Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka Dead At 73

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It was announced about an hour or so ago that Jimmy Snuka passed away after being diagnosed in December with what was simply described as a "terminal illness."

For the past year or so, Snuka's been involved in various legal proceedings regarding the 1983 murder of his girlfriend, at the time, Nancy Argentino. It was revealed last year that Snuka was suffering from dementia with numerous doctors declaring that he wasn't competent to stand trial. Two weeks ago, charges of third degree murder and involuntary manslaughteragainst Snuka were officially dropped by the Pennsylvania judge presiding over the case as it was obvious that Snuka's physical and mental health weren't going to improve.

This is one of these situations where there are mixed feelings. On one hand, I feel sorry for Snuka's family as they've lost someone they love. After all, in spite of what Snuka was accused of doing and, let's be honest, almost certainly did, that's no black mark against them. On the other hand, as I said, there's pretty much zero chance that Jimmy Snuka didn't commit the crime because...well it's just common sense given that he was the only other person with Argentino when the various injuries she suffered took place and Snuka escaped having to potentially face the legal consequences of his actions for a little over 33 years.
 
Never really was a huge fan of snuka mostly because i caught only the tail end of his career when i came back in the late 80's but i got to give him that, the guy was one of the toughest guy in the ring every day and he would give you something to talk about. One of the first guy to use ariel maneuvers which was really cool to watch especially is big splash.

Too bad that his legacy in WWE will be mark by only 2 things: his big splash of the cage at madison square garden and the fact that he was the first one to lose to the undertaker at wrestlemania.

For all his trouble outside the ring, the guy deserve major props for being an innovator in the ring and while he never won any championship in WWE mostly because of his personal life, the guy was a legend and now i hope that his daughter Tamina will be able to represend her father legacy in wwe.
 
You hit the nail on the head by explaining it as a "mixed feeling" kind of situation. Ignoring his blight, which I will get to later in my post, Snuka is a legend, with unforgettable moments like the cage dive onto Don Muraco and the feud with Roddy Piper. His place in the Hall Of Fame is undeniable. I also feel the need to make a distinction between him and Benoit: His wrestling career did continue after the source of the controversy. I know that obviously does not overwrite his misdeeds, but Benoit ended his life and career in the worst possible way. Snuka at least maintained a semblance of dignity before his in-ring career ended. The controversy only erupted way after his days in the ring were over and he was a secure Hall of Fame inductee.

That said, we can't ignore his highly-probable murder of Nancy Argentino. Any murder is horrific, and this is no different, and more than enough to blemish the entirety of his career. To me, murder is one of the few actions that can simply nullify a prosperous career, and the fact that Nancy and her family never got a satisfying conclusion to the trial is highly unjust. It doesn't necessarily mean that his great moments can't still be enjoyed by fans new and old, and that his family can't be respected in their time of bereavement, but the waters will always be soured whenever the topic of Jimmy Snuka is discussed.
 
It's a terrible loss for his family but in a way maybe a burden off their shoulders. For a long time now he's been surrounded by controversy regarding the murder of his girlfriend.

Even now I'm surprised that they waited so long to bring those charges against him. The body, evidence and some of the people involved are long since gone. Those that remained would have foggy memories at best. Charges should have been brought while there was still a chance he could have been convicted. Her family didn't get the justice they deserved. The whole situation is a sad one, and hopefully now everyone left can move on.
 
kinda forgot this when i wrote my previous post, before his death, he was part of that class action lawsuit against wwe and it seems like his wife will continue pursuing this case against wwe which i think it's sad even more so since Tamina is still working for WWE. I know that it's always hard to lose someone but i just don't get why she would want to continue with this lawsuit now.
 
As a Wrestling fan I always loved the Superfly!

I was born in 1981, so I didn't see him until his WWF return in 1989 when he was past his prime but I became an instant fan.

His earlier work in Japan and the various territories was superb, and his angles with Muraco and Piper will live forever.

So also will his likely act of murder.

In a similar way to Benoit my emotions are mixed.

I love what both of them could do in the ring, but for a Human Being to take the life of another is beyond disgraceful.

