Is The IWC Really As Smart As It Thinks?

[rockyrocky11]

I feel with the 24/7 blogging/commenting/bitching about everything literally EVERYONE tries to act like an expert on this site. One of the biggest complaints is "that was so predictable." Lets look at some events over the past year...

Brodus Clay Return- "Gonna be a monster heel"

MITB-Nobody thought Punk would actually leave with the belt

Royal Rumble-Everyone had Jericho winning even though Shemus was a favorite going in

Wrestlemania-"Vince killed Daniel Bryan he doesn't use him right"

Most Importantly: Wrestlemania- "Rock has to pass the torch to Cena"

Well Brodus Clay came out as the completely comical "Funkasaurous," Punk won the belt, Shemus won the Rumble, Daniel Bryan is more over than ever because of Vince, and Rock beat Cena CLEAN.

A big complaint on this site is that everything is too predictable...now when thinking about it I don't really know what the IWC has had right. Even "Experts" like Justin Labar have had almost all of this wrong. Instead of analyzing everything about a show CAN WE PLEASE JUST ENJOY THE PRODUCT?

My question to everyone is how smart do you think the IWC is?

 

[The_Gene_Genie]

I find myself in a bit of a quandry with this one.

I am and always will be a huge wrestling fan. There will always be things I love and things that I don't like within wrestling. One thing I will do, in my own little mind, is analyze what I have seen. One thing I won't do, is over analyze what I have seen and simply appreciate my own thoughts and processes on what the wrestling programming has presented me, and ultimately enjoy the entertainment for what it is...entertainment produced for enjoyment as well as to induce hatred or adoration towards a specific character.

That being said, ever since I have entered the self sufficient world of adulthood and unrestricted internet access, paid for by my own pocket, I do enjoy accessing internet sites and forums like this (as well as many others...cough!) and seeing the opinions, thoughts and rationale of other wrestling fans. On one hand, some of what I read is well constructed and thought out rationale, backed up by examples and well written arguments that provoke debate. On the other hand, there are people who simply write what they believe to be fact/truth and can't back it up, won't back it up, and won't be told otherwise. Thankfully I'm mature enough to read everything, absorb what I want, and let the world and its people revolve in their daily routines without my life being adversely affected by their mindsets towards a simple source of entertainment.

One thing I find that has been disinfected by the IWC, and this is not the IWC's fault but my own, is the WOW factor from wrestling. All the spoilers, backstage sightings, airport arrivals preceeding major events, has for me spoilt the shock value of debuts and returns. But as I mentioned earlier, I am adult enough not to read these things, but like any other fan the suspense can sometimes get too much and I just can't help myself. It's just human nature I guess.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Well, the IWC isn't a single unified entity or collective hive mind. Like fans of any genre of entertainment, you have fans that are sensible & intelligent people and some that aren't.

For me though, it's not really that cut and dry. Internet wrestling fans can come online and give their opinions on this or that, whether they like it, what they'd do or what they'd like to see done, what they thing is going to happen next, etc. and that's all well and good. The problem that the IWC has as a whole is that there are a lot of fans that honestly believe themselves to have superior insight than the rest of us, and that includes people that've actually been working in the wrestling industry for decades.

Those fans seem to view their obersvations as how things should be done: who should be pushed into this spot or that spot, who should feud with whom, certain numbers of ppvs each year, how often a title should be defended & when, which direction a storyline should go, etc. Now that in and of itself isn't the problem so much as their reaction. For a lot of these armchair bookers, they're extremely vocal with their complaints & criticisms if WWE actually goes ahead and does something that's contrary to their vision. These are the fans that tend to give the IWC as a whole a bad name. If whatever happens isn't what they like or want to see, then it sucks. And since the WWE doesn't frequently cater to fantasy booking, that means you see lots of criticism.

It's easy for internet fans to criticize and say what they'd do or that this should be done because they're just spewing opinions without any potentially negative consequences. They don't own wrestling companies. They don't work as part of a creative team for any major wrestling company. They don't have bosses to answer to, they don't have to sit & listen to the input of others. They can say what they want but, at the end of the day, the financial future of a billion dollar company & the jobs of several hundred employees aren't dependent upon whatever fantasy scenario is playing out in their heads.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

People watch the product and hence they give their opinions. If everybody started to agree with each other's opinions there would be no discussion.

This is a Wrestling forum for discussion. Some people think something was great whereas some people think it isn't.

