Motor City Machine Guns: Is Another Push in Order? (And Other Shellbin Stuff)

[Uncle Sam]

They're not strictly jobbers, no. I don't think I ever used the term jobbers. If I did, I meant it very loosely. However, they are close to it. If it weren't for the fact that they are very over they would unquestionably be the Motor City Machine Jobbers. See what I did there?

On a side note, everybody in TNA gets entrance music and can use their finisher at will, regardless of status.

The problem is how the Guns have been demoted so badly down the card and down the rankings. They've been made to look inferior to every other tag team in TNA. Never winning a match is hardly a way to look superior, is it?

 

[McCobbM]

They're not strictly jobbers, no. I don't think I ever used the term jobbers. If I did, I meant it very loosely. However, they are close to it. If it weren't for the fact that they are very over they would unquestionably be the Motor City Machine Jobbers. See what I did there?

haha... yes i did see what u did there.

On a side note, everybody in TNA gets entrance music and can use their finisher at will, regardless of status.

And on a double side note i think thats great, I remember {when I was just a boy} when Sharkboy was a jobber, before he got his Stone Cold gimmick, and the fact that they bothered to present him, made his fan base grow, and enabled him to move up and create a character.

The problem is how the Guns have been demoted so badly down the card and down the rankings. They've been made to look inferior to every other tag team in TNA. Never winning a match is hardly a way to look superior, is it?

I definitively see what you're saying but I'm going to slightly disagree with you here, and this is more for the veiwing public than a back and forth between you and I, I have rarely seen a match with "The Guns" when they didn't win and thought "O shit they got BITCHED!", they make them competitive, and exciting, and they aren't usually the ones pinned, in the "Cuffed in the cage" they got very little attention, and were cuffed back to back, which was kind of annoying. But their losing streak, is at least partly just a consequence of circumstance. I think they should feud with LAX, but TNA right now has a TON of talent, and they can't afford to give everyone what they deserve, which is sad, because the WWE has NO talent left, and wont take anybody.

 

[Greenlight13]

Just another example of politics. Bottom line is TNA values ratings+money over being a quality wrestling product, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's a business and there's big money in this business as WWE shows. This sucks, but it is true, so they are going to push people THEY believe sell to casual fans, stuff like Super Eric, Shark Boy, CurryMan. Stuff they think makes non-wrestling fans laugh so they will get hooked on wrestling. To them, MCMG arent a major draw and from what we hear they talk back to TNA a lot, with Shelley not wishing to blade and listening to us fans too much. To me like many others, these are forgivable offences, but people have been fired for less so if i were them i'd keep my head down for a while and just ride it out until i got pushed again.

I dont think TNA quite know what to do with their tag team division, AJ and Tomko have just been using the belts as enhancement for their main event status and so the Angle Alliance could hold everything, they havent had any feuds for the belts, only quick challenges. I would hope the team splits and goes their seperate ways and the belts revert back to a real team.


*spoilers*

However this tag team tournament they start on this weeks Impact is just horrible, MCMG are one of only four real teams in TNA and you have them lose in the FIRST round?!? Cage and Rhino are good and im told the match is great, but surely they deserve to advance a little further? I mean are Cage and Rhino going to win the belts? Probably not, so why have them beat them?

*end of spoilers*

I also see great potential in a Shelley/Sabin feud but i see Shelley in the role of the heel and Sabin as the face. I see Sabin winning the X-Division Title, Shelley being initially happy for him but starting to show signs of jealousy, a friendly challenge, but then Shelley makes it personal, turns on him etc.

Finally, if im Sabin, im pissed off with Shelley a little bit, he was X-Division champion 4 times, one of them for many months, he was the hottest young talent beyond the big three (AJ, Daniels, Joe) and was getting some good feuds and now he is trapped in jobber-land because Shelley is causing trouble for them.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Just another example of politics. Bottom line is TNA values ratings+money over being a quality wrestling product, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's a business and there's big money in this business as WWE shows. This sucks, but it is true, so they are going to push people THEY believe sell to casual fans, stuff like Super Eric, Shark Boy, CurryMan. Stuff they think makes non-wrestling fans laugh so they will get hooked on wrestling. To them, MCMG arent a major draw and from what we hear they talk back to TNA a lot, with Shelley not wishing to blade and listening to us fans too much. To me like many others, these are forgivable offences, but people have been fired for less so if i were them i'd keep my head down for a while and just ride it out until i got pushed again.

