MACHO MAN - HOF

[Starkiller]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm new here, let's reopen this topic as I'm very curious as to why one of the all time greats, Randy Savage, has yet to be inducted. He has had a huge impact on the business, no one can deny that.


From what I gather it isn't a professional decision, it's a personal decision to keep him out.

I've learned through research that macho actually left wwe on good terms when he signed with the other promotion. Then there is this story that Vince found out afterwards that Macho slept with an underage Stephanie McMahon. Ohhh Yeaaah! Sorry, jokes aside, if that is the reason, then that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. What Macho did in the sheets shouldn't take away what he accomplished in the ring.

Am I the only one who wonders about this?

 

[OYDK]

Read something about this. Apparently Randy Savage left the WWE on very good terms with Vince Mcmahon. Savage didn't agree with the way WWE was using him and decided to go to a place that was going to actually let him wrestle. Mcmahon was upset because he and Savage were very close, but understood Macho Man's decision.

Apparently, after Savage left the Fed, Vince found something out about Randy that really pissed him off. Many people think that it had to do with "inappropriate relations" between Savage and Stephanie while others think that something else happened between the two. For the record, nobody has outright denied the Randy Savage/Stephanie claim, not even Stephanie herself... All I know is that Vince Mcmahon found SOMETHING about Savage that led to him banning the Macho Man's name from ever being spoken in the back again.

I recall watching a few Raw episodes back in the day where Vince would describe Randy Savage as "undoubtedly a future WWF Hall of Famer." Vince was ultimately able to rekindle his friendship with people like Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior but stayed furious with Savage until the day he died. It's a shame we'll never know the TRUE reason as to why Randy Savage is not yet in the HOF.

To answer your question, the decision is most definitely a personal one on Vinny Mac's part.

 

[Starkiller]

Yeah that's what I gathered as well. I know it's not a comfortable topic to talk about, thanks for the post.

 

[Scrotie McBoogerballs]

Vince can be really spitefull when he wants to be. If there was to be money to be made from it though Vince would put him in.

but from what I can gether off youtube shoots from various people (mostly Lanny Poffo) is that Randy was offered a HOF spot but refused to go in by himself and wanted his family inducted (his dad Angelo and brother Lanny), Vince refused and that was that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HtsP4fhHP8

 

[Navi]

I read a couple of years ago that Savage had been asked many times and declined. I'm not sure if they can just include him without his families permission. They also wanted to induct Owen Hart but his wife wants understandably to do with the WWE, after the way he died. She won't give her permission and I don't know who's left to give permission to induct Savage.

 

[Starkiller]

Wwe has released macho man DVDs, and before he died I remember him working with wwe doing a promo for wwe all stars video game. Does wwe really need permission to honor one of its most popular characters?

 

[OYDK]

Wwe has released macho man DVDs, and before he died I remember him working with wwe doing a promo for wwe all stars video game. Does wwe really need permission to honor one of its most popular characters?

Mach always wanted to go into the Hall with his brother and his father but Vince Mcmahon would not have it. He had reached out to Savage a few times for the HOF but Randy always refused because, again, if his father and brother couldn't go in with him, than he didn't want to go in at all. It was sort of a no win situation. Nowadays, I believe the WWE has approached Savages brother, but his brother has refused because he doesn't want to go against Savages wishes. It's a real screwed up story.

 

[Shifty]

Wwe has released macho man DVDs, and before he died I remember him working with wwe doing a promo for wwe all stars video game. Does wwe really need permission to honor one of its most popular characters?

While the WWE did approve his inclusion in the game, they had nothing to do with the promo. THQ were the ones that signed him and did the promo themselves, much like they did Warrior and Hogan for various other releases.

Randy also had nothing to do with the dvd release, which was long overdue and unfortunately a halfassed production that felt like a cash grab more than anything else.

The only time they really went out of their way to honor him was when he died and that was only because they had to.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

As one poster pointed out, there are allegations that've persisted for years that Savage had sex with Stephanie McMahon, that he insinuated that he did, that he wanted to or something along those lines. When Savage left the company in '94, Stephanie was 18 or close to turning 18 and one version of the story I'd heard was that Savage alleged he was gonna get with her once she was legal. Nobody really knows the full story aside from Vince & Stephanie as to whether or not that's true, it's just a part of wrestling lore.