 

[xavyer]

No, i don't think so, they are too demanding, but not smart, because of what they write or post some things, they are never happy with anything, first they want Zach Ryder to have tv time, then a few weeks later he sucks, then they want Sheamus to be over, now that he is everyone hates him, then Dolph Ziggler is the future of the WWE, then no one like him anymore, all i have to say to the IWC, make up your minds or get a life, if you don't like what you see stop watching and stop bitching if you don't have things your way........

 

[enviousdominous]

Correction young grass hopper. Daniel Bryan is over only because of Daniel Bryan and his fan-base. Bryan was brought in to put a shine on the home grown mainstays and Twitter was on fire with criticism that Miz would be his storyline mentor. Bryan was fired for crossing into non-pg action and was only rehired because the fans chanted his name almost everytime Nexus came out.

I find it hard to believe that Vince's reasoning for having Sheamus squash Daniel Bryan was to coerce the crowd into chanting on his behalf.

 

[dakikko049]

Well looking at the things you say...

CM Punk didn't actually leave with the belt. He signed another contract and came back.

Jericho was going to win the rumble before WWE decided to be unexpected just for the sake of unexpected, as soon as it became clear that Jericho was obviously going to win.

At Wrestlemania the Vince kinda did kill Daniel Bryan. Probably the best technical wrestler this generation gets 18 seconds at wrestlemania, kinda sucks.

In terms of Rock and Cena I'm pretty sure there were a lot of people including myself saying that Rock didn't really need to pass the torch.

And finally Brodus, probably the only instance out of the ones you mentioned were the fans got it wrong, and in fairness when funkasauras came out instead of big, f**k off, mean brodus clay I was pleasantly surprised. However the assumption that he would be a monster probably had something to do with the vignettes about him were he called himself the "monster under your bed".

In terms of just enjoying the product I think for a lot of guys, guessing whats going to happen, predicting outcomes and posting ideas on the internet is part of enjoying wrestling, if you don't like it then leave them do it and they won't cause any harm.

 

[Tyler44]

Well wait a second rockyrocky11, this is directed right at you. What did you think was going to happen when they brought Brodus Clay in? Who did you think would win MITB? Did you think Sheamus would win the rumble? Who did you think would win the Rock/Cena match?

If you could answer those questions for me and post them, that'd be great. And the thing is, you'd be doing what everyone else does...that is just sharing your opinion. The IWC does not claim to be intelligent and too smart for WWE, that's just an uneducated assumption.

Some of us are heavy with opinion, but most of us will always analyze and review our opinions and give ideas on what should/could of happened. That's all the IWC is. I don't think I'm more intelligent than any other fan, and my opinion does not matter anymore than the next fan. The IWC is fans who share their opinions online. We aren't smarter, we are just fans and customers giving our reviews and ideas.

Basically, do you claim customers who go to McDonald's and purchase food, and then proceed to fill out a review online, any more intelligent than a customer who goes to McDonald's and just purchases food?

 

[nikkamcdraco]

The answer is no. There are many people within the so called IWC that have a lot of wrestling knowledge, possibly some that are even creative enough to write angles for the big times, but in general no, it's full of basement dwelling mouth breathers that come on here to live out their fantasies when they're World of Warcraft accounts are frozen. Troll me if you want too, you know I'm right bitches.

 

[jobesukulele]

I think the IWC is comprised of millions of wrestling fans across the world and can't be deemed as one thing or another as a single entity.

Exactly what I started thinking before I even read the post.

There is no consensus in the IWC. In all of those examples there was a split and people who're still part of the IWC taking the opposite opinions as well as completely different views.

What I really want to say though is this...

More than 95% of the IWC's talk is OPINION. When I'm writing I say my own OPINION and that is all it is. I don't care if it's right, or if anyone agrees with it, or if that's what WWE ends up doing or not. It's my OPINION, that's it, end of.

My opinion on this happens to be that Vince nowadays more than ever is aware of what the IWC's opinion is, and my opinion is that nowadays more than ever he takes steps to deliberately measure what's expected and pull a swerve away from it.

 

[Radical Canadian Goose]

Stephen Hawking is a genious and he has been wrong before, Donald Trump is one of the richest men in the world and he has had to fire people that he hired, therefore making him wrong. So my answer to your question is everybody gets things wrong. Now your examples

Brodus Clay - I wanted a monster heel and I got a funkasauras ...ok I was wrong and I accept it, the funk has grown on me

CM Punk leaving with the belt - please I'm pretty sure most people knew he was going to win, you have to go places you have never went before

Jericho winning rumble - I had Orton, oh well I was wrong, whoops

Cena beating Rock - it didn't matter who won either way, it was an epic feud

So is the IWC as smart as it thinks? No, nobody is.