But as a fan his death makes me sad and Wrestling will never forget Jimmy Snuka.
 
kinda forgot this when i wrote my previous post, before his death, he was part of that class action lawsuit against wwe and it seems like his wife will continue pursuing this case against wwe which i think it's sad even more so since Tamina is still working for WWE. I know that it's always hard to lose someone but i just don't get why she would want to continue with this lawsuit now.

Snuka was married 3 times and his 2nd wife is a woman named Sharon who happens to be the mother of Tamina, James, Jr., who was better known for his time as Deuce in WWE, Liana and Ata. His 3rd marriage took place in 2004 to a woman named Carole who had three children prior to her relationship with Snuka. This woman Carole was Snuka's legal spouse so she probably has all legal control; there's no way of knowing what her relationship is with Snuka's biological children but even if it's rocky, there really shouldn't be any reason why Tamina could be in an awkward situation as she's not Tamina's mother. Even if they have a great relationship, Carole is ultimately a woman who married her father but I think it'd be a different story if Snuka was still married to Tamina's mother.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tamina transition into some sort of other role in the company at some point in the near future. She's 39 years old, she's not really all that good in the ring, has the charisma of a pickled cabbage and there are just far better talents on the main & developmental rosters with far more of an upside.
 
kinda forgot this when i wrote my previous post, before his death, he was part of that class action lawsuit against wwe and it seems like his wife will continue pursuing this case against wwe which i think it's sad even more so since Tamina is still working for WWE. I know that it's always hard to lose someone but i just don't get why she would want to continue with this lawsuit now.

I don't see why she would be pursing it either. It's not like she was the one who suffered the concussion's, her husband did and he's gone now. You could say it brought on an early death but that would have to be proven by doctor's and the guy was 73 years old.

Snuka was married 3 times and his 2nd wife is a woman named Sharon who happens to be the mother of Tamina, James, Jr., who was better known for his time as Deuce in WWE, Liana and Ata. His 3rd marriage took place in 2004 to a woman named Carole who had three children prior to her relationship with Snuka. This woman Carole was Snuka's legal spouse so she probably has all legal control; there's no way of knowing what her relationship is with Snuka's biological children but even if it's rocky, there really shouldn't be any reason why Tamina could be in an awkward situation as she's not Tamina's mother. Even if they have a great relationship, Carole is ultimately a woman who married her father but I think it'd be a different story if Snuka was still married to Tamina's mother.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tamina transition into some sort of other role in the company at some point in the near future. She's 39 years old, she's not really all that good in the ring, has the charisma of a pickled cabbage and there are just far better talents on the main & developmental rosters with far more of an upside.

I had no idea she was that old, certainly doesn't look it. Even though his last wife is not her mother, Snuka being her father is what really counts. The WWE however has decided to keep her employed even though her father was part of the class action suit. Kudo's to them for doing that, although with her not appearing and she has been cleared to wrestle for awhile now, makes me think that she is on a short list somewhere.
 
I will always remember Snuka for two things: His dive off the top of the cage in Madison Square Garden against Bob Backlund. And the night he turned on Capt. Lou Albano on Buddy Rogers' Corner. Just a motion to "go away" from Snuka. Classic. It is sad that he has to go to his Eternal Reward with a cloud over his head. But, now he will answer to the Man upstairs for that. May his soul Rest in Peace.
 
From what I've heard and seen, Jimmy Snuka was a good wrestler. Not great and never the top guy but a good wrestler. I'll remember him mostly for his dive off the Steel Cage in the Madison Square Garden. Unfortunately he did have some issues outside of the ring. As others have said, it is really sad for him to go out like this. Hopefully he asked for forgiveness. Regardless, we should remember the positive things about him and his wrestling career.
 
Not great and never the top guy

Snuka was most definitely a "top guy" from 1982-1984. Feuding with the likes of Bob Backlund for the WWF Championship, then Don Muraco for the Intercontinental Championship then of course his classic feud with Roddy Piper.
 
Between the legal battles, and the way his mental health has been gone, I think it's actually a blessing that the man can finally be put to rest, and his family can find peace and move on. I mean all of this with the most respect, as every time you've heard about superfly for the past decade, it's been more and more negative and I hated seeing the family and him suffer through both the trauma and the legal issues.

