Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Perhaps I worded that poorly. I mean the shift change when he comes in, not when he is leaving.
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Smooth Sexual Chocolate
Grapefruits of Wrath
Now put Jeff on a pro baseball, football, any pro sports team and watch him not get fired for being fucked up on drugs. Sure he'll get fired at McDonald's, because it's a dime a dozen type of situation, anyone can fill any spot at a McDonalds; not anyone can fill a spot in the Main event for a wrestling promotion, not every job is the same, and not every job fair, but there are plenty, and I mean PLENTY of organizations and company's that would NOT FIRE Jerff Hardy. I'm not saying it's fair, but this is the real world people, let's not fool our self's.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Well how about this analogy. If a team has a player who's production has diminished, has gotten out of shape, star power is fading, and busted with drugs, they'd fire his ass too.
Firing Jeff would only make things worse for him. In WWE, he never had the time to do the stuff he could. TNA gave him that freedom and well it didn't work out as planned. But at the same time, he's with his family and friends who can at least cover for him. Letting him go would be like throwing a bum onto the streets. He's not going to get better. He's just gonna ask for money to keep feeding his habit. Being alone would only fuel that more. If TNA keeps him, at least he'll have a bathroom to crash on.
People compare him to Scott Hall, but what happened after he was let go? It got worse.
People compare him to Scott Hall, but what happened after he was let go? It got worse.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Well it's not as if no one tried with Scott. He went to rehab several times.
If Jeff stays in TNA, no way he gets help. Those ***** wouldn't even pay for Konnan's surgery, let alone someone's rehab. WWE would if TNA cut his ass.
If Jeff stays in TNA, no way he gets help. Those ***** wouldn't even pay for Konnan's surgery, let alone someone's rehab. WWE would if TNA cut his ass.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
That's funny because Jeff has openly admitted several times that WWE gave him the ultimatum of either going and getting help or being fired, and he chose being fired, and this has happened numerous times throughout his career
Smooth Sexual Chocolate
Grapefruits of Wrath
Not if said player is still making money for the team, and Hardy is a top draw, if not the top draw for TNA, factor in merchandise and it just doesn't make sense to cut ties.
I'm not saying it's fair, I've been laid off in the past for no other reason that "the recession", I busted my ass everyday, made the company I worked for a better place and you know why I got laid off, because I was the most recent guy to receive a promotion, so by cutting me they saved themselves a little more money.
Life isn't fair, but this is quite the petty issue here, IWC up in arms because Jeff Hardy wasn't thrown out on his ass, TNA does the humane thing and everyone is all hell fire and brimstone.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Yes, and the idea of putting Jeff in rehab presupposes the notion that he wants to quit drugs. I see no evidence of that; he quit a great job at WWE because he wanted to be in a place where they didn't hassle him about what he did in his spare time. He and Angle wanted a place where they could have their cake and eat it, too........and they found it in TNA.
And let's not forget Jeff's court case, which was just granted another continuance. In order to accept a plea, wouldn't the court want assurances that the defendant has cleaned up his act? It seems all the prosecutors would have to do is show a tape of Hardy at Victory Road. Wouldn't that sink his boat in a hurry?
Yes, Jeff's attorneys would be protesting that he was under the influence of cold medicine, not drugs.......but the court would still have plenty to consider, wouldn't it?
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
If Jeff could handle his high, I wouldn't give a fuck one bit, but when people are paying their hard earned money to see the guy wrestle and they get an 88 second squash (most of that time spent watching Jeff wander around the ring acting like he was gonna throw his shirt to the crowd), because he's too fucking high to compete, then something needs to change
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
If he's not smart enough to realize that he has a wife and kid that are depending on him and he needs to clean up his act, the best thing for him would be to spend some time in jail.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
fucking moron
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
WWE seems very interested in doing anything but addressing the real root of the problems, their schedule. Where are TNAs drug related tragedies if they just hand out the products to everyone as a welcome package? Meanwhile WWE is still feeling the effects of years of abuse. Why do they get a free pass for that? WWE has taken some steps in the right direction but people oversell the measures they take. Better than nothing for sure but mostly reactionary and pr related.