The thing is though, TNA do recognise them as a draw - they are. Would a team who aren't a draw have the biggest selling T-Shirt? Would a team who aren't a draw be featured on the Destination X poster, something which is usually reserved for the likes of Kurt Angle or AJ Styles, or just a big shot of everyone?

I dont think TNA quite know what to do with their tag team division, AJ and Tomko have just been using the belts as enhancement for their main event status and so the Angle Alliance could hold everything, they havent had any feuds for the belts, only quick challenges. I would hope the team splits and goes their seperate ways and the belts revert back to a real team.

I don't think there's any need for them to go their separate ways, but a team not made up of two individuals - if you get what a mean - would be nice. I see LAX getting it in the coming months, but where the Guns will fit in after this change still remains a mystery.

*spoilers*

However this tag team tournament they start on this weeks Impact is just horrible, MCMG are one of only four real teams in TNA and you have them lose in the FIRST round?!? Cage and Rhino are good and im told the match is great, but surely they deserve to advance a little further? I mean are Cage and Rhino going to win the belts? Probably not, so why have them beat them?

*end of spoilers*

Judging by that, their chances won't be good for a tag title reign for a fair few months yet. Good match or no, a team of two individuals thrown together at the last minute going over TNA's most popular team cleanly (I presume)? That's pointless, in my opinion. I suppose it's good it wasn't Black Reign and Rellik, but still.

I also see great potential in a Shelley/Sabin feud but i see Shelley in the role of the heel and Sabin as the face. I see Sabin winning the X-Division Title, Shelley being initially happy for him but starting to show signs of jealousy, a friendly challenge, but then Shelley makes it personal, turns on him etc.

I always saw it the other way around. Shelley's had too much heel experience, and Sabin's had too much time with the belt. Mix it up a bit, TNA!

Finally, if im Sabin, im pissed off with Shelley a little bit, he was X-Division champion 4 times, one of them for many months, he was the hottest young talent beyond the big three (AJ, Daniels, Joe) and was getting some good feuds and now he is trapped in jobber-land because Shelley is causing trouble for them.

I heard it was the other way around, actually.

 

[strafro]

From what I hear, a lot of indy guys are upset with Shelley and Sabin and cool them "Create a Wrestlers" because what do people do when they make themselves on a video game, the go through the moveset and pick all the "cool" moves. Shelley and Sabin work indy shows and watch matches to steal moves from indy wrestlers, I know that has nothing to do with their push or TNA, just thought I'd throw it out there.

But they do deserve a push, they are a great tag team, I saw them Friday in Detroit for RoH against the Age of the Fall, they are awesome and really garner fan support, however I haven't watched TNA in a long while and probably won't too soon either, until they stop having gimmick matches too frequently.

 

[RKO Orton]

Ugh, where to begin. TNA has them lose to RHYNO & CHRISTIAN! Those two aren't developed as a tag-team, yet you still have them go over the Guns? This was their chance to get back as the top tag-team in TNA, yet TNA decides to job them to guys that should be main eventing the show. What a waste of two talented wrestlers. Split them up already.

 

[Fan of wrestling]

Well a David Arquette return is tempting but i'll have to vote yes. MCMG jobbing is reported to be caused by them not wanting to blade, But how long can you punish them for?. Who's winning not the fans and certainly not TNA. This team have a chance to draw. It's almost like the Hollywood Blondes year's ago, As the fans fucking loved them but when they got to big management broke them up.

 

[HellBoundPower]

I honestly find it kind of insulting that these two aren't the premier Tag Team in TNA right now. Two very talented individuals in Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin, and they're really being put on the back burner for random thrown together Tag Teams like Christian & Rhino. We've all heard the rumors of management punishing them for not blading (which seems ridiculous to me), but they have to realize that these guys are one of the hottest attractions that TNA has, and not using them is a big mistake. At least a real Tag Team in L.A.X. has the Gold now. I can see the Motor City Machine Guns feuding with them for the Titles sometime in the near future, and I hope they put on a feud that makes the Tag Titles hot again.

 

[Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!]

I honestly find it kind of insulting that these two aren't the premier Tag Team in TNA right now. Two very talented individuals in Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin, and they're really being put on the back burner for random thrown together Tag Teams like Christian & Rhino. .

