Is the TNA K.O. division being phased out?

[jaxx]

I don't know about anyone else but i'm beginning to worry about the ko division. I started this thread to see if anyone else is as worried as I am about the amount of talent being let go. I love watching the ko division and apparently a lot of you do also because it's always the highest rated segment. The thing that I love about this division is that the women can actually wrestle!!! The division use to be very diverse or in some opinion still is, but lately TNA has been releasing or allowing talent to leave.

First it was Alysa Flash, then kong, traci, and now roxxi. My question is, what is TNA doing to the k.o. division? Are they trying to get rid of it all together or are they trying to mirror wwe's women's division with the same cookie cutter looking women?

 

[GenMe]

Worried i dont think so, IMO now the KO Division is getting stale same as the Divas Division over in WWE. yesterdays segment was just a waste of time with TBP beating the hell out of Love. I really want to see the KO succeed but as of right now i really have my hopes down, When Daffney and Tara when at it, I was like hell yeah this is what i really want to see a bad ass beat down between both of them, I really thought that this was going to become into a good KO feud. But instead if giving both Daff and tara some TV time they give it to TBP come on they dont got shit to win at all. Honestly i really hope that the KO division gets back up, because if they dont the KO division will be a done deal and go down to the ground.

I didnt knew that Roxxi was also release dam that fucking sucks.

 

[Saddler The Great]

I don't know about anyone else but i'm beginning to worry about the ko division. I started this thread to see if anyone else is as worried as I am about the amount of talent being let go. I love watching the ko division and apparently a lot of you do also because it's always the highest rated segment. The thing that I love about this division is that the women can actually wrestle!!! The division use to be very diverse or in some opinion still is, but lately TNA has been releasing or allowing talent to leave.

First it was Alysa Flash, then kong, traci, and now roxxi. My question is, what is TNA doing to the k.o. division? Are they trying to get rid of it all together or are they trying to mirror wwe's women's division with the same cookie cutter looking women?

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I saw that they released Roxxi. I watched last night's impact, and saw the only time that KOs got was the beat down by TBP on Love. There wasn't even a KO's match, and TNA never does that....wtf? I think with the move to Mondays, they are doing exactly what WWE is doing with their women's division, and giving only the sexy KOs the TV time and leaving out the good wrestlers...(ex. Wtf happened to Taylor & Sarita) Although TBP draws (I'm not sure if they do draw as much ratings since Love left) I think this is a dumb move by TNA because if there is ONE thing that TNA is definately 100% better at than WWE, it's women's wrestling. Now I see why that thread was made a while back saying that Love leaving was possibly the best thing to happen for TNA, and this is coming from someone who loves Velvet and Angelina.

 

[Slyfox696]

In my mind, this is a great move, as it shows that TNA is finally committed to being a big time player in the wrestling market. Women's wrestling doesn't draw on the big time...never has, never will. Why would you waste your time with something that doesn't draw?

Oh, I know all the women's wrestling fans will come out and say stuff about how the Knockouts used to have the highest rated segments, but get a clue. When you're the highest rated segment and you score only a 1.15, then it's obviously you are not big time. Women's wrestling doesn't draw, so get them out of the way and give it to the men, the ones who DO draw.

The more I watch TNA, the more I'm convinced they are headed in the right direction. And if they get rid of women's wrestling, then it will only further my conviction.

 

[Frozentrash75]

Yeah this is starting to get a little scary the two things that TNA does have over TNA the good womens division and the X Division are starting to get phased out. I'm worried that TNA believes to compete with WWE they have to be a WWE clone and i hope that isn't true. I mean last night there was no Knockouts match and the X Division champion got squashed in like 2 minutes thats not a good sign.

 

[jaxx]

In my mind, this is a great move, as it shows that TNA is finally committed to being a big time player in the wrestling market. Women's wrestling doesn't draw on the big time...never has, never will. Why would you waste your time with something that doesn't draw?

Oh, I know all the women's wrestling fans will come out and say stuff about how the Knockouts used to have the highest rated segments, but get a clue. When you're the highest rated segment and you score only a 1.15, then it's obviously you are not big time. Women's wrestling doesn't draw, so get them out of the way and give it to the men, the ones who DO draw.

The more I watch TNA, the more I'm convinced they are headed in the right direction. And if they get rid of women's wrestling, then it will only further my conviction.

I will have to disagree with you there, because from a male point of view, I love watching women who can actually wrestle!! If they are beautiful, sexy, and can wrestle thats a plus. But they definitely don't have to look that way, all i care about is if they can wrestle. I believe a good, credible women's division can bring in a diverse viewer ship. Most men love watching women wrestle, and i'm sure there are women out there who like as well.

