At the end of tonight's TNA Impact, Samoa Joe contemplated hitting Sharmell with a chair, but then decided to throw her over his shoulder and take her to the back to presumably ravage her. At the end of Raw, Orton almost decapitated Steph-o-Mac with a DDT and then kissed her. It's funny how WWE condones violence on women but didn't want to go through with anything sexually vivid, while TNA decided to spare the violence and go full blown with sexual innuendo. When I was watching Impact the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is exactly how WWE would have played the stephanie-orton angle a few years ago. So, my question to you is which do you think was more effective? The violence with little sexual connotation or the no violence with the presumed ravaging? Which angle was the more grown up angle? Which made you want to watch more without the episode ending?
Orton v. Samoa Joe
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legendkiller6
RKO "WWE Champion"
I like the way WWE did it. The whole time I was screaming kiss her kiss her! Then he finally did, and Trips reaction, it was great! I'm not exactly thrilled with the whole PG thing, but this program with Orton/HHH has been pretty good. I'm looking forward to their match at mania.
WATSONationWWE
Dark Match Winner
somoa joe is a fatass reject. Orton is one of..if not the best wrestler entertainer in world. somoa cant cut a promo any better than festus. all he does is say how bout i kick your ass? then he tries to bully others. ortons angle is MUCH better
Allow me to be a voice of reason here since clearly the replies have been that of TNA HATERS with a WWE bias. I dont see how you can talk about the two when it seems you cleary didnt watch both angles since none of you, legendkilller6, INDYjon22, or WATSONationWWE even mentioned one single thing from the Joe angle. A better response would be two atleast compare the two in some kind of way. Saying joe is a "fatass" doesnt really have anything to do with the question.
Looking at both of the angles the advantage is definitely by far on the Orton side because it allowed the audience to connect. It had a much slower build. The Joe situation went by way to fast. Also, one on one fueds are almost always the best Orton-HHH is great and Joe is moreso fueding with a group there isnt any solid focus.
Joe and Orton are completely seperate Orton has much more of a mental attack. Joe is portrayed crazy and just almost insane to the point where he would even seem capable of stabbing someone especially with the new weapon he carries around. Orton has a goal of winning the championship by any means necessary. Joe has no interest in winning matches the last couple times i've seen him he gets DQ's on purpose and just wants to hurt people. He is out for blood not gold.
Orton fued is better but as far as which of the two incidents made me want to continue to watch more without the episode ending was the Joe-Sharmelle situation. Simply, because the Orton-Stephanie situation played out completely in front of us there wasnt much more to see.
However, with Joe he carried her out the building and there was nothing else we got to see, it leaves more to the imagination and makes you wonder what he would do, with everything he is capable of.
Looking at both of the angles the advantage is definitely by far on the Orton side because it allowed the audience to connect. It had a much slower build. The Joe situation went by way to fast. Also, one on one fueds are almost always the best Orton-HHH is great and Joe is moreso fueding with a group there isnt any solid focus.
Joe and Orton are completely seperate Orton has much more of a mental attack. Joe is portrayed crazy and just almost insane to the point where he would even seem capable of stabbing someone especially with the new weapon he carries around. Orton has a goal of winning the championship by any means necessary. Joe has no interest in winning matches the last couple times i've seen him he gets DQ's on purpose and just wants to hurt people. He is out for blood not gold.
Orton fued is better but as far as which of the two incidents made me want to continue to watch more without the episode ending was the Joe-Sharmelle situation. Simply, because the Orton-Stephanie situation played out completely in front of us there wasnt much more to see.
However, with Joe he carried her out the building and there was nothing else we got to see, it leaves more to the imagination and makes you wonder what he would do, with everything he is capable of.
Im going with Orton on this one, I think TNA have gone a little over the top with the changes they have made to Joe. Randy Orton is systematically destroying the McMahon Helmsley collective and he has a problem with each one of them personally, he wants HHH's belt, Vince was gonna fire him, Shane attacked him and he was pissed off with Steph's booking, so he has motive for his actions. Joe on the other hand has absolutely no reason to attack Sharmell in my opinion, he has just deemed her guilty by association and if they are trying to imply that he took her out back to ravage her, then as much as im sick of MEM I hope they tear Joe to pieces. WWE wins this one
Legendkillerko
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I've never liked Fat Joe. He's bland and has honestly, who can believe that he ever would stand a chance against Angle IRL. He's horrible and Orton is the best in the business, he proved that he's the best heel when him and Legacy screwed Triple H over. Edge, Big Show, we all know Cena will win, Jericho?????? No one cares!!!!!! Orton!!!!! LEGACY IS BORN BETTER!!!!:2009 Age of Legacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chrisjeffers
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Thats to most of you!
