No DQ matches are ridiculous!

[Mustang Sally]

Referring to the one just contested on Smackdown featuring Daniel Bryan vs. Kane.

Or, should I say: Daniel Bryan vs. Kane, Joey Mercury & Jamie Noble.

Hell, if pro wrestling is to possess any logic at all, "No DQ" should be defined as applying only to a contest between scheduled opponents. If they want to use weapons, let 'em.....as long as all participants have the same ability to fetch & use kendo sticks, chairs, and all that crap.

But the "No DQ" stipulation shouldn't apply to outside interference by other parties. When Mercury & Noble came in, the referee should have been able to disqualify them.

Failing that, why didn't Daniel load up? Why is the good guy always so stupid? He knew damn well Kane would be accompanied by other members of the Authority, right? Since he had moderated a friendly conference with Dolph Ziggler, Ryback & Erick Rowan at the beginning of the show, why didn't he bring those guys down to the ring to insure that Mercury & Noble kept their noses out of it?

Come to think of it, we saw those three good guys storm the ring after the match officially ended, right? Shit, if they were so morally offended at what was happening to Daniel during the 3 on 1, why didn't they chase their asses down during the match? Huh? Huh?

For that matter, if there's no disqualification in any case, why did Mercury & Noble bother to stand outside the ring at all? Why not just get in there and battle on Kane's side from the beginning? Kane would have suffered a lot less punishment if they had, right?

Then again, there are probably a lot of things that would be done differently if pro wrestling showed logic........so..... never mind.

 

[L@RISANO]

Rant over now, Sally?

You basically answered your own question.

The Heels gang up because they have no morals and just want to have power and be successful regardless.
The Faces have morals and thus, they always seem to fight by themselves and only come to help each other sporadically. That is one gripe I had after the Shield broke up and Reigns and Ambrose became almost virtual strangers even though they were still on good terms and had the same enemies.


#WWELogicAtItsFinest

As a famous man once said, "Deal with it!"

 

[Richard Blonoff]

Haha man, I almost infracted this because I forgot that Smackdown is on Thursday nights now instead of Friday.

I think part of the problem recently with no DQ/streetfight/fall count anywhere matches is that it is guaranteed members of The Authority are going to get involved. I get wanting to give your top faces their big moments and have them overcome the odds, but lately all stipulation matches have been super predictable. Its always some combination of J&J Security, Kane, Big Show, or even Triple H himself who get involved and they pretty much overbook the match. Its too predictable in my opinion.

 

[BringThePain834]

I'm tired of seeing people complain that there is no logic in certain gimmick matches without a legitimate reason for doing so.

The Heels gang up because they have no morals and just want to have power and be successful regardless.
The Faces have morals and thus, they always seem to fight by themselves and only come to help each other sporadically.

This. If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that there is no such thing as no logic in anything. You have to build up your feuds somehow, so sometimes it's necessary to do No DQ matches and to book interference by heels and faces in order to accomplish that. Another goal that the creative team should accomplish is to get the fans to support one particular wrestler and to get them to hate the other. It's all pretty logical if you ask me

 

[L@RISANO]

Haha man, I almost infracted this because I forgot that Smackdown is on Thursday nights now instead of Friday.

I think part of the problem recently with no DQ/streetfight/fall count anywhere matches is that it is guaranteed members of The Authority are going to get involved. I get wanting to give your top faces their big moments and have them overcome the odds, but lately all stipulation matches have been super predictable. Its always some combination of J&J Security, Kane, Big Show, or even Triple H himself who get involved and they pretty much overbook the match. Its too predictable in my opinion.

See the problem I see with the Authority stuff, is that the Babyfaces are rarely booked to help each other when it really matters.

We hear in promos from babyfaces,"the Authority makes All our lives miserable".
But then, they all are booked to fight alone with no help whatsoever, and its not like the Authority has to bar Babyface X from ringside or anything...


I really hope that after the Rumble, a couple of Superstars form a loose alliance to combat the Authority, regardless of Sting's presence behind the scenes. That would help freshen the Authority stuff a little bit,lMO, because recently it has been unbearable for the most part with regards to the Full Time Roster Babyfaces who have all been chumps, lMO.

 

[Navi]

I can see why Sally is ranting because I've done my fair share of it as well. I go on one when this starts up on TV and my son just looks at me and goes "But Mom their heel's, that's what they do" end of rant for me.

