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[shattered dreams]

WWE didn't force those men and women to come into their companies and get hooked on painkillers and other drugs. They simply made them and offer to work for them and those wrestlers accepted. They are there because they WANT to be there. Therefore, WWE shouldn't need to have any responsibility when they aren't forcing them to swallow those pills.

TNA is too inept to help their workers with their addiction problems and too inept to have a proper policy against illegal drugs and substances.

How does the bold part not contradict what you said about TNA here? Also, you should really read the whole thread. Finally, if WWE really wants to impress me they would stop treating these guys like independent contractors and start addressing the healthcare issue. I just find it amusing listening to people talk about how much WWE cares about the wrestlers well-being when a company as big as they are doesn't even have a healthcare plan for the wrestlers.

 

[justinsayne]

Pop Quiz: WWE offers rehab out of
A) the goodness and caring of their hearts
B)fear of PR nightmare
C)guilt over the environment that cultivated the issue

I am not knocking WWE. I am knocking people that pretend their policy is flawless.

A.)You are knocking WWE

B.)No one is saying their policy is flawless, just better than TNA's

 

[ABMorales787]

What the hell does "PR" stand for? I sure as hell know it ain't Puerto Rico.

 

[a0161613]

PR is public relations, KJ....

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

Public Realations

 

[ABMorales787]

Oh. Thanks. Lazy gringos.

 

[SavageTaker]

How does the bold part not contradict what you said about TNA here? Also, you should really read the whole thread. Finally, if WWE really wants to impress me they would stop treating these guys like independent contractors and start addressing the healthcare issue. I just find it amusing listening to people talk about how much WWE cares about the wrestlers well-being when a company as big as they are doesn't even have a healthcare plan for the wrestlers.

I'm not contradicting myself at all buddy. If you actually read carefully you would have seen I said TNA is too inept to help their workers. I never claimed they needed to have any responsibility. So yeah, I'm not making any contradictions here. Helping their employees, like WWE does, when it comes to drug addictions is actually a good thing, believe it or not. TNA should learn from WWE's past and not wait until something tragic happens to them that will force them to change.

Also, there you go again trying to make the WWE look like the bad guy and make it seem like everything is fine and dandy in TNA. I don't necessarily agree with WWE's decision to classify wrestlers as independent contractors, however, those wrestlers know what they are getting into so if they don't want to be classified as such then don't get into the business. That's a whole different problem though, so don't try to diverge the topic here into something that is a completely different issue.

 

[Remix]

How does the bold part not contradict what you said about TNA here? Also, you should really read the whole thread. Finally, if WWE really wants to impress me they would stop treating these guys like independent contractors and start addressing the healthcare issue. I just find it amusing listening to people talk about how much WWE cares about the wrestlers well-being when a company as big as they are doesn't even have a healthcare plan for the wrestlers.

Actually, WWE pay for the treatment of any and all injuries sustained in a WWE ring.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

TNAsylum.com
According to a key TNA insider, a decision on the Jeff Hardy has either been made, or will be finalized very soon, and announced to the public "shortly."

Very Intresting

 

[Shocky]

Anything besides a removal from the roster is a slap on the wrist at this point.

 

[shattered dreams]

I'm not contradicting myself at all buddy. If you actually read carefully you would have seen I said TNA is too inept to help their workers. I never claimed they needed to have any responsibility. So yeah, I'm not making any contradictions here. Helping their employees, like WWE does, when it comes to drug addictions is actually a good thing, believe it or not. TNA should learn from WWE's past and not wait until something tragic happens to them that will force them to change.

So TNA is inept at doing something that they have no responsibility to do and this is a big issue because the company we are praising has had tragic happenings in their past while the "inept" company hasn't. Makes perfect sense?

Also, there you go again trying to make the WWE look like the bad guy and make it seem like everything is fine and dandy in TNA. I don't necessarily agree with WWE's decision to classify wrestlers as independent contractors, however, those wrestlers know what they are getting into so if they don't want to be classified as such then don't get into the business. That's a whole different problem though, so don't try to diverge the topic here into something that is a completely different issue.

When did I say everything was fine in TNA? How am I making WWE look like a bad guy by stating a fact? How come when it comes to WWE you play the the wrestlers knew what they were getting into card but when it comes to TNA the company has "responsibilities." Which is it? This is why I called you out on contradictions in the first place. How the fuck is talking about a healthcare plan diverging from the topic? The only reason I mentioned the independent contractor thing is because it is the only way they legally can get away with that. Being better than a company with almost no policy (TNA) does not make WWE good. Anyone that thinks any company treats their wrestlers especially good is naive.

