The Knockout division isn't that bad

[Superstar77]

I'm probably in the small minority but I don't think the Knockout division needs to be "saved." Also I love the fact that Angelina Love & Velvet Sky are the faces of the division now. They are the biggest draws in the division and IMO should be the focus. I feel that people should be glad that TNA for once made something they created as the face of one of their divisions.

As for Mickie James. I admit I haven't really cared about her since 2006 but she could be a good addition to the division. I just don't feel she should be the centerpiece of the division or that she is its savior.

Also they could easily fix the problems in the division. First scrap the KO tag titles and have all of the women compete for the KO title. Second just utilize the women they have now and book them to their strengths. Believe it or not there is still talent in the division it just needs to be booked properly.

This is the KO roster that will compete for the KO title
Angelina Love - Knockout Champion
Velvet Sky
Madison Rayne
Tara
Taylor Wilde
Daffney
Sarita
Hamada
Mickie James

Everyone else
Lacey Von Erich - If TNA wants to keep her they need to really get her trained properly.
So Cal Val - Could be a manager for the division
Cookie (Becky Bayless) - Also a manger and part time wrestler
Miss Tessmacher - Knockout Law (Though I have heard she has been and is training to wrestle)
Christy Hemme - Continues to be the backstage interviewer

In closing I just don't think the KO division is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. The main problems I see with the division is the booking and writing.

Thoughts?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The reason they're all upset is because one-trick ponies like ODB and Kong are gone, but frankly, as much as I hate womens wrestling in general, I've never been as interested in it as I am now. Kong bored the fuck out of me. We get it, she's big and dominant, but the performers they have in James, Daffney, Sarita, etc. etc. are all more than capable of putting on entertaining (enough) wrestling matches.

I actually think the mutiny within the Beautiful People really helped to sustain the division, too, and the James début will only help that moving forward now. Puts a lot of value into the title when it's this hardly fought after (which can't be said the same for regarding the Knockouts tag titles).

 

[Rasha]

I never saw the value in ODB. I enjoyed the Gail Kim/Kong feud, but once that was over Kong got old quickly as well. The current roster is very solid and actually think they should do more with Hamada. Get her away from Wilde and give her a run as the Knockout Champ, setting a new standard for the actual WRESTLING in the division. The rest of the KOs would get jealous of her success and any of them could easily go heel on her.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I never saw the value in ODB. I enjoyed the Gail Kim/Kong feud, but once that was over Kong got old quickly as well. The current roster is very solid and actually think they should do more with Hamada. Get her away from Wilde and give her a run as the Knockout Champ, setting a new standard for the actual WRESTLING in the division. The rest of the KOs would get jealous of her success and any of them could easily go heel on her.

Not without a mouth piece. Having Hamada as Knockouts Champion is about as useless as having Amazing Red as X Division Champion. Just because they both do high spots and entertain the crowd doesn't make them good candidates — neither has a fucking personality, and with Hamada you've got a serious language barrier to try and overcome.

Any feuds with Hamada as champion would be boring as hell if she didn't have a mouthpiece to speak for her (which would basically necessitate that she also be a heel champion a la Kong).

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

As more of a WWE fan than TNA fan, I've always been bothered by a lot of things in TNA. But I have to say, the KO division is actually one of the good parts of TNA. I think it was better just a little while ago, but it's still going strong IMO. Being a small division, like all women's wrestling, they're able to maintain strong feuds and they have better writing/personnel for that. As long as the addition of Mickey James doesn't screw with the flow of things right now I think it's got a good run ahead too. TNA has been so in love with WWE cast outs that they tend to dominate storylines (see: BFG main event). Now, obviously the KO division is different, but Mickey James is actually a very good wrestler and would have a legitimite shot at being the top KO. Let's just see where they take it and hope the decent writing continues.

I do agree, however, that they need to get rid of the tag belts. They're not defended very often on iMPACT because the KO division usually doesn't get more than one segment. And that's obviously going to be dominated by TBP, being that they're the highlight of that division.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I actually agree that Division does not need fixing or saving. The addition of Mickie James to the Knockouts make it even more interesting. I also Loved Kong but it get old with a dominating the whole division. Right now I think that division is the most interesting we've seen awhile because we have interesting characters. The BP storyline has been interesting and having Mickie now involved makes it even better. Quite frankly I don't think the division needs any saving.