I feel the same, but its exactly what WWE are doing with Londrick, a young team who proved they can get over, are exciting to watch and never have bad matches job all day long when (insert singles wrestlers here) pass the titles around like they're playing pass the Parcel. I'm hoping for an LAX vs MMG Ultimate X match at Slamiverssary!

 

[Uncle Sam]

Ah, it's time for a good old fashioned wrestling post. So:

You know what I'd love? Obviously not. What I'd love is for a Motor City heel turn. I just finished watching their match with the Briscoes at ROH Good Times Great Memories, which I recommend for any other Shellbin fans, and I realised that - despite heels and faces being unreasonably blurred in ROH, their heel elements were certainly fantastic. Well, I always knew Shelley was a great heel, but was never sure about Sabin. I now know that, as a team, they are fantastic heels. Obviously they'd be those cool, Christian-esque heels who could still get a crowd to pop and shift merchandise. They wouldn't be able to do anything else because of their poor, neglected psychology.

 

[Father:_Polley]

They do have that whole 'we can be cocky arrogant heel' thing going for them, and Shelley's proven in the past he can do the heel role well when he was with Nash and stirring things up. However, as you said, I've never really seen much heel in Chris Sabin.

However, my only worry would be that, since MCMG are pretty much the most over team on the roster, and the majority of other tag teams on the roster are heels (Rock N'Rave, Reign/Rellik, 3D, LAX) it poses the question of who would turn face to compensate for this, and would the fans actually boo them as heels. As X-Div guys, they have the distinct disadvantage that a lot of their offence is more based towards being face.

It would be a challenge for them to resist the spots, but i think they could do it. However, in my views TNA's tag division needs to shift the heel/face balance before it happens

 

[Uncle Sam]

They do have that whole 'we can be cocky arrogant heel' thing going for them, and Shelley's proven in the past he can do the heel role well when he was with Nash and stirring things up. However, as you said, I've never really seen much heel in Chris Sabin.

He balances quite well with Shelley in the mix, however. Watch the Briscoes match if you can. They're fantastic heels in it. Shame The Briscoes had me confused as to what they were.

However, my only worry would be that, since MCMG are pretty much the most over team on the roster, and the majority of other tag teams on the roster are heels (Rock N'Rave, Reign/Rellik, 3D, LAX) it poses the question of who would turn face to compensate for this, and would the fans actually boo them as heels. As X-Div guys, they have the distinct disadvantage that a lot of their offence is more based towards being face.

So do most X-Division guys, but they still get over as heels. Joe was a very effective and intimidating heel back in the day. Cage has his fanbase. Angle's often criticised for his move set... by Sly. The Guns can keep their move set and change to heels. Hell, they started off in TNA as heels. As a team that is. They've both been heels separately, and their move sets
have stayed largely intact. Oh, and did LAX turns heel at Sacrifice or what? Otherwise they're faces.

It would be a challenge for them to resist the spots, but i think they could do it. However, in my views TNA's tag division needs to shift the heel/face balance before it happens

True. I'm very confused as of right now. Eric/AJ - Heels, faces, tweeners, what?

 

[Father:_Polley]

He balances quite well with Shelley in the mix, however. Watch the Briscoes match if you can. They're fantastic heels in it. Shame The Briscoes had me confused as to what they were.

So do most X-Division guys, but they still get over as heels. Joe was a very effective and intimidating heel back in the day. Cage has his fanbase. Angle's often criticised for his move set... by Sly. The Guns can keep their move set and change to heels. Hell, they started off in TNA as heels. As a team, that is They've both been heels separately, and their move sets have stayed largely intact. Oh, and did LAX turns heel at Sacrifice or what? Otherwise they're faces.

True. I'm very confused as of right now. Eric/AJ - Heels, faces, tweeners, what?

I've had other things on mind to keep up with LAX I'll confess. Things change quickly in TNA! I'll look out that match next week some time...i've 2 lever arch files that have my attention until then.
I suppose it's how you USE the moveset you have can alter your status. Example off top of head is billy kidman, who used his shooting star as a heel to injure people (before it was banned because he actually did injure someone), yet he still used it...or didn't for a while mid-turn.