Nobody can deny Savage's impact on the business, nobody's trying to from what I understand. According to Lanny Poffo, Savage's brother, Savage told him that he'd accept an invitation to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame IF it meant an induction of the Poffo family as a whole. Poffo would later state that since it was a wish of his brother, he wouldn't accept an invite on his brother's behalf unless they honored his wishes. However, I do remember reading sometime in the past year a statement that Poffo made in regards to an induction in that WWE could go ahead and induct Savage if they wanted to, only that he wouldn't be there on his brother's behalf. That statement made me sort of suspicious, it got me to wondering if Poffo himself was looking to land some sort of working arrangement/business deal with the company as he'd stated numerous times that he'd honor Savage's wishes.

If Triple H was ultimately the one in charge, I think he'd agree to Poffo's wishes that the family be inducted. After all, Triple H is the guy who allegedly reached out to Sammartino & Warrior to get the ball rolling towards inducting them and to some sort of reconciliation. Vince, even though he's mellowed some over the past several years, is still legendary for his stubbornness. If he feels he's being given an ultimatum by someone he feels has nothing to offer in return, he may well just thumb his nose at that person.

 

[Starkiller]

If Triple H was ultimately the one in charge, I think he'd agree to Poffo's wishes that the family be inducted. After all, Triple H is the guy who allegedly reached out to Sammartino & Warrior to get the ball rolling towards inducting them and to some sort of reconciliation. Vince, even though he's mellowed some over the past several years, is still legendary for his stubbornness. If he feels he's being given an ultimatum by someone he feels has nothing to offer in return, he may well just thumb his nose at that person.

Would HHH really try to get involved with inducting Macho given all the rumours swirling around his wife and Vince? I can't remember what shoot interview I was watching, but the former wwe star recalled a story riding in a limo with Vince, Stephanie and her new husband HHH. It was a bizarre story, he said he was uncomfortable with Stephanie sitting on her dads lap cuddling and both them would not even acknowledge HHH. Again, this story could of been exaggerated a bit from the guy telling it.

 

[chuckmdubya]

Well, if the family thing is true, you can't blame Vince for not wanting to induct 'the Genius" into the hall. I've heard the same about Stephanie and Savage before too. That one seems more realistic. It would be hard to believe that after his death, the family would not allow him to be inducted. I would think that at least after his death, the family would be happy for him to go in, even without his Dad and Genius bro.
With WWE its always possible that things are happening behind the scenes, Vince and his guys are better at keeping secrets than Apple is.

 

[Darkshadow1234]

Would HHH really try to get involved with inducting Macho given all the rumours swirling around his wife and Vince? I can't remember what shoot interview I was watching, but the former wwe star recalled a story riding in a limo with Vince, Stephanie and her new husband HHH. It was a bizarre story, he said he was uncomfortable with Stephanie sitting on her dads lap cuddling and both them would not even acknowledge HHH. Again, this story could of been exaggerated a bit from the guy telling it.

I know what interview your talking about. It was a former writer of WWE, that he says the love between hhh and stephanie is a work. The story goes around that vince actually secretly loves his daughter. Which i could believe. Even kevin nash has stated he doubts hhh really loves stephaine.

http://www.examiner.com/article/former-wwe-writer-calls-triple-h-s-love-for-stephanie-mcmahon-a-work

 

[Navi]

I know what interview your talking about. It was a former writer of WWE, that he says the love between hhh and stephanie is a work. The story goes around that vince actually secretly loves his daughter. Which i could believe. Even kevin nash has stated he doubts hhh really loves stephaine.

http://www.examiner.com/article/former-wwe-writer-calls-triple-h-s-love-for-stephanie-mcmahon-a-work

I would believe Savage's brother before I believed anything Kevin Nash says. Why Savage isn't in the Hall of Fame, the reasons have been put forth on this thread already. it's up to you which one you want to believe or find more credible.

