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Paul Heyman is one of the greatest wrestling minds of all time. He is also one of the greatest promoters ever. He is simply brilliant when he is in a wrestling fed. He hasn't been with a wrestling fed for an extended period since leaving WWE in 2006? b/c of disputes with Vince of the direction of the new "ECW". He is a genius and the wrestling world miss him in a role that you can see him every week.

With all that said, will we ever see Heyman back with a wrestling promotion? He has been very vocal (from what I've heardid) of not coming back, but this is pro wrestling, did any of us believe we would see HBK back for a full time years ago. If he does come back what company would he comeback with, WWE, TNA, ROH, he makes his own or other? Lastly if he did comeback how would that affect the landscape of wrestling and the wrestling fed he came back to?

Your thoughts.
 
Paul Heyman is one of the greatest wrestling minds of all time. He is also one of the greatest promoters ever. He is simply brilliant when he is in a wrestling fed. He hasn't been with a wrestling fed for an extended period since leaving WWE in 2006? b/c of disputes with Vince of the direction of the new "ECW". He is a genius and the wrestling world miss him in a role that you can see him every week.

Your thoughts.
My thoughts? My thoughts are that you seem very gullible if you think Heyman is "one of the greatest wrestling minds of all time". Just what exactly makes him that? A failed promotion? Being kicked out of his own brand? Booking terribly nonsensical angles, and relying on people all but killing themselves?

This concept that Heyman is a genius is just ridiculous. If he was a genius then ECW would have actually profited at some point, instead of closing its door after approximately 8 years after he got a hold of it.

Heyman is an asshole. Calling him one of the greatest minds ever is just completely silly.
 
My thoughts? My thoughts are that you seem very gullible if you think Heyman is "one of the greatest wrestling minds of all time". Just what exactly makes him that? A failed promotion? Being kicked out of his own brand? Booking terribly nonsensical angles, and relying on people all but killing themselves?

This concept that Heyman is a genius is just ridiculous. If he was a genius then ECW would have actually profited at some point, instead of closing its door after approximately 8 years after he got a hold of it.

Heyman is an asshole. Calling him one of the greatest minds ever is just completely silly.

I know you aren't an ECW fan so that is why you don't like him, but here me out. He was a writer on Smackdown during the beginning of brand extension, which was great. He was Brock's manager and did an excellent job, imo. He did a great job when ECW first came back, then he got kicked off because of that fact that Vince wanted to take ECW to a different direction. Heyman is a great manager and gm for anyone. He could help anyone.

Second off, the are many reasons why the original ECW failed. Heyman was one because back then he put on too many extreme rules matches, but he has learned from that.
 
Paul Heyman is respected by all those he worked with in ECW because he gave them a chance to be there, He is brilliant with getting people over with gimmicks, case in point, Justin Credible, how many people remember that he is Aldo Montoya? everyone that criticizes him, however he got over with the Justin Credible gimmick, Steve Corino credits Paul for giving him the chance. CW Anderson could have been the biggest thing in ECW if it had lasted. For what he had and the fact that he had to rebuild his roster that many times it is an impressive feat.

As for his time in the WWE we all know that Vince has one way of doing things and he is loathe to give up any ground to anyone else. It is well within grounds to actually ignore a lot of the ECW stuff that went wrong when it got brought back. Look at how December to dismember was promoted, it was bound to fail due to only two matches being promoted, and that was a Vince decision and not a Heyman so it is on those grounds that we can sort of acquit Heyman of most of the wrong. But Sly you ignore the fact that to a degree Heyman was a successful Booker, While he may not be the messiah as so many people have claimed, he did at least have something that certain wrestling writers these days don't experience in the Wrestling industry and an ability to see a logical storyline.
 
Paul Heyman...oh how I love this man!! I also happen to be one of those "silly and gullible" people who whole-heartedly believes in Paul Heyman's vision and his work. Heyman had an amazing knack for taking wrestlers that no one else saw potential in and making them into credible talent. Heyman may not have been a very wise businessman, but he possessed an incredible amount of knowledge for the wrestling business in regard to gimmicks and storylines.

With that being said, I really believe that we will never see Heyman involved in the wrestling business to the extent that he has been in the past. He has made numerous statements about this, and unfortunately, it seems as though he is sticking to his guns on the topic. Even so, I can't help but hope that someday his creative spark with return and he get the itch to make some waves in the business once again.
 
He was great "wrestling mind" as far as creative goes, he came up with some pretty good angles, storlines, feuds, whatever you wanna call them, as RVDGurl said he was able to make people who no one thought could be stars into exactly that, stars, however as far as calling Heyman a good promoter, that's just plain wrong, he was an absolute shit promoter who was far to stubborn to ever maintain any success he ever had, he destroyed ECW faster than he created it, and what's worse is that he never accepted any of the blame, so basically Heyman was great creatively, but shitty on the business side
 
I wouldn't want to see Heyman run through another promotion on the business aspect. We've seen what that leads to. However, like many of you I feel that as far as creativity goes the man is one of the greats. In the old days of ECW, he did put on WAY too many gimmick matches (a trend that TNA should go back and look at b/c as of right now, they are following that same trend).

To the point though - Heyman could really help TNA out. I'd love to see him get control (if only some) in TNA. They really need someone to get control over TNA because despite ratings being up the past few weeks, I don't see it doing well over the long haul. They have combined the problems that destroyed WCW and ECW into one company. There are too many people trying to run the show. From what I read, there is quite a bit of the same political backstage back biting that WCW had. They are giving away far too many gimmick matches on televised shows. For that matter, they are utilizing gimmick matches way too often period.

I may be wrong, but I think between Jeff Jarrett, Mick Foley, & Paul Heyman that not only could they fix these and other problems, but they could make TNA something incredible to watch. Whether or not it would ever rival WWE, I don't know. If I'm not mistaken, the ratings for TNA recently have been around the same as today's ECW. And that is with all of the things that people complain about regarding TNA now. With those three in charge, a couple more big names going to TNA, and some tweaking of the show, there is a chance that TNA could at least rival Smackdown. I don't know that Raw is within their reach ever. But then again, people said the same thing about WCW. I think TNA is a good thing that with the right situation, more hard work, and some fixes could be a great thing. They have really talented young guys working in that company. Plus, competition is aways good for a business. If they do become competition for a part of WWE's audience we would be able to witness another boom period in wrestling.

I know that with the PG rating WWE has and the PG-14 rating that TNA has that they are reaching for two different demographics right now so they don't really compete with each other. TNA is going for the whole Attitute Era feel and WWE is going for an early WWF feel. So, that does have to be taken into consideration in wondering if they will ever compete with one another. If TNA continues to build it's audience, but maintains it's direction, chances are that they won't compete with WWE - at least not the demo they are going after now in young kids. Even if that was to become the situation, two big time wrestling promotions (even if they are directed at two different demographics) would be good for the wrestling business.

Sorry that this post took a bit of a turn away from Paul Heyman, but the main focus is still him. The main point is that with the combined creative talent of Heyman, Jarrett, & Foley, TNA could see great success...Or great failure if they don't learn from past mistakes.
 

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