He was the heart of a few key moments in WWE, and I think his Hall of Fame spot is well deserved. Without the murder trial ever really proceeding or being 100% proven, it's something I'll pretend doesn't exist, as my childhoods already had a good number of heroes that have been tainted (looking at you Cosby).

My thoughts are with the Snuka family, hoping they all find peace through all of this.
 
This irks me...

There seems to be a lot of "oh well, he'll get his rewards now" around Nancy Argentino and he's still being given the respect etc. Benoit wasn't convicted of anything either... it was just "nice and neat" in the same way it was back in 1983 to call it an accident.

If Superfly gets to keep his legacy and tweets from McMahons etc... then they should be allowing Benoit the same as neither were PROVEN to be killers.

But of course they won't, cos a kid is involved...

As for Snuka himself, yes I get the impact he had in the early 80's but I never personally saw him as anything special. Even as far back as late 80's I'd heard the rumors and it put me off the guy completely. Can't lie about feelings and I feel Snuka was overrated and just a bit of a scumbag in general.

Not a popular view, but I feel he should have been recalled from the HOF... If I'm honest I think the inspiring Foley and Pipers Pit stuff is the only reason they didn't as it would mess with his "legacy" too.
 
Benoit wasn't convicted of anything either... it was just "nice and neat" in the same way it was back in 1983 to call it an accident.

Well Benoit didn't need to be. He basically admitted it through his actions. Snuka maintained his innocence throughout. Now whether or not you believe him in purely a matter of opinion. Hell, there is people out there who still believe Benoit didn't kill his family (Bill Jack Haynes?) but for the majority of sane people the guilt of Benoit (again through his own actions) is one that is not debatable. Snuka, on the other hand, for the people backing him or showing him respect they can fall back on the "We just don't know what happened argument."

If Superfly gets to keep his legacy and tweets from McMahons etc... then they should be allowing Benoit the same as neither were PROVEN to be killers.

I have my own opinion on the case but for the sake of argument how was it PROVEN that Snuka killed Argentino beyond reasonable doubt?
 
As for Snuka himself, yes I get the impact he had in the early 80's but I never personally saw him as anything special. Even as far back as late 80's I'd heard the rumors and it put me off the guy completely. Can't lie about feelings and I feel Snuka was overrated and just a bit of a scumbag in general.

You just contradicted yourself. On one hand you admit he had "impact" but yet he was "not anything special?" I guess there a lot of wrestler's jumping off high places back in the late 70's? You look at today's high flyers (and even yesterday's) Snuka was the first.
 
Well Benoit didn't need to be. He basically admitted it through his actions. Snuka maintained his innocence throughout. Now whether or not you believe him in purely a matter of opinion. Hell, there is people out there who still believe Benoit didn't kill his family (Bill Jack Haynes?) but for the majority of sane people the guilt of Benoit (again through his own actions) is one that is not debatable. Snuka, on the other hand, for the people backing him or showing him respect they can fall back on the "We just don't know what happened argument."



I have my own opinion on the case but for the sake of argument how was it PROVEN that Snuka killed Argentino beyond reasonable doubt?

It wasn't... just as it wasn't in the Benoit case. "On the balance of probabilities" the Police drew a conclusion, just as they did in 1983.

One was painted as a "roid fuelled monster" and the other received "protection" from that until his death... in 1983 it was alleged he "didn't speak English well" and couldn't answer questions, then when it was going to go to trial he was "medically unfit". Benoit was just dead... so you can pretty much say what you want...

Scott Hall shot a man in the head, but due process saw it as self defence. Doesn't change the fact he did it... but he faced his charges like a man. Snuka fought and weasled out at every opportunity over 34 years.

Most people think Benoit did it... so do I... but that's the point, it was NEVER proven beyond reasonable doubt and you forget the reality that with the medical evidence available from his brain that Benoit would have gotten off on Diminished Responsibility/sent to a hospital...not Jail!.

So if Snuka gets the reasonable doubt "pass" then so does Benoit...and there really is no argument.
 
It wasn't... just as it wasn't in the Benoit case. "On the balance of probabilities" the Police drew a conclusion, just as they did in 1983.

Well, in the Benoit case the primary (and only) suspect was deceased.

