Lesnar isn't ready, he needs to go.

[punchline]

I did a search and didn't find any threads about this. If I'm mistaken, feel free to merge or delete.

Watching Extreme Rules yesterday, one thing became abundantly clear; Brock Lesnar isn't ready to be back. I guess he still hasn't made the transition from real fighting back to fake fighting yet, because he was completely unsafe last night.

I don't know if anyone else heard or saw this, But when he first put Cena in the Kimora, the camera crew accidentally picked up Cena on mic telling Lesnar to ease up. Throughout the rest of the match, anytime Lesnar used a submission, Cena could be seen still mouthing these words. Add to the the obviously stiff blows during the match, including the vicious elbows that busted Cena open early on, and it's clear that Brock still has alot of training to do to get back into ring shape. I mean, Vince can't be pleased that Cena's arm was legitimately injured (though luckily not too severely). We know Cena isn't the best worker, but Brock Lesnar was just Goldberg levels of unsafe tonight.

So what do you guys think? I know they paid him alot of money for the year and they need to make the most of it, so he shouldn't be taken off T.V. But do you think Lesnar needs a bit more work before he wrestles again?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I think you assume you know more than you do and don't give the talent, directors and camera crew enough credit to tell the story they want to tell as opposed to the story you expect them to tell.

You also seem to forget that Brock isn't new to this business.

 

[bluejt16]

The only move that seemed to be dangerous in that match was when Lesnar jumped off the steps on to Cena and got caught on the ropes and fell to the floor. I thought Lesnar was knocked out when that one happened. As for the rest of the match. I think WWE wanted to make that "fight" as legitimate as possible, that's why there was a lot of blood and a buster arm.


As you've seen from The Rock at Mania, no matter how long your away you can never really lose it.

 

[punchline]

Did you two watch the match? I mean that as a legit question, not meaning to be an ass. Again, you saw and heard Cena several times telling Lesnar to ease up. I know Lesnar isn't new to the product. But go back and read some interviews and watch his matches from his first run. He's always been known to be way too stiff in the ring. I'm not trying to act like i know more than i do, just going off of what we saw, and the actual reports that Lesnar injured Cenas arm with the Kimora. I get that this was supposed to be a bitter match that came out looking harsh. However most online reports at this moment seem to agree that Lesnar wasn't able to hold himself back too well during the match.

 

[grantedisme]

Did you two watch the match? I mean that as a legit question, not meaning to be an ass. Again, you saw and heard Cena several times telling Lesnar to ease up. I know Lesnar isn't new to the product. But go back and read some interviews and watch his matches from his first run. He's always been known to be way too stiff in the ring. I'm not trying to act like i know more than i do, just going off of what we saw, and the actual reports that Lesnar injured Cenas arm with the Kimora. I get that this was supposed to be a bitter match that came out looking harsh. However most online reports at this moment seem to agree that Lesnar wasn't able to hold himself back too well during the match.

I watched the match, and I didn't see Cena telling Lesnar to ease up. After seeing some of the replays, I might understand why he would, though. Those elbows looked intense, and Cena seemed busted open in the hard way. I have to admit, I stopped watching wrestling for the most part while Lesnar was hitting his stride (though I have seen matches and promos on youtube), so I wasn't aware of his "stiff" reputation.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that Cena's arm wasn't injured with the Kimora. As mentioned in several other threads, it wasn't ever really held properly, which eased the pressure on Cena's arm, and honestly, I don't think WWE.com would report it this quickly with such specific details if it were legitimate. That would be basically be building Lesnar's reputation as a badass while selling him out as an unsafe worker, neither of which I believe the people running WWE would want to happen in this manner.

Cena was already scheduled to take time off, and he basically admitted at the end of the match that this was the case. While it's certainly a possibility that he could have legitimately messed up his arm in the match, I think it would be jumping the gun to assume anything is fact based on a WWE.com article/report.

 

[Shotaro]

Lesnar barely knew what he was doing in the first place. He's as ready as he was way back when, he's a stiff worker. Too stiff IMO, the thing that struck me most during the match was how often Brock didn't use wrestling strikes. Twice now Lesnar has hardwayed Cena with a shot that wasn't thrown properly for a wrestling ring. Whether it was deliberate or not is another question, but if it wasn't then I would imagine Lesnar getting a bit of a bollocking backstage.

Also as others have said, he didn't get any submissions on legit. Cena's elbow was facing the wrong direction for the arm bar they used (Kimara? kimura?)

