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Paige And The Ineveitable Double Standards

Alex

King Of The Wasteland
So Paige hade nude images and videos leaked and it's causing controversey.

Ok so anytime a person in the public eye has this done it will cause a stir but what's weird is there are people who are calling her a **** etc while there are some who are praising Brad Maddox and Xavier Woods who appear in the videos.

Also a few years ago when Seth Rollins' pictures got leaked of him showing his architect people weren't making as big a fuss as they are with Paige.

So what gives. What somebody does in their private life is up to them. If images are illegally obtained and put on the internet that's not their fault (mostly).

Let's not forget a few weeks after the leaks Seth Rollins walked out of Wrestlemania as champion. I doubt Xavier Woods is going to get into loads of trouble (Brad Maddox isn't with the company anymore so they won't punish him) but Paige will probably be lucky if she's not fired. Yeah I know people will bring up Paige's recent issues with WWE but if this was Becky Lynch or Charlotte I get the impression that the same rules would apply and they'd be lucky to keep their job and probably be jobbing for a while.
 
First of all, this isn't her fault. People can take pictures and make videos if that's their thing. It's difficult to punish someone when that person really hasn't done anything wrong.

On the other side, these weren't just nude photos. This is porn. She's having sex in these videos, one of those with (essentially) two different men. She's a public figure, so this is a problem.

I think she'll be off TV for a long, long time, and eventually released. No problem, TNA will gladly take her.
 
Woods is being clowned by a lot of people on twitter/other message boards. There certainly is Maddox "praise" but most of it seems to be satirical. The whole situation itself is being treated like that.. Obviously the leaking of personal property isn't funny, but most of the people out there aren't taking this seriously. I'm seeing a lot of OH MY GOD LMFAOOOO's and THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE's... which it is. The whole thing is pretty unbelievable.

Also, Seth Rollins was made fun of too by a lot of people and they wondered what was going to happen to him. I think the fact that nothing did happen is why people might look back at that and not really remember the exact reaction.

With all that said, I definitely do think there is a double standard within the company. Mostly because I don't have enough faith in them that there isn't. I doubt Xavier will be punished, it'll probably be a "boys will be boys" thing and forgotten about in a few weeks. Paige on the other hand, it's a good thing she's not currently touring with them, because I feel like things would be a lot harder for her. Maybe by the time she goes back on the road with them, this will have mostly blown over.

I don't think she's gonna be fired though. Regardless of how bad of a position she's in right now, if they didn't fire Rollins, if they're not gonna fire Woods, they can't fire Paige. The backlash from that would be immense and would turn into a PR nightmare.
 
Also a few years ago when Seth Rollins' pictures got leaked of him showing his architect people weren't making as big a fuss as they are with Paige.
Because nobody cares about Seths willy. But whole lot of people care when you have nude leaks, have videos(in plural) of ***** in your butt, having one man fuck you while other films and stuff like that. Oh Paige, you dirty girl.

Not really that much double standard. Most people checking those are men. Pictures of Seths willy vs pictures and videos of hot Paige having it in both holes. You can see what creates more buzz around people who would see that. Besides, it doesnt make that much difference. If that was Divas Champion Paige then it would be interesting. Wouldnt even be suprised if she was protected because would be bad PR if she was punished after that and all SJWs in the world would go after WWE. In situation where she is already on thin ice after Del Rio, wellness violation, suspension and injury, dont think this makes much difference. Most likely she would be fired soon anyway without it.
 
I'm sure people clowning Woods kick a girl who looks like Paige out of bed every day ;)

Wouldnt call it a double standard, there is simply more interest in a hot girl having nudes and various sex acts leak than some guys cock from an audience full of mostly heterosexual males.

Not to mention, Paige has got to be a top 5er of girls that people dreamt of this happening with, so that pours even more gas on the fire.

I dont think anyone will be getting fired. None of it is the fault of those involved. Tis' what grown folks do.
 
As has been mentioned, I don't see it so much as a double standard as it's simply that a lot more people, and by mean people I mean red blooded, heterosexual men, are more interested in seeing pictures and videos of beautiful female celebrities nude and/or engaged in sex acts.