One was painted as a "roid fuelled monster" and the other received "protection" from that until his death... in 1983 it was alleged he "didn't speak English well" and couldn't answer questions, then when it was going to go to trial he was "medically unfit". Benoit was just dead... so you can pretty much say what you want...

Who "painted" this picture? It was the media. No credible law enforcement sources ever used the term "'roid-fueled monster". As far as the 1983 allegation it was never PROVEN that Snuka used the excuse 'He could not speak English" in fact there are promos of him speaking and understanding English so IF he used that excuse it would right out the window. Again, another media creation. No one was "protecting" Jimmy Snuka. Do you think Vince McMahon would risk losing his business on tampering with a possible homicide investigation? Again, another media falsehood. It's why there are so many different opinions about this case. The facts get mixed in with the rumors.

but he faced his charges like a man. Snuka fought and weasled out at every opportunity over 34 years.

He was never charged with anything. You can say he fought and weasled out of paying the family any money but he wasn't charged for 34 years.

Most people think Benoit did it... so do I... but that's the point, it was NEVER proven beyond reasonable doubt and you forget the reality that with the medical evidence available from his brain that Benoit would have gotten off on Diminished Responsibility/sent to a hospital...not Jail!.

Well it never "proven" because it didn't have to be. The primary suspect killed himself. But the fact that Benoit was proven to be still alive and going about his business when both Nancy and Daniel were deceased is enough to prove he killed them. I HIGHLY doubt Benoit gets off on any technicality. He was not mentally ill according to the law. His brain had deteriorated to that of an 80 year old man but an 80 year old man can still face murder charges.

I don't understand the 'reasonable doubt" part on Benoit.

1) It was proven (through voice calls and text messages) he was alive when Nancy and Daniel were deceased.

2) He gave orders on where to find the bodies
 
No... He had the brain of an 85 year old WITH SEVERE dementia... Another wrestler had the same a short time later and faced no charges... Verne Gagne! He killed his roomate with a chokehold in a nursing home. What you are actually claiming is a 39 year old man who had the same ailment/issues wouldn't get the same protection under the law because he'd be seen as more culpable or they wouldn't have looked as deeply into the medical causes. Which would have been a miscarriage of justice.

Whether he cold-calculated murdered them or killed them as part of an unravelling psyche is immaterial... it was never conclusively proven he actually killed them at all. Police decided that outcome. The Texts wouldn't have counted, all they were saying was "this is my address and the dogs are out" not "I did it and there are 3 bodies"

He was alive after their deaths but that doesn't prove he caused them... He could very possibly come home, find Nancy dead and completely collapse mentally, just as plausible with his now accepted as fact brain issues. So it is pure conjecture...but they have allowed it as "the official history" - in 30 years time who knows, maybe someone will go back and look again as with Snuka and find something amiss or a new take on the evidence... you can NEVER say it will NEVER happen.

Snuka didn't have that dementia in 1983... he was off his tits. Benoit may well have been, but in 1983 there was enough smoke that the controversy and potential WWE involvement became "a thing", there weren't "smarks" in those days like there are today... People who knew about it, knew there was something fishy and it was enough for Vince to distance himself from pushing Snuka and get him out of his company till the heat wore off. If it's as you say and there was no problem or question of Vince being involved, then Snuka wrestles at Mania, probably fights Hogan at Mania 2... but he didn't.
 
No... He had the brain of an 85 year old WITH SEVERE dementia... Another wrestler had the same a short time later and faced no charges... Verne Gagne! He killed his roomate with a chokehold in a nursing home. What you are actually claiming is a 39 year old man who had the same ailment/issues wouldn't get the same protection under the law because he'd be seen as more culpable or they wouldn't have looked as deeply into the medical causes. Which would have been a miscarriage of justice.

Gagne was already diagnosed with dementia. Benoit was not diagnosed till AFTER he dies. He was an ACTIVE WWE wrestler for Christ's sake. If he snapped his wife's neck there is no way in hell as muscled-up physically active 39 year old wrestler gets off on "dementia."

Whether he cold-calculated murdered them or killed them as part of an unravelling psyche is immaterial... it was never conclusively proven he actually killed them at all. Police decided that outcome. The Texts wouldn't have counted, all they were saying was "this is my address and the dogs are out" not "I did it and there are 3 bodies"

Well considering he SPOKE to Chavo Guerrero AFTER Nancy Benoit had died (they determined she died Friday, he spoke to Chavo Saturday) and spoke about "over sleeping' and "missed flights" leads law enforcement to determine BEYOND a reasonable doubt that Benoit killed his family.

