Kane or John Cena: Who's done more for the WWE?

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

Ok how is this even a fucking question. Clearly John Cena has done way more for the company, Cena has drawn way more money and is much much more over. He is the top guy through and through. Sure Kane has been around for awhile but that doesnt make him more important than the top draw, especially when he has been consistently shoved in the stupidest angles imaginable. Once again, John Cena is more important by far. Another wya to measure this is to look at how much of a business impact there would be if Kane were to end his career right now...little to none, but imagine if Cena ended his career...that would have a hugely negative impact on business in the wwe and don't bother pretending otherwise.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Kane: He has been with the company since 1995 wrestling under different gimmicks such as Dr. Isaac Yankem and his current gimmick right now. I admire him for his loyality and the awful angles they have put him through and how he managed to stay relatively healthy for the majority of his career. In terms of putting put over, I guess I consider that to hinge on the long-term success of the people he puts over. I can't really name one guy that he has put over. MVP comes to most people's minds but Chris Benoit helped MVP way more than Kane did. He has had many title reigns, most of which are forgettable and he will always be known as "Undertaker's little brother" with half the success of his brother. Kane will probably get into the Hall of Fame (still on the fence about that one) and will be remembered for his place in the company.

John Cena: I loved Cena's rapper gimmick when he first debuted. He put on decent matches with Lesnar, Angle, and Jericho. His popularity began to rise when he turned face around the beginning of 2004 and that is when he won his first singles title. After winning the world title at WM 21, he began to soar. Sure he was criticized for not knowing how to wrestle but he has proved the doubters wrong. He was the man at Hammerstein Ballroom at ONS 2006 and has performed great matches with different wrestlers who work different styles. He is a merchandise machine and his work ethic and determination to be the best has always been praised about by past and current superstars. He has started to elevate younger talent such as Swagger and The Miz and since he is relatively young, there's no telling how much he accomplish and see where he will stand in WWE history when he retires.

All in all, I respect Kane for his loyality and dedication to the business but I would say John Cena has done more for the company. He attracts more of the target audience than Kane and has been a better performer than Kane. John Cena is the best wrestler in the company and Kane has never been anywhere close to that. Kane will be fondly remembered when he retires but more will remember Cena when it is his time.

 

[GSM]

Who has done more for the WWE ?

That is an easy question which I could answer just as easy but first I´ll try to explain what in my book a worker can do for the WWE.

A worker can actually wotk hard and bust his ass off for the WWE and the entertainment but that doesn´t necessarily mean that he is helping the WWE in any way.

A worker that jobs for the mainevent talent may be someone who can take tih skind of treatment and be what they call a company-guy but is this person really helping the WWE ?

Has Funaki done anything for the WWE that any other wrestler couldn´t have ?
No, he hasn´t.

So what can a worker do ?
He can draw audience and with the audience comes the money.
And who is drawing more money ? Kane or Cena ?
Without a doubt Cena, he is the face of the WWE even if he isn´t around as long as Kane he really has done more for the company than Kane.

 

[Cheech 72]

I am no John Cena fan by any means but I will say that he is the Hulk Hogan of the new generation. I love Mr.Perfect and he was definetly a better athlete then Hulk Hogan but never achieved Hogan status. The same thing goes with Kane, he may be the veteran and has done alot more in his career then Cena but Cena is the face of WWE now. Like it or not he sells tickets and is the Mega Superstar that Hogan, Austin and Rock once were. I'm not saying he's better then them or Kane but he is currently the Mega face right now on Raw just like Orton is the Mega Heel. Beating Kane now is almost like beating The Great Khali, yeah they are both monsters but pinning them doesn't mean jack. I don't want to compare the two but that's pretty much how it is. 10 years ago beating Kane would be huge because he was a main eventer. Now its different just like I'm sure in 10 years Cena will have the same role.

 

[Black Snow]

I like Kane much more than I do Cena but I can't in good faith say that Kane has done more. The answer has to be Cena.

All the points made about Kane are valid but at the end of the day he hasn't generated near as much revenue for the company as Cena. A win over Kane just doesn't mean much anymore either. While I appreciate Kane's overall attitude and results in the ring more than I do Cena's Cena is still the big name in WWE and he has been for years.

Cena has done the most for the WWE. Kane has done the most for the business in general. How's that for a compromise?