There is the rumour that he had sex with Stephanie McMahon. Did that happen, only two people know for sure, one is dead and the other isn't talking. The other is that he wanted his father and brother inducted with him. Vince apparently said no to that, and that's why he's not in there. Which sounds a little more reasonable to me. Maybe it was the only way he could get both his father and brother in.

If Lanny Poffo has given his permission to put his brother in, then I think they should go ahead and do it. If Poffo's not there then he looks like a douche and it's his loss really. I'm sure that there are a lot of former wrestlers who would love to induct Savage. He's a huge name in this business and it's a sin his name hasn't been included yet.

 

[Darkshadow1234]

I would believe Savage's brother before I believed anything Kevin Nash says. Why Savage isn't in the Hall of Fame, the reasons have been put forth on this thread already. it's up to you which one you want to believe or find more credible.

There is the rumour that he had sex with Stephanie McMahon. Did that happen, only two people know for sure, one is dead and the other isn't talking. The other is that he wanted his father and brother inducted with him. Vince apparently said no to that, and that's why he's not in there. Which sounds a little more reasonable to me. Maybe it was the only way he could get both his father and brother in.

If Lanny Poffo has given his permission to put his brother in, then I think they should go ahead and do it. If Poffo's not there then he looks like a douche and it's his loss really. I'm sure that there are a lot of former wrestlers who would love to induct Savage. He's a huge name in this business and it's a sin his name hasn't been included yet.

I see your point. Kevin nash knows alot about hhh than Lanny that was the point I was making. Kevin nash and HHH are close. I don't like nash, I think some of the things he say are stupid. But a few things I agree with.
I was talking about HHH and stephaine, not randy savage.

Randy deserves a hof induction.
Great wrestler

 

[Starkiller]

You never know with vince. No one obviously is allowed to talk about macho man let alone what he did with an underage Stephanie.

I read recently from a former wwe official that there are a set a rules that are mandatory when working for wwe. Some were stupid like, you are not allowed to "yawn" around Vince. You are not allowed to talk about American Bad Ass character since Vince holds a special place for the undertaker character, and not talking about something kind of means it never happened.


So if that's the case we will never really know the real reason why.

 

[Pedigree1]

If in fact this all started with Savage wanting to sleep with steph or did or whenever she became legal,steph and Vince are the only one that knows all the facts on that case..

No one can argue at all the impact that Savage had on the business.. He made everything look smooth and flawless.. A very gifted performer one of the best WWE champions and IC champions of all time. But if it was his wish to go in with his family then Lenny cannot go against his wishes..

Does Randy belong in the HOF? Absolutely he does no denying that one.. But will he get in is another question. No one wants to see the Genius get in,but if him and his father are the only way that Randy gets in,so be it i guess..

I think a lot of egos and bridges get smoothed over once Trips finally takes over... Vince has indeed mellowed old age will do that to you.. like JH said,he got the ball rolling with Bruno and Warrior two guys we thought would never get in

 

[LBGetBack]

Mach always wanted to go into the Hall with his brother and his father but Vince Mcmahon would not have it. He had reached out to Savage a few times for the HOF but Randy always refused because, again, if his father and brother couldn't go in with him, than he didn't want to go in at all. It was sort of a no win situation. Nowadays, I believe the WWE has approached Savages brother, but his brother has refused because he doesn't want to go against Savages wishes. It's a real screwed up story.

Then Vince should've just put the family in. Who cares? It's not like it's a real hall of fame. Koko B Ware is in. Heck, Pete Rose is in. It's a shame that he didn't go in. It may still happen, but obviously doesn't mean much now that Randy is dead. Would've been great to give him and his family a moment. He certainly earned it, and the fans would've loved to see it.

 

[OYDK]

Well, now it seems he's being "discussed" as the headliner of the 2015 class. Based on some really loose crap from the main page though, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Starkiller]

Well, the more and more I think about it. I don't think vince would hold such a grudge over macho man and then after he passed, his family, so upset about not getting inducted.

And I don't think macho man while he was alive cared so much that he would only accept if his family got inducted.