Sure the Orton-Mcmahon family Feud is better then Samoa Joe - MeM feud!
Joe died when Umaga got big! Sorry Joe but he looks 1000x better!
Joe is a whiney little Bitch! But he is still young! And Tna isn't giving up on him like wwe would have! Joe will get mic skills eventualy!
But look at the other side of it....
The strongest McMahon isn't there... Linda was always been top!
The top MeM memeber is kurt Angle... As it should be! Sting is old! Nash is crippled! What has Booker T ever done? Stienner? What are they doing with him? At least wwe gave him the title!
So how is the ppv going to be?
WWE wins... But because WWE is more famous... They both suck!
Sure the Orton-Mcmahon family Feud is better then Samoa Joe - MeM feud!
Joe died when Umaga got big! Sorry Joe but he looks 1000x better!
Joe is a whiney little Bitch! But he is still young! And Tna isn't giving up on him like wwe would have! Joe will get mic skills eventualy!
But look at the other side of it....
The strongest McMahon isn't there... Linda was always been top!
The top MeM memeber is kurt Angle... As it should be! Sting is old! Nash is crippled! What has Booker T ever done? Stienner? What are they doing with him? At least wwe gave him the title!
So how is the ppv going to be?
WWE wins... But because WWE is more famous... They both suck!
Kennedy316
Dark Match Winner
Okay, despite the fact that I understand the lack of Samoa Joe love, this angle that TNA is running isn't his fault, so I don't really get the Joe hatred that this thread seems to have become. This isn't a Orton vs Samoa Joe in general thread (at least not based on what I read) but just about the angles.
WWE's angle is more intense, more fueled, whereas Joe just seems to be meh in terms of intensity. He's not feuding with Book, so why go after Sharmel? She was just wrong place wrong time. To me, it actually lessens the Joe character in this instance more, irregardless of whether we see it or not, because it is a woman who was just in the way and now she needs to be "punished." So basically what you have is a fat Samoan assaulting a helpless woman.
With Orton, his moves were calculated. People are supposed to hate Randy, and therefore his abuse of Stephanie adds fuel to that fire because people like her, either because she has big tits or because she's married to Trips, or both. It moves all characters along. With Joe, you look at it and go "Okay, he's carrying a helpless woman, who just happened to be there, wrong place, wrong time, to the back." It's not planned, it's not a strategy. It's a spur of the moment reation, which basically screams "Yeah, I'll beat a woman. What?" What does assaulting the wife of one guy in a group that your feuding with do for the angle? Not much, in my opinion. Is it going to make Scott Steiner pissed off? No. Kurt Angle? Not quite. It doesn't really do anything but piss off Book.
Adding the abduction of Sharmel to the MEM/Joe angle does nothing. Starting the RKO/Trips run with an assault on Stephanie McMahon was brilliant.
And besides, Joe only walked out of the arena with her because Spike won't allow any male/female violence on Impact.
WWE's angle is more intense, more fueled, whereas Joe just seems to be meh in terms of intensity. He's not feuding with Book, so why go after Sharmel? She was just wrong place wrong time. To me, it actually lessens the Joe character in this instance more, irregardless of whether we see it or not, because it is a woman who was just in the way and now she needs to be "punished." So basically what you have is a fat Samoan assaulting a helpless woman.
With Orton, his moves were calculated. People are supposed to hate Randy, and therefore his abuse of Stephanie adds fuel to that fire because people like her, either because she has big tits or because she's married to Trips, or both. It moves all characters along. With Joe, you look at it and go "Okay, he's carrying a helpless woman, who just happened to be there, wrong place, wrong time, to the back." It's not planned, it's not a strategy. It's a spur of the moment reation, which basically screams "Yeah, I'll beat a woman. What?" What does assaulting the wife of one guy in a group that your feuding with do for the angle? Not much, in my opinion. Is it going to make Scott Steiner pissed off? No. Kurt Angle? Not quite. It doesn't really do anything but piss off Book.
