NFL Draft 2010

[Minor League Brian]

You are so wrong Clausen is a Better prospect then Bradford and he was rated higher then a 3rd round QB coming into this year and 5 years down the road Clausen will be a better QB then Bradford. Bradford will be a solid quarterback but not a great one Clausen can be a great QB in the NFL.

How? He played in a weak conference and never won against the 'big' teams. The only reason he's being touted so highly is because he's the most READY to come into the NFL. Its why I hope the Rams take him, and leave Bradford for the Skins. I'd be willing to say Clausen has already hit his ceiling.

Oh, and you forget prior injury Bradford was THE number 1 QB coming into this. The only questions their raising are his injury, an injury I remind you Drew Brees suffered and he turned out pretty well don't you think?

Yes Tebow has heart i will give you that and he has the drive but that doesn't make you a great player in the NFL he has a totally fucked up throwing motion he has horrible accuracy and not that good of an arm and when he played against a former NFl coach with an NFL defense in Nick Saban he had 1 TD and 1 INT and when he played against an NFL defensive cordinator in Monte Kiffin he had 0 TD's and 1 INT so that tells me he can't be a good pro player.

Becuase of one game? You have no idea what a good player is then. Anyone can have a bad game, and vise versa have a great game. Its about long term, and I GUARANTEE you Tebow will be in the film room, working out, while the rest of the people are our partying and enjoying themselves he will be attempting to better himself. I'm not saying he'll be the next Peyton Manning but he can become a good QB by pure work ethic alone, I mean he's changing EVERYTHING about himself in order to do it. Give him time.

 

[Agent_Bond34]

Becuase of one game? You have no idea what a good player is then. Anyone can have a bad game, and vise versa have a great game. Its about long term, and I GUARANTEE you Tebow will be in the film room, working out, while the rest of the people are our partying and enjoying themselves he will be attempting to better himself. I'm not saying he'll be the next Peyton Manning but he can become a good QB by pure work ethic alone, I mean he's changing EVERYTHING about himself in order to do it. Give him time.

The bold, I agree with, but if he becomes so much as a good player in the NFL, (not limited to QB) it will be because of this alone, and his willingness to learn and improve his game.

Tebow has a lot to learn and a lot to improve on, if his work ethic is an example of this, I believe he will go far with this alone, because it takes a strong work ethic to overcome the kinds of obstacles that he has to overcome.

Tebow (before his new motion is even unveiled) has a long, slow wind-up delivery when he passes, this along with a lack of accuracy on his passes, working on his 3-5 step drops, learning to read a defense, etc are all things he has to overcome before he can play QB in the NFL.

I hope Tebow is able to overcome these things and succeed, because he really seems like a good person and you never hear of him getting into trouble with the law, abusing women, assaulting others, being caught with weapons, etc.

 

[Frozentrash75]

How? He played in a weak conference and never won against the 'big' teams. The only reason he's being touted so highly is because he's the most READY to come into the NFL. Its why I hope the Rams take him, and leave Bradford for the Skins. I'd be willing to say Clausen has already hit his ceiling.

Oh, and you forget prior injury Bradford was THE number 1 QB coming into this. The only questions their raising are his injury, an injury I remind you Drew Brees suffered and he turned out pretty well don't you think?



Becuase of one game? You have no idea what a good player is then. Anyone can have a bad game, and vise versa have a great game. Its about long term, and I GUARANTEE you Tebow will be in the film room, working out, while the rest of the people are our partying and enjoying themselves he will be attempting to better himself. I'm not saying he'll be the next Peyton Manning but he can become a good QB by pure work ethic alone, I mean he's changing EVERYTHING about himself in order to do it. Give him time.

No it wasn't one game it was two this year against Tennessee and Alabama when he played former NFL coaches that he sucked out loud and he's done that in the past to against former NFL coaches with NFL defenses. Which shows he doesn't know how to read an NFL defense.

