Is This Who You Want As Champion?

[Hem]

An unhinged man with the a great back story of growing up in the rough neighborhoods and not having many people to trust and finally finding two brothers who he can trust but was betrayed by one of them as well. Now he's a lone wolf who will do anything to keep himself safe and does not trust anyone and doesn't even care what happens to him and just goes crazy.

That guy is who I want to see. That guy is basically what Dean Ambrose is. But you know, he's to busy making silly faces and delivering jokes that are even worse than Dolph Zigglers jokes.

I was such a big advocate of Dean since I saw him in FCW/NXT. He had an amazing feud with Regal and that made me want to see Ambrose be called up and win the championship asap.

Eventually I saw Dean Ambrose run out to the ring with Seth & Roman and form The Shield. It looked like Dean would snap and turn on his brothers sooner rather than later but he didn't and even that was fine.

Time passed by and Dean became one of the most popular singles stars on the roster. He changed with time though and was no longer the Dean who I became a fan of.

I do not at all want to see the current goofy/stupid version of Dean Ambrose holding the main belt after cashing in MITB or something.

Is this the version of Dean Ambrose you guys really want as the champion? I know it's not what I want. Maybe one day Ambrose goes back to being the Dean of old but until and unless that happens, I don't want him as the guy.

 

[the_peoples_adam]

Dean Ambrose is a veteran. He wrestled at smack down as Jon moxley back in 2006..He has been here for so long and I agree with something not everything that u pointed out..
He is actually great on mic..He has that intensity in his voice ..This year He had programs with Brock Lesnar and Chris Jericho, two of the best in the biz of all time..But all of his in ring action has been real flat bland and that is what is causing him look bad.
He had his own gimmick cage match with Y2j but it didn't delivered right. What he should do is bring more energy and intensity to his in ring work and put on great n entertaining matches. He should put the intensity in his words to his in ring matches..
He already have the crowd support that any star would dream of and I have never heard anybody boo him until now. Hopefully if he wins the MITB I want him to be less shabby and work on his looks too..

 

[Hem]

I think it's great that Dean feuded with huge names like Lesnar and Jericho but personally I felt like both of those feuds failed to deliver big time.

In the Lesnar feud, he looked straight up ridiculous crawling around and what not. He should have attacked l
lesnar every chance he got even if it was from behind. Plus, the match was nothing special at all.

Still not sure if Y2J/Dean had a reason to feud but they did and even brought back a big stipulation to add some intrigue in the match, but it all fell flat.


I'm an Ambrose fan and I feel like he just phones it in sometimes. Maybe thats because he's just tired or frustrated or maybe management told him to slow down or something. Maybe getting a title run is what it takes to bring out the best of Ambrose.

 

[Blade]

I like Dean Ambrose. And I wouldn't mind him winning the World Title purely out of curiosity, like Mick Foley before him. And Vince clearly likes Ambrose to some extent, as he continues to be booked as the top upper midcard babyface in the company.

With that said, Ambrose would have to start winning more if he was World Champion. While the crowd are behind him, he doesn't have the best credibility in the world. He can't be booked like Rey Mysterio or 2008 CM Punk if he wins the title.

 

[Prince Vee]

I used to like Dean Ambrose but he hasn't evolved in his character lately. He is quite one dimensional and I don't think there will be much credibility when he become the world champion. Sometimes I even wonder if I do really want to see him as the world champion. He has the charisma and all, ignoring his in ring ability, I still don't think he is in any level to the likes of Seth Rollins. Like I said he's being one dimensional.

It maybe give us laughter when he does odd things in the ring with the Ambrose Asylum and such but carrying a World Championship around one's shoulder is something completely different. Look at Seth Rollins, he evolved from being the Architect of the shield to the one who (apparently) retired Sting. But Ambrose's feud with Triple H is unforgettable. The only interesting feud he had was with Bray Wyatt and Seth Rollins and those names speak why those feuds were well received.

I'll say that once, I'll say that again. I used to like Dean Ambrose. But he won't be a better world champion unless he evolves into one.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I think that ambrose suffers from what I like to called the wyatt syndrome. Ambrose just like bray wyatt is a really great performer on the mic, he got energy and can really deliver then he get in the ring and nothing. Just like wyatt he just bland and uninteresting and that too bad since he could be a bigger superstar then both rollins and reigns if he wanted to but he's seem to be set on sticking with this persona and while it's a good persona, it needs to evolve and change a little bit so that it connects with the wwe audience during matches which he's not doing right now and it hurts him.

