McMahon/Finlay "Deal"

[Deexter Jorgan]

Finlay has said this to vince a number of times, on Raw when khali interrupted hornswaggles match to an incident of smackdown, since hornswoggle and finlay are officially smackdown superstars, i thought i would post this here so please give me your opinion, what's the deal between Vince and Finlay?

 

[MR.SCOTT]

maybe hornswoggle isnt vinces son after all, maybe there is a plan to for finlay to keep it a secret so that vince gives him a wwe title shot, imo I think it adds edge to the whole vinces son storyline that was lost due to kennedys stupidity, and keeps us all on our toes, i know that i will be watching to see if this all unravels

 

[Tomko]

maybe hornswoggle isnt vinces son after all, maybe there is a plan to for finlay to keep it a secret so that vince gives him a wwe title shot, imo I think it adds edge to the whole vinces son storyline that was lost due to kennedys stupidity, and keeps us all on our toes, i know that i will be watching to see if this all unravels

I think that'd be the best bet, as the current angle with Hornswoggle is getting stale. I also think that it will lead to a Finlay face turn because he's starting to get more over with the crowd.

 

[justinsayne]

I'm sure it's something much more simple than what anyone is gonna think, my guess is the deal is something like Khali stays away from Hornswoggle, and Finley doesn't get involved, and stays out of Vince's hair

something dumb like that, though knowing how WWE creative works, they probably don't even know what the deal is yet, they're just pulling shit out of their asses as they go

 

[Lil Wes]

First of all, Why can't you give reasons to what you think it may be?

Second, Meh, I agree with Justin. It will not be anything we hope for it to be, like a surprise that Hornswoggle isn't really his son and it was nothing more than a cover up, or Finlay is Horny's true father or anything surprising of that matter. Why? Because it's WWE creative. They can't think of anything brilliant like that to pick Kennedy back off his ass and give him that spotlight to run with.

Knowing WWE, Vince told Finlay not to tell anyone about Hornswoggle's mom who happened to be a Irish prostitute that Vince corked. But who know's? Maybe WWE will come up with something not half-assed done that could lead to a surprise.

 

[mattitude2007]

I don't think its going to be something simple.

Or maybe that's just me hoping. But Vince as you may remember was trying desparately to keep Finlay quiet about the 'deal'. So that is my logic in this.

 

[Total Impact]

Maybe Vince isn't Hornswaggle Dad, and that Finlay is the daddy and the actual deal is that Finlay is really Vince's brother and hornswaggle is his nephew and they made some kind of deal. Acutally the WWE has done something great as I have no clue what they are talking about.

But what it could be that as along as Hornswaggle doesn't get hurt, and Finlay protects him, that Finlay will get a title shot, or after a time period has pass, Finlay would handover Hornswaggle to Vince and never protect him so that he can get a shot at the World Title.

It;s like what others have said, that it's something simple.

 

[Danmen001]

Actually, as I remember seeing it on RAW, the deal has been told. The deal was that Finlay keep Hornswaggle safe, and Finlay gets a title opportunity. I believe this started at Survivor series with the tough love match of Honry against Khali, then Finlay coming in to save the day. They make the deal.....yada yada.....Khali enters the mini rumble and Vince says he had nothing to do with it. Finlay says that Vince isn't keeping his end of the deal and that Vince is the one making all 'issues' with Khali happen. Finlay is entered into the rumble by Vince to keep Horny safe. Something will probably happen at the rumble with this.

 

[Gus]

Actually, as I remember seeing it on RAW, the deal has been told. The deal was that Finlay keep Hornswaggle safe, and Finlay gets a title opportunity. I believe this started at Survivor series with the tough love match of Honry against Khali, then Finlay coming in to save the day. They make the deal.....yada yada.....Khali enters the mini rumble and Vince says he had nothing to do with it. Finlay says that Vince isn't keeping his end of the deal and that Vince is the one making all 'issues' with Khali happen. Finlay is entered into the rumble by Vince to keep Horny safe. Something will probably happen at the rumble with this.

The only problem with your theory is, can they trust Finlay with the mania main event? I think it will be that, but McMahon eliminates Finlay, RAW guy wins rumble finlays in the elimination chamber,it's sort of a title shot WWE has good storyline going, they need to finish it strongly though

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

The only problem with your theory is, can they trust Finlay with the mania main event? I think it will be that, but McMahon eliminates Finlay, RAW guy wins rumble finlays in the elimination chamber,it's sort of a title shot WWE has good storyline going, they need to finish it strongly though

I would love to see Finlay in the main event as i feel that he would be the best person for it, he is bordering on it so why not cement the deal?.

