JEFF Hardy should have turned heel..

[timmy872]

Ok, so hear me out. The now defunct storyline between the Hardy Boys would of been made much better if Jeff Hardy turned heel. 2003 saw Matt turn on Jeff over his intercontinental title match.
Jeff should of turned on Matt, and said how he (Jeff) has always been held back by Matt. Jeff would of got a better push.
But the problem with it was that Jeff, clearly is leaving so Matt taking the heel push was much better in light of the events unfolding.
But even so if Jeff had taken the turn, then when he left, it would of left Matt as the sole Hardy and built him more as the survivor.

Plus, Jeff I think as far as I am aware, has NEVER been heel in his career. When he started painting his face (sting-esque) in November last year and the promos in the darkness started I thought he was going to turn heel and have a big tormented (Kane-esque) storyline. It would of been good I think. He randomly attacked people, perhaps revealing a multiple personality disorder? I know its cheesey but I think it could of worked.

Anyone else have any ideas about it??

 

[truk24]

Agree, and I think we are the only people around here who think this way. Honestly he has never turned heel, but " some" on here think this did happen and it apparently failed. I'm here to say that it never happened, and these people are tripping. Anyhow, yes he should have turned heel. Jeff may not be able to run the mic, but thats due to the fact that when he is talking he is speaking as a "face". Thats the problem with Jeff Hardy is that he is horrible on the mic as a "face".

I think he could have been something close to a Raven mixed with a bit of "Crow" Sting. When 'heels" speak they are looking to piss the audience, and that isn't to hard. At least it is not as tough as getting people to actually like what you say. A "face" character has to have depth on the mic, and I don't think Jeff ever excelled as a true "face" for me. In fact I felt the only reason he was over as a "face" was due to his brother turning on him, and also primarily on his moveset.

There are so many things that make this man a pure heel. He doesn't give two shits about much, and his life is on the edge. In reality people who live on the "edge" aren't very homelike, or nice. Most them of them are loaners, and simply put "Gypsy" like. Jeff is exactly that, and for years he has been putting his career on the line, and for what? There was one reward, and he blew it. That should make a man "bitter". Think about that last statement.

If you go back to what Matt said after he recently turned on Jeff, he mentioned that Jeff blows every chance he gets. Matt said that Jeff had things handed to him out of sympathy even when he was a child. Over time one would think that if Matt was bailing Jeff out, then Jeff must be some dick. Matt is the one with his head on straight, not Jeff. Thus, clearly making him the obvious choice as the heel.

Just take a look at how popular this man has become within the last ten years. A strong, and creative heel turn could have done wonder for his career, and I mean just recently with his brother Matt. No one would have seen this coming from Jeff, and most if not all were expecting Matt to turn. Honestly his heel turn could have been something similar to Hogan's except not as huge, but more so in the sense that it was vastly unexpected. Jeff turning heel would disappoint a ton of "posers", "teenie boppers", "10-14 yr old, fat, dorky boys who have mothers who still pack their lunch for them, very uncool 18-25 yr olds who work at Wal-Mart. His heel turn could have been strong, and could have been something for the WWE to build on.

 

[KillBill]

Thank you!!! Glad some people agree. He should have been heel, not then, but now. I mean, Matt is right, Jeff is a screwup, but gets everything. They should have had Jeff play off of that, but I couldn't of worked. Too much sympathy for Jeff with all the accidents. A better scenario would be Jeff going apeshit on Edge, so bad that it turned him heel, then have Matt turn on Jeff. It looks bad that somebody can get into trouble but still succeed, although it shows what can happen when you get a second chance. But Jeff should still be heel.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I honestly don't think Jeff would ever work as a Heel. He is just one of those people that is so hard to hate. I don't think his Heel turn would be all that effective, to be totally honest. Just call it "intuition".

Keep in mind that it's not like you can just turn him back Face if it doesn't work out in a month or two ... so if this would be done, it has to be for the long haul. Given pending retirements of Faces like Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Batista ... I really don't think it's a wise idea.