He was alive after their deaths but that doesn't prove he caused them... He could very possibly come home, find Nancy dead and completely collapse mentally, just as plausible with his now accepted as fact brain issues. So it is pure conjecture...but they have allowed it as "the official history" - in 30 years time who knows, maybe someone will go back and look again as with Snuka and find something amiss or a new take on the evidence... you can NEVER say it will NEVER happen.

Wow that is stretching it. He comes home. Finds Nancy dead. Sleeps with her dead body then calls his best friend the next day to say he's "going to be late" because "she's sick". I don't even know what to say to that. That is more like "defense attorney speak" not actual law enforcement and I doubt even the most skilled defense lawyer would run with that explanation.

Snuka didn't have that dementia in 1983... he was off his tits. Benoit may well have been, but in 1983 there was enough smoke that it became "a thing", there weren't "smarks" in those days like there are today... People who knew about it, knew there was something fishy and it was enough for Vince to distance himself from pushing Snuka and get him out of his company till the heat wore off. If it's as you say and there was no problem or question of Vince being involved, then Snuka wrestles at Mania, probably fights Hogan at Mania 2... but he didn't.

Vince knew he coudn't push Snuka. Not because of this case but he had SEVERE drug and alcohol problems.
 
It wasn't... just as it wasn't in the Benoit case. "On the balance of probabilities" the Police drew a conclusion, just as they did in 1983.

One was painted as a "roid fuelled monster" and the other received "protection" from that until his death... in 1983 it was alleged he "didn't speak English well" and couldn't answer questions, then when it was going to go to trial he was "medically unfit". Benoit was just dead... so you can pretty much say what you want...

Scott Hall shot a man in the head, but due process saw it as self defence. Doesn't change the fact he did it... but he faced his charges like a man. Snuka fought and weasled out at every opportunity over 34 years.

Most people think Benoit did it... so do I... but that's the point, it was NEVER proven beyond reasonable doubt and you forget the reality that with the medical evidence available from his brain that Benoit would have gotten off on Diminished Responsibility/sent to a hospital...not Jail!.

So if Snuka gets the reasonable doubt "pass" then so does Benoit...and there really is no argument.

The police drew those conclusions in the Benoit case because they had the evidence in front of them to make those conclusions. The three bodies showed various degrees of decomposition and experts could tell when each one of the family died, to a reasonable accuracy. Benoit's wife died first, his son was next and Benoit last.

During the time that his wife was supposed to be in hospital vomiting blood, she was actually dead. The statements about his wife being in hospital were made by Benoit himself to friends he called over the weekend. No one will ever know for sure, but the police did investigate and came to a reasonable conclusion.

In the Snuka case, if the police had investigated thoroughly when his girlfriend was killed, Snuka would probably be serving a life term now. After 34 years, as I've said before, evidence is lost, memories are foggy and they don't have a body to examine. It's turned to dust long before now. Most witnesses to the crime are probably gone as well. In this case they waited far too long to pursue it. Unless they had an admission of guilt, which I don't believe they got, Snuka will go to his grave an innocent man.

I have no idea why they waited so long, but Snuka's girlfriend got no justice from the police or prosecutors paid to do the job. The two cases while being similar couldn't be more different. The WWE as I said on the LD thread where caught in the middle. If they said nothing about Snuka they would have gotten heat, if they did say something they would get heat as well. In this case they did the bare minimum that they could. When Benoit died the whole segment of RAW was dedicated to him, that wouldn't happen in the case of Snuka. I sincerely doubt that anyone will come forward now to cement Snuka's guilt.
 
The WWE as I said on the LD thread where caught in the middle. If they said nothing about Snuka they would have gotten heat, if they did say something they would get heat as well. In this case they did the bare minimum that they could.

That's exactly what I was thinking. If WWE didn't do something acknowledging his passing, they'd be criticized and some will probably criticize them for this anyhow considering the Nancy Argentino case. I won't be at all surprised if Superstar Billy Graham goes on another rant about WWE paying homage to Snuka in light of the situation given that he's awfully damned self-righteous.

