Is this Superstar a WWE Legend.... CM Punk

[5000]

This guy's definitely a TNA,ROH,Indies,and "EC-dub" Legend but is he a legend in the 'E' I remeber the pipe bomb he was almost the face of the company in 2011-2012 Had feud's with legends HHH,Cena,Taker,Orton,Rock,Kane,Y2J,Lesnar etc. Hell he's even was managed by the legendary Paul Heyman fought legends like JR,Lawler,Brett Hart,Vince Mcmahon (even though he got his as whooped),etc. He's feuded with Stone Cold for Years and he's known outside the WWE is Punk a legend and does he deserve this

 

[Kidpolean]

Not yet but he will be. I think Punk will be remembered much the same as Y2J. He could work with anybody, always had good matches, great on the mic, but never was the face of he company. I don't think he is at a legendary status at the moment. He needs his wrestlemania moment and a huge legendary match. MITB vs Cena was great but he needs to top that and do it at a bigger ppv. I say in 5 or 6 years from now, Punk will be a Top 20-30 wrestler of all time. The guy has been simply amazing and will surely be missed when he is gone.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

"Legend" is such a broad concept. Going by the standard of facing Main Eventers that you have mentioned, The Hurricane, Rikishi, Jamie Noble etc can be considered legends.

he was almost the face of the company in 2011-2012

What do you mean by "almost"? He was the top dog. His merchandise started outselling Cena's. You can't get more over than that.

He's feuded with Stone Cold for Years

Maybe I missed this. When have Stone Cold and CM Punk squared off? If you mean the comedy bits where Austin asks Punk if he wants a beer, that's not a feud. That's banter.

My definition of "Legend" stems off of if they are a household name or not. It's all about exposure and what you hear about them. John Cena is exposed; he is the top Make A Wish Foundation wish, starred in numerous movies, and even had his own rap album. People who don't watch wrestling know who Cena is.

Do they know who CM Punk is?

Hell if I rightly know, but if I go around asking people that I know don't watch WWE, I think they will say no. He isn't exposed enough.

 

[Kidpolean]

"Legend" is such a broad concept. Going by the standard of facing Main Eventers that you have mentioned, The Hurricane, Rikishi, Jamie Noble etc can be considered legends.



What do you mean by "almost"? He was the top dog. His merchandise started outselling Cena's. You can't get more over than that.



Maybe I missed this. When have Stone Cold and CM Punk squared off? If you mean the comedy bits where Austin asks Punk if he wants a beer, that's not a feud. That's banter.

My definition of "Legend" stems off of if they are a household name or not. It's all about exposure and what you hear about them. John Cena is exposed; he is the top Make A Wish Foundation wish, starred in numerous movies, and even had his own rap album. People who don't watch wrestling know who Cena is.

Do they know who CM Punk is?

Hell if I rightly know, but if I go around asking people that I know don't watch WWE, I think they will say no. He isn't exposed enough.

by your definition there are only 4 legends in the history of wrestling...Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena... I call those 4 icons to seperate them from the rest of the legends

 

[Spidey Revivey]

by your definition there are only 4 legends in the history of wrestling...Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena

Don't forget Andre The Giant.

There is absolutely no way to go into definition on what a Legend is. The Original Poster has not gave a specific definition, so we must make our own.

Unless you have a clear-cut answer to what makes a Legend, then I can say only a handful truly are.

I go by what they've done for the business, and if people know who they are. If I can pull a random person aside and ask them if they've heard of those 5 men, odds are they have.

I'm not saying CM Punk isn't a big name. That's dumb. But there is a difference in being a big name and being a Legend.

 

[H33LTurn]

I'm not a fan of calling superstars who are currently in their prime "legends". That name gets thrown around to people like Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton. Only someone like Cena deserves the title while being on the current roster because he could retire tomorrow and have accomplished more than most men who come after him will. So its not so much that Punk isn't a legend, its just that it undermines what he has left to accomplish as a superstar if you apply that label to him.

 

[Radical Canadian Goose]

Please dude, end this series of "is this wrestler a legend". The Cena thread was the worst question ever. Of course h is a legend, no questions asked. The Orton thread definitely can be argued, so good job there. The best legend of all time, easily Hogan, again no need for a thread. As for CM Punk, one day if he keeps up his momentum, he will become a legend. Right now he is an Indy star who paid his dues and made it big in the Big Leagues. 'Nuff said, he has no mainstream appeal, has several championship reigns but in todays WWE I could have several, so the title reigns mean nothing to me when it comes to legends on todays roster.