It is understandable though, as since the Authority has come into power, I've never seen so much interference in matches. Yes you used to have your run ins from time to time, and occasionally there would be a manager or another wrestler standing there helping out a bit, but it has reached the point of just plain dumb. It happens in almost every match now, and it is predictable. When something is predictable it's not entertaining. Not to me anyway.

 

[Kris Benwa]

Maybe they didn't come out during the match because Daniel Bryan is in the rumble and he's a heavy favorite to win it. It makes sense storyline wise that whatever punishment he takes during the match they'll let happen because a not 100% DB gives them a better chance to possibly win the RR and Main event WM. Obviously they had to come out at some point to not look bad and they had made friends in the beginning of the show but I can see why they would let the match play it's course. I've no problem with no DQ matches. I think it's a good way for the Authority to stick it to people because you know it's basically a jumping

 

[Freddy4190]

DQ matches hold no value in 2015 WWE. Don't get me wrong, i'm not all "HURRDURR PILEDRIVERS AND CHAIRSHOTS TO THE HEAD NEED TO BE LEGALIZED." but for them to have as many no DQ matches in PG era WWE with no real weapons, no real violence, no real.. dirty tactics other then interference is kind of useless. Like, they watered down the Hell in a Cell matches with the annual PPV. As far as why the faces are gonna be dumb, it's that classic underdog scenario. Everyone loves a good underdog, or at least that's how they're gonna portray it. What better what to get everyone to cheer then have Bryan beat down the Authority, while the odds are against him. A lot of it doesn't make sense at all, YES, Bryan should have had help, YES he should have enlisted Ziggles, Ryback, and Rowan, but... WWE kind of throws logic out the window a lot nowadays, sooo... it is what it is.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Rant over now, Sally?

Yes, I'm done.

Actually, you understand this was a joke post. The reason pro wrestling is what it is has to do with the crazy, illogical aspects thrown at us each and every show. It makes it all fun.....but it's occasionally interesting to try and break down some of the absurdities....if for no other reason than to make fun of them.

My chief point, though, was the last one; if there's no way for Kane to suffer a loss by disqualification, there was no reason for Mercury & Noble to attack Daniel when the referee's back was turned, which they were doing early in the match. Really, they might as well have just stayed in the ring and triple-teamed Bryan the entire match.....there wasn't a reason on Earth not to.

You want to feel sympathy for someone? Feel sorry for the referee....the poor, powerless SOB who's there only to count the pinfall at the end of the match.

That pro wrestling is so nutty is the only reason Daniel would go to the ring without his own reinforcements, right? Hasn't he seen enough of the Authority's tricks to know what's going to happen, for gosh sakes?

But, as pointed out in this topic, good guys do these stupid things because they're good guys.....and they can't overcome overwhelming odds if they don't allow themselves to be placed in seemingly impossible situations in the first place.


Pro Wrestling......it makes no sense, but it's ours!

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I generally have no problem with no DQ matches. It's fun to see a match every so often where there's generally "no rules" to speak of.

In the grand scheme of things, the way Bryan vs. Kane was done last night makes sense when you look at all the factors: Daniel Bryan is a valiant underdog that fans have rallied around, Bryan is also a legitimate threat to The Authority that they want to keep as far from the title scene as possible, they stack the deck against Bryan by putting him in a match where any interference from heels is perfectly fine, Bryan overcomes the odds anyway to win the match and everyone's happy.

At the same time, the problem is that this level of interference has become much to formulaic in WWE. It seems as though the only way WWE will allow a main event to end clean, or in a way resembling clean, is if there's a no DQ match where someone winds up being pinned or forced to submit due to massive amounts of interference. Otherwise, the interference results in a DQ or no contest finish most of the time. Much like Wade Barrett as Intercontinental Champion, Vince looks like he has some sort of bias against clean finishes on TV.

Since we've seen this happen so many times, especially in no DQ matches concerning an Authority member, I, unfortunately, expect the same thing to happen this Sunday in the WWE Championship match. I think there'll be an overly booked clusterfuck with Mercury, Noble, Show & Kane trying to run interference for Seth Rollins in the closing minutes of the match as triple threat matches are no DQ. It'd be perfectly fine to see that happen if it wasn't something we'd see WWE do on Raw, SD! or both at least once a week for most of the past year.

