Let's set the record straight on Sting

[CharlesKane]

1. The WCW loyalist (sort of) - As far as where he worked, it's true he was with WCW from his initial signing until the doors were closed, he's not the only major star to work at WCW that never went WWF.

After being trained by Wild Samoans Afa and Sika, Billy Kidman was signed by WCW in 1996 and was with the company until the shutdown, joining WWF as part of the WCW invasion.
Sometimes it was guys who careers were unfortunately shortened (Magnum TA) or guys who chose to stay and finish their careers at NWA/WCW (Nikita Koloff) or guys that bounced between NJPW AND WCW (Muta, Abdullah). Sting himself bounced between WCW and short stints in NJPW.

But in Kayfabe story telling, he wasn't even a WCW guy his whole career, jumping ship to NWO Wolfpac until an injury later returning as WCW Sting.

2. Sting vs Undertaker Once in a lifetime - Undertaker wasn't always in the WWF. Before he was the Undertaker, he wrestled in WCW as Mean Mark Callous. In one of his last matches before jumping to WWF and debuting as The Undertaker, Mean Mark squared off against then NWA heavyweight champion Sting in what was considered a disaster of a match. So if you want your once in a lifetime match up set your DeLorean for Sept of 1990 because you are 25 years too late.

Lost a paragraph on DDP, somehow who after being signed by WCW in 1991 spent over a decade as a loyal wcw guy only to join WWF after the shutdown, and Booker T, another guy who put in a de Co rated decade before the shutdown.

 

[FlairFan2003]

1. The WCW loyalist (sort of) - As far as where he worked, it's true he was with WCW from his initial signing until the doors were closed, he's not the only major star to work at WCW that never went WWF.

After being trained by Wild Samoans Afa and Sika, Billy Kidman was signed by WCW in 1996 and was with the company until the shutdown, joining WWF as part of the WCW invasion.
Sometimes it was guys who careers were unfortunately shortened (Magnum TA) or guys who chose to stay and finish their careers at NWA/WCW (Nikita Koloff) or guys that bounced between NJPW AND WCW (Muta, Abdullah). Sting himself bounced between WCW and short stints in NJPW.

But in Kayfabe story telling, he wasn't even a WCW guy his whole career, jumping ship to NWO Wolfpac until an injury later returning as WCW Sting.

2. Sting vs Undertaker Once in a lifetime - Undertaker wasn't always in the WWF. Before he was the Undertaker, he wrestled in WCW as Mean Mark Callous. In one of his last matches before jumping to WWF and debuting as The Undertaker, Mean Mark squared off against then NWA heavyweight champion Sting in what was considered a disaster of a match. So if you want your once in a lifetime match up set your DeLorean for Sept of 1990 because you are 25 years too late.

The idea with Sting is that he was the last guy from the Monday Night Wars era who didn't switch between feds .... Guys like Austin, HHH, Nash, Foley all got their first (in Austin's case 2nd) big break in WCW before landing in WWE (and in Nash case returning to WCW). Scott Hall was in the AWA (with Curt Hennning) before he took his Diamond Stud gimmick from WCW and made it Razor Ramoan in WWE. Flair & Luger both jumped ship as did the Road Warriors, HBK was AWA before WWE, Jeff Jarrett and Sid were USWA, WCW & WWE on a rotating basis. DDP actually appeared in WWE before he was wrestling in WCW, although briefly, and later jumped ship. Hogan & Brett Hart jumped back & forth, Arn Anderson had wrestled for both....the list goes on.

The idea was never that Sting was the only one ever in wrestling history to never go WWE at least for a bit....certainly in the 70s and 80s when it wasn't Ted Turner owned WCW but the independent coalition of promotions held together and run by Jim Crockett Jr as the NWA there were major stars who jumped (Rick Rude, Barry Whyndam, Greg Valentine, Piper, Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes, Tully Blanchard, Terry Funk, etc) but it was more likely to have guys who stayed in one place longer and never left. Of course, during the territory days guys often took extra work and pay on their scheduled time off by appearing in other promotions....Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund both wrestled on NWA cards (check out title vs title Backlund-Flair from Atlanta in 1982 I believe if you can find it, great stuff), Ric Flair wrestled multiple times for WWE in the late 70s, as did Dusty Rhodes who was full time for a bit.