 

[JJ15776]

Correction young grass hopper. Daniel Bryan is over only because of Daniel Bryan and his fan-base. Bryan was brought in to put a shine on the home grown mainstays and Twitter was on fire with criticism that Miz would be his storyline mentor. Bryan was fired for crossing into non-pg action and was only rehired because the fans chanted his name almost everytime Nexus came out.

False. He was kayfabe fired in storyline to write him out of the Nexus angle because they wanted him to be a face and they brilliantly worked the hell out of it so it would be a surprise when he returned - and they succeeded. At no point in time was he ever not employed by WWE.

Well looking at the things you say...

CM Punk didn't actually leave with the belt. He signed another contract and came back.

He won the match and walked out of the arena with the belt, with his contract having expired. In what way is that "not leaving with the belt"???

Jericho was going to win the rumble before WWE decided to be unexpected just for the sake of unexpected, as soon as it became clear that Jericho was obviously going to win.

This is such a typical IWC nonsensical excuse. "We were right but they changed their minds!" Who said Jericho was going to win the Rumble? Who said WWE changed their minds? I haven't heard an announcement about either of those from WWE. The internet created that rumor and covered their asses when it was wrong like they always do. WWE had planned for Sheamus for months. If it wasn't him, it was going to be Randy Orton. Jericho was never even in the discussion.

And finally Brodus, probably the only instance out of the ones you mentioned were the fans got it wrong, and in fairness when funkasauras came out instead of big, f**k off, mean brodus clay I was pleasantly surprised. However the assumption that he would be a monster probably had something to do with the vignettes about him were he called himself the "monster under your bed".

See the two above for the claim that this is the only instance the fans got wrong. (Reminder: that claim is completely false.) But this is the rare instance where the WWE actually changed their minds about something, so it's ok for the fans to have gotten it wrong.

Look, it's no secret that the IWC is full of idiots. Only the idiots themselves deny this. I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent people part of the "IWC"(whatever that is, exactly), but in general? Not so much. They read the spoilers/rumors, then if they're right then it was predictable and boring. If they're wrong it's stupid and the wrong thing to do. They have this vision in their mind of what WWE should be, refuse to acknowledge that anything else can be good, and can't get it through their heads that their vision of WWE would bankrupt the company in half a decade. (The closest thing in real life to what they want from WWE is ROH - and there's a reason ROH has 1/10th of WWE's audience.) Not to mention they think running a wrestling company is the easiest thing in the world to do. But possibly the dumbest thing they do is lap up all the dirtsheet rumors like they were typed by God himself. No matter how illogical, no matter how much proof to the contrary is given, everything written on dirtsheets is absolutely true. Just look at the post I quoted above regarding Jericho. (I'm not saying that particular poster believes everything he/she reads, it's just the easiest example.) There's not one single shred of evidence that WWE ever even considered Jericho to win the Royal Rumble, but because the dirtsheets claimed he was going to win and then covered their asses by saying "the WWE changed their minds" when they got it wrong, it's all assumed to be true. Look, there's a reason the dirtsheets continues to perpetuate the myth (which they created) that WWE likes to change their mind all the time and rewrite things on the fly. No, not because it's true - couldn't be further from it - it's because it's the most convenient excuse in the world for them. Think about it. You get your readers to believe it(which they have), and you'll never have to admit to being wrong about anything! It's genius, really. Not the most ethical, mind, but smart nonetheless. Doesn't say much about the intelligence of your readers for believing it all, though.

 

[jobesukulele]

False. He was kayfabe fired in storyline to write him out of the Nexus angle because they wanted him to be a face and they brilliantly worked the hell out of it so it would be a surprise when he returned - and they succeeded. At no point in time was he ever not employed by WWE.

That's not true.

Danielson was legit fired when shareholders took offence to the scene in question, it was most likely done just to keep everyone happy (everyone with a financial stake in the company that is). During that time Danielson had no WWE contract.

Now whether or not it was Vince's intention from the very beginning to bring him back or not, well, that's entirely open for debate. I personally think it was, some others will say otherwise.

The truth is that Vince has never spoke publicly on the subject so no one knows, you can't claim to know something that nobody anywhere knows. You are not omniscient.

 

[rockyrocky11]

Well wait a second rockyrocky11, this is directed right at you. What did you think was going to happen when they brought Brodus Clay in? Who did you think would win MITB? Did you think Sheamus would win the rumble? Who did you think would win the Rock/Cena match?