And lets talk about Sam Bradford he wasn't the #1 QB in my opinion he was #3 behind Stafford and Sanchez and the reason Bradford put up great numbers last year because he played in one of those weird college offenses that makes it easier for the QB to put up great numbers. Colt Brennan put up great numbers to but he's a bad NFL quarterback.

Just because a guy like Clausen takes a little longer to develop that doesn't mean he can't be a great NFL QB and he played great all year it was the defense that killed Notre Dame this year and he played hurt for half the season and put up great numbers. Last time i checked Bradford couldn't play this year so he only has one year of production to his record but clausen started for three years and improved every year and if the Redskins take Bradford it's just another example of why they suck every year because they don't know how to judge talent.

 

[jmt225]

Let me tell you guys something, it feels SOOOOO GOOD for one time, not having to worry about what the Saints do in the draft. Of course I'm still high off the Super Bowl victory, but beside that... we have a really good team and I have faith in our coaching staff in filling in the gaps we do have with their late round draft picks. So, so, so awesome not having to worry about it though. So awesome.

Anyway, Brian I have to agree with Trash that Clausen > Bradford. I watched a lot of Notre Dame games this year (it seemed like each week they were playing a nail-biter), and let me tell you something... that Jimmy Clausen can play the quarterback position, and play it well. He's a great leader with one hell of an arm, and had a good amount of games where he made some great decisions while the game was on the line. With time, the right tools around him, and work ethic... this kid is going to be one hell of a NFL quarterback. Can't say the same with Sam Bradford, who I have never been impressed with.

As far as Tebow... I'm rooting for him, but if I were a betting man, I see him having a Jared Lorenzen type of NFL career, unfortunately. The only way I see him being successful in the NFL is in a Wildcat offense, and of course not many teams have that, and shit in a couple of years... it's possible no teams will have it and that it was just a 2 year fad.

 

[Minor League Brian]

No it wasn't one game it was two this year against Tennessee and Alabama when he played former NFL coaches that he sucked out loud and he's done that in the past to against former NFL coaches with NFL defenses. Which shows he doesn't know how to read an NFL defense.

2 Games, when he's had to do nothing but play College game. I never said he'd be an automatic monster, nor anything of the such. He will put int he work to learn all that though, guarantee it.

And lets talk about Sam Bradford he wasn't the #1 QB in my opinion he was #3 behind Stafford and Sanchez and the reason Bradford put up great numbers last year because he played in one of those weird college offenses that makes it easier for the QB to put up great numbers. Colt Brennan put up great numbers to but he's a bad NFL quarterback.

Okay, that's your opinion but he WAS touted higher then both of them. That's a fact, if he'd declared he'd probably be on the Lions right now. And most colleges play the spread, which is what you're talking about, its not as if he's special or something. And how can you say CB is a bad NFL Quarterback...uhh...have you ever seen him play? For all anyone knows, he could be the next Peyton Manning. He hasn't had a shot, and that's just stupid to state matter of factly he's a bad NFL QB when he's not even had a shot yet.

Just because a guy like Clausen takes a little longer to develop that doesn't mean he can't be a great NFL QB

You lost it right there. He's the MOST developed and ready to go, he's the one coming from a pro system. If he takes any longer to develop, he's not worth the pick because that's his selling point.

Last time i checked Bradford couldn't play this year so he only has one year of production to his record but clausen started for three years and improved every year and if the Redskins take Bradford it's just another example of why they suck every year because they don't know how to judge talent.

2007 Oklahoma Sooners 14 176.52 341 237 69.5 3,121 36 8 31 7 0
2008 Oklahoma Sooners 14 180.86 483 328 67.9 4,721 50 8 42 47 5
2009 Oklahoma Sooners 2 133.9 63 37 58.7 485 2 0 3 -5 0

Looks to me like he's been pretty solid, and more then 1 year of production. And we don't know how to judge talent? No no no, we had a terrible GM who doesn't know WHAT to draft and WHEN to draft it. We suck because of neglect of our O-line for a decade. Our Pro Bowl Rookie Orakpo says differently about talent. Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, Laron Landry, Carlos Rodgers, all have something to say about talent. Shitty coaching does not mean no talent.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I believe Tebow is a product of Urban Meyer's offense and that is a bad thing. Teams like Florida and Oregon run quirky offenses and history has shown that quarterbacks from those colleges are not very successful. I hope Tebow won't be like Wuerrfel, Grossman, or Leak but I'm glad he is changing his throwing style and I know he will work hard in the film room so I'm not too worried about him. It makes you think whether more college football coaches will run a pro-style offense to give their quarterbacks a better chance in the NFL.