I would say it could be something big maybe Finlay knows the truth about Vinces affair with Hornswoggles mum, maybe Finlay is Vinces brother (long shot i know), but i really do want to see how this all works out and am eagerly anticipating the climax of this storyline

 

[Harpa]

Actually, I don't think any of the theories created in this thread so far really make sense.

I'm sure it's something much more simple than what anyone is gonna think, my guess is the deal is something like Khali stays away from Hornswoggle, and Finley doesn't get involved, and stays out of Vince's hair

something dumb like that, though knowing how WWE creative works, they probably don't even know what the deal is yet, they're just pulling shit out of their asses as they go

If the deal was simply about that, why would Vince McMahon be so eager to keep it a secret? Trying to keep Finlay out of his business by protecting Hornswoggle wouldn't be something that would be a big deal for Mr. McMahon, and why would Finlay get involved with Vince in the first place if there wasn't some other reason?

Actually, as I remember seeing it on RAW, the deal has been told. The deal was that Finlay keep Hornswaggle safe, and Finlay gets a title opportunity. I believe this started at Survivor series with the tough love match of Honry against Khali, then Finlay coming in to save the day. They make the deal.....yada yada.....Khali enters the mini rumble and Vince says he had nothing to do with it. Finlay says that Vince isn't keeping his end of the deal and that Vince is the one making all 'issues' with Khali happen. Finlay is entered into the rumble by Vince to keep Horny safe. Something will probably happen at the rumble with this.

Again, why keep this a secret? Trying to protect his son (or maybe not?) Hornswoggle wouldn't be something that has to be kept secret, and giving people title opportunities for personal reasons wouldn't be either for Mr. McMahon as he makes egoistic choices all the time.

In my opinion Finlay obviously knows something with which he is blackmailing Vince. In order for Finlay to remain silent about that secret Vince promised to do something, obviously something relating to Hornswoggle. Maybe simply protecting him from people like Khali, maybe something different.

 

[Danmen001]

The only problem with your theory is, can they trust Finlay with the mania main event? I think it will be that, but McMahon eliminates Finlay, RAW guy wins rumble finlays in the elimination chamber,it's sort of a title shot WWE has good storyline going, they need to finish it strongly though

I was only referring to like a Finlay elminates Khali thing, not the wrestlemaina main event....not that im saying i wouldn't mmind that.

Again, why keep this a secret? Trying to protect his son (or maybe not?) Hornswoggle wouldn't be something that has to be kept secret, and giving people title opportunities for personal reasons wouldn't be either for Mr. McMahon as he makes egoistic choices all the time.

In my opinion Finlay obviously knows something with which he is blackmailing Vince. In order for Finlay to remain silent about that secret Vince promised to do something, obviously something relating to Hornswoggle. Maybe simply protecting him from people like Khali, maybe something different.

Well, I was saying that people HAVE heard the deal and that the person they are playing out to keep the deal from is Hornswaggle.

 

[hungry cow]

My original thought when Hornswaggle was revealed as McMahon's son was that he would turn out to be Finley's son and someone deceived Vince into thinking he had a migit son to punish him. Maybe this could still happen. I also think there is a possibility Finley could turn on Hornswaggle and go back to being a heel and have serious heat this time.

 

[HBK-aholic]

The whole angle is just very stale. It isn't believable, and Hornswoggle does nothing. I don't even find humour in him. I doubt he would be trusted with anything important at 'Mania or any other event for that matter. I think it will just turn into everything being a huge mistake, and maybe a hate campaign againt Hornswoggle. I think McMahon may find out their was a mistake and that Hornswoggle isn't his son, but then turn it around as if it is all Hornswoggle's fault and that he somehow rigged the results.

This would still lead to nothing, however would make it a little more interesting than what is currently happening. But at the end of the day, I doubt Hornswoggle could carry a match with anybody. And what happened to Finlay anyway?

 

[TimmyTallsoxx]

I think that this could be a decent angle that wwe needs right now. i hope that kennedy gets revealed as mcmahons son like he sabotaged the dna results or something. as far as hornswoggle being finlays son that would be cool too maybe a tag team match at wrestlemania like kennedys/mcmahon vs horny/finlay. An with finlay havin matches with khali every week i think thats wwes way of trying to get something out of khali because they didnt like what batista had to offer and so finlay was in charge of training him but this was all before finlays return.

ps if kennedy were mcmahons son what would he say mr kennedy kenedy or mr mcmahon mcmahon? I know that his real name is ken anderson and he got kennedy out of vinces middle name some maybe theylll say its his middle name

 

[dirtyshubb]

I think it could be the original idea that was written, the son was meant to be Kennedy but he was susspended so he couldnt take the role but we will eventually find out he is Vince's son.

