Is John Cena the reason Raw's Ratings are down?

[realbrutha]

I mean he spoiled the match at Extreme Rules by telling us he was going to win and then he said he would hold the belt until Wrestle Mania 28. So whats the point of watching your favorite superstars fued with Cena if we know he's going to hold the belt so long? This makes fans not interested in watching Raw. Did anyone see the Miz hit Cena with a pipe 2wice Monday? He didnt even sell it.

He just turned into Super Cena as usual. Everything about Cena is a fraud. Not to mention he stole R-truth rap gimmick from when he was K-kwik in 99" He also stole the "STF" from former WWF womens champion Jazz who executes it better than he does and made the move popular before Cena was even signed to the WWE.

Look @4:22

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[Nate DaMac]

Keep trollin trollin trollin trollin.

God you are just shit. The ratings are dipping slightly, but it always does after Mania season wears off. The ratings are dipping on Smackdown too, Cena isn't even on that show. All ratings go down after Mania, it's been that way for years and it will continue to happen for years to come, nothing to do with Cena at all.

Cena is a better rapper/wrestler/talker than Truth and Jazz makes Kelly Kelly look like Ric Flair. She popularized absolutely nothing.

 

[a0161613]

Keep trollin trollin trollin.

Not to mention that he did steal a thing. Stealing of gimmicks and moves doesnt happen in the WWE because the whole thing is scripted. Cena was (permanently) given the rapper gimmick after he asked creative that he be allowed to try it.

The STF was a submssion move given to him because he needed a move to win a submission match. How is that being unoriginal?

Why is nobody able to put aside their dislike for Cena? The guy is a damn hard worker and probably better than your favourite wrestler.

 

[Derf]

He's calling you a troll because your a classic case of a Cena Hater. Maybe if you had an argument as to why Cena caused recent ratings to go down, you'd make sence. Then you go claiming he stole from K-Kwik and Jazz, two easily forgettable memorys. While those two were jobbing, Cena was giving WwE some ratings. If anything, you take Cena off of RAW and THAT will cause a rating drop.

 

[Chadmw]

Yes Cena "stole" the rap gimmick from K-kwick who in turn "stole" it from Misfits in Action who in turn "stole" it from that fat terrible wrestler in WCW (I can't remember his name) and so on and so on

And yes Cena also stole the STF a fairly used and popular submission move used by dozens of wrestlers

The nerve of the man for stealing a fairly common gimmick (which he rarely uses anymore) and a very common submission move

 

[Nev]

I don't think he's trolling, he's simply voicing his opinion albeit in a somewhat vigorous way (lol)

I don't think majority of RAW's viewers would just stop watching on the pure basis that he's going to be champion until WrestleMania. That's just to simplistic. I think its a combination of a lot of things that has been hurting RAW in a slippery slope fashion for a couple of years now. I could continue this further and write an essay about it but its nothing nobody doesn't know. What I do know that's a fact is that John Cena is a draw and removing him from the situation will not make anything better, infact it'll make the ratings worse.

Wrestlezone has been pleading for fresh new stars in the WWE for 2-3 years now, often vindicating that the ratings will boom if so. Well we got some new stars at the top on RAW and the ratings are still lethargic. For me, it's just booking. I mean seriously -- Miz choosing John Cena's "mystery" opponent to compensate for John Cena choosing the stipulation for their OTL match? Just bad, unspectacular booking. Nevermind the fact that RAW's typically end with the heel or face "Standing tall" at the end of the show -- it's just lazy fucking booking that gives no excitement/suspense to the storylines.