 

[Kidpolean]

Don't forget Andre The Giant.

There is absolutely no way to go into definition on what a Legend is. The Original Poster has not gave a specific definition, so we must make our own.

Unless you have a clear-cut answer to what makes a Legend, then I can say only a handful truly are.

I go by what they've done for the business, and if people know who they are. If I can pull a random person aside and ask them if they've heard of those 5 men, odds are they have.

I'm not saying CM Punk isn't a big name. That's dumb. But there is a difference in being a big name and being a Legend.

good catch there, I completely forgot about Andre. I see what your saying, it depends on what you call a legend. I don't think you should be called a legend until you retire unless you are in a position like John Cena is now

 

[Mr_billy]

Yes, athletes in other sports are adding him to their gear. In Chicago, he is more over than anyone else, pretty much ever. He also has banged a few of the hotter, most over divas. He was chosen to face the UnderTaker for the streak. Champ for the longest reign since Hogan. What else is he needing to do?

 

[Mac Attack]

I might come off somewhat sour about this topic but I'm simply voicing my opinion on the subject matter to which I feel a few will agree I suppose: There's no concrete method of defining a legend.

According to the online dictionary a legend is: an extremely famous or notorious person, esp. in a particular field.

Now seeing that the question or topic of the threads has consistently been Is _____ a legend I think the answer to Punk, Cena, Orton, would all have to be yes. And even more so I feel that if going by the working definition of the word legend then it be necessary to include guys like Mysterio, Big Show, Sin Cara, Alberto Del Rio, Christian, Jericho, Edge, Kingston, etc. Now why do I say that because every one of those superstars fulfills the requirements that they are widely famous in the particular field of wrestling albeit in given places.

However...

Anyone who knows wrestling or speaks wrestling knows that this is absolutely not the case as to how we define legend. We define legend by someone whose legacy will carry on no matter what, who's impact and significance are large and who is in general a great member of the WWE/wrestling universe.

So do guys like Cena and Punk have a legacy yet? Or for that matter fulfill the general requirements of legend of the general wrestling fan. The answer is most likely no.

 

[InstantAttitude]

When the time comes, and his career is over.
Yes he will be considered a legend. But now? No.

 

[Jaffa]

How is Punk a TNA legend or EC-Dub legend he was in WWECW for 2 years and spent a significant time losing to John Morrison he was hardly a legend. I think Punk will go down as a great wrestler however I have a feeling his legacy will be overshadowed by John Cena and Randy Orton. However only time will tell about that but I think he will be the 3rd biggest legend in his time span. As someone else said he is very similar to Chris Jericho.

 

[Kris Benwa]

I would say if Punk is not a legend now he definitely will be by time he's done. He held the WWE title for 434 days which is pretty damn remarkable IMO, all he needs is that Royal Rumble win and special WrestleMania moment and he's got locked in

 

[Maverick T Kenderson]

CM Punk is a legend already. All this Cena made movies and sold album stuff makes him a great superstar not a wrestling legend. Punk started his career by forming his own federation. Then when he went to ROH he became a top trainer in his twenties. What is John Cena going to train? How to do shoulder blocks and fist drops? Oh and how to get cheap pops. He is Hogan. or Ultimate Warrior an average worker who became the face because he appealed to non wrestling fans. Punk is a legend to WRESTLING fans because he can wrestle, be slick on the stick (to quote hbk) and really make wrestling interesting for smarks because he swerves and blurs the line between shoot and Kayfabe.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I voted Yes, because I think when all is said and done, CM Punk will be held up there with the very best the WWE has ever seen, he is that talented.

While it can be argued that perhaps he has never been THE face of the company (nobody is going to take that spot from Cena just yet), Punk has done it all in WWE, and is likely going to do it all again before he is through.

But what I think makes him a legend is how he has broken barriers and forced people to take notice of him, give him what he deserves and how he has changed people's opinions of him through hard work and his exceptional talent. He has never looked like a conventional WWE Champion, but has worked harder than anyone to get to the top, and forced the company to get behind him. To hold the WWE title for more than a year in the era we are in now is incredible and shows what a talent CM Punk is.

