was the greatest of all time but Manning has done more and will do more then Moreno did by the end of his career.

 

[KillBill]

Im not just saying this as a Colts fan or being from the "great" state of Indiana but I think Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time or at the very least will be so when it is all said and done. The man has 3 MVPs, 1 superbowl ring, and countless records. He will be the touchdown leader for quarterbacks by the time he retires and I believe he will win at least one more superbowl. The man is just superhuman when it comes to what he does. If Dan Moreno would have won a championship then I would say he was the greatest of all time but Manning has done more and will do more then Moreno did by the end of his career.

All the records, 1 superbowl ring. Thats the problem, all these top passers and great stats guys one none or 1 superbowl. Do you define greatness by stats or rings? Tom Brady will have better stats thatn Manning ion certain categories like rings, SB MVP's, and he currently has the record for td's in a season, the record Peyton had. Ill still take Brady.

By the way my friend, next Sunday nites game is gonna be huge, it should have its own thread, so I will hopefully see u there?

 

[INDYjon22]

You most certainly will see me there as long as I remember. I agree that superbowl rings mvps, and records all count towards a legacy a player will leave behind but I just think that the more records you set should count for more then rings. Just because some scrub benchwarming cornerback wins 3 rings doesnt mean hes better then Champ Bailey. As for superbowl mvps and regular mvps, just cause Brady has three doesnt make him better then Mannings regular season 3. The regular season mvps are determined over a longer stretch of time. Anyone who has a big game at the superbowl could win the superbowl mvp. Important? Yes. As important as the regular season superbowl? No. Unlike you I will take Manning anyday of the week over Brady. Both great quarterbacks I just think Manning is better and will leave behind a larger legacy.

On a side note, no fucking player has ever been able to call their own penalties during a game besides Brady. Like I said great player but hes a bitch when it comes to getting hit. I say let them play and if they get hit they get hit.