Paige hasn't done anything wrong, plain and simple. What she does in her private life is just that, her private life. What consenting adults do with one another is their own business as far as I'm concerned. Don't care who has how many sex toys stuffed where or with however many partners they're doing stuff with; she's a grown, vibrant, healthy beautiful young woman that, let's face it, damn near all of us would pretty much spray our shorts if she gave us a smoldering look let alone told us she wanted to go to bed with us.

She hasn't done anything to warrant being fired, she's not a "****" or any of that other nonsense. Even if she was/is "****ty", again, so what? Celebrities are just like regular people in the sense that they often have the same likes and dislikes, they often hang out like regular people and, believe it or not, they also have sex lives.

In time, this'll eventually blow over and Paige can be kept off TV until it does. Besides, isn't she still having some issues regarding her neck that have to be fixed and worked out?

If WWE does try to fire/suspend or whatever, then I hope she sues Vince for all he's worth because I think it'd be a good example of the ultimate hypocrisy and he'd deserve to get taken down several pegs. I don't think it'll happen though as it'd send the wrong sort of message and really undo a lot of the strides women have been making in WWE over the past few years. Besides, as others have mentioned, Xavier Woods is involved in this and I don't see how WWE could let Paige go without letting Woods go. Again, what people do in their private lives is their own business, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.
 
I'm struggling to maintain sympathy for anyone who knowingly records things and then have it end up in the public eye. I used to be sympathetic, I'm just not anymore. Even if these recordings took place five years ago I just don't care that much anymore. I'm not saying putting private moments out there is right without everyone's consent. I just think the answer is to not record or hit delete after recording.

As far as the double standard, meh. The internet is the place for people to let out their inner asshole. These are just words. Paige is the real star of this group, it's not surprising that she is the one getting the most attention.

Good for Brad Maddox getting some attention though. It's funny that people say Mick Foley is a bad GM when that guy existed at some point.

Rambling, rambling, rambling.
 
This has all the makings of a double standard, but since we don't actually have videos of Rollins ejaculating on his title... it's a reach to compare the two.

Now obviously Paige didn't do it herself but she allowed it to happen, and she was the first NXT Women's Champion no less. If she wants to bust it open all over America with her two men of choice that's her business, but involving the title while being filmed was grimy as fuck.

I happen to be one of those people who do care what wrestlers do in their spare time, sue me. I was a huge Rollins fan but haven't quite gotten back there since his nudes were released by his side chick. I know shit like this happens, but at least have the decency or basic common sense to not leave a virtual trail behind.

With all that being said, I don't want Paige to get fired. However, if she does (along with everyone who was involved in the pic of the title being used) I won't be sad or outcry in her defense. All the other pics and videos I could move past but anyone involved with the title scene (no pun intended) should be punished, that disrespect shouldn't be tolerated. Male or female.
 
I know she didn't leak the video, but she could have just not filmed it in the first place.

There is no double standard. People are simply more interested in Paige than Seth Rollins. Most fans are male.

Paige should leave WWE. She wasn't on good terms in the first place after the incident with Del Rio, and this certainly isn't helping the situation.
 
I'm a very easily offended person, being offended is an art form that few can truly appreciate.

The only thing that really ticks me off about any of this is that there are people out there who share the private media of other people, and like flies on shit like-minded individuals seek that media out and aid in its proliferation.

Nobody likes being wrong. In today's age where it's much much easier for pathetic sacks of shit to congregate and thereby become morally codependent, a common narrative is "If you take intimate pictures/video, you have no right to feel victimized if someone else shares them". People who make that argument were shat into this world wrong, so I don't fault them for walling themselves up in a prison of denial so they can reassure themselves that they're not horrible people.

Here's something that very few people seem to consider; most of us don't want every other person with internet access to have a reference unto them that can cause arousal. This is impossible to realize for the worthless sacks of shit who are posting pictures of Paige in the comments of the main page, because they likely get turned on by anything that's three inches deep. For some people sex is something they think they have a right to, and that evil attractive women deprive them of.

I do what I can. I don't look at leaked media, and I chastise anyone who claims that it's their right to invade the privacy of others.
 
Well Rollins was getting a ridiculous push one way or another as a singles competitor and being in The Shield. Then Rollins is found out to had being interacting with another woman instead of what was then I think his Fiance. So in his case that fiance felt it justified posting a picture or so of him taking a nude selfie. People felt bad, because this was the guy who could potentially close Wrestlemania cashing in and he was finally on an upswing of a high end push. Of course there is favoritism towards a guy people see on TV every week and at a lot of points was getting cheered and hated equally to Cena / Lesnar.