In fact, you leave out the fact that Sting started his career in the UWF alongside Dr Death Steve Williams, The Freebirds, Terry Taylor, etc....and his partner during that run was The Ultimate Warrior!

I don't think anyone ever promoted Sting as the only WCW star to never wrestled in WWE (although Billy Kidman is not someone I consider a star) he was promoted as the one major WCW star of The Monday Night Wars era who never jumped ship (along with Taker who from 1991 on was WWE for life, like Sting was 1987 on for the NWA-WCW).....so many other guys either bounced back & forth or had at least one major run in both companies yet those two settled in very early on and never strayed. Sting is special in that regard.

Also, when Sting was affiliated with New Japan it was when NJ had a working agreement with WCW that included talent sharing....that was like WWE wrestlers appearing in Smokey Mountain Wrestling circa 1997 or when WWE bought ECW and ran it as it's own brand in the mid 2000s, they really weren't leaving WWE to wrestle there.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Seriously. What the fuck is up with people who seem to think they have discovered some unseen corner of the internet? Nothing you've posted here is groundbreaking or even interesting, it's shit that anyone who regularly posts on a wrestling forum already knows.

 

[thestud77]

1. The WCW loyalist (sort of) - As far as where he worked, it's true he was with WCW from his initial signing until the doors were closed, he's not the only major star to work at WCW that never went WWF.

After being trained by Wild Samoans Afa and Sika, Billy Kidman was signed by WCW in 1996 and was with the company until the shutdown, joining WWF as part of the WCW invasion.
Sometimes it was guys who careers were unfortunately shortened (Magnum TA) or guys who chose to stay and finish their careers at NWA/WCW (Nikita Koloff) or guys that bounced between NJPW AND WCW (Muta, Abdullah). Sting himself bounced between WCW and short stints in NJPW.

But in Kayfabe story telling, he wasn't even a WCW guy his whole career, jumping ship to NWO Wolfpac until an injury later returning as WCW Sting.

2. Sting vs Undertaker Once in a lifetime - Undertaker wasn't always in the WWF. Before he was the Undertaker, he wrestled in WCW as Mean Mark Callous. In one of his last matches before jumping to WWF and debuting as The Undertaker, Mean Mark squared off against then NWA heavyweight champion Sting in what was considered a disaster of a match. So if you want your once in a lifetime match up set your DeLorean for Sept of 1990 because you are 25 years too late.

Wow, you truly are a huge moron. It just irks you and the rest of the internet wrestling community virgins that Sting is getting huge pops and great reactions when you all said that nobody would remember him. Even the younger fans that are not familiar with Sting are getting behind his character. Sting vs Undertaker would be the biggest match in wrestling history and it ain't got a damn thing to do with work rate. You think any of Daniel Bryans or Dolph Zigglers matches compare to Hogan vs Andre or Hogan vs Warrior? No because at the end of the day pro wrestling is fake and the only thing that matters is the story told and there is no bigger story to tell than Undertaker vs Sting regardless who wins. Also, don't be bitter that Sting can get a better reaction with a headlock than Mick Foley can get jumping off a 50 foot cage.

 

[CharlesKane]

I'll grant the one extremely minor appearance of DDP at which point the WWE/WWF passed on him, but after that from his signing through the rest of his WCW career, he was a guy who never jumped Feds. Booker T of course another world champion and was as loyal as sting. The only difference being DDP and Booker T had their contracts bought by WWE and Sting refused to negotiate a new deal instead opting to collect on his Turner contract and then joining TNA. I really don't understand the bonus points for joining TNA instead of resuming his career with the leading professional wrestling company in the world. It is not as if he made TNA into a viable contender to WWE.