 

[WhiplashUnited]

I think the storylines he's been in have been bland. Whoever booked the Lesnar-Ambrose match should really be ashamed of themselves. They booked it similar to Lesnar-Goldberg, a real slugfest and airplane collision rolled in to one but unlike the WMXX they promoted weapons a plenty but barely anything was used. Seems like it was more about getting Lesnar over than Ambrose. Sure, Lesnar is a legit badass, but if you're trying to get Ambrose over as someone that's truly insane, like Foley, they should have him go nuts and hit him with everything. The match was 10-15 minutes shorter than it should've been.

Jericho-Ambrose was a pointless angle. Ambrose is already over. Jericho can't make him any more over than he is. 12 months ago he could've, not now. Also no one buys Jericho as a massive heel. Everyone can see Jericho for what he is, a guy putting people over.

Ambrose needs a legit angle against a legit heel. Someone like Del Rio who fans don't really like, or Baron Corbin.

 

[Prince Vee]

I think that ambrose suffers from what I like to called the wyatt syndrome. Ambrose just like bray wyatt is a really great performer on the mic, he got energy and can really deliver then he get in the ring and nothing. Just like wyatt he just bland and uninteresting and that too bad since he could be a bigger superstar then both rollins and reigns if he wanted to but he's seem to be set on sticking with this persona and while it's a good persona, it needs to evolve and change a little bit so that it connects with the wwe audience during matches which he's not doing right now and it hurts him.

To be honest, I think Bray Wyatt got so much better in the ring. In fact he carried his feud with Roman Reigns both in the ring and on the mic. Initially, he wasn't all that great in the ring but he changed his fighting style and got more aggressive.

 

[OYDK]

While I don't agree with everything in the OP and kind of (completely) feel like wrestling fans are notorious for turning on their "favorites" after a couple years of shitty booking and a bit of character staleness, I agree that Ambrose needs to turn it up a notch. Jon Moxley was an incredible character with a whole bunch of depth, he really made you believe in what he was saying, and though I understand that the Moxley character can never work in the current WWE environment, Ambrose needs to find another gear. The problem with saying that is, he's not the one who decides how crazy his character is, he probably doesn't even get to cut his own promos. Ambrose is the perfect "lunatic" in a kiddie world, he's like a childhood movie villian. Really, what can he do other than turn heel and become darker? Problem with that? He doesn't decide when he turns.

He's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, but I guess that's not the question. To answer OP, yes I wouldn't mind seeing this incarnation of Ambrose as World Champ. He's entertaining, the fans love him, and he's great at selling his feuds. If you're going to be THAT selective about World Champions, no wonder we always had Cena and Orton rotating the strap for the last 10 years. And no wonder we'll see Reigns and Rollins trade it for the next 10 years.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

I, as well thought, that the Dean Ambrose of the Shield was the real deal.

I don't really mind the jokes and the faces, because yeah he's a wrestler and he also can have fun while he's in there. Why I don't like, is the faces he makes and the way he sells moves. When someone comes and hits you, you won't do these stupid faces Dean makes when selling. He makes the situation look less serious than what it is.

It's not like he's a bad actor. He's a good actor, placed in a bad character. The Lunatic Fringe is more like the Lunatic Cringe.

Also, let's take a look at his match ability. He had an impressive feud with Kevin Owens and many good matches. Then he drove the fans crazy when he stood up to Brock Lesnar. And then his match with Brock, a match that could show us if Dean was trully ready in the main event, absolutely sucked.

I don't know if it was the booking of the match by the bookers, or the talent in the ring themselves, but it was just a big glorified squash-match. Seriously. Those spam-suplexes need to stop. Or at least be revered somehow. They're killing Lesnar's matches and make them boring as hell. No, I didn't want Ambrose to win. The result does not make the star, the perfomance does (see Austin vs Hart, WM 13). This match really took away a lot of the momentum babyface Dean had.

And then he gets in a boring feud with Y2J. Really, I expected more to come from that.

I think that Dean can be saved and look like a star again with a heel turn. Face Dean has become boring and awkward for me. Dean's perfect as a heel.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Like a lot of other people, I like Ambrose. I think he can be pretty entertaining, on the whole, but I'm not all that wild about the somewhat whacky, zany character he's been portraying for a while. Ambrose when he's darker, more menacing and serious, like he was in the Shield, gave off more of a Stone Cold Steve Austin sort of vibe to me and it's just a more interesting character to me.