7+ years ago yeah, last year no. I really doubt you want to take a debate about WWE and drugs back that far in time.
7+ years ago yeah, last year no. I really doubt you want to take a debate about WWE and drugs back that far in time.
FunKay the Inevitable
People Like Me, We Don't Play
WWE's schedules are so long because they're an international company who have fans all over the world and demand is high for them. I know this is difficult for you to grasp seeing as you’re a TNA fan and all.
Oh puh-lease, you know TNA would work that type of schedule if they could afford it/garner enough interest throughout the world to do it. And TNA drug related tragedies? You're looking at one unfold right now. You could blame it on WWE, but at least they attempted to discipline Jeff for his drug use and offered him help. TNA seems content to let him use all the drugs he wants.
It's not the WWE's fault that a few select employees can't handle their work schedule. When you work for the WWE, you know what you're getting into, a very demanding work schedule that will keep you on the road for weeks at a time. If you find that you can't handle that, quit, don't go running to drugs and alcohol to compensate.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
And they wouldn't send people to rehab if they could afford it? TNA might work such a schedule if they could but they do not presently. WWE could surely afford to give the guys some time off here and there but they do not for the most part. Constantly working your body like that is the main reason most guys start using something to dull the pain. WWE keeps taking those vices away but never adjusts the real problem.
It is anecdotal and a small sample size but the guys the WWE fires for drugs that do nothing else do not seem to fair well. Sometimes support can be life saving.
It is anecdotal and a small sample size but the guys the WWE fires for drugs that do nothing else do not seem to fair well. Sometimes support can be life saving.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
From what I understand, most folk chose to work on through injuries instead or nursing them. It's not WWE forcing them to. It's the nature of their line of work. I'm not seeing how the WWE is an issue here anyway. You act like they don't give any shit at all, which is debunked by the fact that they do pick up the tab on ex-employees' rehab stints. How many companies do that? While it's true this was a policy created in the wake of Benoit/Guerrero, it's not one that they were forced into. And it's not like rehab is cheap, either.
Support isn't cutting checks while condoning erratic and self-destructive behavior. Support is helping them help themselves get the help they need. Hardy is a mess. TNA does seem to care about his well being, and I'm partially glad they have chosen to stick by him. I'm not jumping on the "fire him" bandwagon just yet. I just think you were foolish to try and argue WWE as the bad guy over TNA on this because the support structure WWE has in place for their guys (past, present, and future) is light years beyond anything TNA does. I happen to feel that offering a "no question asked" rehab trip WHENEVER one needs it is far more helpful than just cutting one from some shows and giving them a paycheck.
Support isn't cutting checks while condoning erratic and self-destructive behavior. Support is helping them help themselves get the help they need. Hardy is a mess. TNA does seem to care about his well being, and I'm partially glad they have chosen to stick by him. I'm not jumping on the "fire him" bandwagon just yet. I just think you were foolish to try and argue WWE as the bad guy over TNA on this because the support structure WWE has in place for their guys (past, present, and future) is light years beyond anything TNA does. I happen to feel that offering a "no question asked" rehab trip WHENEVER one needs it is far more helpful than just cutting one from some shows and giving them a paycheck.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
I never said WWE was "the bad guy." All I did was point out that just getting rid of the guy doesn't necessarily have the best results in recent times. WWE just happened to be the wrestling company using that policy. Then as usual the marks shit their pants because I said the WWE wasn't perfect.
Pop Quiz: WWE offers rehab out of
A) the goodness and caring of their hearts
B)fear of PR nightmare
C)guilt over the environment that cultivated the issue
I am not knocking WWE. I am knocking people that pretend their policy is flawless.
Pop Quiz: WWE offers rehab out of
A) the goodness and caring of their hearts
B)fear of PR nightmare
C)guilt over the environment that cultivated the issue
I am not knocking WWE. I am knocking people that pretend their policy is flawless.