Paige has gotten in trouble before with various incidents. Then she starts dating Alberto Del Rio, and he get's arrested 1-2 times for as stuff as far as fighting his own brother in a random European country. He requests his release, after previously being fired for what was workplace violence. Then there is a video of a highly favorited guy named Xavier Woods who just had Stephanie McMahon on a very PG YouTube channel. The same guy who Vince McMahon congratulates, and is the stand out mouth piece for a tag group that heavily appeals to kids.

That video has a former employee filming Paige riding Xavier woods, and then joining it. Then there are about 4 to 5 more videos of her doing things in pretty clear quality that gives you a pretty transparent picture. She also has that lovely NXT title picture that you don't need to mention anything else about.

These leaks go back to about 2016, but I don't think they were as wide spread buss and it was only a picture or two. So the quantity and content of the stuff that came out does play a factor in the buzz believe it or not. The double standard is there, but it can't really be used as some moral high ground or point that deconstructs the behavior or reaction by fans. Rollins actually if anything had more buzz considering a single picture mounted him long threads on any pro-wrestling board and even other non-related forums I was on at that time. Also there are several women who have done porn that you can obtain from a quick google search or try to obtain it on the roster. One of them is a NXT women's champion.

No it's not her fault, and it's unfortunate for both her and Xavier. The guy who leaked this supposedly has pictures and other videos on the women of WWE, and is just kind of a creep who has a personal collection. She isn't mentioned on TV nearly at all so I don't picture her being held at gun point or anything ridiculous. Any level headed person I have seen who decided to look or not had sympathy for Paige and Xavier with jokes aside. Also she is by what we have seen, heard, and can tell a **** by definition. With a predominantly male fan base it's not surprising to read people say it online where there is no thought filter or repercussion. The movie being made about her life and everything is kind of awkward with this whole ordeal coming about, and RAW being two days away that New Day segment we usually see is a mystery.

I don't think, or hope they would be harsh on the girl. If anything WWE covering her to go to rehab or something at this point would be a good thing. The only guy who's really bad news here in all seriousness is the creep who leaked the stuff. The WWE men and women deal with a lot of stuff that just isn't cool, and it's just insane to me that people like that exist. The lame guy trying to bring a Chris benoit sign or whatever is one thing, but it just get's to a point where you're doing illegal things to fuel an obsession. I wish there was a better way for them to go about stuff like this, and hardcore stalkers because it is just shitty to see people who put their health on the line for fans that are the sick kid in a hospital or the older nostalgia couple in the front row.
 
I don't think this will affect Paige's professional relationship with WWE. I'm sure they will stand by her. We cannot be so naive though to think it cannot affect perception of her. Universities are suspending their athletic teams over text messages which contained sexist and/or racist comments that were leaked. Those were private as well. Context is everything. Seth Rollins had a jilted lover leak a picture that some of us have sent and hopefully don't get leaked *crosses fingers*. The Paige situation has someone ejaculating on the NXT Women's title.

We can't go on the assumption of if this was a male wrestler because WWE released Hulk Hogan after his actions and he is a much bigger name than Paige. Like I said, context. You have to take everything into account. It's not just the videos and photos, it's being popped on the Wellness Violation twice and her and her family mouthing off about WWE. She won't be fired, but I can see how perception of her might be affected. I hope she can refocus and bring back the wrestler she had shown she was capable of.
 
I also agree with GSB's comments regarding sympathy for Paige. On one hand, I admit that I do feel sort of bad for her but I also feel like she's pretty fucking stupid at the same time. If you take nude pics of yourself or record yourself having sex, then there's always a possibility that said images or recordings are going to be leaked online. I think the people who hack these people's private lives are crap but, at the same time, celebrities should especially know better by now than to have this stuff stored on their phones in the first place.
 
I'm surprised when celebrities get upset when nude pictures or sex tapes get leaked to the public. Mostly because there is a good chance someone might get their hands on them and leak them to the public. The best way to prevent this is to delete them off your phone/computer, put them on a stick drive and place them someplace where only you can access it. I'm not saying it's wrong to take nude pics or make sex tapes, but you should use common sense when it comes to protecting them. Or just delete them altogether after a while.