I think one reason why fans are still with Ambrose is because they know the talent is there; even if some aren't overly wild about where his character is, they know that he has the ability to be much more and they see that he puts a ton of effort into what he's given. A lot of wrestlers who sometimes get dumped on, in my opinion, don't get credit for genuinely putting all they have into trying to make something work and while Ambrose doesn't fit the bill of someone that's constantly dumped on, it's still a valid point.

I've enjoyed Ambrose's programs with Kevin Owens and I ultimately enjoyed everything he did with Chris Jericho, with the exception of the Asylum Match as this thing just didn't come off nearly as well in execution as it may have looked on paper. Like several other babyfaces in WWE, Vince has this tendency to try to make them too happy go lucky sometimes, a little too light hearted even when something happens to screw them over; this used to be the M.O. of John Cena up until the past several years and Ambrose just strikes me as someone who'd benefit more from a darker tweener persona.

 

[nwocongo]

He needs to evolve his character and his ring work. I want to like him but he has gotten kind of hard to keep an interest in. Partly because of his "Wyatt syndrome"/poor booking and partly because of the lack of depth in and out of the ring.

He is better than what he has been allowed to show in the ring on the main roster up to this point, but his worked punches ahould at least have the illusion of being legitimate strikes. Punches aside, IMO he needs to lose the slow motion suicide dive, the hyper little kid in the grocery store run and jump off the second turnbuckle and for the love of god the "lunatic lariat" is painful, do away with all of those lame spots and add some more stuff. His elbow drops and bulldog are decent and he's got a good finisher, I'd just like to see him tighten up some of the "lunatic" spots.

 

[MWRedskins]

honestly, i would love to see Ambrose (heel or face) as champion. my guess is that with the case, he'll eventually go heel and cash in on either a face Rollins or Reigns. Ambrose has the mic work to be great, his in ring skills aren't like Rollins' are, but he can go in the ring and puts on fine matches, so i would love him as champion. i think he'd be best as a heel champion, but even if he's a face, it'll be fun.

 

[L@RISANO]

Well, Dean Ambrose is the new WWE WORLD Heavyweight Champion coming out of WWE Money in the Bank, after he cashed in the MitB Briefcase he won earlier in the night.


As long as he gets booked more like a winner, I see no reason why he couldn't be taken seriously.... that said, with Battleground and then Summerslam coming up, I see either Reigns or Rollins getting the title back, as this clearly has been done to setup the long awaited SHIELD triple threat match so many have been looking forward to(myself included).

 

[Rhodes2TheFuture3313]

I think they wanted to ensure the SHIELD Triple Threat match happens around time of the brand split before the WWE WHC is split into 2 separate titles again. Ambrose will have a lengthy title run now. I can see him holding the title until Survivor Series. Heck maybe even Royal Rumble. Thank you WWE for finally giving Ambrose the TITLE.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Interesting turn of events, but I don't really see Ambrose holding the belt for long. I think all they're doing is setting up the Shield Triple Threat for Summerslam or actually already for Battleground... because since Rollins first won the belt back, both Rollins and Reigns - technically - have a rematch clause now.

My first thought was that the triple threat is going to happen at Summerslam, but now that I think about it, Battleground seems more logical and perhaps WWE is looking for a "bigger" WHC title match for Summerslam...

All in all I'm surprised with Dean winning and cashing in MITB right away, I'd had my money on Kevin Owens, since the concept so well suits his character. But I'm perfectly fine with this, Dean Ambrose definitely needed a boost after a somewhat flat year, despite working with some big names. Maybe this WHC win helps put him up on the same main event level as his former SHIELD mates (though Rollins got there more naturally, and Reigns more forced).

 

[Bockwinkel's Class]

Well, Dean Ambrose is the new WWE WORLD Heavyweight Champion coming out of WWE Money in the Bank, after he cashed in the MitB Briefcase he won earlier in the night.


As long as he gets booked more like a winner, I see no reason why he couldn't be taken seriously.... that said, with Battleground and then Summerslam coming up, I see either Reigns or Rollins getting the title back, as this clearly has been done to setup the long awaited SHIELD triple threat match so many have been looking forward to(myself included).