If you could answer those questions for me and post them, that'd be great. And the thing is, you'd be doing what everyone else does...that is just sharing your opinion. The IWC does not claim to be intelligent and too smart for WWE, that's just an uneducated assumption.

Some of us are heavy with opinion, but most of us will always analyze and review our opinions and give ideas on what should/could of happened. That's all the IWC is. I don't think I'm more intelligent than any other fan, and my opinion does not matter anymore than the next fan. The IWC is fans who share their opinions online. We aren't smarter, we are just fans and customers giving our reviews and ideas.

Basically, do you claim customers who go to McDonald's and purchase food, and then proceed to fill out a review online, any more intelligent than a customer who goes to McDonald's and just purchases food?

I would be happy to respond to your post. What I am saying is that the IWC as a whole is so one sided and NOTHING else can happen. Jericho HAS to win the rumble Rock HAS to pass the torch Clay HAS to be a monster heel.

I'm not saying my predictions are always right but I'm never 100% on something that is written to have twist and turns. I think it's a little dumb to be 100% on really anything that's written for entertainment. It's like if you watched daytime soaps and were shocked that you weren't right about what was going to happen. If WWE really was as predictable as people act the company wouldn't be anywhere near as successful. I think not trying to find dirtsheets and not taking a potential spoiler to heart helps me enjoy the product more because I don't have to instantly say "the wwe did this wrong" or "they're stupid" or "how could they possibly have done this to my perfect prediction." Instead I enjoy the shocking moments.

 

[#Zombienatureboy]

Wow! Great thread. Very interesting reading everyone's thoughts. I could write on and on about this but, if I had to point to one thing that aggravates me about the IWC is that smarky fans tend to forget (not always, but often) that for these wrestlers, this is their job. Sure, they may go backstage and politic their case. "I don't want to job." "I don't want to get squashed." "I want to win clean." etc etc And there has been many instances of Vince or Bischoff or whomever, listening to this and doing what these guys want. There are various examples of this over the years. The power of The Kliq, Hogan and Nash's backstage politics, Bret Hart not wanting to job to HBK in Montreal, etc etc.

I'm sure this happens a lot. If you were DB, I'm sure you would at least argue your case a little for not wanting to get squashed at Wrestlemania.

But, I think more often than not, these guys do what they are told. At the end of the day, if DB is told to go get squashed, that's what he does. If John Cena is told to go job clean to the Rock, that's what he does. They have bosses who tell them what to do.

I think the IWC loses sight of this sometimes and argues about "Rock was selfish" "Rock didn't want to job" etc etc when the IWC doesn't understand that, if you were Rock and you could come back, make a ton of money, and not have to job, wouldn't you do that? John Cena wasn't blindsided by this. They talked about this for a year. And I'm sure the winner of the match was changed multiple times. Cena made a lot of money that night at Wrestlemania 28. More than most of us will ever make. He did what Vince told him to do. Because Vince pays John Cena to play a role on his TV show. Vince is John Cena's boss. That's the way the world operates.

I'm just using Rock/Cena as an example.

I think the IWC gets too involved in the creative end and doesn't get involved enough in the business/making money end of things.

 

[Mustang Sally]

.... literally EVERYONE tries to act like an expert on this site.

Well, not literally. Many people act that way, as often evidenced by their stating an opinion and then declaring: "END OF DISCUSSION" as if their view is the only one that should be considered and everyone can go home now that they've rendered their verdict.

Is that obnoxious? Sure, it is, but you get a lot of it on an open board. I've often found that the more ignorant the person, the more apt he is to see his opinion as the only one that counts. The point is that his view often isn't the end of the discussion.....and shouldn't be. A forum is a great place for people with ideas to gather and express them; it's why we have threads to which you can add your post. When you read all the entries and mull over the varied conclusions, you get a more rounded view of the subject. Of course, that's no substitute for independent thinking; making up your own mind is always preferable.

Of course, there are plenty of "name-callers" on forums like this one, which includes some very prominent members of the forum who will respond to other people's posts by labeling it "the stupidest thing I ever read" and "you must be a moron" and other "delightful" declarations. Yes, it's unpleasant to read stuff like that, but it all goes into the pot and makes the stew. There's a little something for everyone.

Is the IWC as smart as it thinks? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The IWC is a collection of individual opinions; some are informed and others not....some consist of opinions backed up with facts while others are just gut feelings......some are just the regurgitation of the opinions of others, packaged and made to look like the opinion of the single individual who's posting the entry.