Personally, I think Snuka did it though admittedly that's based on what I've read regarding the case online. Obviously, I don't know what hard evidence they had or didn't have or what led prosecutors to indict Snuka all those years later. When it comes to proclamations of guilt or innocence, there's a lot of ambiguity; someone could genuinely be guilty of a crime, charged with it, but be found innocent in a court of law due to any number of legal tactics and technicalities while someone that's genuinely innocent of a crime, is charged with it and is found guilty, again, because of various legal tactics and technicalities. I can say that "I know" Snuka is guilty but, from a legal standpoint, I don't know squat so as far as society goes, and the law of the land for that matter, Jimmy Snuka died an innocent man as you're innocent until proven guilty. It's a nice sentiment, depending on how you look at it, if you've been wrong, someone you love has been wronged, etc. but that's just simply how it goes.
 
The police drew those conclusions in the Benoit case because they had the evidence in front of them to make those conclusions. The three bodies showed various degrees of decomposition and experts could tell when each one of the family died, to a reasonable accuracy. Benoit's wife died first, his son was next and Benoit last.

During the time that his wife was supposed to be in hospital vomiting blood, she was actually dead. The statements about his wife being in hospital were made by Benoit himself to friends he called over the weekend. No one will ever know for sure, but the police did investigate and came to a reasonable conclusion.

In the Snuka case, if the police had investigated thoroughly when his girlfriend was killed, Snuka would probably be serving a life term now. After 34 years, as I've said before, evidence is lost, memories are foggy and they don't have a body to examine. It's turned to dust long before now. Most witnesses to the crime are probably gone as well. In this case they waited far too long to pursue it. Unless they had an admission of guilt, which I don't believe they got, Snuka will go to his grave an innocent man.

I have no idea why they waited so long, but Snuka's girlfriend got no justice from the police or prosecutors paid to do the job. The two cases while being similar couldn't be more different. The WWE as I said on the LD thread where caught in the middle. If they said nothing about Snuka they would have gotten heat, if they did say something they would get heat as well. In this case they did the bare minimum that they could. When Benoit died the whole segment of RAW was dedicated to him, that wouldn't happen in the case of Snuka. I sincerely doubt that anyone will come forward now to cement Snuka's guilt.

Most likely Benoit did it. I blame steroids, rather than dementia, for Benoit's rampage.

However, there has some evidence that the police weren't totally thorough in their investigations.

1) They didn't investigate or thoroughly interview the member of the public who put Nancy's death date, eight hours before it was released to the public. Was this shoddy policing, refusing to accept anyone but Benoit doing it, or did it leak out of the police department itself.

2) Kevin Sullivan, a guy who was once married to Nancy, who hated Chris Benoit and threatened to kill him, was even interrogated or suspected, despite motive- Benoit stole Nancy off him, so Benoit is the "other man", his wife "betrayed him" and Daniel is a product of that union, so he would have motive to kill all three, and set it up so that Benoit is blamed.

Chris Benoit achieved more in wrestling, and stole Sullivan's wife. There would be plenty of reasons for Sullivan to be jealous. Was it enough to kill? Probably not. But the police should have investigated the possibility, and then dismissed it if it didn't pan out.

3) It always seemed strange to me that there was never a suicide note, which explained why Benoit did what he did. The police have never explained what Benoit's motive for killing Nancy and Daniel was. I thought you had to have motive, means and opportunity. Benoit had the last two, but police never said what they suspect the first one might be.

Yet Sullivan had a motive, yet that was never followed up.

4) Police never explained how a guy who was supposedly drunk (empty beer cans was found around his exercise machine) and apparently doped up on steroids (his autospy revealed 11 times the amount of testostorone that the body is supposed to have, which leans towards HGH or some other steroid) was able to murder two people, carefully place a Bible next to each body, and then fashion his exercise machine in such a way as to choke him and kill him. This would require a lucid and clear mind, not one addled with beer and drugs, or someone suffering dementia.

A lot of stuff seemed too considered, too neat, to explain Benoit being drugged, drunk or suffering brain injury. If Benoit knew what he was doing, why not then leave a note, telling the world what he hoped to achieve, or what was going through his demented mind.

