Matt Hardy and Christian ... main event run by WM27?

[shooter_mcgavin]

A few weeks before the Money in the Bank PPV ... Christian and Matt had a segment on Smackdown! where they talked about the MITB but, more importantly, how they were never given the silver platter opportunities to make it to the top.

I was thinking to myself, if neither were going to win the MITB at the PPV why cut such a promo? Why would WWE officials allow this promo to happen knowing its basically saying they never got "the push"?

Then it hit me!!! Is the WWE preparing them for a main event run maybe around 2011.

In some ways Matt Hardy and Christian have some similarities with Guerrero and Benoit. Seen as superstars who doubt can win the "big one", have had consistently successful mid card runs before but no one saw a main event run coming (in fact for most people even as close as August 2003 no one expected them to be Champions in months time), and are respected for their work rate.

My questions is now is that you think Christian and Matt Hardy are positioned for a main event title run by WM27? For me I think its possible for a few reasons:

1.) I'm pretty sure the WWE is banking on guys like Daniel Bryan, Wade Barrett, McIntyre, etc as the future of the WWE but they are still a bit green. Just like Benoit and Guerrero, Matt Hardy and Christian can hold that bridge at the moment while the WWE is preparing these guys for the main event (much like Cena, Batista, Orton they were not ready yet by 2003/2004 but were able to pick up the slack by late 2004/2005)

2.) Matt Hardy and Christian are way over. Let's face it despite never getting that 100% support from management both Christian and Matt Hardy do get a very strong crowd reaction. In the case of Matt Hardy its quite unbelievable. Sure there are some off days but overall their crowd reaction has been consistently strong.

3.) That WM moment winning the title. The last times this happened when someone was newly crowned as Champion was WMXX, 21, and to an extent 22. Its been a long time since we had an emotional WM moment when someone finally won the title. The same way HBK, Benoit, Austin, and Savage won their first world title. I would say that Matt Hardy and Christian winning the World Titles for the first time at WM27, could definatley be that Wrestlemania moment. Guys who worked for years making it to the top and finally doing so at the grandaddy of them all.

4.) Cena, Orton, Triple H, Undertaker, and Edge already had their moments in the WM Title hunt. Having them in the title picture would not really have a lot of meaning since its been done before. It would make more sense having these established stars in those Angle/HBK or HBK/Undertaker'esque programmes at WM. Imagine Cena vs. Goldberg or Triple H vs. Undertaker at WM27, it could be a match as big as a title bout at WM and is still a marquee bout despite the Title not being in the picture.

Now I said my piece the question is how can this go. I made a lot of similar comparisons to Benoit and Guerrero with Matt Hardy and Christian. Possibly for good reason and that is because I keep playing this scenario in my head. Such as

-> Royal Rumble - Christian wins it with Edge being the Champion on RAW. This gives Christian the opportunity to jump to RAW setting up Edge vs. Christian for the WWE Title.

-> Elimination Chamber - we have the Smackdown! World Title Match. Kane is the dominant Champion. And then the unexpected happens and Matt Hardy wins the World Title. This sets up either Matt Hardy vs. Randy Orton or CM Punk.

Reason for these two options is being Punk is the top heel right now on Smackdown plus we can use the history of Punk being the one who forced Jeff Hardy to leave or that Punk is currently dating Lita (from what I heard). Or we have Orton who is credible enough for Hardy to face; plus they have similar finishing movies

Option 2 for Matt Hardy's scenario ...

Or heck why not a Triple Threat Match scenario. Where (1) Matt looses a World Title match to Punk at the Rumble. (2) Hardy enters the Chamber match at the World Title match but is injured before hand and Orton is the replacment, Orton wins the World Title (3) However Matt Hardy still is entitled to a World Title match setting up Matt Hardy vs. Randy Orton vs. CM Punk at WM27.

So thats my reasons and scenario playing out. What do you guys think?

 

[Stevo]

I think, your jumping the gun man.

It's way too soon to tell bro. It was only one promo! Wait for the fall out. And its not like the "e" hasn't hinted main event runs for Christian and Matt before. I mean think about the last three MITB ladder matches Christian was in, he was the favorite, but did he win? No. Remember Matts heel turn where he defeated the biggest star in the WWE back than his brother Jeff, what did that unfold into?

So I suggest you wait and see what happens before you put time and thought into something that isn't likely to happen.