 

[Nate DaMac]

There goes SD talking out of his ass again. Let's just go with the facts we have since someone wants to try to compare a turd to a sunset oh so badly.

1. WWE pays for the treatment and rehabilitation of injuries for any current WWE Superstar.

TNA does not.

2. WWE pays for treatment and rehabilitation of past and current stars to overcome drug and alcohol addiction.

TNA does not.

3. WWE may not provide a health care plan to their stars, but they provide them with more than enough for the means to pay for regular doctor visits.

TNA pays the stars enough to where they only have to have a part time job on the side to make ends meet.

Yeah... saying WWE treats their stars better is not only not "naive," it's fucking fact.

 

[Alastor]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't WWE having two separate rosters for the 2 brands help to ease the workload for some? Sure they might still be traveling but they have a copeout for wrestlers to miss shows because he is not on the brand. They might also not need to be in action all the time during tours and have an easier rotation of touring duties.

 

[shattered dreams]

Noticeably bad reading comprehension to the point it isn't even worth my time and did you say Taylor Wilde was a star?

 

[ROCKY VS CENA OMG]

Noticeably bad reading comprehension to the point it isn't even worth my time and did you say Taylor Wilde was a star?

Boo! you suck. Jeff Hardy should do less drugs imo.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Wasn't one of the reasons Angle left the WWE for TNA because WWE insisted he go to rehab for painkillers when he didn't want to? I mean, he quite WWE in late August of 06, and he started wrestling in late September for TNA? That doesn't exactly scream "We care about our wrestler's health and well being."

Marvelous, Second that shattered?

 

[shattered dreams]

Angle clearly got better in TNA. As far as I know he did it without actual rehab. I think you are telling an interesting story here but leaving out the first 95% of it. That part is how Angle got in the condition he was in if WWE cared so much about his health.

 

[Alastor]

In other words,
Angle got better in TNA = WWE is bad for trying to force him to rehab. Credit to TNA for offering an alternative option to solve Angle's problems. Angle's non breakdown is down to TNA's more relaxed attitude towards rehab.

Hardy got worse in TNA = WWE is bad for not giving Hardy more time. Credit to TNA for giving him a job. Hardy's failure is all his fault and has nothing to do with TNA's relaxed attitude towards drug use.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Angle has said on multiple occasions that he got better ON HIS OWN. No TNA, no WWE. The guy worked through his own problems. The TNA schedule has helped keep him off pain pills, but it didn't get him better.

 

[Coco]

Angle clearly got better in TNA.

Could you explain why you think this?

 

[X]

Could you explain why you think this?

I was about to ask the same question. It was only a little more than a year ago the man was being arrested for DUI and stalking Rhaka Khan. I've heard nothing about him "cleaning up".

Oh and bitching sig man, Parks and Rec is awesome and Ron Swanson is the man.

 

[shattered dreams]

I was about to ask the same question. It was only a little more than a year ago the man was being arrested for DUI and stalking Rhaka Khan. I've heard nothing about him "cleaning up".

Over a year and a half ago and as best I remember no charges stuck. Better is a relative term. I never said he was perfect now. Do really think Angle has shown no improvement in his health/drug/etc. condition since he has been in TNA? Also apparently he has said so on multiple occasions.

Angle has said on multiple occasions that he got better ON HIS OWN. No TNA, no WWE. The guy worked through his own problems. The TNA schedule has helped keep him off pain pills, but it didn't get him better.

How is that different than what I am saying? WWE schedule creates a bad environment. Angle got better on his own and WWE told him he could not get better on his own. I also think you are mistaken because I believe Angle does credit TNA/Dixie and others for at the least an assist on some of these things.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Because you were trying to suggest that Angle got better due to TNA. He was better prior to showing up in TNA. He maintained this in TNA.

 

[shattered dreams]

Let us pretend that is true for the sake of argument. So he was unable to "maintain" his health etc. in WWE and was able to in TNA.

 

[X]

Over a year and a half ago and as best I remember no charges stuck. Better is a relative term. I never said he was perfect now. Do really think Angle has shown no improvement in his health/drug/etc. condition since he has been in TNA?

I have no idea, and I'm guessing neither do you. Not unless you're good friends with Kurt and forgot to tell us. All I know is he was clearly struggling, getting into legal troubles with drugs and women. All of this while he was TNA World champion mind you, despite being arrested with HGH. The charges were dropped, yes, but that doesn't change the circumstances of Angle's condition at the time. I haven't heard anything about his personal life since then, but it's not as if he went the Sting route and made a born-again Christian film or something, infact he's making atrocious straight-to-DVD horror films and I haven't heard anything about him cleaning up.