 

[TSG]

There seems to be something here you don't understand, well most of you don't at least. Cena is a drawing power. He has better promos. He gets titles. He is the face of the WWE and is making tons of money. So, Cena must do more for the WWE. Wrong. Cena does more fo them at the moment. Overall, Kane will end up doing more. Who do you think is sown on the mid-card enhancing talent, busting his butt, putting over talent, giving them veteran leadership experience, preparing them for bigger and better things, making them better and more prepared. That would usually be two people. Kane and Shawn Michaels. Two true, loyal, hardworking men who are a testament to this business. Yet HBK is usually in a high-profile fued. That leaves kane. Kane, a man who has paid his dues in this business, who was a star, a champion, probably before Cena ever started training, and has proven to be very over, pretty good on the mic, and most likely a big drawing power. he payed his dues first, has been loyal for a longer time, and has put over talent like crazy, the latter which Cena has not done. Kane should be in the upper-mid card/main event fueds, against people like Triple H, Edge, and Jericho on one show, while Cena should be on the other show in the same spot against Orton, Punk, Miz, Hardy. The fact that creative doesn't use good, over, main event talent is one reason why people look at him at the way they do. But, yet, Kane is happy where he is. Big Nose and You Can't See Me would turn their backs and go off to TNA or ROH if they ended up in Kane's position. Well, maybe not HHH, but you get the idea. And while competitive matches with Kane might not get your career on the map, a fued with him will prepare you for bigger and better things, for the fued(s) that will end up putting you career on the map, plus he'll teach you some stuff, as a veteran lead you, and will give you some credibility because he is over as one of the bigger stars in history, wether any of you want to like it or realize it. Not to mention he can lead the locker room if needed, and probably does, considering his veteran status. So while I will agree with everyone who says that John Cena does more in the present and probably will in the coming years, Kane will mean more in the long run, because Cena isn't the one who wrestled them, put them over, gave them credibility, gave them leadership and veteran experience, and prepared them for future fueds and better things. Kane is.

 

[slimmshady]

Personally, I feel as though kane has done more for the wwe than cena in terms of laying the platform for making what wwe is today. During the olden days, wcw almost destroyed the wwf in every way in terms of the ratings and overall match popularity. Ever since the introduction of the nWo, wcw was living its prime days. But even through these hard times, a small group of talented wrestlers stood by the wwe and arguably, single-handedly made wwe into a global phenomenon. Kane, undertaker, HHH, the rock, austin, angle are just a few that stood by the wwe in the really bad times. Their popularity caused the birth of a new age for the wwe - the attitude era. In this period ratings sky rocketed and vince's life long dream was finally accomplished. So really, if it wasn't for the likes of kane and the others, cena would have never been as successful as he is till this day. And I feel that the current wwe has forgotten that. Don't get me wrong, I fully respect the amount of hard work cena has done to get to this position, but he wouldn't be making this much revenue for the company if it wasn't already established in the world.
Having said that, what really pisses me off is that we hear several interviews with cena in which he has a go at the rock. He says how the rock has betrayed the company and that he would never do that. But the fact of the matter is, he would have left the company years ago if he wasn't as successful as he has become. Now I could understand he mentions this topic once or twice but he constantly babbles on every time he is asked the question. So really cena is doing nothing but picking the fruits from a tree that has already grown from its roots.

 

[The Champ]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is that a win over a guy that jobs all the time isn't really going to do anything. Let's look at Triple H, for example. Everyone always whines and complains about how he never puts anyone over, he wins all the time, blah blah blah etc. etc. But look at the few times he has put people over. He solidified John Cena as a true star and a fighting champion. He put over Randy Orton's punt as truly devastating, and to this day, Orton is one of only two men who has ever put Triple H on a stretcher. Not to mention the fact that he basically created Batista. All these losses really helped these guys to get to the level they're at now, and they meant something in the long run.

Now, when Kane puts someone over, when has it had an effect like that? I really want someone to give me an example of when Kane has helped make someone's career. The thing people have trouble seeing is that Kane really can't make anyone's career, because he's just not a big enough deal to do so. The guy's over and pretty respected, but honestly, he's never really been a main eventer. And until you get to that top tier level, you're not doing as much for the company as a Cena.