I don't know what they were doing with that tournament. AJ cheapened by a schizophrenic idiot and face/heel teams which didn't work well. I at least wanted a VKM pairing since Sting/Storm got paired together. Hopefully LAX MCMG can stablise the division for a while

 

[FromTheSouth]

They should have been in Dueces Wild. I don't know if that constitutes a push. Their being left out of a premier tag event in uncalled for. They are exciting and superover. I don't know if they deserve titles, but if this is punishment for not blading, it's been long enough.

I heard a while ago that Shelley was acting big shit backstage. Even Sabin was tiring of it, so you have to wonder how long they even have together. I am a fan, but I don't know how far they should be pushed. They seem like Jeff Hardy, the chase would far outweigh the reign. Maybe programming them with 3D for some time, in a number one contender's feud, and then LAX, possibly taking the belts on TV, and then losing again on PPV.

 

[RVDgurl]

Ah, it's time for a good old fashioned wrestling post. So:

You know what I'd love? Obviously not. What I'd love is for a Motor City heel turn. I just finished watching their match with the Briscoes at ROH Good Times Great Memories, which I recommend for any other Shellbin fans, and I realised that - despite heels and faces being unreasonably blurred in ROH, their heel elements were certainly fantastic. Well, I always knew Shelley was a great heel, but was never sure about Sabin. I now know that, as a team, they are fantastic heels. Obviously they'd be those cool, Christian-esque heels who could still get a crowd to pop and shift merchandise. They wouldn't be able to do anything else because of their poor, neglected psychology.

I think a heel turn for the MCMG would be an excellent idea. Especially with the newly crowned TNA tag champs being face. This could really make for a huge build up to a MCMG/LAX fued. Personally, I prefer both Shelley and Sabin as heels, anyway. They have a great cockeyness and swagger about them. They would be the type of heels that the fans have a love/hate relationship with.

 

[Garrett]

Ugh, where to begin. TNA has them lose to RHYNO & CHRISTIAN! Those two aren't developed as a tag-team, yet you still have them go over the Guns? This was their chance to get back as the top tag-team in TNA, yet TNA decides to job them to guys that should be main eventing the show. What a waste of two talented wrestlers. Split them up already.

Um, Rhino and Christian are two former World Champions, it makes sense for them to go over the Guns whether they are established or not. The Guns deserve to be buried for being stupid enough not to blade in a major gimmick match, perhaps the biggest of their career. Guns against LAX would be my bet for Slammiversary in some form of gimmick match.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Um, Rhino and Christian are two former World Champions, it makes sense for them to go over the Guns whether they are established or not.

The booking for that was terrible. The entire point of established tag teams is that they're superior to two random individuals going together. Rhino and Christian could therefore easily lose that match without losing face, they'll be back kicking ass in the heavyweight division anyway. The Guns have no such luxury.

The Guns deserve to be buried for being stupid enough not to blade in a major gimmick match, perhaps the biggest of their career.

I'd say that it was actually a very sensible decision. They were smart enough not to possibly endanger their health and to have principles in a questionable age of wrestling ethics, without their judgment being clouded by how big the match was.

Guns against LAX would be my bet for Slammiversary in some form of gimmick match.

I should hope so. LAX will doubtlessly go over, but I'm fine with that... if a Gun's heel turn and an eventual title reign is in order.

 

[Uncle Sam]

May have gone in teh Ask A Question thread, but this thread needs some attention. I haven't seen the Guns on iMPACT! lately. Granted, I usually miss the first fifteen minutes but still. As far as I'm aware, LAX only appeared once too. In a match with Homicide vs. Brother Ray I believe.

Is TNA intent on burying their entire tag division? I'm fairly certain that everybody wants to see this feud. They'd know they did if it was teased. It hasn't even been suggested as far as I'm aware though. The closest TNA got was ruining yet another "first one on one match" with LAX beating the Guns. Shelley and Sabin losing? Never! Seriously though, I want this damn feud. And I want the Guns as at least tweeners.

EDIT: I know LAX are feuding with 3D. Talk about repetition!

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I think that TNA is currently holding The Guns off of tv because they are getting them ready to showcase on Team TNA during the upcoming World X Cup. It has already been speculated, and will more than likely be a certainty, that Sabin and Shelly will be the headliners for Team TNA and will more than likely carry the team as Sabin will probably be the captain of the team.