5) The police never considered the possibility of a visitor or stranger visiting that day. Maybe there was no forced entry because they knew the visitor and let him or her in. Maybe that is why the dogs didn't bark.

Or maybe Nancy opened the door and the person on the other side was holding a gun, and forced her to open the door and let him in.

6) Did Benoit do it alone, or with help? Ever consider the possibility that someone helped him, and maybe then turned on Benoit and killed him too. Or knows what happened. The police never considered it.

7) The police say it was Benoit who did it, because they found his fingerprints all over his house. I bet my fingerprints are all over my house too, because I touch things in my house without wearing gloves. I bet Nancy and Daniel's fingerprints can be found too. That tends to happen when people live in a home for many years. If that is the best the cops can do, then they have done a shoddy job.

There were not other fingerprints. Ever consider an intruder wearing gloves?

8) Why were the cops in such a hurry to wrap up the investigation. Within two days, they had made their conclusion, and weren't even open to any other possibility. They interviewed no-one, and didn't seem to chase up any leads.

What was their hurry? If there was a murderer who might kill again, then they would need to find out who it is quickly, to catch him before he strikes again. But their suspect was dead, so is unlikely to kill again. So why not take time to cross every "T" and dot every "I". Interview everyone, study evidence, and then make a conclusion. If every possibility was investigated, and it still showed Benoit was the likely culprit, then they would be vindicated. It saves the case being re-opened later, because some new evidence emerges, which, if they were more thorough and took more time, they could cover all bases. I don't seem what their hurry was.

Hell, they publicly announced their conclusion before the bodies were even studied for autopsy. Wouldn't it be better to wait, and find out what happened.

9) If their main suspect is dead, then the case never has to go to court, and the evidence tested. There is less chance of a mistake by police being detected, because there is no-one (like a defence lawyer) to question it.

If I were an Atlanta cop, I would keep up the investigation, even on my own time, to get to the truth. If I reached the same conclusion, it would only be after checking every single bit of evidence, interviewing every other possible suspect, knock on doors in the Benoit neighborhood, to see if anyone saw anything. I would not rest until I knew, in my heart, that there is no other possibility, before I accuse a person, any person, of crimes which will destroy their reputation, career, legacy and life.

Don't forgot, there are some people in jail and some on death row, who are later acquitted of what they did because of shoddy police work. Having a man's legacy, reputation and everything he had and worked for, trashed is too high a price to pay for any chance of doubt whatsoever.

I hope, for their sake, the police have got it right. Imagine if new evidence emerges, making it impossible for Benoit to do the killing, and he was a victim too, not the killer. I wonder what the investigating cops would tell Police Integrity, the media, and the wrestling world then.

The fact is, no-one knows for certain what happened, so no-one can say definitively what happened, not even the police, and not even people saying for certain that he did it.
 
Most likely Benoit did it. I blame steroids, rather than dementia, for Benoit's rampage.

However, there has some evidence that the police weren't totally thorough in their investigations.

1) They didn't investigate or thoroughly interview the member of the public who put Nancy's death date, eight hours before it was released to the public. Was this shoddy policing, refusing to accept anyone but Benoit doing it, or did it leak out of the police department itself.

2) Kevin Sullivan, a guy who was once married to Nancy, who hated Chris Benoit and threatened to kill him, was even interrogated or suspected, despite motive- Benoit stole Nancy off him, so Benoit is the "other man", his wife "betrayed him" and Daniel is a product of that union, so he would have motive to kill all three, and set it up so that Benoit is blamed.

Chris Benoit achieved more in wrestling, and stole Sullivan's wife. There would be plenty of reasons for Sullivan to be jealous. Was it enough to kill? Probably not. But the police should have investigated the possibility, and then dismissed it if it didn't pan out.

3) It always seemed strange to me that there was never a suicide note, which explained why Benoit did what he did. The police have never explained what Benoit's motive for killing Nancy and Daniel was. I thought you had to have motive, means and opportunity. Benoit had the last two, but police never said what they suspect the first one might be.

Yet Sullivan had a motive, yet that was never followed up.