 

[Stormtrooper]

This talk that Tim Tebow should change positions is pretty hysterical. The man has only played one position his whole life. Tim Tebow was a GREAT college QB, and he has the willpower and determination (as can be seen by the fact hat he is working on making his mechanics more pro-friendly), and skill-set to be successful as a QB eventually. He isn't a first round pick (hell, maybe not even a second), but an NFL team with an aging/questionable QB (Seattle, Minnesota, Washington, Cleveland, etc) would be lucky to draft a guy like him in the third round (or later)he lasts that long.

All that Tebow talk aside, the real issue here is the Jets picking at number 29. Due to the Free Agency restrictions due to the uncapped year that will happen, the Jets will be unable to sign Unrestricted Free Agents this off-season, only replacing guys they lose (which is nobody of note). Therefore the Jets will have to do all their improvements in the Draft or the Trade market. In past 3 seasons, the Jets have traded up to get he player they wanted. In 2007, the Jets traded to #14 to pick Darelle Revis, and they traded into the second round to pick David Harris. In 2008, the Jets traded back into the first round in order to take Dustin Keller at #30. Then in 2009, the Jets traded up to get Mark Sanchez at #5, and Shonn Greene with the first pick of Round 3. Their biggest needs are someone to rush the passer, and maybe another Wide Reveiver (I'm hoping for Golden Tate if they go WR).

Semi-unrelated to the draft, there was a rumor out there of the Jets trading their round 1 pick and something else (I thought I heard David Harris) for Nnamdi Asomugha. Can anybody imagine Darelle Revis and Nnamdi Asomugha on the same team? That would be amazing (for the Jets, not for anyone else)

 

[Baller]

You're wrong, at least for now you are. The only 2 First Rounders (potentially, mind you) are Clausen and Bradford and both have question marks about them. The thing that I think divides them though is that last year, Clausen would have been a 3rd round pick while Bradford would have gone before Stafford and Sanchez and was the consensus number 1. The injury is what has thrown up the red flags.

Anyway, I think Pikes stock is going to sky rocket in this draft because of the combine and just his stature. I see him as the next Joe Flacco, honestly. He's the biggest QB in the draft and I think he's got all the tools necessary to make it in the next level and wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a shot on him.
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No I am not wrong you just misread what I said. I said the top 5 quarterbacks in the draft were the 5 I mentioned, I didn't put them in an order I just listed the top 5. But those 2 are the top 2 for sure and Bradford I see will be a top 10 pick. Clausen will go mid 1st round because he ran the NFL system which will help him dramatically.

 

[Theo Mays]

No I am not wrong you just misread what I said. I said the top 5 quarterbacks in the draft were the 5 I mentioned, I didn't put them in an order I just listed the top 5. But those 2 are the top 2 for sure and Bradford I see will be a top 10 pick. Clausen will go mid 1st round because he ran the NFL system which will help him dramatically.

Jimmy Clausen is going to be more than a mid 1st rounder. The guy should be a top 10 pick, he has the tools to be a NFL QB. And if he is available in the mid 1st the Vikings better make a deal to select him, as he would be a perfect replacement for Favre.

My top 5 QB go as follow:

1. Jimmy Clausen (Top 10)
2. Sam Bradford (Top 15)
3. Colt McCoy (2nd-3rd)
4. Dan Lefevour (2nd-3rd)
5. Tony Pike (Late 2nd-3rd)

A sleeper guy who I'm pretty high on is John Skelton from Fordham. He looks like he has the tools to be a solid QB and could be had later in the draft.