Let's really think about this. Yes, it's a great honor, who wouldn't like their work to be Honored at a big ceremony? But it's not a real sports hall of fame. It's a sports entertainment hall of fame. It's one those hall of fames that you could be well known the greatest ever and somehow not be inducted or even mentioned about it.

Let that sink in.


I'm gonna believe it's something deeper and more personal then "oh they had a dispute about who gets to get inducted in"

 

[LBGetBack]

Well, the more and more I think about it. I don't think vince would hold such a grudge over macho man and then after he passed, his family, so upset about not getting inducted.

And I don't think macho man while he was alive cared so much that he would only accept if his family got inducted.

Let's really think about this. Yes, it's a great honor, who wouldn't like their work to be Honored at a big ceremony? But it's not a real sports hall of fame. It's a sports entertainment hall of fame. It's one those hall of fames that you could be well known the greatest ever and somehow not be inducted or even mentioned about it.

Let that sink in.


I'm gonna believe it's something deeper and more personal then "oh they had a dispute about who gets to get inducted in"

I would tend to agree. Obviously we've all heard the Stephanie rumors(which I personally find far-fetched and hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that Savage would do that to Vince. He could get any ass he wanted, he would have no reason to be going for Vince's YOUNG daughter. Not to mention, there's this thing called the law. Does anyone think Vince wouldn't have went to the police if this actually happened? I would think he would go after Savage much harder if that actually had happened. Anyway, I haven't seen the other more realistic things in here.

A few things.....

1)Macho Man was on the December 1994 cover of WWF Magazine. He was long gone from WWF by that point. That clearly says that Vince was NOT expecting Savage to leave when his contract expired in the fall of 1994 if he had him slated for the Dec. 1994 cover.

2) Vince gave an emotional and heartfelt sendoff to Macho Man on Monday Night Raw, after the news broke that he was gone. So the bad feelings were not there immediately after he left.

3) The Slim Jim story. Slim Jim ads were HUGE on WWF programming in the early 90's, with Savage starring in them. When Savage went to WCW, the ads went with him, airing during WCW shows now and costing Vince a major advertiser and lot of $.

4) By spring 1996, whatever good feelings that had previously been there were obviously gone. WWF was airing those "Nacho Man and the Huckster" segments, making fun of the "old" Savage and Hogan and old WCW talent. Whether this was just Vince feeling the heat of the battle of the Monday Night Wars and trying to position his company as the younger and hipper product, or legit animosity, or a bit of both.....who knows?

 

[Starkiller]

I would tend to agree. Obviously we've all heard the Stephanie rumors(which I personally find far-fetched and hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that Savage would do that to Vince. He could get any ass he wanted, he would have no reason to be going for Vince's YOUNG daughter. Not to mention, there's this thing called the law. Does anyone think Vince wouldn't have went to the police if this actually happened? I would think he would go after Savage much harder if that actually had happened. Anyway, I haven't seen the other more realistic things in here.

A few things.....

1)Macho Man was on the December 1994 cover of WWF Magazine. He was long gone from WWF by that point. That clearly says that Vince was NOT expecting Savage to leave when his contract expired in the fall of 1994 if he had him slated for the Dec. 1994 cover.

2) Vince gave an emotional and heartfelt sendoff to Macho Man on Monday Night Raw, after the news broke that he was gone. So the bad feelings were not there immediately after he left.

3) The Slim Jim story. Slim Jim ads were HUGE on WWF programming in the early 90's, with Savage starring in them. When Savage went to WCW, the ads went with him, airing during WCW shows now and costing Vince a major advertiser and lot of $.

4) By spring 1996, whatever good feelings that had previously been there were obviously gone. WWF was airing those "Nacho Man and the Huckster" segments, making fun of the "old" Savage and Hogan and old WCW talent. Whether this was just Vince feeling the heat of the battle of the Monday Night Wars and trying to position his company as the younger and hipper product, or legit animosity, or a bit of both.....who knows?