 

[Kanye South]

Cena has definitely done more than Kane. Kane isn't worthless to the WWE, but he hasn't done more than Cena. Cena has made the WWE money, and he can definitely make the younger talent look good (see Swagger and Miz). Kane has done alot for the WWE, but nowadays it really isn't a big deal to get a victory over Kane. Cena basically carried Raw for a year, and has come back from injury early to entertain. Cena has sold tickets, merchandise, and pay-per-view buys, and has helped the WWE in ratings. I'll just put it this way: When it's time for them to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame, Cena will be Steve Austin and Kane will be Koko B. Ware. Cena is one of the hardest-working indivuals in wrestling, but so is Kane, however Cena have just helped the company out overall more than Kane.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

Did MVP even go over Kane? All I really remember from their feud is MVP running like a bitch after Kane lit his ass on fire. And that definitely didn't help get him over. On the contrary, it made him look like a joke and like he couldn't compete with Kane.

I still can't think of anyone else who Kane's truly put over. He's jobbed to a lot of guys, but it really hasn't done anything for them. Kofi Kingston pulled off an "upset" over Kane earlier this year, and he's still in the same spot now that he was back then. Hell, Kane squashed Chavo Guerrero in eight seconds last year at WrestleMania. I'm sure Chavo appreciates that.

Kane didn't turn MVP into a John Cena level star, but that's not Kane's fault. MVP just isn't a John Cena level star, and yes, MVP went over Kane numerous times during their 3 month long feud a few years ago. MVP beat Kane in a street fight and in a steel cage. MVP at the start of the feud was a little bitch who people mocked and jeered and chanted "Power Ranger" at. By the time the feud was over, sure they might have still been calling him a "Power Ranger" but MVP was solidified as a VERY legitimate mid-card THREAT that pushed him to a feud with Benoit. The feud with Benoit would've never happened had he not gotten so over thanks to Kane. Add that to the fact that the Kane/MVP rivalry was hyped just as much as the Undertaker/Kennedy rivalry, and it led to MVP not just being in the ring with Kane but also with Taker and I think that Kane was definitely the superstar who put MVP on the map.

Also, Kane was THE catalyst for pushing Khali. Kane gave Khali the biggest push of his life. Khali isn't a huge star, but Kane was the one who put him over at Wrestlemania. After that, that was the win the pushed him into dominating Raw and a main event run against Cena, and eventually a World Title win. And after Khali won the World Title, Kane was the one who LEGITIMIZED Khali as World Champion. He took the fall to put Khali over in the triple threat match at the Bash. Batista certainly didn't. Kane put Khali over cleanly again in a Smackdown! main event over the Summer, where again, Batista never put Khali over cleanly and then Batista just wound up winning the title from him.

So that's 2 guys in the last few years who I can say Kane really benefitted. Kane put MVP on the map. Kane gave Khali the best run of his life.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is that a win over a guy that jobs all the time isn't really going to do anything. Let's look at Triple H, for example. Everyone always whines and complains about how he never puts anyone over, he wins all the time, blah blah blah etc. etc. But look at the few times he has put people over. He solidified John Cena as a true star and a fighting champion. He put over Randy Orton's punt as truly devastating, and to this day, Orton is one of only two men who has ever put Triple H on a stretcher. Not to mention the fact that he basically created Batista. All these losses really helped these guys to get to the level they're at now, and they meant something in the long run.

Now, when Kane puts someone over, when has it had an effect like that? I really want someone to give me an example of when Kane has helped make someone's career. The thing people have trouble seeing is that Kane really can't make anyone's career, because he's just not a big enough deal to do so. The guy's over and pretty respected, but honestly, he's never really been a main eventer. And until you get to that top tier level, you're not doing as much for the company as a Cena.

HHH puts over his buddies, it's well documented. That's why he's put over Orton and Batista and Michaels and he put over Cena because it just HAD to be done because Cena is a bigger star than HHH. When it comes to putting over someone that isn't close in HHH's circle, we all know what happens. Other than Shelton Benjamin and Chris Benoit 5 years ago, when was the last time HHH put over anyone that should've went over? He has made a career of burying guys who are on the verge of breaking out or who are needing a big win.

 

[Raw Power]

Why should Cena have to put people over atm? Hogan and Austin, at the top of their games, never did. It defeats the point of having a top star if they job - you need a couple of people to be booked as the best - otherwise everyone just looks average.