With that said, Paige is not at fault here. I do feel bad for her as these were obviously meant to be private, but they somehow got into the hands of someone who chose to exploit her. What happens in the bedroom between consenting adults is their business. These pics and videos do show that she is a bit of a freak when it comes to sex and that's okay. We all have some freak side to us when it comes sex with some more so than others. She shouldn't be blamed for what a large majority of people do behind closed doors.

Paige is certainly on thin ice right now with the WWE. With the company apparently not approving of her relationship with the wrestler formerly known as Alberto Del Rio and having a couple of Wellness Policy strikes to her name, her future certainly seems bleak. But I don't see her getting fired over this. That would be a huge PR nightmare if the WWE tried to. The only way I can see her released is if some parent group or sponsor demand something be done about it. Even if she does get released, it's not the end of the world for her or her career. She's a young, talented and beautiful woman, and I have no doubt she will find work elsewhere.

But I am curious as to what might happen to Xavier Woods. Brad Maddox is safe since he was let go a while back. But Woods is something that might be intriguing. After all, doesn't the WWE have the M.O. of punishing someone just for being guilty by association?
 
Well, there's a lot to dissect here regarding double standards.

Let's start with the obvious...Paige had a lot of negative strikes against her prior to this. She has been reported as having attitude problems, she's had mounting injuries, she's aligned herself with someone who the company has beef with, has made appearances alongside him at rival companies events, and has failed 2 (of a maximum 3) wellness strikes. So before anyone acts like this is the same thing as Seth, it totally isn't. Seth had absolutely perfect marks from everyone in the company, and was well on his way to being champ (thus holding MITB) before his enraged girlfriend posted those images.

Back to Paige... even with all those strikes against her, the fact that the Rock and WWE studios were making a movie about her family, indicates that their intent was to mend fences and move in a positive direction with her after this all got sorted out.

BUT...then this happened.

This is a difficult situation to handle. Triple H's rationale for why Chyna can never be in the Hall Of Fame is because his daughter's couldn't google her....well. Sex is normal, it's human, we all do it, and yes it was her private property that was stolen, so obviously she shouldn't be fired for that, at least not initially.

But then as the leaks went out, things got more questionable. Her having sex with Brad is one thing, he's not even with the company anymore.

The two that are gonna be problematic, are the one of her and Xavier with Brad filming them, because while it's none of our business, it has just taken the image of one of the most squeaky clean personalities on the roster, someone who is HEAVILY invested in, with merchandise, up up down down, the cereal, the ice cream, now hosting WrestleMania, and totally damaged his perception. Whether it was personal, stolen, whatever...it's out there now. If Donald Trump did something questionable in secret, and it later leaked, would the country just accept it and move on because they weren't supposed to see it? Clearly not, because that's not how it works in real life.

I think far and away the image that has killed her career though, is the one of (presumably) Brad Maddox, blowing his load on the NXT Women's Title. If Vince was mad about Medusa/Alundra trashing the belt on TV, could you imagine how incensed he must be over this one? This is a disgrace of the symbol they use to signify the employees they put their most faith in. I highly doubt it's the first time something like it has happened, but it is the first time it's happened publicly.

So, do I think there's a double standard if Paige receives repercussions that Seth or Xavier didn't/don't? Not really. Because she had already been on the thinnest ice imaginable before any of this happened, where as the two of them had been model employees up to the point their incidents occurred, and even what they did in their respective leaks, don't really compare to hers.

Do I think there's a double standard in the amount of attention this is getting, versus Seth's? Probably, but then again, Seth's was only a couple of pictures of himself, not engaged in the act, and realistically WWE's audience is primarily made up of young heterosexual men, so of course it's going to attract more attention, that's just human nature.
 
i really don't see why their is so much talk of a double standard here. I think that your are making a big fuss over nothing on this one really.

By the time, Paige is ready to come back to WWE, this will have blown over and she's probably gonna get the same spot she had before leaving WWE

The only double standard i could see it's from the fans themselves especially on social medias, which could be a bigger problem with the way she handle the situation.