 

[Kenny Powers]

When you look at the Knockouts Division now, I wouldn't say it is cookie cutter with Daffney and Tara. ODB isn't a cookie cutter diva either. It's not like TNA fired all of the Knockouts. Flash and Kong have asked for their release for a while now and finally got it. I'm not losing sleep over it because women's wrestling will never be as popular as men's.

I'm not being sexist or saying men wrestle better or anything, its just a fact that people pay to see men wrestling instead of women or midgets for that matter. The knockouts don't give TNA their ratings. Anything the Knockouts did in the past, Hogan has achieved ten times in the ratings. I actually never liked women's wrestling until I watched the Knockouts in action in TNA though.

I don't think they are doing away with them completely, they are just cutting the fat. I mean Traci Brooks and Roxxi aren't really considered huge loses any way.

 

[ImpactPlayer27]

You know I wouldn't be having any kind of opinion with this if it weren't for the fact that Awesome Kong is apparently out and you gotta wonder what this does with those KO tag titles since Kong and Hamada are the champs. ALso, when was the last time we saw Sarita and Taylor Wilde in action. Do I think it's being phased out? No. But then again, I think EVERYTHING is falling apart in TNA. The X-Division, The KO Division, The Six Sided Ring, Hogan and Flair wrestling, bringing the WWE's table scraps. This is the evolution for TNA? More like it's destruction because I know it's transition, but only change I'm seeing is for the worse. ANd I'm dying to see them prove me wrong

 

[Greenlight13]

Does appear to be heading that way doesn't it? I mean Tara and Hamada and ODB and I guess Daffney (though I'm not as fussed about her as some people seem to be) are still about but they've been slowly but surely moving away from the womens wrestling and towards the hot chicks rolling around style. Perhaps trying to copy WWE? Perhaps wanting to focus on women who are attractive first, good wrestlers second? Perhaps we're jumping the gun? Who knows.

While it is true that women don't draw, I will outright fastforward a WWE women's match whereas with TNA I normally give it a watch. It'll never be as good, but a lot of it isn't so bad... until recently anyway. Just seems that even with Kong et al there it has gone to pot over the last few months. D'Amore was brought back in to run it, the guy that ran it when it was at its best, then cut loose again.... right? (I didn't dream this did I?) Just seems they don't care anymore.

In my opinion bringing in Knockout Tag Titles was a mistake as it spread the roster too thin. The women have proven they are capable of getting viewers and while they shouldn't be the focus, they're still a big part of what makes them different to the WWE.

Oh, and anyone else think Kong's going to end up in ROH as well as being back in Shimmer? I can just see her as part of the Embassy. Anyway, forget that, that's probably spam, focus on the rest of the comment yeah?

 

[Pedro08]

I think the biggest mistake Hogan/Bischoff have made since they began is to de-emphasize both the Knockouts and the X-Division. I'm not saying make the show completely one or the other, but I would have rather watch a KO match or an X- Division match than all the backstage skits we've been getting, especially the last 3 weeks.

Going head-to head with RAW, it would seem to be better to try to highlight how TNA is different than RAW rather than trying to be WWE lite.

 

[ABMorales787]

I disagree. TNA is packed to the rafters in people right now and don't have enough space to put them. They need to lose weight and unfortunately these women are the top candidates. Kong wasn't happy, so why hold her captive. Traci wasn't even in TV. In 2 and a half years, she only had about 2 months of exposure. So why keep her. Alissa Flash was also not too pleased, so why keep her against her wishes. Roxxi. Wait, again? Why did they even get her back?

Honestly it's better this than the male talent. Thats the focus of the company. Knockouts are always good to see because they provide a good matchup and give a different fell to the program. We can't think TNA is stupid enough to get rid of something they have thats better than WWE.

 

[XgringolocoX]

I don't think the releases mean that the KO division is in danger of being phased out. The poor showing they get on TV is more troublesome. A lot with TNA I try to take as growing pains right now. The new regime, new talent being brought in..it'll be a bit before they hit their stride.

 

[Shock]

See now, I don't believe that women's wrestling doesn't draw. On the contrary, I quite enjoy it (real women professional wrestlers, not WWE's crap). However, it does not draw when compared to male wrestling. When both are put into a single company, male seems to always do better. One of the biggest indy companies in the world, SHIMMER, is all-women wrestling. They do fine. It's simply when women are compared to men that they don't draw.

As for TNA? Yes, I believe they are being somewhat phased. Some people I see say the X-Division as well, but there are plenty of good tag matches, etcetera on these days with them. And Destination X is coming up, which should be nice. But for the women? With Roxxi and Traci leaving, two Knockouts that have been with TNA for a while, and the Beautiful People rivalry being ferociously set upon us, it is possible that it may become neglected like WWE's. Sad, but possible.

 

[mister_b1LL]

I'm with Kenny on this one. They're not getting rid of the Knockouts division altogether. They're just trimming the fat. I'll start complaining when members of The Beautiful People (especially my dear Madison), Tara, or Daffney get the boot.