 

[Christian42]

I do believe that this is possible for Christian, he is a better worker, wrestler, talker and one more thing. HIS BROTHER IS NOT IN TNA. VKM is to selfish to let Matt do anything positive because he wants to punish the family... right now Hardys best bet is to go to TNA

 

[gameshowfreak]

just a gut feeling, but I'm gonna say no to both because of politics,

Christian becuase he jumped to TNA years ago and I dont think VKM can let that slide.

Matt Hardy because like Christian42 said Jeff is in TNA.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Matt Hardy because like Christian42 said Jeff is in TNA.

That's a good point ... but then it can work both ways. Of course what was mentioned Matt Hardy will be punished because his brother Jeff went to TNA. Or they can push Matt Hardy as a main Eventer saying pushing their own Hardy into a bigger star than Jeff.

 

[The Aussie Invasion]

Dude, you're jumping the gun by a fair bit.
Reasons being:

1) Matt could be a main-eventer, But IMO not a World Champion
2) Christian is WAY over, But did go to TNA and had 2 runs as champ there if I'm not mistaken?
3) Jeff is in TNA
4) Apparently Vince doesn't think very highly of Christian, Even though he makes him a ton of money

I hope Christian gets a World Title (Or WWE) Title run soon, But Matt will never win the "Big One(s)", Well not during his WWE tenure at least. But this is just my opinion, Maybe I'll be horribly wrong about my Matt prediction, But IMO Matt isn't "World Champ material"

 

[zman21]

dnt 4get injuries can always happen. what if it is wwe managment plan to do this but both men get injured or just quit cause they are tired of wating so long. it is way to soon to predict this but will love it if it happens

 

[Krobra]

If you think about it, if their giving Kane one more title run, why not Matt Hardy or Christian? Jeff Hardy jumped ship to TNA for a little while and came back, winning the WWE Title and the World Heavyweight title twice. And with Benoit and Guerrero, their WWE/World Title reign for Wrestlemania 20 was a token for hard work. Rey Mysterio's first World Title reign was given because of the death of Eddie. Kane hasn't had a World Title run for 12 years until now, not counting the ECW title reign. Vince has been impressed with Kane recently and Kane doesn't ask for World Titles and if I remember right, turned opportunities down to help the younger talent.

I can see Matt Hardy and Christian getting one World Title reign for a short while. If they prove to be a good draw and make money, then one or two more reigns. With the Smackdown brand becoming the breeding grounds for the younger talent and is more wrestling based, I can see the older vets getting a World Title reign to help the newer talent get used to the main event scene or build a reputation for being a solid draw until they can jump ship to Raw. Will Matt Hardy or Christian get a World Title run within a year? Maybe, maybe not. Just got to see what happens.

 

[Vega]

The promo was appearently made to give the appearance that the SD! MITB can be won by a llot of people, thus making it more exciting. Just a normal way to hype. Some guys may be green, but Danielson is not green at all. I think he's more mature than most of the young guys like Miz, Swagger, Morrison, McIntyre or even Sheamus. A lot of people were way over, but right now, only about two people a year become first-time world champions. I think the WWE doesn't ant to give them the titles, there were opportunities before. Maybe one of the two, most likely Christian, can achieve a world title win, but they definately won't be headlining around WM.

 

[RiVaLGaMeR]

Well you cant say never in WWE. Likely? Probably not. I would like to see it but i cant see either of them being world champion because the feuds wouldnt be that good. If Matt could get his old self back then i could see the two fighting for a title at WM in a ladder match maybe one leaves for good deal.

 

[mrbrownstone]

I hope that is the case especially with Christian but it is way too early to tell, personally I think these two will probably fued with eachother for a while then move on to other things and while i would love to see Christian/Edge and Hardy/Punk at WM there is really no evidance to support either of those theories just yet, that promo on SD way just a way of hyping MITB.

 

[ThePh3nomonal1]

I would love to say yes to all of your suggestions because I am both a peep and a mfer but unfortunately I do not see any world title runs on the horizon for either.

I was putting all my hopes in that 1 of them would win this mitb but again my dreams have being shattered and now I believe the only way Matt will get a world title reign is in TNA and the same applies for Christian

 

[Davi323]

A few weeks before the Money in the Bank PPV ... Christian and Matt had a segment on Smackdown! where they talked about the MITB but, more importantly, how they were never given the silver platter opportunities to make it to the top.