TNA is doing the right thing by scaling back showing the whole tag division for now as it would be too much to take in when the World X Cup comes back. People already ridicule TNA for trying to fit too much into 2 hours, so why should they jam more into that. Something has to take the backseat and it might as well be a the secondary tag teams in the division and smaller feuds. If The Guns do well and get a good reaction from the X Cup, then I don't doubt that you will see a pretty big push for them when the Cup ends.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Your sense of logic irrtitates me. If I could remember what I saw on iMPACT, I'd say that they should scale back on the X Division in that case too. I have a feeling they already have though, save for all these Jay/Val wedding shennanigans.

As for the Guns, yeah, I'm actually beginning to look forward to the World X Cup again now. The crowd is hot for them and there's no way they're going to underperform, particularly with all these forum wrestlers around them. They're used to working in similar environments and this is the perfect oppurtunity to showcase their talents, which, of course, is what will be happening. With the whole blading business behind us, I'd say that the Guns are only a few months away from headlining.





The tag division.

 

[FOTH 3:16]

The Motor City Machine Guns are probally the best friggin tag team in wrestling today,along with the Briscoes.They should have those tag team championships.And if you need any proof that the are a good team watch their match they had on Impact! with Muscle and Speed.That was match of the Week and it won't be beat.The Guns are an awesome tag team.If you are a true wrestling fan then you are a MCMG fan.And these guys sell shirts and put asses in seats.These guys are awesome wrestlers and they are proof that real wrestlers can sell and go over without a gimmick.These young men know how to put on a match.They entertain me and they put on one hell of a match.They put on a damn good match.You can't tell me something bad about these guys.Another push IS in order and it cannot be soon enough.You have gotta love these guys and if you don't than you need to start watching Bridezillas and Desperate Housewives because they are an amazing team and they are both amazing single wrestlers and they are probally the best thing in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling today they kick ass and they do it in a way that entertains me.

 

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[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Your sense of logic irrtitates me. If I could remember what I saw on iMPACT, I'd say that they should scale back on the X Division in that case too. I have a feeling they already have though, save for all these Jay/Val wedding shennanigans.

As for the Guns, yeah, I'm actually beginning to look forward to the World X Cup again now. The crowd is hot for them and there's no way they're going to underperform, particularly with all these forum wrestlers around them. They're used to working in similar environments and this is the perfect oppurtunity to showcase their talents, which, of course, is what will be happening. With the whole blading business behind us, I'd say that the Guns are only a few months away from headlining.

Glad to see I reciprocate the feelings you bestow upon me my friend. But I must admit I agree with you. The Guns are in for a big push and will be the key to TNA revamping their tag team division. The tag division will then be filled with highflyers and quick wrestlers who can zone in and out of the X-Division for singles matches. This way, they can utilize a more fluid style while becoming less dependent on over the hill stars who should just be serving as "talent enhancement" and nothing else. I see big things on the way. Big things.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Spawn, silence. For the end of the world has surely come. One of the signs was on TNA iMPACT! when the Guns actually won a match. Who was it they beat? I'm not going to pretend I know a great deal about Japanese wrestlers but it was Naruki Doi and Masato Yoshini, wasn't it? That match was freakin' off the hook, in my honest opinion. Not watching anything outside the states often, that stuff is fairly alien to me. The Guns also got the crowd pretty heated up. Then again, this is the same crowd that went mental for Kaz.

With a win under their belts against another just as, if not more, capable team in a show-stealer, the future looks bright. My prediction is that Team TNA will in fact win the tournament, despite Kaz's best efforts to fuck it up for them, and the Guns will come off hot and go pretty much straight into a feud for the tag titles. Hopefully, there won't be any more detours along the way, as we all know they're actually pretty massive for two guys in TNA, topping the marchandise charts, getting huge cheers and all that.

 

[Instant Classic]

The guns are stupid all they basically do is acrobatics in the ring. If you wanted to see that you would goto the circus. I actualy like Sabin, I thought he was good as X-divison champ, but this tag team is getting neither guy anywhere so I don't know why they are still together. I reckon Sabin/Petey could be a great potential feud but its not going to happen while they are still tag team wrestlers. I dont see what they bring to the tag team divsion that LAX doesn't so its pointless for them to get another push when LAX is cleary supiorior in every way. TNA seems to be going ahead with this Storm/Roode tag team anyway so the guns arent going to be pushed in the forseeable future anyway, and rightly so.