Its the best option i feel, i know some people dont feel Kennedy needs the role but it could tie in with the Flair retirement which i read Kennedy would be responsible for so after Wrestlemania you will have two heels with a lot of heat to capatalise on in Vince and Kennedy.

 

[Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!]

I agree with Dirtyshubb,
I've thought for a while that they'd go with Kennedy being Vince's real son and it all being a mistake which McMahon wanted to hide to see if Kennedy could make it on his own, then Finlay can be revealed as Horswaggle's daddy.

 

[klunderbunker]

I agree with the idea that Finlay is the real dad. Why else would he care so much about Hornswaggle? Not to mention, the definition of hornswaggle is to deceive or trick, which would make sense in this case. The only thing I can't figure out, is what would be the point of having Vince claim to be the dad? Maybe to avoid finding out who his real illegitimate son is?

 

[Da-N]

ARE we ever going to find out what the deal was or wil that be a wrestling mystery like who moved the brief case in the mcmahons vs austin ladder match, who drovethe hummer that hit nash, who were the powers that be.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

ARE we ever going to find out what the deal was or wil that be a wrestling mystery like

Are you just being naive? Have you simply NOT paid attention to the passed 3-4 weeks of Raw? The storyline that was set forth was J.B.L. revealing to Mr. McMahon that Finlay (Hornswoggle's REAL Father) went into play with the other McMahon Family, to play a trick on Vince for his womanizing ways, to claim Hornswoggle was McMahon's son..

So the storyline WAS revealed. It was revealed that Finlay was/is the real Father, and that he went into agreement with the other McMahon Family to go against Mr. McMahon.

who moved the brief case in the mcmahons vs austin ladder match

Wasn't it revealed that it was the Big Bossman who was raising and lowering the case?

who drovethe hummer that hit nash

I'm thinking it was Randy Savage & Sid Vicious. This one I could honestly be wrong on.

who were the powers that be.

W.W.F.'s - Mr. McMahon over the Undertaker

W.C.W.'s - Vince Russo & Ed Ferrara (spelling might be off on Ed's last name)

 

[Cage917r]

The problem is that it was Vince and Finlay who were talking about there deal, so why would Vince be talking about a deal he didn't know about??? I think they were going to have some deal, then decided to go in a different direction with the fued by implementing JBL into it. When Finlay and Vince were talking about their "deal", JBL was fueding with Y2J, when they decided to implement JBL into a fued with Finlay, they basically forgot about the deal and simply had JBL state that Horny was Finlay's son. So I dont think we will ever find out what there deal was because they changed the plans of the fued.

 

[Da-N]

I agree with cage Finley being the father wasn't the deal. It will be a mystery like the others. Especially since vince hasn't been on tv in three weeks he is phasing himself out of the angle.

Im not sure about bossman

At first they tried to make it seem like it was sid helping savange but at one point they both got out of the hummer and someone drove it away. They made a big deal about it but never revealed who it was.

Are you sure it was russo and ferrera?

 

[Mr. J Rock]

Yeah the feud ended quickly, and odd. I figured at first it would of been Vince vs. Finlay at Mania, because thats what it looked like they were building towards, and obviously Finlay would of gone over Vince in the match.

But for some reason Vince removed himself, and put JBL in. It ended quickly, so I guess plans changed and JBL was the backup plan.

 

[turbomonkey484]

i think Vince just wanted to get out of this angle because he realized it was going nowhere, and since jbl wasn't going to be doing anything at mania he got involved and took Vince's place as Finlay's opponent. and now they seem to be ignoring everything to do with Vince, Finlay, Hornswoggle and "the deal" which hopefully means we've seen the last of that storyline.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

The deal is most likely just forgotten, along with many other details with many different storylines. Suspension of disbelief is the standard, but they also up the ante sometimes and just subconsciously ask the viewers to flat out forget things ever happened. The fact that Hornswoggle was supposed to be Finlay's son is just a retcon (writer's term for "retroactive continuity", ala, "establishing something as the new truth and telling the audience that the previous things were either wrong or never existed in the first place")

We're just supposed to forget that there was ever a "deal", that there was ever a mother, that Hornswoggle is clearly not a kid, etc etc etc.

I'm really hoping that this whole angle is completely finished, as I thought it was incredibly annoying the whole time. How much wasted time was spent on Hornswoggle for the past few months? Too much to count.