I can understand wanting to try new ideas, and I am all for that .... anything to escape from the WWE norm of today, but this is one of those individual cases that I feel very strongly simply would not work.


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On a side note, Jeff was a Heel only once in his WWE Career. And that was when he was part of the Hardy Boyz with Michaels Hayes, and then aligned with Gangrel. He was a Heel during that duration, however was not allowed to speak at all. So he basically got very little negative reaction since he was pretty restricted.

After that he was turned Face, and has been a Face ever since.

 

[truk24]

For christ sake Hulk Hogan turned heel! Hell, at one point HHH was a heel, and now one could say that it is highly impossible that HHH could get booed. Really? To say that Jeff is one of those people who is so hard to hate makes no sense in the wrestling world, most wrestlers go from heel-face often. The WWE needs a breath of fresh air, and turning him heel would have been nice. He is the antithesis of Cena literally, as Cena would have been that popular jock in school, and Jeff is the "to himself dick" who blames everyone else for his fucked up life. Can you dig?

 

[timmy872]

Yes, I totally agree with you. John Cena and Jeff are polar opposites, a fued between them with one as heel one as face, hell even both face could draw a lot of money.
Yeah, Jeff definetly should of taken a darker side to himself.
Actually you know if this was done MUUCH earlier, and im talking 2002, when Matt Hardy was the only Hardy in WWE. And it was JEFF HARDY who adopted the Version's gimmick. Think about it, Jeff comes out as a different version of himself more or less every time he wrestles, the guy is an artist and a music maker, he would of been a better candidate for the Version gimmick as a heel. Or it could of made him the biggest tweener of all time? The versions being almost different personalities within him, making him incredibley un predictable, interferring god knows when, to help god knows who.
Obviously that wouldn't of happened because Jeff had been released but it WOULD of been better.
I also concour that there isn't a feasable way to turn Jeff heel now, but there were plenty of oppotunties, plus there isn't much point now, because lets face it Jeff is on his way out.
But what if Matt turns face again in the time that Jeff is gone, or becomes tweener, and then Jeff comes back heel in a year or two and attacks Matt. Telling him its now his turn to be the only brother in WWE. Just and idea, another match between them as soon as Wrestlemania 28/9 even as late perhaps as 30. 5 Years after the initial big match environment encounter. ?? Just an idea.

 

[Sean Valjean]

I disagree, I don't Jeff could ever work as a heel. He can be a tweener at best, but I just can't see him a full heel. I don't know why, but there's just something about Jeff;. it's so hard to boo him. Matt has this natural douche-ness/bitterness about him that makes him a much better heel than Jeff.

Besides, they tried some sort of Jeff heel turn back in late 2002 or early 2003 (can't remember exactly) when he was "conflicted", snapping on people, interfering in matches, and that flopped.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Agree, and I think we are the only people around here who think this way. Honestly he has never turned heel, but " some" on here think this did happen and it apparently failed. I'm here to say that it never happened, and these people are tripping.

to pinpoint and give an example of when jeff attempted a heel turn, he was on the mic talkin with shawn michaels. Shawn was discussing his recent "attitude" and jeff said "there is gonna be some changes around here, starting wit--" attempted to attack him and got kicked in his face. the next week, he came out and saved trish stratus from someone or something, kissed her, and the heel turn was forgotten. Pwned.

I dont see jeff as someone who could pull of the heel role. For one, if your a little guy tryin to make it as a heel, you gotta have mic skills. I love jeff but he doesn't have any mic skills. His moveset is face, his appeaerance is face, theres nothing about him that even remotely looks heel. See with Matt, he has the natural douchebagesque feel about him. You can just tell that hes the kinda dude that would try to hit on his best friends girlfriend when he was at work(irony?)/

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Jeff will never and can never be a effective heel. His mic skills are passable but not good enough to be a heel and he has to change most of his moveset and that's not going to happen. There are some wrestlers that are better off being face for their career and Hardy is one of them. A heel Jeff Hardy will be just as bad as a face Randy Orton.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I just want to add a quick point.