 

[Klown_Karnage]

To be honest, for the most part, the Knockout division is the one section of TNA that doesn't need to be saved. It just needs to be maintained. One thing that I've seen with TNA is that they've always tried to be everything that the WWE isn't. TNA is bloody, brutal, does all the things that the WWE has banned, and actually seems to spend time and effort in developing and diversifying their female division. Instead of simply focusing on eye-candy, TNA has at least attempted to crank up the actual wrestling and, at least to some extent, made their division diverse enough in personality and body type to remain interesting. With The Awesome Kong returning soon (if rumors are true) this is even more so.

The one thing I'd suggest in this division is to bring the hardcore back. I can recall a long time ago when they had what were known as the "Bimbo Brawls" which were total hardcore-fests involving two Knockouts and a shopping-cart full of blunt objects each. I figure, if the guys can handle it (as we've often seen) then the gals should at least be able to grab a chair and make use of it now and then.

All in all, though, TNA is the place if you actually want to see some decent female wrestling.

 

[Rasha]

Not without a mouth piece. Having Hamada as Knockouts Champion is about as useless as having Amazing Red as X Division Champion. Just because they both do high spots and entertain the crowd doesn't make them good candidates — neither has a fucking personality, and with Hamada you've got a serious language barrier to try and overcome.

Any feuds with Hamada as champion would be boring as hell if she didn't have a mouthpiece to speak for her (which would basically necessitate that she also be a heel champion a la Kong).

We're not talking about the WHC here, and even there we've seen silent guys excel (Sting '96, Goldberg). If Hamada came out and put on a great in-ring show, that would be enough for the TNA audience. The language barrier could even be an endearing trait if the crowd was behind her. Even though she speaks much better english, it's not like Gail Kim ever cut great promos.

As long as you had quality heels like The Beautiful People, Mickie, or Tara to do a lot of the talking, you could make it work. A running story where all of these women turn on Hamada for showing them all up in the ring, mixed with the unspoken aspect of her being from another country, would sell the angle.

 

[Superstar77]

As for Chelsea I would keep her as a valet for now. She's rarely on Impact so I forgot to mention her.

 

[SpecialFNK]

I love the Knockout division. most of these women are hot! and to me that's the most important part. I personally don't even care if they can wrestle. put them in something sexy and let them get it on in the ring.

the best part of the Knockouts is the entrance of the Beautiful People. when they bend over the 2nd rope getting in the ring, money!

I'm so happy Kong is gone. she was UGLY. one less fat chick I have to watch on TV. ODB also UGLY. looked like a tranny. get it naked and it might have a penis.

would love to see Tessmacher(Brooke Adams) get in the ring, she also has a great body.

I wonder what they are going to do with Chelsea. IMO she is the hottest of all the females in TNA. isn't Wolfe hurt and could miss significant time? only time I've seen Chelsea was something involving Wolfe.
maybe get Chelsea to be a valet for one of the Knockouts, and sometimes get her in some type of action in the ring.

 

[the420something]

I don't know if the division needs "saving" but I do believe 9 ladies does not a division make. I enjoyed the beautiful people, but it's gotten stale. I'm hoping with Mickie coming over, maybe Roxxi could back up? I really want to see "The Queen of Hardcore" go against the only woman to compete in Clockwork Orange Funhouse Match.

(sidenote: What if Mickie is revealed to be part of the "Deception" angle on Sunday? I mean she is the special guest referee.)

 

[Superstar77]

I think having 9 to 10 competitiors for the Knockout division is fine. Honestly I think all of the women should be gunning for one title which is the Knockout title. Also TNA really does need to scrap the KO tag titles IMO.

 

[Arkham Noir]

I enjoy the knockouts much more than the WWE divas. The knockouts are just more entetaining for me. The division as a whole is rock solid as far as I'm concerned. Although and still have a hard time rapping my head around them having a tag-title, but yeah I agree with you, they aren't bad.

By the way Zino, nothing is better than reading a post and seeing Velvet sky at the end.Nothing.

 

[a0161613]

The problem I have with what you are saying is this.

