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In Kentucky? The conservatives think she's some kind of hero for standing up to Obama. Ignore the fact that Obama has nothing to do with this of course.
Kentucky Clerk is still denying gay couples their right to marriage.
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In Kentucky? The conservatives think she's some kind of hero for standing up to Obama. Ignore the fact that Obama has nothing to do with this of course.
In the latest news involving this matter a federal judge has order Kim "Public Cunt #1" Davis to jail for contempt.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-kentucky/clerk-in-gay-marriage-case-to-appear-in-federal-court
http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-kentucky/clerk-in-gay-marriage-case-to-appear-in-federal-court
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You can see the "Christians are being persecuted!" signs coming from here.
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That's why this isn't a win. She's going to be viewed as a martyr.
I just don't understand how christians now days feel that they can pick and choose what from the bible to follow and what not to follow. By refusing to do her job, she has effectively lied to God and broken an oath. Relevant parts of Oath of Ky clerk: "I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, ..........., and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God." Effective: January 2, 1978. Wouldn't violating an oath given on the value of one's faith weigh on the conscience of a person who professes a strong faith?
Although it is easy to be appalled by Ms. Davis's refusal to comply with a lawfully-rendered federal court order, I find myself equally appalled by the commenters who are gleeful that she is being jailed or are gleeful that she continues to refuse to comply or to resign her position. Like the people for whom she has refused to issue marriage licenses, Ms. Davis is a human being. While her view of how her faith requires her to do her job demonstrates that she 1) either does not understand basic American jurisprudence, or 2) believes her faith exempts her from the rules of that jurisprudence, or both, neither her behavior nor her jailing is anything to rejoice about. This stand-off will eventually be resolved in one way or another. Shouldn't people of good will hope to see it resolved in a way that does the least damage to the human beings caught up in the controversy? While Judge Bunning may believe that he had no choice but to use confinement as a lever to force compliance with the court's order, that is a very difficult position for a judge to have to take. I for one will hope that Ms. Davis's attorneys will advise her wisely, that she will be able to accept the truth that if the obligations of her faith mean that she cannot perform the duties of office she has pledged (perhaps on a Bible?) to perform, her duty is to respectfully resign her position and work politically to change the law she disagrees with.
Although it is easy to be appalled by Ms. Davis's refusal to comply with a lawfully-rendered federal court order, I find myself equally appalled by the commenters who are gleeful that she is being jailed or are gleeful that she continues to refuse to comply or to resign her position. Like the people for whom she has refused to issue marriage licenses, Ms. Davis is a human being. While her view of how her faith requires her to do her job demonstrates that she 1) either does not understand basic American jurisprudence, or 2) believes her faith exempts her from the rules of that jurisprudence, or both, neither her behavior nor her jailing is anything to rejoice about. This stand-off will eventually be resolved in one way or another. Shouldn't people of good will hope to see it resolved in a way that does the least damage to the human beings caught up in the controversy? While Judge Bunning may believe that he had no choice but to use confinement as a lever to force compliance with the court's order, that is a very difficult position for a judge to have to take. I for one will hope that Ms. Davis's attorneys will advise her wisely, that she will be able to accept the truth that if the obligations of her faith mean that she cannot perform the duties of office she has pledged (perhaps on a Bible?) to perform, her duty is to respectfully resign her position and work politically to change the law she disagrees with.
It's nothing new, either for Christianity or religion in general.
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All religions do this. Because all religions are made up to explain answers to questions that we don't have answers to. The more we get answers to them through science, the less and less the religion offers, and the more and more it has to back-pedal to explain the now explainable as somehow having already been answered in the book.
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Good for her. All that matters is that marriage licenses are given out by the office she was elected to. She and her followers and supporters can proselytize to their hearts' content. Just so long as gay couples can walk out of that office with their licenses in hand.
One Punch Doug Crashin
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Difficult? That's the first thing I would've done if I was a judge. You do not get to pick and choose what laws you obey and what laws you do not... Unless you're a well regulated militia and are stupid enough to enact the "we can change the government if they oppress the people" clause.