 

[bioshock]

I think the problem is these no DQ matches are happening all the time, just too many damn run ins. Even when the Rock was in the Corporation he didn't need help in the ring so many times.

And look at it like this, how weak does Kane look when he constantly needs help from 2 guys half his size and still loses, well still taps out.

 

[Bockwinkel's Class]

I think the problem is these no DQ matches are happening all the time, just too many damn run ins. Even when the Rock was in the Corporation he didn't need help in the ring so many times.

And look at it like this, how weak does Kane look when he constantly needs help from 2 guys half his size and still loses, well still taps out.

Pretty much this. The only real problem with No DQ matches is that over the past 20 years Creative practically always overbooks them and they inevitably turn into a charlie-foxtrot. It's as if creative, to paraphrase Jim Cornette, is like a junkie with a finger on a morphine drip just clicking away: They can't seem to help themselves and just overbook the f*ck out of everything.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

My chief point, though, was the last one; if there's no way for Kane to suffer a loss by disqualification, there was no reason for Mercury & Noble to attack Daniel when the referee's back was turned, which they were doing early in the match. Really, they might as well have just stayed in the ring and triple-teamed Bryan the entire match.....there wasn't a reason on Earth not to.

Kayfabe logic?

Because while the referee had no power to disqualify Kane for any reason, Mercury & Noble were not officially a part of the match, and he could easily bar them from ringside for getting involved. If they ignore the referees decision in that case, then they can face disciplinary action.

Then again, we're talking logic in professional wrestling.

 

[Radical]

The general idea behind the face wrestler is that he doesn't need help or he's so brave that he doesn't want to ask for help even if knows he might need it. That's the qualities that the fans are supposed to get from the actions of the face.

The heel is supposed to use all the helps and cheats they can. As for why their security/helpers don't just stay in the ring and keep fighting? I would say it's because even though the heel doesn't have high enough morals to stop the unfair advantage, he does have a cockiness and confidence that he doesn't need help or he doesn't need much help. If you think Kane looked weak having the lil guys J&J Security help out? Think how weak Kane would look if J&J were helping him throughout the whole match.

This is the framework pro wrestling faces and heels usually work within.

Now, why did Ryback, Ziggler and Rowan not come down and help Bryan when they saw he was being unfairly attacked? We weren't told why probably because Creative is exhausted and didn't bother with explaining that detail to us. They have too much new programming to come up with every week so they let a lot of the little things slide.

You'll probably see some other week where a face wrestler brings friends down the ring to even the odds against The Authority and you'll ask why wasn't that done earlier? Simply because Creative didn't think of it.

Think too hard about logic and it kind of ruins your whole pro wrestling viewing experience.

Why doesn't every wrestler always have a manager or wrestler friend come to the ring with him for support? Doesn't it make sense that everyone would want at least one person there to help them if their opponent is doing something fishy?

Why, in No DQ match, doesn't a heel come to the ring with a TASER (if worked on Goldberg!)? If it's truly No DQ then why wouldn't you bring a taser and end the match right away in a pretty brutal fashion?

With the Royal Rumble coming up, why doesn't EVERY wrestler (or at least every heel wrestler with 'no morals') go through the middle rope and just hang outside the ring until they are the last one left? Everyone knows at this point you can't lose if you don't go over the top rope? So why don't you just enter, leave through the bottom rope, and go up to the concession stand, grab some popcorn and watch the match in a luxury box until there is no wrestlers left in the match, then casually walk back down to the ring, roll back in and become the winner?


Those are logical questions to ask but the reason why not is because it would mostly ruin the fun and entertainment in pro wrestling and that's what it's all about!

 

[MC_Live]

You do understand a No DQ match is a no DQ match. Regardless. You can't DQ someone just for outside interference because there are, as the title suggest, no DQ's. Zero. That's a lack of logic if I ever saw one. If you wanted to DQ people for interference, that would be a "Weapons are Legal" or "No DQ for these two" match. You see how that gets murky right? If you DQ someone in a no DQ match because of outside interference, that would be like allowing someone to smoke under a no smoking sign. No means no. That's it.

As far as the heels ganging up thing, sure it does seem kinda stupid. But maybe it's pride that causes these situations. Like last night, maybe Daniel Bryan was too proud to ask for other people's help. And while Kane isn't too proud to prevent J&J from interfering, he still has enough pride that he wants to do most of the damage himself. That could be one way to look at it. That's what I tell myself anyway.