Who said anything about "fault?"
You did. In every one of your fucking posts. In this same post infact, you again bring up whether the WWE should be held accountable for what happened to Umaga and Lance Cade
after they left the WWE because of drug use that you're assuming they developed while with the WWE.
This whole discussion developed from me questioning if just cutting ties with someone is always the best policy if you care about the individuals well-being.
And then it spiraled into the usual blah-blah-blah anti-WWE pro-TNA bullshit you spew at every opportunity available. You started making bullshit claims about how Angle's whole life has turned around in TNA, trying to imply that TNA had something to do with this completely fictional rehabilitation, and when I called you on it by providing hard concrete evidence that Angle has in fact gotten much, much worse during his time in TNA, your response was more "well, uhhhh, Angle reportedly used steroids in 2004 and 2005 when he was with the WWE". That's cool, it also does nothing to negate anything I've said about his arrest record while in TNA, which AGAIN for those keeping score at home, is two more arrests than he ever had in the WWE.
You're a joke man. I flat out call you on your bullshit and provide actual evidence to support my claims, and you respond by taking one or two sentences out of my entire post out of context to make it seem like I think Angle's personal life is in bad shape because he made a bad movie, when I never even implied such a thing. You are a fucking
terrible debater, you know that?
It evolved into people saying the WWE policy is so great and TNA is so terrible. I then questioned how good the WWE policy really is even once they supposedly started being so health conscious.
Sorry, what are you basing these claims and ideas on? Oh, right, absolutely fucking nothing other than your imagination and sheer conjecture.
It might sound decent but how much of that is public relations opposed to reality?
Here's a better question: why does it even matter? Whether their intentions are altruistic or not, they do pay for all of their talent's surgeries and health procedures for injuries sustained in their ring, and they offer to pay entirely for rehabilitation (top notch rehab too) for ANY current or former employees, no matter how short or long ago they were employed. These are actual policies the WWE has to show us they are trying to change their ways and start to protect their employees more, things that are physical tangible evidence I can point at to support my claims. What are you basing your conjecture on again? Oh, right, absolutely nothing because TNA doesn't even have a public policy on drugs. So again, here I am, citing actual concrete policies and evidence that backs up my point, and here you are, again, basing your bullshit off of absolutely nothing other than your imagination.
The results continue to be quite mixed in WWE.
How so? Feel free to point out major incidents or arrests or individual cases of this that were directly the fault of the WWE. Any, infact.
There are still many things highly questionable about that environment that people refuse to acknowledge.
What things? Please, oh beacon of intellect with personal knowledge of how the WWE policy
really works, tell us what these shady things are in the WWE environment and how they could do more to change them? Otherwise, again, this is just more phantom conjecture.
Maybe this is why the results continue to not match the glowing accolades the sheep bah about.
Yes, I get it, we're sheep for believing things like employees being let go when refusing treatment meaning the WWE's drug policy is actually enforced. Meanwhile you and your brave bunch of truth warriors who know the "real deal" base your opinions on conjecture. And we're the sheep, right, not you who just stands up to defend TNA for anything and everything no matter what the fuck it is, before even really understanding the situation and who is right or wrong in it. Nope, it's TNA, so there's no POSSIBLE WAY they could be doing something wrong or not up to the standards of the WWE. And
we're the sheep? Are you mad?
Yes, WWE fired those two for drugs and were likely right to. However, what about how they developed a drug issue in the first place?
By
wrestling? What the fuck more would you like the WWE to do SD? Would you like them to put 5 inches of mattress padding on every inch of their wrestlers bodies and have them wrestle in a moon bounce with pillows as weapons? It's a physical line of work and no matter what you do, people are going to get injured wrestling, and like any other injuries in any other line of work, it's going to lead to painkiller use and abuse. Unless you literally want the WWE to find the cure for drug addiction, what the fuck else more do you want from them?
As far as Jeff Hardy goes he got arrested about a month after he left and it was no big secret that WWE was basically begging him to stay when he left.
