So it's fine that they're just jobbers and that as long as they lose every match, which they are doing, they won't get higher on the card, get belts, better opportunities in the future and have longer matches as well as adding to their resume? Okey dokey. Besides, if the last three seconds don't matter to you, why do you want them to lose?
I dont recall saying I wanted them to loose at all. What I was saying is that, in the short term (which is all their jobbing status is going to be) it doesnt matter in two shakes whether they win or loose at all. It wont stop people wanting to watch them, nor will it affect there ability to move merchandise, nor will it effect there standing with the fans.
Sabin needs work, but Shelley is so underrated when it comes to the mic. The wrestling fans of the "internet generation" as I call them also seem to relate to him. I know I do. The guy's hilarious and his promos flow so much better than most other guys out there. Heck, to both of them, really. Besides, everyone in TNA performs on and off, and champions are often seen wrestling regularly. The Guns get those belts around their waists, their value instantly increases. And significantly too. And what are you talking about they can't generate interesting title feuds? Of course they can, they've just never been given the chance. Those belts are a legitimate chance, and they'll capitalize on it.
Right now you ask TNA viewers who the most talented tag team in TNA is the chances are that most of the will name the Guns. Give the Guns the belts, and this will stay exactly the same. Therefore, the Guns dont gain that much from a title run. Dont get me wrong, it will be good for them, and help elevate them up the ladder, but the top of the ladders pretty full right now, and the titles would be better served put on a team who either need the rub (which the guns don't), or will substantially and immediately draw as champions (which the guns wont).
You seem to have not noticed they've been losing to everyone and their dog for the past few months, with no sign of a change on the horizon. Is that Tommy Dreamer enough for you? Because people are over with smarks, they don't need pushing? What the fuck then, put Kurt Angle and The Undertaker at the bottom of the card and let everyone go over them. it's good business, right? Fuck it, why they gave Joe the title is beyond me. Why do they even have a women's division, most the girls in there are over with the smark crowd.
Well whilst drowning amongst a sea of petulance, Ill point out that since refusing to blade (and Im going to go on the record here and say that punishing them for that is stupid, but add that we dont have a clue regarding the circumstances and leave it at that) the MCMG have lost something like three matches, which hardly constitutes everyone and their dog. That's excluding 20 man gauntlets where it really doesnt matter if you dont win. Furthermore, you really seem to be failing to make a distinction between jobbing someone out by having them loose a match, and jobbing someone by feeding them to Mark Henry in a two minute squash.
The guns have only been squashed in ONE match since whichever PPV it was they got into trouble at; and I hardly call that character burial.
As for the rest of your post, I really think you should distinguish between not pushing and burying. The guns are not being pushed to the bottom of the roster as you seem to be trying to suggest. Like I said, a number of losses I can count on one hand is not character destruction, and for the record, the top stars in other divisions do suffer the same thing frequently enough. Since loosening the strap, Gail Kim has suffered noticeably more losses than wins, but that isnt eliciting rage. Booker T has jobbed more often than not since his arrival, and it hasnt hurt his legitimacy. Once hes settled in to not having the belt, I rather expect Angle to move down the roster for a time to keep the title picture fresh, and I dont expect people will get up in arms about that (actually from what Ive seen some people probably will; but you cant win em all).
We hate them because they're shit heels, pretty much just a Christy Hemme vehicle.
s another issue; personally I dont see why, in a company with a man pretending to be a shark pretending to be stone cold, and a man with curry on his head, and a superhero, and whatever the hell Dustin Rhodes is supposed to be; that, fairly solid gimmick which seems to draw reasonable heat from the crowd and is backed up by solid in ring skills, draws so much hate. But anyway, that's best saved for another day.
Good for you? You misspelled both names anyway.
Bah.
No, it generates genuine dislike and desire to not actually watch the show any more. Heels are meant to use proper heel tactics to win, especially over immensely popular faces. There's a reason Randy Orton doesn't fuck up John Cena every time they meet.
Personally I think the last thing TNA needs is less clean finishes. The Guns having a minor loosing streak (which incidentally they havent had, they won an eight man tag a few Impacts ago) wont do much to push me away from the show; but a further increase in DQs, count out finishes, chair shots and people throwing powder around (will they ever learn that that doesnt work) will.
Yeah, they're the ones who are taking the Guns' push. Before their push went to nothing due to a refusal to blade, I firmly believe the Guns were on the path to the tag titles.
Possibly. It looked like they were going to get a shot at least. Who knows.
When have LAX, Team 3D, AMW, Styles/Daniels or anyone like them jobbed? Never, that's when, especially not continuously for months.
Well Im going to discount to claim of never as totally ridicules. Anyway; Im not trawling through the archives to look up numbers, but prior to taking the Guns push, LAX where one something of a jobbing spree which a lot of people were complaining. Rock&Rave have done almost nothing but job since they were formed. I wasnt around for AMW or Styles&Danials; but Im going to assume that they also has spells where they lost more than they won; otherwise youd have a fucking boring tag division.
It's not. They got pushed, they showed integrity, they got de-pushed. They might get a mini-push again. Like, out of complete and utter jobber status, a proper push is far from a certain thing.
We dont know what they did. Perhaps its a typical example of the top brass responding badly to independent thought from the undercard, perhaps the Guns, or more specifically Sabin, repeatedly act like prats. Hell; possibly there push got ended because the small pixie of Jarretts shoulder doesnt like them. We dont, nor will we ever, know. All we have are fragmented internet reports which need to be taken with a small salt cellar.
Common sense suggests that there push probably didnt end because of a single factor; it was probably a combination of things which we know nothing about, that's what happens in the business. Its happened to every top name, its happened to every jobber. Those with the capability to earn the company money invariably overcome it swiftly enough.
I think its probably safest to take that as a compliment.
Those past few paragraphs seem to contradict that.
Which is rather the whole point of putting a clarification at the end of my post
Nor is it necessary for many people to be pushed now. The Guns would be tag champions now if it weren't for refusing to blade. Their spots been taken and handed to LAX, by the looks of things.
Yes, it has. For the record, before the Guns rise to popularity, LAX where the top property in TNA. Then the MCMG started garnering support, LAX got moved down and the Guns went up. Now the Guns are moving down again to make space for the Latino Nation. In six months time the positions will have reversed again. Not everyone can be at the top at the same time, hence, people move up and down. That's how the division
hell, the industry works.
Yeah, Rock 'N' Rave "what the fuck is this?" heat.
Meh; I actually disagree here, but its totally irrelevant and unimportant, so Ill leave it.