Adding the abduction of Sharmel to the MEM/Joe angle does nothing. Starting the RKO/Trips run with an assault on Stephanie McMahon was brilliant.
And besides, Joe only walked out of the arena with her because Spike won't allow any male/female violence on Impact.
Jack-Hammer
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I'm not wild about the PG rating, but I enjoyed the way that the WWE pulled off the angle, at least up until WM25. One thing that helped with the whole thing is that the WWE stopped treating fans like complete fools and acknowledged what we've all known forever anyway, namely that Stephanie and Triple H are married. Another thing is that, despite Triple H going a little over the top while shaking with rage, honestly the guy looked like he was on the verge of a seizure, it's a realistic setting. What man isn't going to be homicidal when some guy beats up on his woman? It's simple, basic, realistic and something that anybody even remotely normal can relate to.
As I mentioned earlier, I feel that a nice twist of the angle would've been for Stephanie to be involved in WM25 and to turn on Triple H for Orton. Maybe even go a little further and do something to suggest Triple H's kids are really Orton's kids. But, then again, that's just me.
The thing that's going on with Joe is something that's been done over and over again. A guy gets beaten up badly, takes a little time off and then comes back with at least a slightly different look but with a different attitude, more aggressive, becomes virtually unstoppable for a while etc. I'm not all that fond of Samoa Joe, but I do respect the guy. Everybody is so obsessed with having wrestlers look so chiseled and cut, but they don't seem to care if the guy actually has any actual wrestling ability. Joe is pretty athletic for a guy his size, although I don't think it'd kill him to hit the weights a little. I don't buy into the whole "crazy" Joe because he doesn't look physically intimidating to me, and that is a downside to his look. A wrestler's physical appearance/build can, sometimes, affect how a viewer looks at the angle he's working. When I see Joe, I don't see an unstoppable, unbalanced super bad-ass.
As I mentioned earlier, I feel that a nice twist of the angle would've been for Stephanie to be involved in WM25 and to turn on Triple H for Orton. Maybe even go a little further and do something to suggest Triple H's kids are really Orton's kids. But, then again, that's just me.
The thing that's going on with Joe is something that's been done over and over again. A guy gets beaten up badly, takes a little time off and then comes back with at least a slightly different look but with a different attitude, more aggressive, becomes virtually unstoppable for a while etc. I'm not all that fond of Samoa Joe, but I do respect the guy. Everybody is so obsessed with having wrestlers look so chiseled and cut, but they don't seem to care if the guy actually has any actual wrestling ability. Joe is pretty athletic for a guy his size, although I don't think it'd kill him to hit the weights a little. I don't buy into the whole "crazy" Joe because he doesn't look physically intimidating to me, and that is a downside to his look. A wrestler's physical appearance/build can, sometimes, affect how a viewer looks at the angle he's working. When I see Joe, I don't see an unstoppable, unbalanced super bad-ass.
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TNA's on Spike. Spike is the MAN'S network. Naturally, TNA's going to push the envelope a little more than the WWE. They have to. They don't have very much else to go with. Fat Joe is a shadow of his former self and is simply not as dangerous as I perceived him to be when he first debuted in TNA. With the "Joe's gonna kill you" shtick going on, I was thinking maybe this guy was bad ass. Instead, he's just fat. He needs a dose of ROH or Japanese wrestling to get his aura back. He's just comically bad now. Kinda like Kane. Plus, Joe's not 'scary' looking. That paint looks stupid. And his weapon's stupid, too. I don't know if he's actually used it, but until he does, it's a prop. Abdullah the Butcher ALWAYS uses his fork, Stan Hansen always used his bullrope in some form, and WCW Sting used the baseball bat all the time. HHH uses his sledgehammer, etc. A weapon's a prop until it's used.
And Orton kissing Stephanie goes over way more than Samoa Joe 'ravaging' Sharmell. It's just that we actually see Orton KISS Stephanie, and we see HHH's reaction as it happens. What Joe did merely implied something was going to happen. Orton wins.
And Orton kissing Stephanie goes over way more than Samoa Joe 'ravaging' Sharmell. It's just that we actually see Orton KISS Stephanie, and we see HHH's reaction as it happens. What Joe did merely implied something was going to happen. Orton wins.