 

[GameOver]

Think it just sais one thing, i agree that lesnar did seem to be taking too many liberties as far as the strikes were concerned but like others said i didn't see Cena making any motions to the ref or anything for him to ease up

Obviously they wouldn't put him out there if he was really putting someone's life at risk, they could be sued if that was the case. Cena may not be the best "wrestler" but look at his track record, he certainly aint afraid to get hurt. They are pushing legit and what better way to push legit then 2 guys busting each other open while still pulling off controlled moves aswell, so it comes down to the person obviously everyone on the roster wont be willing to goto those "extremes" to use a pun but Punk, Bryan, Sheamus, Cena, Jericho have proven they are willing to go that extra mile.

Lastly the whole purpose of Cena's recent trials and trbulations IMO was to rise up against hate and bullying and what did he do? he "barely" survived Nexus, He barely survived Kane, he was mocked and looked the fool against The Rock and when it looked it darkest, the guy who was the biggest bully of the trial Cena managed to overcome it. In every situation he was the target of bullying and through grit and determination he overcame it, except for The Rock

 

[ABMorales787]

Congrats. You discovered wrestlers talk to each other during matches. They ALL tell each other to "ease up" You think a wrestler can somehow apply a submission maneuver and guess that it's not putting unnecessary pressure? They're wrestlers, not psychics. And yeah, given the build-up Lesnar's aggressive performance was part of the act. It's called "shoot" and it's done to blur the line between real and fake to spark new interest. You somehow pulled "Lesnar is unsafe" out of it.

 

[DeathClutch]

The only thing Lesnar needs to do is drop the MMA persona completely. The shorts, gloves, the style he wrestled last night didn’t feel like it fits WWE’s mould. When Cena was busted open 20 seconds into the match last night had that have been MMA the bout they would have probably been stopped the bout and allowed the doctors to check up on Cena, without looking like they’re hijacking the match to clean him up and if deemed necessary the match would have been stopped.

If WWE wants to legitimize their product they need to have it structured that if someone gets busted open STOP the match and get the wrestler to go to the corner and get cleaned up if the cut is that bad END THE MATCH, and promote the rematch like it's the biggest thing since the moon landing at the following PPV, make it look real.

 

[keehlnate]

If Cena's arm is hurt during the Kimura lock, why and how the hell did he slam a 260+ lb Lesnar with one hand and with the (so-called) kimura? If he injured himself, it is not Lesnar's fault because it is alright before he lifted Lesnar.

You think that injury is legit? Well you should because this is PEOPLE POWER

 

[solidsnake]

i probably think they are just giving enough material saying that brock caused the injury 1 to build him as the real badass and legitimate wretler in the wwe just like mr laringitis said, and 2 to give a lot of spice to cenas return from his vacation to immediately go back to where he left as in the feud with brock lesnar...
we all know that lesnar has a thin schedule with the wwe so this might be a good way to help save for some major dates for wwe to build fufture sturylines with brock actually being present on raw or ppvs....just what i think could be the case

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I dont think thats true... A kimura is a dangerous submission for sure but lesnar had not locked it in at any point. During the first kimura cena's arm was straight. That way the kimura has no effect and the second time the kimura was not locked in. For a kimura to be locked in the arm is all the way being bent towards the back o which with cena it didnt. the kimuar is a submission where to injure it needs to be fully locked in. It cant injure if its 90 % or even 95% locked in. Only complete locking in can it injure. I speak from experience btw. 4 wins 1 loss amateur mma . So if cena has a torn rotator it certainly wasnt because of the kimura.

It's from an expert. He'll shit your fuck, forum style.




Anyway, this is a very stupid notion. The same WWE that sent out a memo before Mania, that all workers will ease up going against Cena would not call Brock privately, whisper in his ear "Fuck'em up Brock, Fuck'em up tehehehe!"



He needed some time to heal his shoulder. HE SAID IT AFTER THE FUCKING SHOW!.



Hey remember gimmicks? Remember how Cena has this Superman gimmick where he takes beating from everybody and still manages to win. No? Don't remember?

Ok remember how Brock was in UFC, and came in saying he is an asskicker and shit? How its his angle to portray a REAL fighter? Ring any bells? No?






Use some sense here. It isn't the non-spam (wish it was), and Brock and Cena did what they had to do.

 

[sxeholmes]

My prediction before the match even happened was for Brock to really rough up Cena and to win and Cena would take time off to sell the injuries, Cena ended up winning instead, but the same plans happened. Brock roughed him up, Cena's taking some time off, they wanted it to look legit.

WWE knew what they signed up for when they signed Lesnar back. Lesnar has always been stiff, and he doesn't know how to pull punches well, but WWE seems to be okay with that, well at least for now. We'll see what happens tonight to find out whether they're mad at Lesnar or not, but I don't think the arm injury is legit. The fact that WWE announced it right away, and that Cena made his speech about it, it all seems phony to me. I think Lesnar's ready, he needs a little more work on getting back into the groove of the match, but he's ready.

