Murder the Murderers?

[HBK-aholic]

Do you think the Death Penalty should be allowed? Should it be a clear part of the legal system? Do murderers deserve to be killed themselves? Should we stop at murderers? Or do we add rapists and child molesters to the breed?

The Death penalty is something that is widely debated. Some people find it the right thing to do. They feel some never change and it is better for the world to get rid of them now.

Others think it is completely stupid, and defies the object of murder being wrong. How can we kill people as a punishment for killing?

In my opinion, the death penalty should definately be an option. Most murderers and rapists, don't deserve to walk the Earth. They've completely ruined the lives of many, and jail just isn't enough to show them this. If they've murdered someone, just imagine what the family and friends of that person are going through? A pain no one can even imagine.
If they've raped someone, just imagine how that person would be feeling. And not only for a few weeks, but for the rest of their life. Rape often only carries a sentence of 5 years, could be a lot less as well. Yet the 'victim' has to go around with this forever.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[klunderbunker]

I think the death penalty should be an option, but only in extreme cases. Premeditated murder being a huge one. If someone shoots your wife in front of you and then you kill that person, that's definitely not death penalty worthy. Rape, I agree with you on. Same with child molestation. I don't know how it works over in England, but over in America child molesters can get out within a year. It's such a joke. Anyone that harms someone who can't defend themselves deserves either life or death, nothing less. The death penalty should be an option, but not something that happens often. Other than those things, I can't really think of any other instances. I'm more the life with no chance of parole person.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I think the death penalty should be an option, but only in extreme cases. Premeditated murder being a huge one. If someone shoots your wife in front of you and then you kill that person, that's definitely not death penalty worthy.

I agree, the circumstances would have to be taken into account. In a case like that, the guy was generally working in self defence, and also for his wife. He'd go to jail, but that isn't what the death penalty is there for.

Rape, I agree with you on. Same with child molestation. I don't know how it works over in England, but over in America child molesters can get out within a year. It's such a joke. Anyone that harms someone who can't defend themselves deserves either life or death, nothing less.

Sometimes, not even that. Depending on the case, some only get put on a Sex offenders register. What does that mean at the end of the day? How you could hurt a child like that I have no idea. And you would deserve death. If it was one of my children I'd probably kill them myself.

The death penalty should be an option, but not something that happens often. Other than those things, I can't really think of any other instances. I'm more the life with no chance of parole person.

That should also be use A LOT more often. Life, should mean life. Not I'll be out in 10 years. What is that? Nothing really. If you're not going to give hem the death penalty, make sure theyre locked up for LIFE.

 

[klunderbunker]

Parole is so stupid. I'm not sure if this is the case nationally but in Kentucky we have a good behavior policy. For every 2 days of your sentence you don't cause trouble you get a day off your sentence. You spend 2/3 of your time in jail. It's such a joke. The main problem is the prisons are so overcrowded with people for drug possession and petty theft that there isn't enough room for major crimes so people that deserve to stay in are let out way too early.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Yeah that's a problem over here as well. Overcrowding prisons means people are let out early simply for that reason. And it isn't even the small crimes that get let out, it's rapists and murderers. I don't agree with parole either. If the judge says you're serving years, you serve 5 years. Hardly anyone ever serves their full sentences, which just makes the awful sentences handed out in the first place even worse. For every day they're out on the streets when they shouldn't be, it's another day for them to rape or murder someone else.

 

[klunderbunker]

That's true. The registered sex offenders list is a joke also. If nothing else it's too easy to get onto it. You can flash someone and you have to register. The problem is there's no distinction between the levels of offenses. That and I really don't think that if a pedophile is about to go after a kid he's caring that he might have to be put on a list. For him the little time he'll get is worth it. It's such a joke.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

i think i life for a life is the term that is supposed to be used if we bring back the death penalty i see a number of benefits

your a peedo, murderer sereiel killer or rapist it will hinder others

jail cells will be less crowded

and dont stop there anyone else who goes to prison to offend should be put to work, no sky no nothing no human rights you wave them when you commit a crime, you go inside and have to work outside chain gangs cleaning the cities and ponds, cleaning up the mess like grafitti and pick up trash that would save the state alot of money

no sky no freebies they ponce off of the government due to human rights they shouldnt have any in my opinion

thats my two cents on the matter

 

[jmt225]

I'm all for the Death Penalty.

Also, not just for murderers, but for child molesters as well. They destroy a life much worse then actually killing someone. They're the biggest pieces of shit on Earth, and they don't deserve to live. All of us get unnatural urges to do horrible things. There have been a couple of times where I wanted to kill someone, but was able to keep myself from doing so. There have been times where I wanted to grab a chick’s ass right in front of me, but I would stop myself. My point here is that a man cannot control what he feels. If he gets off on children, then he's fucking sick and needs to get some help. But I can't blame someone for their sexual turn-ons. They don't have any control over that. But what they do have control over is their actions. You can ALWAYS fight an urge to keep yourself from doing something like that, and the fact that these pieces of shit molest children even though they know it's wrong and will ultimately destroy an innocent child's life is fucking despicable and way worse then murdering someone.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I say no to the death penalty. If we run around deciding who deserves to die, we are no different from the murders themselves. How is it different?? They made the decision that someone shouldnt live anymore. Then WE go and decide that someone shouldnt live anymore. Its the same thing morally, if you think about it.