4) Police never explained how a guy who was supposedly drunk (empty beer cans was found around his exercise machine) and apparently doped up on steroids (his autospy revealed 11 times the amount of testostorone that the body is supposed to have, which leans towards HGH or some other steroid) was able to murder two people, carefully place a Bible next to each body, and then fashion his exercise machine in such a way as to choke him and kill him. This would require a lucid and clear mind, not one addled with beer and drugs, or someone suffering dementia.

A lot of stuff seemed too considered, too neat, to explain Benoit being drugged, drunk or suffering brain injury. If Benoit knew what he was doing, why not then leave a note, telling the world what he hoped to achieve, or what was going through his demented mind.

5) The police never considered the possibility of a visitor or stranger visiting that day. Maybe there was no forced entry because they knew the visitor and let him or her in. Maybe that is why the dogs didn't bark.

Or maybe Nancy opened the door and the person on the other side was holding a gun, and forced her to open the door and let him in.

6) Did Benoit do it alone, or with help? Ever consider the possibility that someone helped him, and maybe then turned on Benoit and killed him too. Or knows what happened. The police never considered it.

7) The police say it was Benoit who did it, because they found his fingerprints all over his house. I bet my fingerprints are all over my house too, because I touch things in my house without wearing gloves. I bet Nancy and Daniel's fingerprints can be found too. That tends to happen when people live in a home for many years. If that is the best the cops can do, then they have done a shoddy job.

There were not other fingerprints. Ever consider an intruder wearing gloves?

8) Why were the cops in such a hurry to wrap up the investigation. Within two days, they had made their conclusion, and weren't even open to any other possibility. They interviewed no-one, and didn't seem to chase up any leads.

What was their hurry? If there was a murderer who might kill again, then they would need to find out who it is quickly, to catch him before he strikes again. But their suspect was dead, so is unlikely to kill again. So why not take time to cross every "T" and dot every "I". Interview everyone, study evidence, and then make a conclusion. If every possibility was investigated, and it still showed Benoit was the likely culprit, then they would be vindicated. It saves the case being re-opened later, because some new evidence emerges, which, if they were more thorough and took more time, they could cover all bases. I don't seem what their hurry was.

Hell, they publicly announced their conclusion before the bodies were even studied for autopsy. Wouldn't it be better to wait, and find out what happened.

9) If their main suspect is dead, then the case never has to go to court, and the evidence tested. There is less chance of a mistake by police being detected, because there is no-one (like a defence lawyer) to question it.

If I were an Atlanta cop, I would keep up the investigation, even on my own time, to get to the truth. If I reached the same conclusion, it would only be after checking every single bit of evidence, interviewing every other possible suspect, knock on doors in the Benoit neighborhood, to see if anyone saw anything. I would not rest until I knew, in my heart, that there is no other possibility, before I accuse a person, any person, of crimes which will destroy their reputation, career, legacy and life.

Don't forgot, there are some people in jail and some on death row, who are later acquitted of what they did because of shoddy police work. Having a man's legacy, reputation and everything he had and worked for, trashed is too high a price to pay for any chance of doubt whatsoever.

I hope, for their sake, the police have got it right. Imagine if new evidence emerges, making it impossible for Benoit to do the killing, and he was a victim too, not the killer. I wonder what the investigating cops would tell Police Integrity, the media, and the wrestling world then.

The fact is, no-one knows for certain what happened, so no-one can say definitively what happened, not even the police, and not even people saying for certain that he did it.

I'm not looked to reopen the Benoit case that's not what this thread is about. I was just pointing out to TRT why the Benoit case seemed to have more of a solution to it than the Snuka case.

Everything you say might have a ring of truth to it, but like someone else said a lot of people who want Benoit to be innocent is because they like him as a wrestler and can't believe that he was capable of a double murder.

As for myself, I think that anyone is capable of doing anything. You read newspaper stories all of the time of people that just snap and do something totally unexpected of them. Myself I'm one of the calmest people around and wouldn't hurt a fly, but lay a hand on someone I love, I'll rip your arm off and hit you with the wet end. Everyone has their breaking point, and who knows if Benoit didn't reach his.

All I know is that the police investigated and came up with a reasonable conclusion. If it turns out that he wasn't the killer at a later date, then the history books will be rewritten about him. I don't think that will ever happen but you never know stranger things have, haven't they?
 

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