Angelina Love - Knockout Champion
Velvet Sky
Madison Rayne
Tara

These are THE faces of the KO division. James will probably slot in with whoever is winner at BFG. Velvet is the least capable girl out of the four but Mickie could have great matches with anyone.

Taylor Wilde
Daffney
Sarita
Hamada

Unfortunately these girls will not be getting a look in, despite being extremely talented workers.

Everyone else
Lacey Von Erich - If TNA wants to keep her they need to really get her trained properly.
So Cal Val - Could be a manager for the division
Cookie (Becky Bayless) - Also a manger and part time wrestler
Miss Tessmacher - Knockout Law (Though I have heard she has been and is training to wrestle)
Christy Hemme - Continues to be the backstage interviewer

Hemme has retired from in the ring and the other four do not deserve to be anything but eye candy.

TNA has strength in depth, it has got worse in the past year but still isnt that bad. The problem with it is that they focus on the same four. Girls like Daffney and Hamada don't get a shot. Nothing makes me think this is going to change.

 

[Superstar77]

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I know Christy has retired from in ring action that's why I said she would continue to be an interviewer. I also never said anything about So Cal Val becoming a wrestler but I think she does have personality and could be a manager for someone in the division.

As for the rest I didn't say anything about them being full time competitors or even wrestling for the KO title.

 

[Vintage Nick]

I love the Knockout division. most of these women are hot! and to me that's the most important part. I personally don't even care if they can wrestle. put them in something sexy and let them get it on in the ring.

the best part of the Knockouts is the entrance of the Beautiful People. when they bend over the 2nd rope getting in the ring, money!

I'm so happy Kong is gone. she was UGLY. one less fat chick I have to watch on TV. ODB also UGLY. looked like a tranny. get it naked and it might have a penis.

would love to see Tessmacher(Brooke Adams) get in the ring, she also has a great body.

I wonder what they are going to do with Chelsea. IMO she is the hottest of all the females in TNA. isn't Wolfe hurt and could miss significant time? only time I've seen Chelsea was something involving Wolfe.
maybe get Chelsea to be a valet for one of the Knockouts, and sometimes get her in some type of action in the ring.

Great thinking right there.

Anyways, I don't think the Division needs "saving" right now. They aren't the best, but they're not the worst. I enjoyed the matches and feuds lately (though this week's iMPACT match and stipulation was just ridiculous and the match just seemed like a "go through the motions" to me).

However, there are some Knockouts that we haven't even heard from in a while. Hamada is pretty talanted, but she needs a manager. It shouldn't be that hard to try and find someone. Daffney and Sarita too are MIA and more talented than Hamada.

I guess TNA thinks that only the Beautiful People draw, but alas. After this BP vs Tara and...crap, I forgot who her partner was lol. But anyways, after their feud we might hopefully be seeing more Knockouts come back from hiatus, but my hopes are not high.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Yeah, Numbers is right. It's not the fact that TNA has a shit wrestling roster for KnockOut's... because they don't, they have got some solid workers. It's just that TNA has been focusing on the same people for a while now and leaving the rest in an area on the card by themselves. Why would they split them up when they could combine everyone and feature a variety of matches. Granted, the BP storyline is pretty good at the moment and a certain focus is needed... but let's hope the champion after BFG isn't involved with any feuds that takes them away from the entire competition. And don't get me started on the Tag Team titles.

But all in all, the division isn't that bad. I can see it picking up from here and possibly being on the same level as the Diva's quite soon (who have picked up their game as of late). Too bad we don't have Scott D'Amore booking, though.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think Numbers has a good point. TNA may have a lot of names signed to their roster, 99% of the focus of TNA has been with these same four or five women for months now. I vaguely remember that there was potentially, kinda sorta some feud in the works between Taylor Wilde & Sarita after they broke up. We still barely see Taylor Wilde and I honestly can't remember the last time I saw Sarita. For all intents and purposes, it's the same with every other female wrestler signed to TNA. It's just gotten so stale seeing the exact same women week after week basically doing the exact same thing as they did the week before.

In reality, TNA does have a lot of solid women on the roster, but the overall face of the TNA Knockout Division has primarily been four or five women for a very long while. It's really been a five woman division now in everything except name alone.