Kidman as a star could be debatable, but over his career he ended up a 7 time cruiserweight/light heavyweight champion, 4 time tag team champion and was incredibly over (more than enough for Hall of Fame consideration). One of the top ten cruiserweight of all time which is remarkable considering the top 5 all went on to be heavyweight champions (Jericho, Mysterio, Benoit, Eddie and Jeff Hardy) after that I would put Kidman, Shane Helms and Chavo.

 

[CharlesKane]

I don't have the slightest problem with Sting, but I certainly do get tired of the same ridiculous crap being posted over and over again as fact by people with no appreciation for wrestling history.

Tell me 1 point where I knocked Sting or even said a derogatory thing about him. Do
I want to see Sting vs Undertaker, no I don't because think what you want but I SAW IT THE FIRST DAMN TIME. I don't need the Internet for anything I posted that is probably why I forgot to include DDP ' S pre wcw WWF appearance.

 

[CharlesKane]

Wow, you truly are a huge moron. It just irks you and the rest of the internet wrestling community virgins that Sting is getting huge pops and great reactions when you all said that nobody would remember him. Even the younger fans that are not familiar with Sting are getting behind his character. Sting vs Undertaker would be the biggest match in wrestling history and it ain't got a damn thing to do with work rate. You think any of Daniel Bryans or Dolph Zigglers matches compare to Hogan vs Andre or Hogan vs Warrior? No because at the end of the day pro wrestling is fake and the only thing that matters is the story told and there is no bigger story to tell than Undertaker vs Sting regardless who wins. Also, don't be bitter that Sting can get a better reaction with a headlock than Mick Foley can get jumping off a 50 foot cage.

You can't hold a civil conversation without launching into insults and assumptions. You don't know me from the next guy on the street but presume to know my opinion on everything. Yeah clearly I am the moron.

I've been a wrestling fan my entire life well over 40 years, have attended shows all over the country from gymnasiums to MSG. I have a deep love for professional wrestling and have never once put Bryan or Ziggler on a level with the Rock much less Hogan Andre or Flair.

I shared some info for people who clearly think wrestling didn't exist before Cena, much less the Monday night wars. If that doesn't apply to you fine, move on, but really your response just makes you look like an irrational dick

 

[HeyYo]

You're funny! The biggest match in history? Not even close, buddy.

 

[conici]

I'm sorry but what the fuck is the point in this? It's not like any of us don't already know about Stings career.

Just really confused as to why the fuck you thought this was necessary, do you think we all just heard of Sting and we need a history lesson?

Great job, you can use Wikipedia; but really, this is a pointless thread that doesn't share any light on Sting and can literally be found out with one Google Search.

Stop playing Mr. Wrestling Historian. It's not sticking

 

[Navi]

Even though I've been a wrestling fans for years and years, i didn't know that about Sting, but then again it's probably because I don't really care that much.

Wrestling history isn't one of my big things, just watch to be entertained, and don't care what happened years ago. I like to live in the here are now and when I have to think to much about it I lose interest.

Sting being in the WWE right now is good enough for me, and I do hope he takes on the Undertaker next year.

 

[SoulTrain4]

I can't believe there are still people who feel the need to debunk television storylines.

Where were you assholes when I believed Ric Flair really banged Liz? Where were you guys when I believed Hunter Hearst Helmsley was a real Connecticut blue blood?

How could I have ever watched a minute of this stuff without it being fact checked?

Thank you so much!

Sting worked for other promotions so I guess we can cancel the WM match then.

 

[rge2010]

Face facts Sting vs The Undertaker has never happened and your smarky nature won't convince me otherwise. Undertaker was NEVER in WCW. Mark Callous was but the Taker wasn't.

Sting vs Taker is one of the dream matches still waiting to happen and it will almost certainly happen at Wrestlemania 32 if the rumours are to be believed.

I just need to see Cena vs Hogan, Austin vs Goldberg and Rock vs HBK and I can die peacefully.

 

[CharlesKane]

I'm sorry but what the fuck is the point in this? It's not like any of us don't already know about Stings career.

Just really confused as to why the fuck you thought this was necessary, do you think we all just heard of Sting and we need a history lesson?

