MITB hurting CM Punk?

[MikeKillam]

I've seen a lot of ROH stuff from him, and he's much better than a lot of what he's showing right now in WWE. I do think some more time in ECW would strengthen him up, or a long run as IC Champion. I would also like to see him use another finishing move. It's just not one of those finishers that can hit out of nowhere. Like the FU (sorry, Attitude Adjuster), you see it coming, and you have to wait for him to hit it. I would rather see him with some sort of kick or high flying move.

BUT ANYWAY, the question is this...

Is winning the Money in the Bank hurting his career?
I would say yes. His run last year was weak, and he looked weak compared to the other main eventers. It was clear, just like it was clear when Mysterio held the title, that it just wasn't working. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent, but he doesn't have the look, the record (in WWE) or accomplishment that would make me believe he's credible. And to give him MITB just shows that creative can't script him a good run at the title. They have to find some way to instantly put him in the main event, and this is it. Because in a feud with Triple to determine the #1 contender, he would get buried. So, would it be a better idea to wait and build him up slowly. He's got the crowd behind him, and unlike Cena, he can actually wrestle. I just think he needs another run as a mid-card champion, and really get some good matches under his belt. If the IC title was made to look like a legit title again, say giving it to guys like Big Show, Edge, Shawn Michaels, JBL, etc. then CM Punk and all those holding that belt, would look more credible as well. Just a thought.
What's yours?

 

[DD84]

I don't think it is hurting him that bad. Last year it helped him because he won the belt, but looked weak. He won again, this time I am sure that he will look better. But I think it is hurting Shelton Benjamin, how many has he been in? He is always in it and never wins. It is the one day of the year people want to see and then stop paying attention to him. I like him too, I wish he wins one, one day.

 

[Blade]

The truth is, if Hardy hadn't fucked up and had won MitB, CM Punk would be a very over midcarder and the perfect choice to win MitB this year.

Weeks before WM24, Jeff Hardy gets him stupid self suspended, once again messing everyone else's plans up. So WWE look to the second most over midcarder to but the briefcase on. They go for CM Punk rather than Kennedy, which turned out to be the smartest decision since Kennedy got injured not long after....
Punk goes on some losing streak for awhile, and then cashes in MitB by GTSing Edge after Edge had gotten his ass handed to him by Batista... Now this way of cashing in wouldn't have been so bad if WWE had built CM Punk into a legit contender over the months, but no... he was a midcarder whose win/loss ratio was about 50:50.
But anyway, Punk cashes in on Edge, which despite its slight stupidity, also puts over Punk huge, albeit briefly.
WWE treated World Champion Punk like they would a guy who's been in WWE for a year and has no real experience but has massive potential. Punk gets 2 wins over JBL and a DQ win over Batista cause Kane interferes. The match with Batista was such an important match for Punk, but WWE didn't notice. If Punk had won, fans would've thought "Ok, maybe he's not so bad...." But heaven forbid WWE would give a young guy the privledge of going over one of Hunter's boys.
So Punk loses the title in ridiculous fashion... By not losing the title. Yes, it was cool for RKO fans because it showed how much he was shaking things up. But it messed up Punk even more. So Punk has a great match against Jericho for the title, but after that he spirals back down the card... Crap tag title reign, crap IC title reign.

The moral of the story if something doesn't go according to WWE's plans, then they'll just not give a fuck about what happens until they get the plans back on track. This shows it perfectly. According to the plan, Hardy was supposed win the MitB. Things don't go according to plan. They fuck over Punk until the plan is back on track i.e. the belt goes on Jericho so he can drop to Cena.

In honesty, this MitB win should be regarded the same way the last one was; with some skeptisism and some hope. This year CM Punk was supposed to win it. Supposed to. He did it, and WWE has never made anyone who's supposed to win it look bad. Edge won it, and look where he is now. RVD won it and had 1 and a half (ECW is half a world title in my mind) world titles till he got suspended. Kennedy was going to headline wrestlemania with his MitB case. and I'm sure Jeff Hardy's MitB reign would've been a good one.
CM Punk will be a future maineventer or career midcarder based entirely on what WWE does with him this time. This is CM Punk's last chance because they simply can't make him win MitB for the 3rd time, there's other guys who need pushes too. Will Punk and WWE make it work this time? We'll have to see... But I really hope so.

 

[nuttyconnor]

Tbh, I was dissapointed.
I think this did, and will, hurt his career.
Some of the above comments are right, because by going for the World Title's he's being put through as a main eventer, and he is no where near popular enough for it.
Big mistake IMO.

Oh btw, off-topic, can someone tell me why it wont let me post a thread?