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And I can't get over the idea that what God wants just happens to coincide with what they want.
One Punch Doug Crashin
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That depends on how this ends. You can't be a martyr if you win, neither can you be a martyr if you back down.
There's a delicious Catch 22 situation brewing if the courts decide to let her rot until she backs down. She can stay in jail, be the hero and have all those media types waiting to throw money at her for her story, but the moment she says sorry and goes free, she's viewed as having betrayed her god and it all goes away.
Personally I hope she rots in jail. Her punishment is self-inflicted and caused by her own stupidity.
This. In fact, the entire bible and new testament itself is just a big collection of things picked and chosen, and rewritten by people who wanted things to be a certain way.
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Was anyone surprised at the GOP candidates sprinting to Kentucky for the photo op when Davis was released?
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Fucking Huckabee. And Tom Cotton doing the shit he's doing. Hate this fucking state.
Geez, husband 2 is a damn fool.
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The ones who went? No, because they're equally delusional about the country they live in, that they want to be the President of.
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Supposin', now. Just supposin.'
Supposin' the whole Kim Davis mess has nothing to do with her religious beliefs. Supposin' she just doesn't like homosexuals and decided she wasn't going to issue marriage licenses to them because of that.
Had this been the case, I doubt the whole mess would have attracted national attention. Instead, she would have been sent to jail and/or impeached from her elected office for not performing her job......without tons of people and Republican candidates for President showing up on her behalf.
However, once she brought God into the deal, it all became a different story. That usually works, y'know. She doesn't want same sex folks to marry......and by golly, the Lord just happens to feel that way, too! Convenient, yes? Ever wonder what God might think about folks interpreting his will to get what they want?
Because of it, we've got tons of people up in arms about this.
Sure, you might presume it's about her religion. Why? Because she tells us it is........but we've seen many, many people invoke the Lord's name to add to their cause......always making me wonder exactly how they know just what God wants.
I'm not saying this isn't all because of her religious beliefs, but what a jolly horse laugh it would be on the whole country if religion had nothing to do with it.
I'm just saying supposin'
Supposin' the whole Kim Davis mess has nothing to do with her religious beliefs. Supposin' she just doesn't like homosexuals and decided she wasn't going to issue marriage licenses to them because of that.
Had this been the case, I doubt the whole mess would have attracted national attention. Instead, she would have been sent to jail and/or impeached from her elected office for not performing her job......without tons of people and Republican candidates for President showing up on her behalf.
However, once she brought God into the deal, it all became a different story. That usually works, y'know. She doesn't want same sex folks to marry......and by golly, the Lord just happens to feel that way, too! Convenient, yes? Ever wonder what God might think about folks interpreting his will to get what they want?
Because of it, we've got tons of people up in arms about this.
Sure, you might presume it's about her religion. Why? Because she tells us it is........but we've seen many, many people invoke the Lord's name to add to their cause......always making me wonder exactly how they know just what God wants.
I'm not saying this isn't all because of her religious beliefs, but what a jolly horse laugh it would be on the whole country if religion had nothing to do with it.
I'm just saying supposin'
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And now she's being sued by EMI for using "Eye of The Tiger".
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Nah, you have that a little backwards. Its God who commands them to discriminate in the first place. The fact that this country largely views religion and faith (the acceptance of claims despite the lack of evidence) as qualities worthy of reverence and admiration just gives these delusional bigots the platform theyd never have in more secular countries. Which is exactly why the U.S. is one of the only countries on the planet where this sort of thing is commonplace.
Jesus never directly mentions homosexuality the way Paul did in Corinthians, or the way Leviticus undoubtedly condemns it, but he does condemn it indirectly by affirming the Old Testament standard of heterosexual marriage (where he also decries divorce as adultery), and by citing Old Testament references that do condemn homosexuality (via Sodom and Gomorrah)
Matthew 10:15, 19:4-6 and 19:9, Mark 10:11-12 and John 5:46-47 all cover this.
Now, strip away the reverence and admiration of religion and faith entirely, especially from politicians, and what do you get? A whole new world.