Many IWC members know what they're talking about....and many don't. The more you read, the more you find out who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. There isn't a definitive answer to the question being asked by the OP.

 

[Peoples_Champ]

I feel with the 24/7 blogging/commenting/bitching about everything literally EVERYONE tries to act like an expert on this site. One of the biggest complaints is "that was so predictable." Lets look at some events over the past year...

Brodus Clay Return- "Gonna be a monster heel"

MITB-Nobody thought Punk would actually leave with the belt

Royal Rumble-Everyone had Jericho winning even though Shemus was a favorite going in

Wrestlemania-"Vince killed Daniel Bryan he doesn't use him right"

Most Importantly: Wrestlemania- "Rock has to pass the torch to Cena"

Well Brodus Clay came out as the completely comical "Funkasaurous," Punk won the belt, Shemus won the Rumble, Daniel Bryan is more over than ever because of Vince, and Rock beat Cena CLEAN.

A big complaint on this site is that everything is too predictable...now when thinking about it I don't really know what the IWC has had right. Even "Experts" like Justin Labar have had almost all of this wrong. Instead of analyzing everything about a show CAN WE PLEASE JUST ENJOY THE PRODUCT?

My question to everyone is how smart do you think the IWC is?

The IWC's way of enjoying the product is predicting what's going to happen and discussing 'fantasy managing.' It's the same reason we could all argue endlessly about sports, we know what we like, we want to see the product / team succeed and we're confident we know how to get it done.

Just because the IWC has an opinion about something, it doesn't mean that it's valid or substantial. Often times, we're giving knee-jerk reactions to things that just happened (DBD losing the title comes to mind). We would have no idea how things would turn out, but then again, without our displeasure, DBD wouldn't be as over as he is now (let's face it, there were a lot of smarky IWC fans in Miami).

Personally, I think the IWC deserves credit (not as much as it gives itself obviously lol) for challenging WWE Creative. If things become transparent to us, it will be transparent to increasingly smart wrestling fans. This (sometimes) inspires Creative to become, well, creative. We all thought Brodus was going to be a monster heel (and to be fair, they teased that he would be, Johnny Ace said in promos that he was holding him back to make him more and more angry), but Creative went in a different direction after seeing our response.

As long as the swerves aren't disingenuous like they were in WCW, I have no problem with Creative making IWC look stupid. If the product is entertaining, there shouldn't be any problem

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Most of the IWC is fuckin stupid. Like, dumber than the average fan when it comes to how pro wrestling works. This is because they view and book it like a fan. The only "smart" thing about it is that they know it's fake.....which everyone knows.

My grandpa, who doesn't even have a high school degree, knows that Cena is still a good guy because he sells shirts. My dad, who doesn't have a college degree, said "why do people who hate Cena spend so much time talking about it?"

It's common sense that the general IWC doesn't have. They are MORE of a fan of guys than the average fan. They let their fanhood cloud their judgment. If they would just step back and truly try to look as objectively as possible, they wouldn't bitch as much because they'd actually understand what's going on.

Also, the IWC doesn't challenge the WWE creative team. The IWC is basically saying "I was this to happen, any other way sucks". It just so happens that usually the IWC's idea is a rehashed version of the past, or something that makes very little business sense.

The WWE is booked like a business. They look at what will generate the most revenue. This means truly looking at what the audience wants (as in, not turning Cena heel because it's fun to boo him, having Daniel Bryan lose quick so he gets more over, etc). If you book based on your own emotion, you end up with TNA. Which is basically guys booking their friends and booking for the 10 percenters.

 

[Ausaie]

I feel with the 24/7 blogging/commenting/bitching about everything literally EVERYONE tries to act like an expert on this site. One of the biggest complaints is "that was so predictable." Lets look at some events over the past year...

Brodus Clay Return- "Gonna be a monster heel"

MITB-Nobody thought Punk would actually leave with the belt

Royal Rumble-Everyone had Jericho winning even though Shemus was a favorite going in

Wrestlemania-"Vince killed Daniel Bryan he doesn't use him right"

Most Importantly: Wrestlemania- "Rock has to pass the torch to Cena"

Well Brodus Clay came out as the completely comical "Funkasaurous," Punk won the belt, Shemus won the Rumble, Daniel Bryan is more over than ever because of Vince, and Rock beat Cena CLEAN.

A big complaint on this site is that everything is too predictable...now when thinking about it I don't really know what the IWC has had right. Even "Experts" like Justin Labar have had almost all of this wrong. Instead of analyzing everything about a show CAN WE PLEASE JUST ENJOY THE PRODUCT?