If Paige was coming back in a couple of weeks, i could see it be a big problem, but from the latest report, she'S not due to come back until at less July, plus by the time i finish writing this, probably nobody will be talking about this because i read that Summer Rae is kinda stuck in the same boat and her sex tape will be leak as well
 
There's already rumors of having The New Day kept off TV until 'Mania. Which is like begging the Wrestlmania crowd to chant "Paige" at them when they finally do appear. It's going to be a double standard. They probably aren't happy at Paige to begin with, and it's hard not seeing them try to use this to hurt whatever standing she still has left with the company. And it's a damn shame, because what happened to her was a crime. I feel bad for her and Xavier right now.

I will say, the thing with the title DOES bother me, and out of all the screw ups she could have made, that was the biggest one. Like. Get Asuka a new belt. Something really, really nice. Or let her keep it. Maybe she'll cherish it more now. That being said, Shawn Michaels rubbed the WWF title on his genitals for Playgirl, JBL's sexually assaulted Edge in the shower, and god knows how many other WWE champions have done something similar over the years in their own private lives. God knows true and well Ric Flair's done exactly what Paige has.

I say move on like nothing happened. It's not a scandal. Paige sure as hell isn't going to make Linda McMahon look any worse, so if they're worried about political ramifications, then need to get over it. Walk it off, move on. Let the crowd chant for a week or two at Woods, and let everyone get on with their lives.
 
ADR got himself a dirty girl. We all know all the wrestlers and divas sleep around, Paige was just stupid enough to keep it on her phone. Maybe this is how she shot up ranks so fast.
 
It's complete and utter BS to say that Paige or any celebrity shouldn't record sex acts. Sex is normal part of life - most people have or will have sex in their lifetime. It's very normal for people to film or photograph sex.

Why should someone have to sacrifice a normal and average part of their sex life because one day they decided, "screw it, I'm gonna wrestle - professionally."

I've recorded myself having sex with my girlfriend, and other girlfriends in the past. Girlfriends have sent me sexually charged images, and that freaking rocked.

Where is this social contract that they forgo a right to create these images or videos simply because they became publicly notable? I hate to use liberal buzz phrases like victim blaming, but that's what this is.

I feel bad for Paige, but at the same time pretty much everyone has sex sooner or later. Headline: "Paige likes sex, sky is blue, movie at 11." Who cares? With her level of celebrity status, she's well acquainted with the invasion of privacy that is public life. This one just might be embarrassing, but embarrassment is a social construct. It just probably sucks that most people in the world - including your family - have instant access to a video of you asking to be F'd in the A.

By now, everyone has looked and most holier than thous are either lying or feeling mighty high on their farts for not. The information is out there, we all die some day, so does it matter? Give yourself a good long think before you look though, this person did not consent. She's not Jenna Jameson, she didn't ask to filmed publicly.

What she did in privacy was a gift for how she felt in those times about Brad Maddox, Xavier Woods, Alberto and whoever else is in those videos. She's not a lesser person for gifting great sex onto these individuals - she's awesome. She just got bent over by some jackasses hacking her or finding her phone or whatever.

Paige should hold her head high. WWE absolutely must not fire Paige. They should bring her back to television.

Firing Paige would be colossal error. What happened when pictures of Seth Rollins' Donald Trump sized weiner leaked on the internet? He won the WWE title.

WWE should be empowering human beings and supporting the victim of a brutal cyber attack. They should bring Paige back if only to drive this point home. She's not a bad person for having a normal and healthy sex life. She's a normal woman.

TL;DR

No one deserves having their sexy times leaked online. Paige should hold her head high. WWE must not fire Paige. You should be conscious of what you're doing if you look at her photos. Paige should come back and be pushed as a top heel in a non-title feud.
 
So Paige hade nude images and videos leaked and it's causing controversey.

Ok so anytime a person in the public eye has this done it will cause a stir but what's weird is there are people who are calling her a **** etc while there are some who are praising Brad Maddox and Xavier Woods who appear in the videos.

Also a few years ago when Seth Rollins' pictures got leaked of him showing his architect people weren't making as big a fuss as they are with Paige.

So what gives. What somebody does in their private life is up to them. If images are illegally obtained and put on the internet that's not their fault (mostly).

Let's not forget a few weeks after the leaks Seth Rollins walked out of Wrestlemania as champion. I doubt Xavier Woods is going to get into loads of trouble (Brad Maddox isn't with the company anymore so they won't punish him) but Paige will probably be lucky if she's not fired. Yeah I know people will bring up Paige's recent issues with WWE but if this was Becky Lynch or Charlotte I get the impression that the same rules would apply and they'd be lucky to keep their job and probably be jobbing for a while.