Great job, you can use Wikipedia; but really, this is a pointless thread that doesn't share any light on Sting and can literally be found out with one Google Search.

Stop playing Mr. Wrestling Historian. It's not sticking

I shared some info for people who clearly think wrestling didn't exist before Cena, much less the Monday night wars. If that doesn't apply to you fine, move on, but really your response just makes you look like an irrational dick

 

[CharlesKane]

Why don't you try looking around the forums and you'll see people posting WWE 'S retconning of history as fact. You can flame me all you want, I don't give a fuck about your opinion. But how sad is your life if you have to attack someone as opposed to just moving along your own merry way?

Faceless keyboard warriors that nobody cares about passed off because someone posted something they didn't want to read. So don't read it and fuck off, it's not that hard, but then what else would you d o with your sad little lives.

 

[conici]

I shared some info for people who clearly think wrestling didn't exist before Cena, much less the Monday night wars. If that doesn't apply to you fine, move on, but really your response just makes you look like an irrational dick

This is Wrestlezone forums not WWE's Facebook comment section, most people here have a pretty sound knowledge of wrestling thus we are on a wrestling forum to discuss wrestling.

 

[Kidpolean]

1. The WCW loyalist (sort of) - As far as where he worked, it's true he was with WCW from his initial signing until the doors were closed, he's not the only major star to work at WCW that never went WWF.

After being trained by Wild Samoans Afa and Sika, Billy Kidman was signed by WCW in 1996 and was with the company until the shutdown, joining WWF as part of the WCW invasion.
Sometimes it was guys who careers were unfortunately shortened (Magnum TA) or guys who chose to stay and finish their careers at NWA/WCW (Nikita Koloff) or guys that bounced between NJPW AND WCW (Muta, Abdullah). Sting himself bounced between WCW and short stints in NJPW.

But in Kayfabe story telling, he wasn't even a WCW guy his whole career, jumping ship to NWO Wolfpac until an injury later returning as WCW Sting.

2. Sting vs Undertaker Once in a lifetime - Undertaker wasn't always in the WWF. Before he was the Undertaker, he wrestled in WCW as Mean Mark Callous. In one of his last matches before jumping to WWF and debuting as The Undertaker, Mean Mark squared off against then NWA heavyweight champion Sting in what was considered a disaster of a match. So if you want your once in a lifetime match up set your DeLorean for Sept of 1990 because you are 25 years too late.

Lost a paragraph on DDP, somehow who after being signed by WCW in 1991 spent over a decade as a loyal wcw guy only to join WWF after the shutdown, and Booker T, another guy who put in a de Co rated decade before the shutdown.

This is one of the dumbest post of all time

First off..NO Sting hasn't ever faced the Undertaker because those are two characters on a show and it is a fact that they have never had a match against each other. Secondly, Do you really think that a match 25 years ago would in any way resemble the match that these two would put on now? Taker has a completely different moveset and so does Sting, the story would be completely different, plus they have 25 more years of experience.

I would comment on the rest of your post but I have no clue what you were even talking about. Billy Kidman??? Who the f**k cares?

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

The OP is the definition of why Kayfabe is dead and LONG gone.
LOL @ Mean Mark Calloway.

 

[CharlesKane]

This is one of the dumbest post of all time

First off..NO Sting hasn't ever faced the Undertaker because those are two characters on a show and it is a fact that they have never had a match against each other. Secondly, Do you really think that a match 25 years ago would in any way resemble the match that these two would put on now? Taker has a completely different moveset and so does Sting, the story would be completely different, plus they have 25 more years of experience.

I would comment on the rest of your post but I have no clue what you were even talking about. Billy Kidman??? Who the f**k cares?

Congratulations on continuing to prove the ridiculousness of Internet culture. You respond to FACTS with insults. You are yet another sad little keyboard warrior.

Do I think Sting and Taker would have the same match today as they did 25 years ago, no IT WOULD BE WORSE. Both guys are shells of their former selves, but hang on to your nostalgia, because clearly you have nothing else going for you.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

This has devolved into nothing more than childish name calling. Closed.