Yes. They were begging him to stay
to get help. He would have none of this rehab idea though, and that is why he left. Are you
seriously trying to paint the WWE as the bad guy here? When Hardy was arrested with a MASSIVE amount of illegally obtained painkillers and other drugs only a week or two after leaving the WWE? Did the WWE force Jeff Hardy into a life of drug trafficking as well while they were inventing drug addiction in your world?
Should I believe none of these people were involved in suspect drug use while working for WWE? Because people seem to claim that is what this policy does.
What people claim what about the policy? It's clearly a LEGIT policy if you paid even the slightest attention to anything WWE related since Eddie Guerrero's death, people are constantly being suspended, fined, and released for drug test failures that are announced publicly while TNA doesn't even have a public policy on the issue, and they sure as shit don't ever announce if someone has failed the test or if someone is being punished for a failure.
It seems you want the WWE to be able to flat-out 100% stop the phenomenon of drug abuse. This is such an outlandish request that I don't think I even need to point out how absolutely silly you look basically calling for it. The WWE can't be everywhere at all times, if one of their employees wants to abuse drugs, he or she is going to do just that with or without the WWE looking over their shoulder. I'm sorry they can't fucking freeze time and prevent anyone from ever getting addicted to drugs, truly, I am. I see now that obviously the WWE needs to live up to the lofty Shattered Dreams standards of a wellness policy, standards that are actually impossible to achieve. Gotcha.
I like how I have to have a notarized affidavit from Angle himself but you can just bring up whatever internet hearsay you vaguely remember reading about at some point.
Fine, take away that entire statement than, wash it from this conversation and debate. I still have physical evidence on my side of A) Angle getting into more trouble with drugs while in TNA than WWE, and B) the WWE actually having a PUBLIC policy on drugs, while TNA has absolutely nothing of the kind. That's not "internet hearsay", that's actual factual evidence on my side that you keep avoiding because you know god damn well that you're just stirring the WWE vs. TNA shit pot and not actually making any kind of logical or reasonable point.
What exactly is out of context about explaining the bullshit and/or outright lies from your responses?
Right now show me what I have said that is an "outright lie" and/or "bullshit". Please, do tell. Was Angle
not arrested twice in TNA, while having never been arrested in WWE? Does the WWE
not have a public drug policy?
Because now you're the one talking bullshit, accusing me of making things up when I repeatedly have explained to you what I'm basing my opinion on, while you continue to fail to explain what you're basing yours on, other than yet again, phantom conjecture.
You have zero evidence that Angle was arrested with drugs he was illegally using and you keep trying to pretend that is true.
Point me to where in my posts I ever said that Angle was arrested for illegal possession of drugs? Oh right, I never did. What I
actually said was that Angle was arrested WITH drugs on him, HGH specifically. I acknowledged he had a prescription for them, but I'm not being willfully naive like you are in pretending that people with prescriptions to drugs don't abuse them. What am I basing my beliefs of drug abuse on? Oh I don't know, how about a fucking DUI?
Just like you tried to blame TNA for Angle being investigated for steroid use while he was employed by WWE.
Hey look, it's SD again skewing things and taking them out of context, his signature maneuver! I DID NOT try to blame TNA for Angle being investigated for steroid use, what I did actually do was mention the SI investigation into his steroid use which came out while he was with TNA as being another piece of tangible evidence that Angle has gotten into more legal trouble with drugs while in TNA than with the WWE. Yes, the investigation included a period of time when Angle was with the WWE and using steroids, however that investigation did not come out until he was in TNA. Which again, was my ONLY point, and not that it was TNA's fault, which I didn't even imply.
I think it is pretty clear you are the one trying to skew things.
Clear to you in your imagination world where the WWE is supposed to cure drug addiction, TNA's lack of a public drug policy means they're a haven for rehabilitation, and Kurt Angle getting arrested means he's cleaning up his life. I have no idea how you live in that wacky,
fantasy world.
The rest of us will be over here, laughing at your pathetic attempts to take everything I say out of context while being completely and utterly embarrassed in this debate. If you'd like to enter reality at any time, just let us know.