And we can stop right there. You aren't given opportunities, you make them. There is no way in hell a Matt Hardy/Christian run will result in either one of them main eventing Wrestlemania. No fucking way in hell, it isn't going to happen. EVER. Neither one belongs in the main event at Wrestlemania, period. And its attitudes like "we were never given this, never given that" that are the reasons why. You earn your shots by working your ass off for them, not by expecting them to be handed to you. Anytime a wrestler, even kayfabe, says "I wasn't given this" I immediately call bullshit, and give them a rowdy fuck you for whining about their station in life.

 

[The Insano Shiekh]

I think that if the WWE was going to give these two a push before they retired, they would do it before fucking 2011. Can you not understand it's still July? Promos usually don't mean anything anymore, and as much as I like Christian and Matt Hardy it's unlikely that they're ever going to get a major World Title. Although both have the "it" factor and are "charismatic" Vince just sits there and shits on their pictures while fucking Trish Stratus secretly to avoid Senate shit. Christian and Matt Hardy are two names that kids don't pay attention to mostly, and that there is the only reason why they're not main eventing. Case closed.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Why on earth would it be a good idea to give Matt Hardy a main-event run? The purpose of having people in the main event is in order to draw ticket sales/PPV buys. Would people be opening up their wallets because of a Matt Hardy main event appearance? Maybe back when Jeff was around and they had built up the feud big enough to make Matt look credible. Or perhaps they could have better capitalized on the real-life heat that existed with Matt and Edge.

But they have flirted with Matt being at the top. They gave him a big run w/ the ECW belt...moved him to semi-main event, and he got hurt. Not his fault necessarily...but it's a business about momentum and drawing power...and when you are on the rise, momentum usually cuts back when an injury occurs.


Christian...who knows. I think they would have brought him in really hot if they had any kind of big plans for him. If they were going to push Christian to the moon, I think he would have won MITB at Mania 26.

 

[Aeon Mathix]

I agree with shooter on the part where christian wins the rumble and goes on to face edge for the title at wrestlemania next year. I think that would be the PERFECT scenario for him. Its not a big deal but i really wish wwe would have kept them storyline brothers instead of trying to fool everyone into thinking they were always just best friends. It would have made a potential world title match between the 2 better but thats just my own opinion. And i agree that we are long overdue for new champions to be crowned at wrestlemania. I want to experience that feeling again like i did watching benoit at XX.

Matt on the other hand...Im just not sure. I really only find him interesting when he is with jeff lol. It could happen like so many people said never say never with the WWE who would have thought we'd ever see Jack Swagger become world champion? at least so soon? But I do think matt's only hope to even come close to being world champion lies in TNA. Plus its not like more people will tune into tna if matt becomes champion, i mean hell jeff went to tna and though hes not champion the ratings didnt increase hardly at all. But i dont see matt ever being champion in the wwe.

 

[The Crock]

As much as I would love it if these two won world titles and got Main Event runs by Wrestlemania 27... I just don't see it happening. I figured that one of them two would win Money in the Bank, but when that didn't happen my hopes for them went way down. The only title either of them two will be feuding for will be the Intercontinental Title... I hope they can at least win that.

 

[Sora/roxas]

Matt Hardy is extremely over. was with the company in 1994 off and on till 1998 when he got a full time contract. He work with wwe till 2005 when they fired him. He came back the same year and has been there since. His brother and friends have all jumped ship but he stayed. doesnt anyone else thin he should be rewarded for layalty? Sure he got some titles but nothing big except the ecw title which was slowly declining. Now i wouldnt give it to him right now either. i would tell matt he has to loose 10 to 15 pounds of fat and get some more muscle, or be able to be somehat of a high flyer. Then give it to him.

Christian on the other hand is understandable. he left for tna in 2005 4 years and then came back in 2009. Hes over almost equally to matt(matt is a tiny bit ahead). He was given the ecw title after it slid down even more.Now he already has the look and isnt fat, he just cant be a safe bet buissness wise b/c he jumped ship before so whats stopping him from doing it again?


Both men should fued and whoever came out looking better got an ic run. thats all i see in the immediate future. Maybe a world title run down the road but not a long or memorable one. Prolly a little bit better than swaggers reign.

P.S. please correct me if any of my years are wrong

 

[harrythem]

Matt's time has been and gone. He's strictly the most popular jobber in WWE history. It's sad but the wrong Hardy got the charisma genetics, but it be's the way it bes.