We are talking about mic skills, mic skills, mic skills ... and I agree that Jeff doesn't have the believability to pull of a Heel role on his own.

However, if we still had managers, none of this would be a problem, as a manager (like Paul Heyman) would get Jeff over just fine.

Just one more case where Vince took the Entertainment out of wrestling ... by eliminating ringside managers. At least with them, you could still change guys face and heel ... and not worry about getting them over, since the manager could assist in doing the talking.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

....um, right.

execpt for its an absolutely abysmal idea. for a number of reasons. Oh, were oh were should I start...

1. Maybe that he is THE most over guy in the enitre company? yea? ask IC25. he saw what I saw. Hardy is even more over than Cena. for whatever ridiculous reason. How about we just sacrifice all of THAT revenue, yea?

2. He style doesnt lend to being a heel at all, whatsoever. Jeffys main strengths are selling, and high spots, which lend FAR more to be a little guy face. Its the antithesis of what a heel should be

3. Matt, on the other hand, works a much slower, blander, more annoying style. perfect for a heel. He is also superior on the stick, which is integral to getting people to hate you.

4. I guess people just want Smackdown to be an all heel show. First CM Punk, now Jeff Hardy to. Tell me then, who do all these piles of heels compete against? R Truth? The Great Kahli? Gail Kim? On what planet do you dudes live on? Jeff is one of only two (count em!!) legit Main Event faces on the entire active SD! roster. Not a damn CHANCE turning Hardy heel is even a remotely good idea

 

[shazam]

Jeff turning heel would disappoint a ton of "posers", "teenie boppers", "10-14 yr old, fat, dorky boys who have mothers who still pack their lunch for them, very uncool 18-25 yr olds who work at Wal-Mart. His heel turn could have been strong, and could have been something for the WWE to build on.

That is the reason that I think he would not turn. It's been said a million times already, but WWE is trying to be PG. By being PG they want to appeal to families and those families have 10-14yr old kids that think Jeff Hardy is awesome.

And while trying to add to the points that I'm echoing from before his moveset is face. So to have a good heel turn then he'd have to get a completely different moveset and finisher, and I can't see Jeff ending a match w/o the Swaton, I don't even really think that the twist of fate works that good when Jeff does it, he wins w/ speed and daredevil moves and that is just a face moveset. When it comes to mic skills, as said before, he doesn't have good enough to be heel. Sure you can say that he could just get a manager to talk for him and get him heat but I really don't see Jeff Hardy as someone that would have a manager. He's the wild, out of control, risk life and limb guy that marches to the beat of his own drum. A manger would make no sense for him.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Sure you can say that he could just get a manager to talk for him and get him heat but I really don't see Jeff Hardy as someone that would have a manager. He's the wild, out of control, risk life and limb guy that marches to the beat of his own drum. A manger would make no sense for him.

But at the same time, getting a manager would actually help his heel status. Because it would be so very uncharacteristic of him to do such a thing.

The same argument could be made about Chris Jericho. Who would have ever thought they would have seen Jericho change his wrestling attire and come out in a suit almost every week, calling fans liars and hypocrites on a weekly basis? Isn't that very uncharacteristic of the Chris Jericho we all became accustomed to.

Jeff has had 3 prior managers in his WWE career, when he wasn't really allowed to speak. They were: Michael Hayes, Gangrel, and Terri Runnels.

Someone like a Paul Heyman in his corner would really get Hardy over as a Heel, without a doubt in my mind. Unfortunately, having a manager is such a "NO NO" to Vince in this day and age, that it makes this an impossibility. And Jeff sure as Hell isn't going to get over successfully as a Heel on his own.