And then there is the religous apsect. I dont feel as if anyone but god should decide if someone should die. Put him in prison forever. Trust me, if the lord decides he deserves to die, then he will die.

 

[Total Impact]

I like the death penalty, as I believe in a eye for eye and a tooth for a tooth. Plus if anyone in my family was murdered, the guy who did, wouldn't have to worry about the state putting him to death as I would do it myself. I also like torture. Maybe every so often while the guy is in jail, he lose a part of his body used in the crime he did. For a rapist, off go the penis, and arms. Killer, Arms, legs. just make them wish they were dead.

 

[Danmen001]

I don't believe in the death penalty at all.

Society should be able to look at things and either, do our best to forgive and help the person to get rehab. First preference obviously giving the victims help and support. I believe in a 2nd chance, but if they do something of the sort again, then perhaps a life sentance (depends on the crime obviously.)

Because we can do other things than take the life of someone(especially if this is there first serious offence), we should choose the better things.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The death penalty is pointless. Most of the guys who commite crimes that would deserve it are depressed anyway. I don't even agree with prison for the most part.

My suggestion for people who will never be realeased is solitary confinement. For the rest of their life. Pretty much make them go crazy, and lonley. It's cruel. But you could say the same thing for mureder and rape.They will never get out so if it makes them worse it doesn't matter, because they only have themselves for company. No harm to anybody else. And they get a nice punishment to go with their crime.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm gonna have to agree with Jake on this one. Solitary Confinement would be a much better punishment for a crime the degree of murder or rape.

If you kill them, whats that bring you? Peace? The rape/murder victim back to life? NO. You're still left with the pain of what happened to a loved one. You're still left with a memory of the tragic event.

You think killing the person responsible is gonna bring you any peace of mind? It won't. Thats whats wrong with people today. They believe the answer to violence is more violence. "A taste of their own medicine." Whats that prove though? What are you ultimately doing to the guy responsible?

Instead of giving him a life long sentence without the option for release until death takes it course of natural causes.. you give him a free pass in exiting life early. Which (again, as Jake pointed out) most people who commit these crimes have given up on their own lives and want to leave this world. All you'd be doing is helping them even more, and you'd be naive enough to think its doing yourself a favor.

Solitary Confinement is NOT cruel. Its a workable solution that isn't violence. It might actually make criminals think twice before doing something like rape or murder. It'll make those who do commit those types of crimes to be forced to take their own lives as well, which all in all is what half of them do to begin with.

So in the end, you might be cleaning up HALF of the criminal's by forcing them to realize what lies ahead for them, if they aren't willing to kill themselves. Death isn't something desperate people fear. Its something they crave.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Prison in general is stupid. You kill somebody for example. In return you get a free room and food. That's a whole lot better than some people have on the outside. You can read, work, educate yourself. There isn't much you can't do. If I was a hobo and I had nothing in my life I'd kill somebody. True story. Why? Because it would make my life better.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Prison in general is stupid. You kill somebody for example. In return you get a free room and food. That's a whole lot better than some people have on the outside. You can read, work, educate yourself. There isn't much you can't do. If I was a hobo and I had nothing in my life I'd kill somebody. True story. Why? Because it would make my life better.

Its so horrible because its completely true. If you're homeless, why wouldn't you commit a life-in-prison crime? You get fed a couple times a day, which is more than you get if you have no means to get food. You get a bed to sleep on, which is a lot better than a box, or street corner bench. You get fricken television time for sakes! You can play sports, you get the ability to take showers. (maybe not alone, but its still optional)

The sad thing is, being homeless and killing someone to get placed in Prison for life is like playing a video game. You get so close to the "boss fight" then lose all but one bar of life.. only to discover a cheat code that allows you the option to find an easier way around it.

I agree that Prison serves no purpose, but what makes it even worse is those that DO get released then have to PAY BACK to the government. Those that aren't in for a life sentence must pay back to the state for their stay. Yet rarely anyone will hire you if you're a criminal, you get stuck with the worst of jobs.. so its ultimately two choices.

1. Start over at the absolute bottom, and struggle to remotely find some type of average, or right under average life to live..

OR

2. Commit more crimes and go back to prison where you won't have to worry about eating, or where you'll be sleeping.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I agree that Prison serves no purpose, but what makes it even worse is those that DO get released then have to PAY BACK to the government. Those that aren't in for a life sentence must pay back to the state for their stay. Yet rarely anyone will hire you if you're a criminal, you get stuck with the worst of jobs.. so its ultimately two choices.

1. Start over at the absolute bottom, and struggle to remotely find some type of average, or right under average life to live..

OR

2. Commit more crimes and go back to prison where you won't have to worry about eating, or where you'll be sleeping.

So they should. That doesn't happen here though. That I know of anyway.