Notice he's had the belt less than 24 hours and smarks/IWC/hardcores are already trying to turn him heel lmao

 

[nwocongo]

Notice he's had the belt less than 24 hours and smarks/IWC/hardcores are already trying to turn him heel lmao

Indeed. Now that he is the "top guy" and will be getting a lot of tv time (shoved down our throats as the Smarks say), I expect some tunes to start changing and some supporters to become detractors. I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt claiming he's been hampered by booking and is much more capable in the ring of what he's shown in WWE but I've been pretty critical of him for the past year or so. I give it a month before people start making points that us critics have been making for the last 6 months.

-His character has become painfully predictable, he's the unpredictable lunatic yet he is very one dimensional and predictable in and out of the ring.
-He seems more stupid than crazy or unhinged.
-the rebound clothesline is awful.
-the suicide dive is comically slow and clunky. (despite being twice his size Harper pulls it off in a more athletic fashion)

All nitpicking aside, good for him, he's been in the business a long time and worked his ass off, now he's got the spot everyone chases.

 

[Spencesc11]

Wow people vent about Reigns and here the WWE puts the strap on Ambrose and fans are venting again!!! Give him a chance people... He has great mic skills and puts on a pretty solid match to boot. Hopefully he gets a chance to be the next big "main eventer" on the roster. Would love to see him feud with Styles, Wyatt again, and others. Dean isn't quite at Daniel Bryan's popularity level but the fans will embrace him as a "face" champion much better than Reigns. It may be time for the Reigns heel turn. Would love to see a "heel" samoan faction of Reigns, Samoa Joe, & The Usos. Also would like to see Rollins go "tweener" or "face" and pair with Ambrose again to do a DX like thing.

 

[nwocongo]

Wow people vent about Reigns and here the WWE puts the strap on Ambrose and fans are venting again!!! Give him a chance people... He has great mic skills and puts on a pretty solid match to boot. Hopefully he gets a chance to be the next big "main eventer" on the roster. Would love to see him feud with Styles, Wyatt again, and others. Dean isn't quite at Daniel Bryan's popularity level but the fans will embrace him as a "face" champion much better than Reigns. It may be time for the Reigns heel turn. Would love to see a "heel" samoan faction of Reigns, Samoa Joe, & The Usos. Also would like to see Rollins go "tweener" or "face" and pair with Ambrose again to do a DX like thing.

That's the world of Internet fanboy forums. Some of us here would still find something to bitch about even if "Insert favorite wrassler here" had the strap. Some people will never be completely content because everyone who's been watching WWE for 15+ years thinks that they could write better shows and book better programs.

Example- Philly Eagle fans who watched Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid win 4 or 5 division championships in a row at the turn of the century but still thought "we need a new quarterback" or Andy Reid is an overrated coach, anyone else would have 3 Super Bowl wins by now!". When people are passionate about something sometimes the overly critical thinking just comes with the territory.

 

[enviousdominous]

He's getting a Hell of a lot more discussion regarding what he might do as the champion than I remember Roman Reigns getting.

We'll have to wait until RAW tonight to see if this becomes anything really special. I'm hoping that Dean is allowed to be the forefront of the show as champion, rather than being a novelty champion who really just fills time while the writers bog down our senses with the AJ vs Cena feud.

 

[kadroan]

I, as well thought, that the Dean Ambrose of the Shield was the real deal.

I don't really mind the jokes and the faces, because yeah he's a wrestler and he also can have fun while he's in there. Why I don't like, is the faces he makes and the way he sells moves. When someone comes and hits you, you won't do these stupid faces Dean makes when selling. He makes the situation look less serious than what it is.

It's not like he's a bad actor. He's a good actor, placed in a bad character. The Lunatic Fringe is more like the Lunatic Cringe.

Also, let's take a look at his match ability. He had an impressive feud with Kevin Owens and many good matches. Then he drove the fans crazy when he stood up to Brock Lesnar. And then his match with Brock, a match that could show us if Dean was trully ready in the main event, absolutely sucked.

I don't know if it was the booking of the match by the bookers, or the talent in the ring themselves, but it was just a big glorified squash-match. Seriously. Those spam-suplexes need to stop. Or at least be revered somehow. They're killing Lesnar's matches and make them boring as hell. No, I didn't want Ambrose to win. The result does not make the star, the perfomance does (see Austin vs Hart, WM 13). This match really took away a lot of the momentum babyface Dean had.

And then he gets in a boring feud with Y2J. Really, I expected more to come from that.

I think that Dean can be saved and look like a star again with a heel turn. Face Dean has become boring and awkward for me. Dean's perfect as a heel.

Yeah, I loved him in The Shield. I don't know why they try to make him goofy with the talk show etc.