I think it's a bit different when all Rollins had was a picture of his tool while in the leaks there's a picture of Paige with some guys jizz on the NXT Womans Title.......
 
I'm sort of on the same page as GSB and Jack Hammer as well, as in who gives a shit and she's a stupid bitch.

Yes sex is a normal part of life and yes a lot of people either photograph or film it, but there is a difference here. How many times have we seen a famous person get a sex tape or nude photo's released? A lot, too much in fact. I'm tired of it. When you are in the public eye you have to take into consideration that there are assholes out there who will poke into every nook and cranny, no pun intended or implied, of your personal life. If you want to have sex and film it then you shouldn't be surprised if one day it ends up on the internet for everyone unfortunately to see.

The thing now is what happens? With Rollins it was a disgruntled ex girlfriend who put his nudes out there on Twitter. Maybe he shouldn't have been fooling around on her, but that's another story. But anyway it was swept under the rug and nothing was said. With Paige though, she strikes me as the type of person who always skates closer to the edge than is necessary. If they are looking for a way to get rid of her, this might be the catalyst for them to do so. In saying that though, Xavier Woods would have to be released as well as he is part of the whole thing.

Actually that might be her saving grace here, as he is part of one of the most popular acts on the roster right now. So if getting rid of her means they also have to fire him, she might just be safe for awhile longer. My feeling though is Paige is skating on thin ice and as been for the longest time. One of these days she is going to break through and we'll not see her in a WWE ring anymore.
 
I'm sort of on the same page as GSB and Jack Hammer as well, as in who gives a shit and she's a stupid bitch.

Yes sex is a normal part of life and yes a lot of people either photograph or film it, but there is a difference here. How many times have we seen a famous person get a sex tape or nude photo's released? A lot, too much in fact. I'm tired of it. When you are in the public eye you have to take into consideration that there are assholes out there who will poke into every nook and cranny, no pun intended or implied, of your personal life. If you want to have sex and film it then you shouldn't be surprised if one day it ends up on the internet for everyone unfortunately to see.

By that logic we should blame her if she was robbed at gunpoint. She's famous. Criminals know she has money. People get robbed all the time. So why on Earth should she be surprised that someone's stealing from her?

Seriously. Being famous isn't an automatic invitation for bad people to do bad things to you. You're just two steps away from "she was wearing a short skirt, she was asking for it". You're wording is better than that granted, but it's the same damn principle. Having a sex life, being famous, or being wealthy is not a green light for having bad things happen to you and it being okay. Should she be surprised? Maybe not. But given she's made all of one reasonable tweet just letting everyone know that her shit was stolen, I'd say you're just calling her a stupid bitch just to call her a stupid bitch.

PS, Vanilla Midget is my hero in this thread.
 
By that logic we should blame her if she was robbed at gunpoint. She's famous. Criminals know she has money. People get robbed all the time. So why on Earth should she be surprised that someone's stealing from her?

Seriously. Being famous isn't an automatic invitation for bad people to do bad things to you. You're just two steps away from "she was wearing a short skirt, she was asking for it". You're wording is better than that granted, but it's the same damn principle. Having a sex life, being famous, or being wealthy is not a green light for having bad things happen to you and it being okay. Should she be surprised? Maybe not. But given she's made all of one reasonable tweet just letting everyone know that her shit was stolen, I'd say you're just calling her a stupid bitch just to call her a stupid bitch.

PS, Vanilla Midget is my hero in this thread.

No that's not what I said at all. Where did I said it was a green light for bad things to happen to her.

What I said was as a famous person, she has to be more careful than the average person on the street. No one wants to hack into the guy next door's social media account, it's not exciting enough and no one else would care. If if the guy or gal next door is Paige then yea, she's well known and and if something like this is found it becomes newsworthy for a certain segment of the population who follow wrestling.

It's not like this hasn't happened before to a famous person who has had a sex tape released. Whoever filmed this or whoever's idea it was should have been more careful. Now I'm not saying that the hacker was right, of course they weren't, but if you leave things there for them to find, they will find it and use it. Better off putting it somewhere where no one can get their hands on it.
 

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