As for Christian, he's lost in PG WWE as a face. He could cut it as a heel I'm sure but, he's the stepping stone, not the pinnacle. If he was going to get a shot then he'd have had it by now.

I fully expect them to be in Money In The Bank at Mania (if it happens there) as, sad to say, it's just not gonna happen for them.

 

[SpoodBeest]

I think they're time has past them sadly. I am one of the biggest Christian fans on this board but I have given up all hope of him ever getting a major push. This craptacular year of 2010 he has had just proves my disappointment. Matt Hardy I also like, I know many on this board hate him but i am a Matt supporter, and I know he will never touch the main event scene wether he is on SmackDown or not. I just don't see it, he has been a midcarder for basically a decade now and I don't think that is going to change.

So could Christian and Matt Hardy be put to better use on SmackDown? Absolutely, but will WWE give them the chance to shine in the positions you suggested? Not at all, the WWE has seemed content at keeping these two at a relatively low level and it's really quite a shame. I have given up all hope that WWE will push these guys to something good and relevant on SmackDown because it seems like they have a few good years of midcard work before they retire and nothing more.

 

[Stevo]

And we can stop right there. You aren't given opportunities, you make them. There is no way in hell a Matt Hardy/Christian run will result in either one of them main eventing Wrestlemania. No fucking way in hell, it isn't going to happen. EVER. Neither one belongs in the main event at Wrestlemania, period. And its attitudes like "we were never given this, never given that" that are the reasons why. You earn your shots by working your ass off for them, not by expecting them to be handed to you. Anytime a wrestler, even kayfabe, says "I wasn't given this" I immediately call bullshit, and give them a rowdy fuck you for whining about their station in life.

Whoa bud, you say you have to earn your shots? Well Christian and Matt have earned the right for a main event push, granted Christian once did leave, but he goes along with everything in WWE, works his ass off to make people and himself look like gold in the ring, and is the ideal main event cusp wrestler, he just needs that push.

Matt also has pu people over, worked his off over the years, etc. So I believe they have 'earned' th right to a main event push.

 

[dman1373]

Lets look at the me scene to see if they have a chance. Theirs the champ kane. And Rey mysterio as the number one contender. Their is big show fueding with cm punk. Swagger is going to fued with rey mysterio after summerslam probally. And the undertaker is fueding with kane afterwords. So that is 5 chasers. Big show and punk fued won't propel them into the title picture. Swagger is going to probally be put on the sidelines as their is no one to face him so he won't have anyone to face. That will make him have to little of a springboard to propel him into the title picture. And then theirs rey. He will lose and get knocked down a peg. Theirs no way he will beat kane. And Kane isn't built up enough to face undertaker. If undertaker returned at summerslam then kane would be buried. So that means, theirs a spot for the next ppv after summerslam. Unless theirs a scramble or a triple threat, i could easily see matt or christian in the me.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I don't honestly see how any of you can definitely say that neither of thses guys will ever get a World Title run.

You don't think people would open their wallets for a Matt Hardy ME run? Well let me ask this, did you think they'd do it for JBL? Or a 40 year old Kane?

Probably not, and yet Kane is currently the World Champion, and JBL still has the longest World title reign in SD history.

When top guys get hurt and giant piles of crap like the Great Khali are given the title in their absence, how can you definitely shoot down the idea of a Christian title run ever?

When guys like Jack Swagger job for months on end right up until the week before WM, you don't suddenly expect them to then become the champion the week after WM, do you?

When guys like Vladimir Kozlov come along, with no gimmick, no momentum and no charisma and they start beating all the ME'ers on the roster, why wouldn't you expect Matt Hardy to ever be champion?

When guys like Sheamus are beating up jobbers like Jamie Noble, you don't expect them to beat the face of the company for the WWE title, so why does everyone think Matt Hardy and Christian are doomed to the mid-card forever?

I don't expect them to achieve ME status by WM27 or anything, but i certainly wouldn't say for definite that it's never going to happen either.

Oh, and for those who think Matt is more popular than Christian, did you watch MiTB? There was a very loud and powerful Christian chant going on when it was jsut those two at the top of the ladder towards the end. And when i re-watched WM25's MiTB match, they were chanting for him to win as well. I think it's Matt who's just barely behind Christian in terms of overall popularity.