My question to everyone is how smart do you think the IWC is?

For as long as there has been wrestling forums and people with opinions this has been going on. People like to be right and more importantly they don't like to be told that they are wrong. That being said it isn't easy or even possible for WWE or any wrestling company to put out a product where every single viewer will like it or agree with the direction of said company. I will say that i agree with what you are saying that people tend to complain even when things are good when they really shouldn't be. However we are all guilty of it from time to time, its just a matter of opinion over fact. Often times it can be hard to separate the two when we want to be right!

 

[MCMG]

Not everyone had these views. Just because you see these posts a lot doesn't make them the view of everyone.

When I watched mania i was actually intrigued when D-Bry lost in 18 seconds. I knew it could leave the feud open and would lead to greater things. Not everyone though Chris Jericho would win the rumble. Also, the people involved in the WWE can change winners of matches in order to screW with the iwc.

The IWC CAN be smart in my opinion and just because some of their predictions don't come true doesn't mean that are not smart.

 

[shalliin]

The answer is no. There are many people within the so called IWC that have a lot of wrestling knowledge, possibly some that are even creative enough to write angles for the big times, but in general no, it's full of basement dwelling mouth breathers that come on here to live out their fantasies when they're World of Warcraft accounts are frozen. Troll me if you want too, you know I'm right bitches.

This sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black. Putting a little too much of your life into your posts. As for the thread, NO, the IWC is not as smart as they think because the IWC is made up of people and a group of people is not capable of being smart. Individuals can be smart. There are some well thought out and well considered opinions in the IWC, but there's also reactionary emotional idiots who should be banned from public interaction.

There are some smart well thought out posts by members of the IWC, and like another person stated, some of those are as good or better then anything the official creatives have done, and yet there are idiots who jump on every bandwagon they find and then turn on those at the slightest hint of non IWC acceptance.

 

[Ring Rusty]

The "IWC" members are like "hipsters." People always make complain about them, but no one ever admits to being one. Perhaps it's better to refer to the prevailing opinion on Internet forums, rather than the people who supposedly hold that opinion.

 

[The Crock]

You know, this isn't really a question you can give a concrete answer to. I'm sure every one of us has, at one time or another, gone onto the internet and expressed our distaste for a certain aspect of the product, or made a prediction that didn't pan out too well. I have no problem with any of that. The whole point of this forum is that fans can have an open discourse with one another, we can share our opinions on what we see -- most fans engage in discussion because wrestling is a passion of theirs, and when you're passionate about something, you can generally come off as being overly enthusiastic and so on.

On one hand, I do understand the mindset that a majority of the IWC is very fickle and, at times, stupid. I see people that come around this place and act holier than thou, for no reason other than they feel their opinion holds more weight than mine or yours. There's people like that wherever you look, though. I won't condemn a community -- one that I'm a member of -- because of people like that. I also won't turn a blind eye to it. It's an annoying part of something I very much enjoy, but I always come back to the same conclusion about it: Everybody has a right to speak their mind, however smart/stupid their thoughts may be.

I'll defend the IWC all day, even if I have to deal with fans who act superior to the rest of us. I don't see anything wrong with sharing your insights on the product you love. Sure, there are plenty of buffoons, but there are plenty of intelligent people in the IWC willing to have a productive conversation. The IWC is often painted in a negative light, but there are plenty of positives about it.

In the end, I don't believe the IWC are as smart as we think we are. For every fan that understands how intricate wrestling is, there is a fan that will dismiss everything that isn't to his liking. There's nothing I can do about that. I wish people would realize that we aren't the ones running these promotions, and that we can't make these judgments not knowing all the other things that have to be done, but it can't be perfect. The IWC, while not brimming with brilliance, is a place where you can go and find an intelligent take on wrestling. It's as simple as that.

 

[RKOPUNK]

I wouldn't generalise it like that. There's some guys on this forum who really know what they're talking about, and have some really valid opinions. Then there's the horde of idiots who think they know everything there is to know about pro wrestling, and that they should be head of the WWE creative team.

Seriously, the amount of idiots on here that bitch about every decision that is made is staggering. Lately there's been a small contingency complain about Cena was 'buried' by Brock Lesnar last week. Since when did being 'buried' include being attacked by a returning mega-star.

Or the dip shits that buy in to rumours, and without considering that they are just that, rumours, get pissed off that it didn't and blame the WWE for not making it happen.