Great in the ring, great on the mic, great connection with the fans...CM Punk is the real deal and when all is said and done he will be a Hall of Famer and regarded as a legend to many.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I definitely think that he will be, but he isn't yet.

In all honesty, he just made it to the top and he is now in the prime of his career. He has a lot left and there are several more things that he can accomplish. I've enjoyed CM Punk for years now and I definitely think that his place and legacy in the WWE has been cemented. I mean, the fact that he was the WWE Champion for 434 consecutive days pretty much guarantees that he'll be a legend of the WWE.

 

[Pepper Lewis]

This guy's definitely a TNA,ROH,Indies,and "EC-dub" Legend but is he a legend in the 'E' I remeber the pipe bomb he was almost the face of the company in 2011-2012 Had feud's with legends HHH,Cena,Taker,Orton,Rock,Kane,Y2J,Lesnar etc. Hell he's even was managed by the legendary Paul Heyman fought legends like JR,Lawler,Brett Hart,Vince Mcmahon (even though he got his as whooped),etc. He's feuded with Stone Cold for Years and he's known outside the WWE is Punk a legend and does he deserve this

*** When it all comes down to an end! CM Punk will be remembered as way OVERRATED! He really isn't a good wrestler, Sloppy execution of moves, was too small to compete with the BIG STARS! Kinda Boring on mic! He was ONLY famous, because WWE didn't have a lot of talent during his time in WWE! He would have NEVER made it, in the GOLDEN ERA's of 80s and 90s ATTITUDE ERA!

 

[Pepper Lewis]

When the time comes, and his career is over.
Yes he will be considered a legend. But now? No.

*** When it all comes down to an end! CM Punk will be remembered as way OVERRATED! He really isn't a good wrestler, Sloppy execution of moves, was too small to compete with the BIG STARS! Kinda Boring on mic! He was ONLY famous, because WWE didn't have a lot of talent during his time in WWE! He would have NEVER made it, in the GOLDEN ERA's of 80s and 90s ATTITUDE ERA!

 

[Pepper Lewis]

I voted Yes, because I think when all is said and done, CM Punk will be held up there with the very best the WWE has ever seen, he is that talented.

While it can be argued that perhaps he has never been THE face of the company (nobody is going to take that spot from Cena just yet), Punk has done it all in WWE, and is likely going to do it all again before he is through.

But what I think makes him a legend is how he has broken barriers and forced people to take notice of him, give him what he deserves and how he has changed people's opinions of him through hard work and his exceptional talent. He has never looked like a conventional WWE Champion, but has worked harder than anyone to get to the top, and forced the company to get behind him. To hold the WWE title for more than a year in the era we are in now is incredible and shows what a talent CM Punk is.

Great in the ring, great on the mic, great connection with the fans...CM Punk is the real deal and when all is said and done he will be a Hall of Famer and regarded as a legend to many.

*** When it all comes down to an end! CM Punk will be remembered as way OVERRATED! He really isn't a good wrestler, Sloppy execution of moves, was too small to compete with the BIG STARS! Kinda Boring on mic! He was ONLY famous, because WWE didn't have a lot of talent during his time in WWE! He would have NEVER made it, in the GOLDEN ERA's of 80s and 90s ATTITUDE ERA!

 

[Pepper Lewis]

Not yet but he will be. I think Punk will be remembered much the same as Y2J. He could work with anybody, always had good matches, great on the mic, but never was the face of he company. I don't think he is at a legendary status at the moment. He needs his wrestlemania moment and a huge legendary match. MITB vs Cena was great but he needs to top that and do it at a bigger ppv. I say in 5 or 6 years from now, Punk will be a Top 20-30 wrestler of all time. The guy has been simply amazing and will surely be missed when he is gone.

*** cm punk, belongs with Talent Level like EDGE, Christian, RVD, Jeff hardy, THESE GUYS were only champions, cause WWE was low on TOP TIER SUPER STARS! These Guys would have been Jobbers or lower card in GOLDER ERA's of Wrestling!

JERICHO is in the Level of EDDIE GUERRERO, Chris Benoit, ( Very Talented Skilled Technicians, but weren't MEGA STARS Like THE ROCK, HOGAN, AUSTIN

 

[Pepper Lewis]

I voted Yes, because I think when all is said and done, CM Punk will be held up there with the very best the WWE has ever seen, he is that talented.