And WWE paid for Paul Bearer's life saving surgury and kept Matt Capotelli on the roster for literally years because? WWE may not be the worlds most ethical company, but there are shitloads of cases where they've been the good guys.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Yeah, pretty much what Remix said (did I just say that?!). It's motivations started out as a form of damage control, but they've gone on to do real work beyond trying to cover their asses. They could've dropped it yesterday and no one in the mainstream would have given a fuck. They believe in it.
And while you didn't outright say WWE were the bad guys, you still brought them into the conversation for no other reason than to attempt to make TNA look better by comparison. And it's not working.
And while you didn't outright say WWE were the bad guys, you still brought them into the conversation for no other reason than to attempt to make TNA look better by comparison. And it's not working.
Kenny Powers
Bulletproof Tiger
Jeff has more lives than a cat. With Jeff's problems with drugs in WWE and TNA, its a miracle he is still employed anywhere. If this was any one else, they would be fired on the spot the first time.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Everyone can dodge the tough question and make this some pissing contest between WWE and TNA all you want. The only point I made before everyones vagina's got all sandy is that just getting rid of Jeff isn't necessarily the best thing if you care about him getting better. Anyone that bothered to actually comment on that topic seemed to express at least some agreement.
As far as companies and drugs go I actually really do not give a fuck. I could care less if someone does drugs as long as it doesn't effect others (this would be where Jeff failed) and I think anything the companies do for the wrestlers is more than they have to. In that regard it is nice that WWE does something, even if the motivations are far from pure. I repeat, my only issue with the WWE policy is the people that proclaim them to be the new mother teresa.
I'd also caution against throwing TNA under the bus just because they do not go to lengths to make a big story out of every positive "wellness" thing they do or suspension. The ONLY reason WWE does that is the mistakes from their past. It is amusing to watch the sheep regurgitate the PR spin without ever considering why exactly they know this information to begin with.
When has that ever happened in prowrestling history? Up until a few years ago the company got the drugs for you. I'd be quite surprised if any wrestling company did not know a few doctors that could write some suspect prescriptions for pain pills or worse even now.
As far as companies and drugs go I actually really do not give a fuck. I could care less if someone does drugs as long as it doesn't effect others (this would be where Jeff failed) and I think anything the companies do for the wrestlers is more than they have to. In that regard it is nice that WWE does something, even if the motivations are far from pure. I repeat, my only issue with the WWE policy is the people that proclaim them to be the new mother teresa.
I'd also caution against throwing TNA under the bus just because they do not go to lengths to make a big story out of every positive "wellness" thing they do or suspension. The ONLY reason WWE does that is the mistakes from their past. It is amusing to watch the sheep regurgitate the PR spin without ever considering why exactly they know this information to begin with.
When has that ever happened in prowrestling history? Up until a few years ago the company got the drugs for you. I'd be quite surprised if any wrestling company did not know a few doctors that could write some suspect prescriptions for pain pills or worse even now.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Everyone is a strong word to use when talking about yourself.
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
WWE didn't force those men and women to come into their companies and get hooked on painkillers and other drugs. They simply made them and offer to work for them and those wrestlers accepted. They are there because they WANT to be there. Therefore, WWE shouldn't need to have any responsibility when they aren't forcing them to swallow those pills.
WWE does more than they actually need to in order to help those addicts. They knew what they were getting into from the beginning yet their employers are generous enough to offer help by paying for rehab and having a Wellness Policy set in place. If you're caught with an illegal substance or something that violates the policy then you're sent home for 30-days with no pay if I'm not mistaken and hopefully while you're sitting at home you think about what you've done. WWE gives their wrestler 3 chances to not fuck up so when your 3 lives are done then that's your problem for not getting the outside help there is and the help WWE offers.
So don't sit there and try to make the WWE look like the bad guy because TNA is too inept to help their workers with their addiction problems and too inept to have a proper policy against illegal drugs and substances. Yes, TNA doesn't make anything close to the money WWE does but if you believe they can't afford to pay for rehab just like WWE can then you're a fool. They are owned by a multi-million dollar company, I'm sure paying for rehab would not put a dent into their profits.
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