 

[shazam]

The same argument could be made about Chris Jericho. Who would have ever thought they would have seen Jericho change his wrestling attire and come out in a suit almost every week, calling fans liars and hypocrites on a weekly basis? Isn't that very uncharacteristic of the Chris Jericho we all became accustomed to.

But the main difference is that Chris Jericho is gold on the mic. Always has been and always will be. Even before he changed his attire and is doing what he does now he was a heel. Besides NWO he was one of the main heels in WCW. Even in WWE he had that run were he was a heel and had the old attire. It comes down to mic skills and Jeff just doesn't have them.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

But the main difference is that Chris Jericho is gold on the mic. Always has been and always will be. Even before he changed his attire and is doing what he does now he was a heel. Besides NWO he was one of the main heels in WCW. Even in WWE he had that run were he was a heel and had the old attire. It comes down to mic skills and Jeff just doesn't have them.

And that's why if he is going to be turned Heel, and we want to try the experiment, that is why he needs a manager ... because he certainly isn't going to be believable on his own.

Managers got the Heels over just fine in the 80's and 90's and it's a shame that Vince has conditioned his audience over the years to ALWAYS expect the wrestler to get himself over on his own. There are sadly very talented wrestlers, who simply can not act ... or they can play a Face ... just not a Heel ... or vice versa. Umaga is another classic example who is nothing without a manager, and certainly wouldn't work as a Face. He can't talk, so he's restricted.

In this scenario, Jeff would use the manager, like a Paul Heyman, to do 75% of the talking, while Jeff chimes in here and there. However, Jeff would also be using his actions to speak for himself, as well as his facial expressions.

Jeff turning Heel by himself would piss off enough people, who would be "disappointed in him". However he is restricted because similar to his brother, he has difficulty pulling off the believability factor, because for whatever reason, those 2 can not act. Which is why Matt is another one who I also thinks needs a manager.

But a good manager could get Jeff over just fine as a Heel. No doubt in my mind. He just can't do it on his own.

 

[shazam]

And that's why if he is going to be turned Heel, and we want to try the experiment, that is why he needs a manager ... because he certainly isn't going to be believable on his own.

Managers got the Heels over just fine in the 80's and 90's and it's a shame that Vince has conditioned his audience over the years to ALWAYS expect the wrestler to get himself over on his own. There are sadly very talented wrestlers, who simply can not act ... or they can play a Face ... just not a Heel ... or vice versa. Umaga is another classic example who is nothing without a manager, and certainly wouldn't work as a Face. He can't talk, so he's restricted.

I completely understand this and maybe it would work, I don't think it would but maybe it could work. But the main fact is that Jeff would need a manager and, as you've said, we don't see managers for nearly anyone and won't be seeing one for Jeff. The Umaga example confuses me b/c that is the oppisite of the problem we are trying to correct. He doesn't talk and simply uses his actions and moveset to show that he is a heel. Jeff Hardy has been labeled a face, Umaga has been labeled a heel and until Jeff can get better on the mic or Umaga begins to talk on the mic nothing is going to change for either of them. That's why Hardy should not have turned or shouldturn heel, he could get a manager, but that isn't going to happen, and he isn't going to be able to get heat w/o being able to work the crowd and, as said before, his moveset is face.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Jeff Hardy turning heel? Are you kidding me. On what Earth would a Jeff Hardy heel turn work? Not this one. The man's a kid's wet dream. Colorful, moves a lot, and does fucking stupid ass moves that nearly kill him.

NO WAY Jeff Hardy should turn heel. Think about it. Who would possibly believe Jeff as a heel? Answer: NOBODY! Jeff Hardy can't talk on the mic, and to have someone be a manager and his mouthpiece would just look stupid. There's no logic in turning someone who will never be believable as a bad guy heel.

Hulk Hogan started his wrestling career as heel. So did Sting in the UWF. So there was a time where these two were heel and it was legit. Jeff Hardy coming out and cutting a heel promo would look ******ed coming from him. If anything, it'd backfire into an even stronger FACE turn. That's just me though.