 

[slayerofpanda]

Maybe its just me but last year it wasn't his fault his title reign sucked. The guy that held the title wasn't treated as the main event, I remember going to raw and having Batista and JBL and punk in the main event slot and having the whole match revolve around JBL and Batista, punk had to leave the ring and sneak out as Batista's music hit and the show went off the air.

in a microcosm that was punks reign, he was the title holder and they didn't give him the main event. If they want his title reigns to work they gotta give him a feud that matters and not a JBL feud which was dumb and lackluster. Then they followed up by having him wait for Batista in the reigns who is a way over face compared to Punk. If ya wanna build a champion face's popularity don't put compare him in the same storyline to a super face, and then treat him as the 2nd fiddle

I hated creative for doing that as I am a huge punk fan.

 

[RVDgurl]

No. As much as people want to bash him, he's had a rather successful go of it since he came to the WWE. Everywhere he goes he gets a good pop from the crowd. There are always tons of CM Punk shirts and signs floating around in the crowds. Hell, I would venture to say that last night at WM25 there were more Punk signs than anything else. He's held just about every title in the company, has 2 MITB wins under his belt, moves a shit ton of merchandise and is over with the crowd. If he was really so toxic, why does he remain near the top of the company?

Winning MITB last year was perfect for him. This year, it was a bit more shocking and unexpected. Honestly, there has to be a time when the MITB winner does NOT capture a world title when they cash it in. Otherwise the MITB will lose it's luster quickly. This year may be that year. I don't see Punk winning another world title off the MITB. And that will be ok. His career will be just fine, win or lose.

 

[slayerofpanda]

No. As much as people want to bash him, he's had a rather successful go of it since he came to the WWE. Everywhere he goes he gets a good pop from the crowd. There are always tons of CM Punk shirts and signs floating around in the crowds. Hell, I would venture to say that last night at WM25 there were more Punk signs than anything else. He's held just about every title in the company, has 2 MITB wins under his belt, moves a shit ton of merchandise and is over with the crowd. If he was really so toxic, why does he remain near the top of the company?

Winning MITB last year was perfect for him. This year, it was a bit more shocking and unexpected. Honestly, there has to be a time when the MITB winner does NOT capture a world title when they cash it in. Otherwise the MITB will lose it's luster quickly. This year may be that year. I don't see Punk winning another world title off the MITB. And that will be ok. His career will be just fine, win or lose.

Ya know a perfect scenario would be if Orton gets the Title and Punk challenges him RVD style(for the upcoming PPV), and Legacy somehow interferes in the match screwing him out of the title. This helps Orton get some heat and gets Punk into the mainevent without getting the title off of MITB.

 

[foundation611]

I've seen a lot of ROH stuff from him, and he's much better than a lot of what he's showing right now in WWE. I do think some more time in ECW would strengthen him up, or a long run as IC Champion. I would also like to see him use another finishing move. It's just not one of those finishers that can hit out of nowhere. Like the FU (sorry, Attitude Adjuster), you see it coming, and you have to wait for him to hit it. I would rather see him with some sort of kick or high flying move.

BUT ANYWAY, the question is this...

Is winning the Money in the Bank hurting his career?
I would say yes. His run last year was weak, and he looked weak compared to the other main eventers. It was clear, just like it was clear when Mysterio held the title, that it just wasn't working. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent, but he doesn't have the look, the record (in WWE) or accomplishment that would make me believe he's credible. And to give him MITB just shows that creative can't script him a good run at the title. They have to find some way to instantly put him in the main event, and this is it. Because in a feud with Triple to determine the #1 contender, he would get buried. So, would it be a better idea to wait and build him up slowly. He's got the crowd behind him, and unlike Cena, he can actually wrestle. I just think he needs another run as a mid-card champion, and really get some good matches under his belt. If the IC title was made to look like a legit title again, say giving it to guys like Big Show, Edge, Shawn Michaels, JBL, etc. then CM Punk and all those holding that belt, would look more credible as well. Just a thought.
What's yours?

I didn't think of it that way but that does kinda make sense they don't find ways to put Punk in the main event just by giving him this MitB title shot. His reign last year was booked as complete crap the only worse reign was Mysterio. Punk was a joke as champ and didn't even main event most RAWs he was on as champ and all he did was fight JBL a few times. No feuds or anything. He was terrible as champ. So why give it to him again? What is the point of him winning it again? To do what? Have another lackluster title reign. I like Punk but wasn't happy he won and thought it was a waste of a title shot.

 

[simpsons_fanatic742]

I'm expecting CM Punk to be the first person to cash in the Money in the Bank and lose. They've already made him the first wrestler to win MITB twice so I think they'll make him the first to lose as well.

While I don't think that the MITB is hurting Punk, it's not helping him either. To get him into main-event status you have to put him in a proper fued and have him win the title not through the MITB.

 

[aljnxh]

I think that the creative team felt like they screwed up, so they decided to give the MiTB to Punk because he lost it in a pretty crappy way last year. I actually think that creative was going to give the title back to him, but then they had this whole thing about Jericho and HBK and Cena returning, which they felt were much more important than having something with Punk, so they moved him down to a mid card. They made him a triple crown champion, though no one cared, kudos for effort though.I see when a heel becomes champion, he'll cash it in like the same thing he did to Edge. Or this would be a great opportunity to turn him heel (maybe) by cashing it in on HHH or Cena also in the same fashion he did to Edge. I just hope they don't show the promo where Punk cashed it in against Edge 150 times per week.