Well, hearing the things you are not allowed to do around Vince mcmahon it wouldn't surprise me. So, obviously he wouldn't go to the police, as it would be confirmed and be even more humiliating to him, who Probably has the biggest EGO.

The points you bring up make sense, but I just see those as business decisions. Ultimate Warrior, actually screwed Vince by threatening to walk out of a show, and over the years both attacked each other in media. And warrior is in the HOF. like you said, it was evident all was fine and they even did the whole raw send off when machin was leaving, so vince had to of known a sponsor or 2 may leave as well. I just don't see a little business move that both parties were involved be the reason why after all these years they don't even mention or talk about a macho man hall of fame.

Out of all the superstars, macho should of been in long ago, like probably the year after Hogan went in.

 

[Navi]

Well, the more and more I think about it. I don't think vince would hold such a grudge over macho man and then after he passed, his family, so upset about not getting inducted.

And I don't think macho man while he was alive cared so much that he would only accept if his family got inducted.

Let's really think about this. Yes, it's a great honor, who wouldn't like their work to be Honored at a big ceremony? But it's not a real sports hall of fame. It's a sports entertainment hall of fame. It's one those hall of fames that you could be well known the greatest ever and somehow not be inducted or even mentioned about it.

Let that sink in.

I'm gonna believe it's something deeper and more personal then "oh they had a dispute about who gets to get inducted in"

Even though it's not a real Hall of Fame like the Hockey Hall of Fame here in Toronto or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, it's still an honour to be inducted into it. I'll bet if you asked any of the wrestlers who are in there, they would tell you the same thing. Some of the speeches are very emotional and most seem to come straight from the heart. It's a way for the current WWE roster and the fans, to celebrate their hero's and those that came before them.

Whatever story is true, or it might be a little bit of part A and a little bit of part B, it remains, he should be in there. And I think if he was still alive he would be. No one expected him to die so young, it's a shame all the way round.

 

[FromGlasgow]

I think he will be in the hall of fame at some point, Theres been loads of wrestlers the past few years who would I would never have expected to go into the hall of fame like Bruno Sammartino, Bret Hart, Jesse Ventura and Ultimate Warrior for example due to their history or personal feelings towards the WWE I think more so than Randy Savage but they all did and don't think Randy Savage will be an exception, My guess is they try and keep some surprise entrants for it to keep people talking rather than inducting all the big names at once.

 

[Ultimate Randy Savage Fan]

I really hope Macho takes his rightful place in the 2015 HOF...not just cause its way overdue but as a way of showing & aknowledging just how big of a star he was & the impact he had on the wrestling industry to the younger generation ...so they can go back & look at some of his truly ledgendary matches, fueds & promos (especially now with the WWE network) and realise that he is easily in the same league as Hogan, Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, Austin, The Rock & Undertaker

 

[Daggdag]

Read something about this. Apparently Randy Savage left the WWE on very good terms with Vince Mcmahon. Savage didn't agree with the way WWE was using him and decided to go to a place that was going to actually let him wrestle. Mcmahon was upset because he and Savage were very close, but understood Macho Man's decision.

Apparently, after Savage left the Fed, Vince found something out about Randy that really pissed him off. Many people think that it had to do with "inappropriate relations" between Savage and Stephanie while others think that something else happened between the two. For the record, nobody has outright denied the Randy Savage/Stephanie claim, not even Stephanie herself... All I know is that Vince Mcmahon found SOMETHING about Savage that led to him banning the Macho Man's name from ever being spoken in the back again.

I recall watching a few Raw episodes back in the day where Vince would describe Randy Savage as "undoubtedly a future WWF Hall of Famer." Vince was ultimately able to rekindle his friendship with people like Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior but stayed furious with Savage until the day he died. It's a shame we'll never know the TRUE reason as to why Randy Savage is not yet in the HOF.

To answer your question, the decision is most definitely a personal one on Vinny Mac's part.

I doubt not liking the guy would prevent Vince from exploiting his death to play off of the fans emotions for money and ratings.

Perhaps his wife is keeping him out. He always said if he were inducted, he wanted his father inducted too. His wife maybe holding to that, and not allowing WWE to induct him unless they induct his father too.