 

[Khalifa]

Mmm please tell me how this would benefit anyone in the slightest. Jeff if probably the main face on Smackdown and is/was one of the most over superstars in the WWE. So there is one reason why he shouldn't be heel. If he were to go heel that emans there would be 3 main event heels on Smackdown and then CM Punk and Rey Rey would be the main faces. But right there it already fails. I said Rey Rey and CM Punk would be the main faces. People hate the idea of Rey and Punk being the top faces because they think they are worthless and cannot work a match that good. Now Jeff isn't better than Rey and Punk but atleast he can perform some decent matches against great wrestles, ala Edge and Chris Jericho.

Another reason why he shouldn't be heel is because people complain that he is nothing than a spot monkey. So if he is why should he be a heel? Heels are meant to be great on the mic or indimating if they are not good on the mic. Jeff fails to do that. Heels can either be cowards or be dominate ( Orton works both pretty good), Jeff isn't dominate and never ever should be because of his size and a coward wouldn't suit him because he has that daredevil gimmick thing. So Jeff fails in just being a general all together.

Jeff is way to over and it would not help anyone or anything so why do it?

 

[Drue]

Honestly, I think Jeff as a heel could work IF it was done right. Think about this:

Have Jeff traded to Raw. (Or hey, a three way trade, Jeff goes to RAW, someone on the Raw roster heads to ECW, and Christian sent to Smackdown....wishful thinking I know). So once Jeff comes to RAW you have him start his path to the main event, having him do some "questionable" things as he goes, inching the needle towards Tweener. So then, Cena wins back the belt (Yes I know, tired of Cena in the Main Event, just follow me on this.). So Cena does some kind of segment where he's interviewing Jeff, maybe saying something like "A possible contender to my belt" or something like that. So him and Jeff are out there and Jeff says "you know a lot of things have changed since I came to RAW....including....my attitude!" and at that point he grabs a weapon (chair, mic whatever) and smashes Cena right across the face. Instant heat from the Preteen Girls, Little Kids, and Cougar Moms.

So the next week he gets on the mic and says "I'm tired of putting my body on the line for you people. I'm tired of shortening my career so you people will cheer me. I'm tired of being the guy who comes up just a little short. From this point on I care about me and me alone." or possibly a turn to the dark sadistic side (I haven't really been able to think of a line for that.) So now he starts insulting the fans, he changes his moves, he attacks the Uber-Faces, and beats the holy hell out of Cena for the belt.

Okay, not the best storyline ever written, but its an idea right?

 

[King Patrick Star]

The simple comparison here is, Jeff Hardy is today’s Ricky “the Dragon” Steamboat / Ultimate Warrior. I don’t think he could ever turn heel now for the simple fact that he doesn’t, in my own opinion, have the mic skills to be a heel. Now, unless they give him a manager / mouthpiece and Jeff just stands there, then maybe. I think the only way something like this could work is if Raven was his manager and Jeff was in the Flock. Just by the way Jeff talks would throw people off. Then again, Hogan did it and if he can do it...

 

[Mjolnir]

If this gets off topic, I apologize, but here goes...

I am surprised that so many fans and especially smarks give such a shit about Jeff Hardy... face it... he SUCKS! I don't think that he works as a character (face or heel)because he is not believable (you know, like Mysterio)... he looks like the freakin' "tortured soul" vampire kid who rode on your bus to school and had to sit up front near the bus driver beacuse everyone would beat him up and make him cry when he tried to sit in the back... can you think of anyone else in WWE who spends their time DESIGNING THEIR OWN RING ATTIRE? Oh yeah, her name is Maria... and she doesn't wear as much make-up as he does...