 

[cmjericho]

Did you just say we all know Cena isnt the best worker? Thats pretty much false right there. Also they are trying to make this fued seem "real" and "legitimate" im sure Cena agreed to let him get a few elbows in to make it look real. Similar to when Big Show allowed Flloyd Mayweather hit him a few times to make it seem more real. And another reason I think those elbows were on purpose it because he was hitting him on the side the exact same spot that he BLADED. Yes I said Bladed. Im begging you go back and watch the match again. Right at the start Lesner tackles him and gives him the elbows. Cena gets up and Lesner clothslines him down and Cena rolls towards the ropes. Cena reaches for his left arm band and the camera cuts then cuts back to him bleeding. Right at the start of the match. See for yourself

 

[cmjericho]

Just another note whenever people accidentally busted their head open in a match the announcers do not say a thing about it. I think back to Kane i think it was maybe a year ago cut the top of his head open he was clearly bleeding the entire match and nothing was mentioned. But tonight the commentators made it a point to remind us over and over how busted open Cena was. Just sayin

 

[cmjericho]

Vince would do anything and everything to protect Cena so if what your saying is 100 percent true then Brock WILL NOT be seen again

 

[TheAwesomeF'nTruth]

Yeah it did seem like Lesnar was taking some of his real life hatred for Cena out on him at Extreme Rules. A lot of the moves were overly aggressive but it made the match better. I don't know if the match was supposed to be overly aggressive or if Brock just felt like taking his true anger out on Cena, but either way I respect Cena for taking those stiff elbow shots to the skull I've seen ufc guys get knocked out from elbows like that.

 

[BaconBits]

This thread makes me lol. The OP hasn't a clue about wrasslin', jiu jitsu or mixed martial arts.

None of the "submissions" Lesnar "hit" were even close to being uncomfortable. Even if Cena was telling Brock to let up, it was to sell the hold.

The elbows were nasty, but I don't think you understand how elbows like that feel. They don't actually hurt much. You just feel your skin split and start bleeding. There's a reason Bellator and Strikeforce don't allow elbows. They're only good for causing cuts.

 

[BASSER911414]

Yeah it did seem like Lesnar was taking some of his real life hatred for Cena out on him at Extreme Rules. A lot of the moves were overly aggressive but it made the match better. I don't know if the match was supposed to be overly aggressive or if Brock just felt like taking his true anger out on Cena, but either way I respect Cena for taking those stiff elbow shots to the skull I've seen ufc guys get knocked out from elbows like that.

Yup goes to show u dont know what ur talking about. When u start training mma or muay thai and get to elbows then start commenting on mma. Name one guy who got knocked out by elbow hooks which is what lesnar was doing. They get TKO'd which is not knockout. TKO is when the fighter isnt defending himself intelligently and the referee calls off the fight. Thats what ur talking about. It has nothing to do with the fighter going unconscious.

The blood cena used was fake. Did u know real blood clots in a matter of seconds. Cenas blood was liquidy and dripping throughout the match. It was a cool match to watch no doubt and lesnar had to bring legitimacy which is his current gimmick and he did that very very very well in my opinion without hurting cena. The elbows dont hurt, trust me. Been training 5 years now. Straight jabs and crosses (punches) hurt much much much more than elbows and those can knock u unconscious.

And the trainers attending to cena was also fake. They came in twice man. And let it continue twice too.

The thing is fans want to believe that pro wrestling is more personal than it really is involving two wrestlers and that creates the drama. Sure there are personal rivalries and stuff but IMO mostly, backstage those guys are probably talking about their wife and kids and daily lives with each other . And fans play into their hands very well.

Lesnar did his work very very well. Made it look 'legitimate' and at the same time didnt really bury cena either. While i wish lesnar won and cena took time off and then returned to beat lesnar or whatever I think the ending was ok as well. Lesnar lost because of his kayfabe cockiness. The same way cena made a mistake and rock capitalized at WM28, lesnar made a mistake and cena capitalized.

Tonight should be interesting in every sense of the word

 

[Nick Black]

Lesnar was reckless, but that was the point. The "draw" per se, was legitimizing the company. He did that. He threw Cena around. He "injured" his arm. He made him bleed. That seems legitimate to me. Yeah, he was reckless. I think anyone could honestly see it, but regardless, the man did his job. Everyone knew he was stiff and Cena wants to put on a damn good show for the audience, regardless of the costs. I think they both did an amazing job, though Lesnar did seem a tad too crazy in the ring.

 

[Slyfox696]

So Lesnar isn't ready for a WWE match, and your solution to get him ready is to prevent him from working WWE matches. Obviously you're not a fan of logic.

Thread closed for stupidity. We already have a Cena vs. Brock thread to discuss last night's match, and this opening post was just stupid.