John Cena: Tommy Dreamer With Titles

[klunderbunker]

That's what he is. Cena's gimmick is that he's a man that will never say die and eventually rises to the top to defeat his enemies. The only difference is that Cena has a long running resume with many world titles to his credit. Dreamer was, at least according to Heyman, based on John McClane from Die Hard. he was a man that was average but rose up to superhuman like standards and did things that should have been beyond his capabilities. Does that remind you of anyone, perhaps a certain actor in some shall we say not great films? While they've reached far different points in their careers, Tommy Dreamer and John Cena are incredibly close when you think about it.

What do you think? Am I right or crazy?

 

[Unrated Superstar]

Umm...well keep in mind, Cena's a lot more believable as someone who can overcome overwhelming odds. He's bigger, younger, stronger in better shape, and has been consistently booked to look very strong for most of his career.

But for clarification, are you referring to Dreamer strictly in his prime in the original ECW? If so, then there's not much more I can say on the matter, as I didn't watch the original ECW much.

But from what I've seen of him in WWE, another big difference is that Cena rises to the top to defeat his enemies much more frequently, which kind of goes hand in hand with the titles. I see Dreamer as a bit more of a sympathetic character at this point, way more of an underdog in general than Cena. I'll leave it at that in case you're just talking about his original character in ECW.

 

[Gort]

I'm going to assume you are talking old school Dreamer and if so I think you are off base, Dreamer wouldn't quit but he'd beat you with anything he could get his hands on and when he lost you still thought he gave it every damn thing he could and just lost. Cena on the other hand takes a beating all day jumps back up and beats you into a coma and then you give up after 2 moves. When he loses I feel like well that's more reasonable, there is no reason for Cena to be an unstoppable monster, but I can see some vague similarities in them, mostly they look like they learned how to dress themselves in 1997 and stopped right there.

 

[Kane666]

I don't agree with this at all.Cena is a selfish bastard compared to Dreamer.Dreamer stated on the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd that he wanted to go his whole ECW career without winning a title.On the other hand Cena seems to think he's privilged since he constantly kisses Vince's ass.Dreamer would sell sometimes all through a match and then make his comeback.Cena won't sell for anyone,not even monsters like Khali or Show.So to compare Cena to Dreamer to me is ridiculus.in my opinion Dreamer is a better and more giving worker than Cena will ever be!

 

[The Gribbler]

A more giving worker? Cena dedicates his life to the sport and Tommy Dreamer is more giving. I have never seen a WWE worker give so much time to their craft. John Cena is a deserving WWE champion because of two words, Work Ethic.

Just my Opinion

 

[Adalam]

Dreamer is more Rey Mysterio in terms of consistently being the underdog than he is similar to Cena. Cena's a guy who would love to have the title and will break whoever is in his way. Dreamer just keeps fighting no matter who he's against even if he knows he'll lose.

 

[brandogg]

I would never call Cena the underdog, or anything close to average, simply because the man is an absolute freak of nature. Skill-wise, he's definitely the underdog, and so is Dreamer. Oh, and it's fake.

 

[wbuqed]

i read the posts on this and have to say that i think i disagree with you that dreamer and cena are one in the same in original ECW Dreamer was always fighting for a deeper cause while Cena's goals were always seen as superficial. In that same breath I think you for the most part have to put it on the difference in writing between the 2 organizations, ECW had to ability under the cloak of anonymity to be more experimental with their storylines that's why Raven's character was able to be built up as one of IMO the best heels in the 90's, he could push dreamer any way he wanted and that's what made dreamer fight harder.

In Cena's case though, he fights for the title and well that's pretty much it when you get to the bare bones of the matter. Because you take away the whole fan thing (because 1. every face fights for the fans and 2. you should have a majority of fans cheering for you and obviously cena doesnt look he has that). Probably the closest Cena came to Dreamer was his feud with JBL around WM 21

 

[D-Man]

I see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with this. If you dig deep enough into all superstars' roles on television, you'll probably find some similarities between their personalities. However, besides what you mentioned, I can't see any similarities between Dreamer and Cena.

Dreamer is the quintessential underdog. He takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. But, in big-time situations, he constantly fails. He's a never-say-die personality like Cena, but he's also a whipping boy. He's the underdog that people love to cheer because everyone wants an underdog to win. Cena, however, is a hero. Heroes are not only bulletproof, but they have other "super powers" such as superhuman strength (Cena lifting multiple objects, men, and superheavyweights) and a larger-than-life persona. Dreamer is a plain-Jane type that gets spit and shit on by top performers and then falls short of his goals. Cena achieves them on a constant basis.

I think their a lot more different than you'd believe. In my eyes, your concept of "similarity" between them couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[JBK2008]

Both are hard workers. Dreamer will fight to the point where you'd have to kill him to beat him almost where Cena would come back from the dead and then crush you in 5 seconds. Cena's work ethic though is very impressive.

 

[Fallen Angel 21.3]

John Cena doesn't remind me of dreamer that is a disgrace to dreamer's legacy john cena remind me of stone cold steve austin think about it Austin has is own title made the smoking skull championship, cena has his own title made with the spinner plate, Austin always gave the stone cold stunner to the boss, john cena gave the FU to teddy, eric bishoff, and slaped vince around a couple times

 

[Razor]

I don't agree with this at all.Cena is a selfish bastard compared to Dreamer.

I think you meant "Cena is a much better worker and overall wrestler than Dreamer." It's fine, we all make mistakes.

Dreamer stated on the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd that he wanted to go his whole ECW career without winning a title.

Well, that doesn't make much sense...unless he realized he sucks as a draw. That would explain it.

On the other hand Cena seems to think he's privilged since he constantly kisses Vince's ass.

Bullshit. If he thinks he's privileged, then so does Orton, Trips, Batista, Punk, Taker, Hardy, Edge, and anyone else in the main event. You're talking out of your ass.

Dreamer would sell sometimes all through a match and then make his comeback.

Comeback? Is that when you lay on your back for 3 seconds?

Cena won't sell for anyone,not even monsters like Khali or Show.

*Breath*



Say what now? Cena not sell? Let me guess, HBK sells like a dream.

So to compare Cena to Dreamer to me is ridiculus.

I agree with you if you're going to go this extreme. Cena is a much more giving worker than Dreamer, when you consider the company as a whole. But if you keep it to what KB says only, the characters, then I don't see much of a difference.

in my opinion Dreamer is a better and more giving worker than Cena will ever be!

Lulz. Please. The only thing Dreamer has given more than Cena is seconds looking at the lights. And that's not from lack of trying on Cena's part.

That's what he is. Cena's gimmick is that he's a man that will never say die and eventually rises to the top to defeat his enemies. The only difference is that Cena has a long running resume with many world titles to his credit. Dreamer was, at least according to Heyman, based on John McClane from Die Hard. he was a man that was average but rose up to superhuman like standards and did things that should have been beyond his capabilities. Does that remind you of anyone, perhaps a certain actor in some shall we say not great films? While they've reached far different points in their careers, Tommy Dreamer and John Cena are incredibly close when you think about it.

What do you think? Am I right or crazy?

If you're speaking strictly of gimmicks, which I think you are, then I agree. Dreamer is the man who tries his hardest and succeeded at shit you would never have thought he could pull off. Cena is the man who tries his hardest to succeed at killing the giants, the legends, and succeeds even when you want him to fail.

The only difference is who the respective wrestlers try to slay. Main event, or ECW midcard?