 

[Big Sexy]

Since we're doing top 5 quarterbacks I'll give mine

1. Sam Bradford- If he leaves last year he may have been the number 1 pick. If he checks out health wise then he is the most complete quarterback.

2. Jimmy Clausen- Comes from a pro offense and is very accurate, but Brady Quinn's lack of success has me worried about the system he came from.

3. Dan Lefevour- Tough, smart, accurate quarterback who also has good mobility.

4. Tony Pike- Big guy with an even bigger arm. He has all the tools we'll see what he does with them.

5. Colt McCoy- I don't really think he will succeed in the NFL. He doesn't have great arm strength and he needs to add bulk. He has good intangibles though.

 

[Minor League Brian]

So Bradford has reportedly helped his stock by appearing at the combine much bigger then before, and I've heard its all muscle. It's only going to help his draft status as one of the question marks on him was whether he was big enough to take the hit from NFL pass rushers.

And as his stock rises, the more I'm convinced the Rams will take him instead of Suh, Suh will fall to Detroit, Tampa will pick up McCoy and the Redskins will either select Berry, Clausen, or Okung depending on their strategy.

 

[Big Sexy]

Quarterbacks, Running backs, and Receivers worked out at the combine today. Even though way too much emphasis is placed on these workouts/drills there were still some impressive numbers put up and some surprises.

Receiver Jacoby Ford out of Clemson ran a 4.28 40 time which was the best of the day. Trindon Holiday out of LSU ran a 4.34. There were also a couple running backs who were impressive. Jhavid Best ran a 4.35 and CJ Spiller ran a 4.37. One of the biggest surprises was probably Dexter McCluster, the speedy running back out of Ole Miss, who only ran a 4.58.

With the quarterbacks there wasn't too much that stood out. The biggest thing was probably how small Colt McCoy measured out to be. He is only 6'1. At Texas he was listed at 6'2 or 6'3 depending on where you looked and although it was obvious he wasn't that big, 6'1 is small for a quarterback.

 

[Dusty JackHammer]

Personally I think the Rams will keep there 1st Overall Pick and go with either Bradford or Clausen because they wouldn't be able to justify paying a guy like Suh 15 Million Dollars for a Defensive End when the Highest current player is only getting paid around 12-13 Million Dollars I believe, either way the Rams will almost be force to push a young Quarterback to soon and there Career wont go anywhere.

As for my team, I hope the New England Patriots go for Tim Tebow if hes available, with New England and Florida being my favorite teams in the NFL and NCAA I would love to see this, plus it makes sense, people are saying Tebow isn't ready to be a starter, we don't need a starter for 3-5 years, that gives Tebow ample amount of time to develop into a Big Ben type Quarterback.

 

[The Mizard of Oz]

I really like Dexter McCluster of Ole Miss. I don't really think that he's a good fit with my Jets, as we already have Leon Washington to fit the McCluster role.

Bradford, I think, will be a legitimate NFL QB. I wish the Jets had waited a year to trade up, as I'm still not sold that Sanchez will ever progress to above "average". If I ran the Rams, there is no fucking way I'd pass on him to draft Suh or McCoy. How many fucking defensive linemen can one team take in the first round? Going back to the start of last decade, they've taken Chris Long, Adam Carriker, Ryan Pickett, and Damione Lewis. Enough is enough. Draft a god damn QB for the first time since 1967.

 

[Big Sexy]

There's a couple things that have really shaken the first round of the draft up. The first is the Rams basically saying that if Bradford checks out health wise that he is their guy. That moves Suh down at least one spot and it also affects Tampa Bay's plans because they need a DT more then a safety so Berry will most likely fall to at least number 5 overall.

The second thing is the Seahawks trading for Charlie Whitehurst. For some reason they think Whitehurst is going to be the heir apparent to Matt Hassleback. This really affects Clausen's draft status. The Seahawks were the team expected to take Clausen. Now he could go 4 to the Redskins or 9 to the Bills but if those teams go in different directions then Clausen could drop or we could see a team trade up to take him. The top of the draft should be filled with a lot of surprises.