In order to be a good character, you have to make people care about what you are doing... when he got "beat up" in the stairwell... I yawned, when he got "driven off the road" with his "girlfriend", I was excited (because I thought it was Christian), when the pyro blew up in his face, I just thought it was part of his stupid ring entrance/dance-off... Basically, if I had to pick a Hardy to stay in WWE it would be Matt... I think that he has slightly more skill (especially on the mike), though I still go and wash the dishes when his matches come on (brownie points with the wife!)...

For someone who is supposed to be SO exciting, high-flying, innovative, I got to watch Shelton carry his sorry ass through a match at a house show last year... don't get me wrong, I love the high-flying style, but give me Jushin Liger, Psychosis, Evan Bourne (coincidentally EXCELLENT at the house show), or Shelley/Sabin any day of the week... I haven't seen anything good from a Hardy since TLCII...

There are far better talents wasted in WWE who never get on TV at all, and I for one think that Jeff Hardy should forget about a heel turn, and instead take a job as a fashion designer for goth kids

 

[King Patrick Star]

Oh man, you are about to get it, and it’s not from me. HAHA!! Please explain why Jeff is so over. It might be the same reason why you are hating on the Charismatic Enigma so much. Jeff is exciting, plain and simple. Jeff does everything most other won’t do and that’s why he always gets the “Best” reactions night in and night out. This topic is about him turning heel, but since you got the ball rolling, let me ask you a question. Do you feel this way about Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, and John Cena?? I ask this for the simple fact that these men don’t do have the things Jeff does and never will, yet are as over as his is. You rather watch these guys, but Jushin Liger and Psychosis won’t make it in the WWE, just ask Vince, Evan Bourne wasn’t drafted to the Red or Blue show for a reason and between the New Rockers, Shelley and Sabin, neither one of them is the next Shawn Michaels, well, not yet at least. Jeff has already surpassed / won’t be surpassed by the names you mentioned because of what he has already done. If Jeff really does “suck”, you wouldn’t see Vince push him after so many “mistakes” and you wouldn’t hear the fans yell “Hardy, Hardy, Hardy!!” You face it, he’s that damn good…from a marketing perspective. One more thing, if there are far better talent, then they would be where Jeff is. Think about it.

 

[HHHDiedForOurSins]

What? Turn the most popular guy on the roster heel, why?

Outside of Taker, he's the only guy in the whole company who's universally popular, Cena & even Batista to a lesser extent get mixed reactions, Shawn gets booed in Canada, HHH & Rey don't get the pops they used to, but Jeff gets huge cheers EVERY single week, in this day and age when they're struggling to get people to react the way they want to certain wrestlers why would you turn Jeff Hardy heel?

I thought last year when he was feuding with HHH the mysterious tweener type character he played was the best he's ever been character wise, he came out and attacked HHH & Taker, the top 2 babyfaces, and people STILL cheered for him, I just don't think he'd work as an out and out heel.

 

[Mjolnir]

The reason that Jeff Hardy gets the BEST reaction from the crowd is that a good deal of the crowd is made up of little kids and teenagers with freakin' Jeff Hardy spandex sleeves. I understand that Jeff Hardy is a draw... I just don't understand WHY Jeff Hardy is a draw. I suppose it has to do with the fact that little kids always like the most annoying wrestlers...

I don't get how anyone thinks his character is interesting or exciting (damn do you hear how hard Jim Ross has to try to make the freakin' "Whisper in the Wind" sound like it's exciting)...

I agree that I really went off topic with my Hardy bashing... but it is no different from Cena bashing! I don't agree at all that Hardy is the best or most exciting talent, at all and that is why he is where he is... Jericho, Benjamin, Christian, Morrison, Kennedy, MVP ALL deserve to be more recognized than Hardy... I also like Knox dammit!

 

[King Patrick Star]

I agree that Jeff really doesn’t have talent and it is the same as Cena bashing and it’s the kids who pushes Vince to push them. Reminds me of Hulk Hogan. I don’t think there were 20 to 30 year old Hulkamaniacs in the 80s. I think the thing is Jeff has no fear. He's the actor who does his own stunts.