While it can be argued that perhaps he has never been THE face of the company (nobody is going to take that spot from Cena just yet), Punk has done it all in WWE, and is likely going to do it all again before he is through.

But what I think makes him a legend is how he has broken barriers and forced people to take notice of him, give him what he deserves and how he has changed people's opinions of him through hard work and his exceptional talent. He has never looked like a conventional WWE Champion, but has worked harder than anyone to get to the top, and forced the company to get behind him. To hold the WWE title for more than a year in the era we are in now is incredible and shows what a talent CM Punk is.

Great in the ring, great on the mic, great connection with the fans...CM Punk is the real deal and when all is said and done he will be a Hall of Famer and regarded as a legend to many.

***cm punk is way overrated! Sloppy wrestling, poor execution of moves, very small body frame, overall bad look!** He was only holding the title for 400 days, so THE ROCK can have his WrestleMania Moment! SUPER BORING ON THE MIC, and cm punk is NOT ORIGINAL, he copies ever aspect of his character! Copied his moves from Japanese Wrestler, copies the MACHO MAN with that TERRIBLE elbow of top rope ( cm punk does it super sloppy and ackward looking!) Try's to copy RIC FLAIR's old heat with the fans! Look at the REALLY GOOD WRESTLERS, EDDIE GUERRERO, Shawn Michaels, etc.. cm punk can never, and will never execute at their level! He is not athletic! There is lots more, but cm punk WILL NEVER BE A LEGEND! just a overrated guy!

 

[MCMG]

I think it is fair to call Punk a legend of the WWE. His title reign was of a very high quality and that is what will make him stand out in the history books. That and some of the great matches he has had. His matches with Cena, Lesnar and WM29 match (and feud) with The Undertaker were of a very high quality.

While I do think the term "legend" is used very loosely, I think Punk is someone that warrants the label. He has been a top guy for a couple of years and still has another few years left. I think that he can completely ensure his legacy as a legend with another World title reign and a few more 5 star matches.

 

[pkrebel]

Only Kane and John Cena I would consider legends on the current roster (Triple H and Undertaker if you want to count the part timers), Punk is a big name no doubt and he will become a legend but his not quite there yet.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

***cm punk is way overrated! Sloppy wrestling, poor execution of moves, very small body frame, overall bad look!** He was only holding the title for 400 days, so THE ROCK can have his WrestleMania Moment! SUPER BORING ON THE MIC, and cm punk is NOT ORIGINAL, he copies ever aspect of his character! Copied his moves from Japanese Wrestler, copies the MACHO MAN with that TERRIBLE elbow of top rope ( cm punk does it super sloppy and ackward looking!) Try's to copy RIC FLAIR's old heat with the fans! Look at the REALLY GOOD WRESTLERS, EDDIE GUERRERO, Shawn Michaels, etc.. cm punk can never, and will never execute at their level! He is not athletic! There is lots more, but cm punk WILL NEVER BE A LEGEND! just a overrated guy!

Calm yourself

Name me another wrestler who has used a straight edge persona like Punk, clearly not a copied persona. He uses the Macho Man elbow drop AS A TRIBUTE, just like other wrestlers have used moves in tribute to past performers- how many wrestlers have used powerbombs, piledrivers, superkicks, frog splashes etc.

Boring on the mic....are you for real? A good promo is not just throwing a load of catchphrases, CM Punk is fantastic on the mic, his "breaking the 4th wall" speech on the stage was brilliant...and have you seen his heel mic work in ROH, world class again.

So what if he doesnt have a superhuman physique. Is this Vince McMahon I'm talking to??? Punk looks like a regular guy, which is part of his appeal. It's obvious he doesn't have a great body but as I said before, that hasn't held him back and he got to the top of the WWE despite that because of his talent in the ring and on the mic.

I agree that Michaels and Guerrero are great performers also, HBK is a true legend and Eddie arguably is up there too, but you can't deny Punk is at least on Eddie's level.

And as for the 400 day title reign...do you really think the only reason he held it was for Rock to beat him? Dwayne could have beaten anyone for the title, and Vince wouldn't have kept the belt on Punk that long if he wasn't producing. It was the longest title reign in many years for a reason.