I think TNA also knows that they can't get rid of the division altogether. There are people that list the KO's as a major reason why they watch TNA. Same with the X-Division. You drop what people love the most and you will watch the popularity drop. Doesn't matter if you have Hogan, Bischoff, Flair, or the Easter Bunny on TNA. People will stop watching because you took their favorite part of the night.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The Knockout Division is no longer the powerhouse of women's wrestling that it once was. The Knockout Tag Team Championship hasn't been defended in months. It's been at least a month, if not longer, since I last saw Taylor Wilde and Sarita. The Knockout title in and of itself has lost a lot of prestige with TNA playing hot potato with it between ODB and Tara. In some ways, the title never really recovered from having Cody Deaner involved in a run for it.

Now, in TNA, Knockout segments have often been among the highest, if not the highest, rated segments of iMPACT! and, more often than not, those segments have involved The Beautiful People. As for the overall drawing power of women's wrestling, I'm not really convinced that it's a draw. While I know there are some damn good women wrestlers and companies that have damn good women's wrestling, that doesn't mean that those women or those companies draw big crowds.

There have been a few times in the WWE, it was the WWF at the time, in which the company did put some semi-serious effort into women's wrestling. In the mid to late 80s, the WWF did have something of actual women's wrestling. They even had a women's tag team championship for a brief period. The WWF revived the WWF Women's Championship in the mid 90s and there were times in which you saw some pretty good matches involving some women wrestlers. I just haven't really seen anything to suggest that women's wrestling can have sustainable, long lasting effects on the ratings.

In TNA, TBP are the biggest draws among the Knockouts hands down and it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with their wrestling ability. TBP haven't really had much of a reason to go on for quite a while now other than the fact that they're three hot girls wearing skimpy outfits that do draw good ratings, at least good ratings TNA wise.

 

[wushady]

I don't think it will go away completely, but Bischoff and Hogan aren't big fans of women wrestling. They have pretty much turned TNA into WCW2. They never had a womens title in WCW. So I wouldn't be surprised if they show less womens wrestling, and just use them in skits, and for eye candy.

 

[jaxx]

I'm trying to be patient with all of the changes being made, but i'm really starting to worry about the direction the company is heading. I don't want to see wcw2 or wwe lite, I want TNA! The same company that caught my eye by putting on awesome x-division matches, and then awesome k.o. matches. If they phase out the k.o. division and the x-division, i'm done watching TNA, because its the k.o. division and the x-division that separates them from the wwe and everyone else.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'm a bit worried about the Knockouts division myself. I thought that the creation of the Knockouts Tag Team titles was a brilliant idea at the time, and the Knockouts had such a great division.... However, it does seem to be quietly being phased out at the moment. Impact just isn't the same without Taylor and Sarita, where on earth have they been? Also, the Knockout Tag Team Champions have not been onscreen or mentioned in weeks. Tara is the Knockout Champion, she's been mentioned less and less. The only girls getting any time onscreen are Angelina and the BP.... Not that I don't like them, because I do! but still.... the champions need to be on every show appearing at least once, they ARE champions after all. I think they might be phasing out the division other than the more attractive girls so that they will get more viewers when going up against WWE. Phasing out the division is a really bad idea though, because having a better female division was one of the few things that TNA was absolutely killing WWE at when you compare the two products.

 

[Tastycles]

The knockouts' division is certainly being used less, and that is a good thing. Women need to be on the card, because they break things up a bit, but they don't need to be a focal point and a company that uses them as that will never get anywhere. The knockouts are not a draw, despite what shitty infinitesimal ratings changes suggest, and the knockouts tag titles was an unecessary title addition. Right now, the Beautiful People and Angelina Love are feudingand Daffney is going apeshit, readyy for a title shot. That's two feuds, and it's plenty. When you have two hours to fill, you fill it with people that are current draws or that have the potential to draw, and the knockouts are not that. WCW managed to be the number one company without a women's division, and I don't see why TNA can't. I don't care about any of the knockouts, and if you think ODB slapping her arse and Angelina Love stradling a rope is good wrestling, then power to you, but the quality of the division is greatly overrated.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think they are getting enough time, building to two interesting PPV matches. Some kind of street fight type deal with Tara, maybe ODB and Daffney (who will take a sick bump in the match guaranteed) and Sky-Love. The problem is that when they have actually been wrestling it hasn't quite been up to the quality they have shown they are capable. Either the choice of talent to put in the match, the time allotted or the way the match is supposed to advance the story are all hindering the wrestling quality. This is something happening in almost all the divisions though. I do think the wrestling quality has improved some recently and will probably continue to as everyone settles in to their "new" roles. I do suspect that the womens tag title will disappear soon because there just is not room for it.