 

[RVDgurl]

Ya know a perfect scenario would be if Orton gets the Title and Punk challenges him RVD style(for the upcoming PPV), and Legacy somehow interferes in the match screwing him out of the title. This helps Orton get some heat and gets Punk into the mainevent without getting the title off of MITB.

There we go...something like that. Just being in a main event match, and being able to hold your own, helps your career. I truly don't think Punk will win another world title from this, but it could make for a great storyline.

The point is, that CM Punk is not being pushed down anyone's throat anymore than Cena is (and I believe the census these days is that Cena is great). Punk, like Cena, is getting reaction from the fans and is moving merchandise by the truckload. Punk is over, as much as some people don't want to see that.

 

[klunderbunker]

I wouldn't say so at all. That's like saying HBK was hurt by winning back to back Rumbles. How does it hurt him? It means that he'll be around the title for awhile and can maybe build up to the big match he's never had. Last night was as smarky of a crowd as I've seen in a long time. They were booing Punk, Cena and HHH out of the building. That's nothing more than trying to look cool which went out of style years ago. Love him or hate him and I love him, the guy gets push after push. He was IC Champion less than a month ago, he's a former world champion etc. What hasn't this guy done? he's getting pushed almost as well as Lesnar and Angle was, yet he's hated. Why he's hated I'm not sure, but he gets the push and he's still getting it. Vince must see something in him.

 

[Phoenix]

At first, I thought yes. But then it hit me, I think Punk is going to enter a feud over MITB briefcase, probably with Christian or Kane, and I think it could make MITB matter again rather than a random champion for a day. I think because of the ratings boost that Punk received when he was World Champion is probably why they went with Punk to win, Vince wouldn't put Christian over, MVP's got the US Title and Benjamin is doomed to the mid-card.

Just because Punk won MITB doesn't mean he will become the champion, hell, what if it meant a heel turn? Given JBL just quit, would make sense for Punk to turn as he's made history to be the only MITB back-to-back winner.

In short, it hasn't hurt him, but I think creative know what they want to do with him now.

 

[LCShazardous]

i think one thing they're trying to do id use punk to actually make the money in the bank atually look like a main eventer creator i mean if you look at all the people in WWE who have held the money in the bank they're are oly 2 that actually stayed in the spotlight RVD and edge, i think they're trying to do the same thing to punk try to give him the main event push strong enough to keep him there

or maybe they screwed up last time and they want to do it right this time try to make his title reign look good and not make him lookk like the underdog

 

[ZAPX4V1]

Last night was as smarky of a crowd as I've seen in a long time. They were booing Punk, Cena and HHH out of the building. That's nothing more than trying to look cool which went out of style years ago. Love him or hate him and I love him, the guy gets push after push. He was IC Champion less than a month ago, he's a former world champion etc. What hasn't this guy done? he's getting pushed almost as well as Lesnar and Angle was, yet he's hated. Why he's hated I'm not sure, but he gets the push and he's still getting it. Vince must see something in him.

Why do you think people boo Punk, Cena and HHH? It's because everyone is sick of them. All 3 are extremely overrated and should have never made it past the midcard.

Lesnar and Angle had talent and deserved huge pushes. Punk is lucky to even have a job. His matches are boring, he can't cut a promo, and he isn't even believable as a midcarder.

 

[rko57]

I wouldn't say so at all. That's like saying HBK was hurt by winning back to back Rumbles. How does it hurt him? It means that he'll be around the title for awhile and can maybe build up to the big match he's never had. Last night was as smarky of a crowd as I've seen in a long time. They were booing Punk, Cena and HHH out of the building. That's nothing more than trying to look cool which went out of style years ago. Love him or hate him and I love him, the guy gets push after push. He was IC Champion less than a month ago, he's a former world champion etc. What hasn't this guy done? he's getting pushed almost as well as Lesnar and Angle was, yet he's hated. Why he's hated I'm not sure, but he gets the push and he's still getting it. Vince must see something in him.

I was at WrestleMania last night, and we didnt necassarily boo Punk. We actually have a really great pop for him. What we did boo is when Christian got knocked off the ladder because majority wanted him to win (as did I)
Cena always gets a half reaction, and people wanted to see Orton get passed the torch instead off HHH win. Just throwing all that out there.

Anyways, I do not think MITB is hurting CM Punk, it can give him a chance to get a much better way. I think this will be the ultimate test of if he is a Main-Eventer, or a Top Mid-Carder for life.

 

[OIL]

You can't blame his lackluster title run because of the MITB ladder match. CM Punk did a decent job as champion. Ratings wise, he was fantastic. Very, very high ratings and he didn't deserve to lose the belt when he did. However, the MITB match is doing wonders for him. He can easily win the IC Title, have a good stay in the mid-card for a while before losing it and then moving onto the bigger title. Nothing to stop him at all.