The council should give them shit jobs, and the bare minimum to live. There is so much shit on the streets, somebody has to clean it up. Why should it be somebody who abides by the law?

What really psses me off in England is foreign criminals. They commit a crime over here. Instead of being deported and having to spend time in one of their hell hole prisons. They get to spend time in our clean prisons, where the guards have to call you sir. They don't care about prison because it's better than in their country.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Its so horrible because its completely true. If you're homeless, why wouldn't you commit a life-in-prison crime? You get fed a couple times a day, which is more than you get if you have no means to get food. You get a bed to sleep on, which is a lot better than a box, or street corner bench. You get fricken television time for sakes! You can play sports, you get the ability to take showers. (maybe not alone, but its still optional)

This is exactly why I hate the prisons systems. They live more comfortably than most adults. They don't have to worry about work, or paying the bills, or feeding themselves. They get it all handed out on a plate.

I agree that Prison serves no purpose, but what makes it even worse is those that DO get released then have to PAY BACK to the government. Those that aren't in for a life sentence must pay back to the state for their stay. Yet rarely anyone will hire you if you're a criminal, you get stuck with the worst of jobs.. so its ultimately two choices.

I don't think people have to do that over here. Meh the government should just give them the jobs no one else want. So they're earning minimum wage and it's all their fault. Oh look, it's going to affect them for the rest of their lives just like it would their victims. There's a lot to be said for this scheme, seems like a good idea.

 

[Father:_Polley]

as the saying goes...a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye leads to toothless blind people. i know the aspect of relieving crowding in jail, deserving it and all, but as norcal has said, what seperates us from the initial murderer by doing it.

do they deserve to effectively have no life, yes. lock em up and treat them like crap because they have no regard for life, why should they regard their own human rights.

 

[NYSandman]

I think in certain circumstances, the death penalty is appicable.

I know this will start problems, but I don't think we should limit it to murder. Certain kinds of rape, child molestation, and helping to plot murder should be considered also.

There are some people who cannot be rehabilitated. I mean guys who are arrested 100+ times for robbery, assault, drug dealing, etc. I mean, you have some people who are 50 years old, and have been arrested all these times. THEY CANNOT BE REFORMED! THEY DON'T WANT TO BE REFORMED.

I'm not suggesting killing these people, but prisons need to be more unpleasant. I mean, the prisons here should make the ones in Turkey look like the Marriot. Some of these guys get cable TV, steak, and exorcise equipment that WE are paying for. WTF? You get a room with a sheet on the floor, sandwiches for every meal, and you get to have book purchased with your OWN money. Toiletries and clothes. That is ALL. Keep it cheap.

I'm tired of hearing about human rights. A guy caves in an old woman's head and takes her last buck, and we here that this animal is complaining because the TV in the rec room is only 19 inches. Again, I say W T F???

 

[Jonny B]

I’m going to say no on the death penalty, for two very good reasons.

Most people propose that the death penalty should only be used in extreme circumstances and I can see the logic in it. However if you look at the sort of people that are serial killers, serial rapists etc… there are usually deep psychological issues that drive them to commit these crimes. They are not the sort of people to be deterred by something like the death penalty. They are not deterred by the thought of spending the rest of at least a better part of their life behind bars which effectively means your life is over anyway so how exactly is the death penalty going to prevent crimes? People often think that the death penalty is good because it’s and “eye for an eye” type situation, someone has killed someone else so they deserve to die, and in some cases this may well be true, but it that really the definition of justice? I don’t think it is, the person that has committed the crime should have to live the rest of their life with the guilt and shame of what they have done… that in my opinion is the biggest deterrent of all.

The second reason is and I don’t think anyone can refute this… the legal and justice system of every single country in the world is not full proof. There are many occasions in which innocent people are sent to prison but are later freed, what happens if someone who is innocent gets the death penalty? A completely innocent person would have been put to death… I know the cases of people being sent to prison for something they have not done are rare, but for me it’s the sort of risk I don’t think any government, country or justice system should be allowed to take. Once you have put someone to death there is nothing that can be done to reverse this, if someone has spent a few months/years in prison at least they can be set free and given compensation for their troubles. Like I said, it’s just not worth the risk.

 

[Shocky]

I don't mind the Death Penalty. I honestly love the case that just ended in Kentucky with the two inmates holding up the process by saying that the Death Penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. They wish to be granted a quick, painless death. Probably the same quick and painless death they granted the people whose lives they took away.

Seriel Killers should be studied, extensively. People proven to have mental problems shouldn't be killed, I agree with that. However, they shouldn't see daylight. These are the type of people you conduct research on to figure out why they snap, what makes them a killer, that sort of thing.

Heartless drug dealers and gang bangers that kill people simply for street cred, a son of a bitch that decides ending a life over 20 dollars is justifiable, these are teh type of people that serve no purpose in life or to society as a whole. My tax dollars can be well spent on education reform, or helping out a Vet, instead of providing free bed and board for a shit head. I'm all for the death penalty.