However, go back to 2003 and you will see how RAW would put a heavy emphasis on shock value and ending RAW with something that would make you tune in for next week, yet, the ratings continued to decline. So for me? I have no idea. I don't believe that the ratings will increase if they go TV-14/MA or continue to build fresh new talent at the top. I personally think ratings will truly boom if an icon (no, not just a popular WWE star, an ICON - a cultural icon) can rise out of the WWE. I'm not sure if there will ever be one again tho

 

[Mercer the Ruthless]

So a Superstar in Wrestling can't say they're going to win at a PPV now? I thought that was the point of boasting? As for the holding the title til WM28, REALLY that's also boasting, he can still lose and get it back. He stole the STF? Are you even a wrestling fan for real? You might as well say Stone Cold stole the Lou Thez press from Aloysius Martin "Lou" Thesz. Oh Sorry you probably don't know who that is. He Stole K-Kwik's rap Gimmick? I can't even, I'm done. Get this clown out of here.

 

[Foshinzo]

I love this. Lol.

No, Cena isn't the cause of the ratings dip. He didn't steal anything, either. He's less of a thief than Ric Flair, who not only took the "Nature Boy" nickname from Buddy Rodgers, but he also used the Figure Four as a finisher, which was arguably invented by Rodgers. You say Cena is a rip off? Ric Flair was essentially a Buddy Rodgers wanna be (and I know I'll get flamed for saying that,), but he got away with it because wrestling was more mainstream during his career and there was a considerable time gap.

However, Flair also put his own spin on it and made it original all over again, so still nobody should actually call him a thief.

Also, how could Cena be the cause of a recent ratings dip, when he's doing essentially what he's done on Raw for years and years, now? Everyone else here is right. The ratings are dipping a little bit at the moment, that's because this is an annual occurrence. Stop trolling, man.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't agree with you, OP. But I don't agree with everyone flaming you for your opinion.

Cena, I don't think is entirely to blame for the ratings. I mean he is by no means completely innocent, but there is no "I" in team. He isn't the entire show, you have the supporting cast, the production, the writers, announcers, etc. I think the overall product is less interesting than it has been in the past. But RAW still is getting 4.5 million viewers, so it's by no means doing poorly.

Plus you have to also take in to account that there are more options for viewers. I get well over a hundred channels and I don't really have the best cable package. Until Raw starts getting Smackdown level ratings, I don't think it's even a concern though.

 

[Joel102183]

did ya think that maybe the reasons wrestling ratings are down is also due to the fact that a few big names are missing from shows...hhh, taker... and that maybe the storylines are boring...its bad when the best thing you see is kharma/awesome kong stalk women

 

[akrassikauda]

Sounds like a Limp Bizkit concert in hear. So Cena steals moves like Sting stole the sharpshooter and called it the Scorpion Deathlock. Oh the rapper gimmick like PG13 K-Kwik ( I actually got a warning by WWE security for calling R-Truth K-Kwik ) MoM man can someone please close this thread.

Move in move out hands up hands down back up back up whatcha gonna do now keep trollin trollin trollin trollin uh! every post this douche has is a hate Cena Post with no knowledge of what he/she is talking about. If your gonna hate be a smart hater.

 

[Stuntz]

Absolutely not..... Simple fact of the matter, as already been stated a few times, there is always a drop in the overall ratings after wrestlemania, and everyone including Vince and company know this. To Sit there in front of your computer and blame Cena, who without a shout of a doubg is the biggest mechandise seller and biggest draw in the company(yes thanks to the kids) is rediculous. Honkey said it best, you cant blame one person for ratings, it is the overall product that causes ratings drops.

I think one of the biggest reasons for the lack of ratings compared to the ever popular Attitude Era is the fact that there is no true shock value or at least there hasnt been until more recently. The fact that the "E" has implemented the "anything can happen" scenario in recent weeks shows they are attempting to draw with the element of surprise, but have yet to captivate. I think big change is still in store and more entertaining things will come out of it.

 

[amazing_blue]

I think you could link the poor ratings and PPV buyrates to Cena in that he is basically the only star that RAW has. Likewise, Orton is the only star that SmackDown has.

The WWE should have been better prepared for the day when their old guard could no longer carry the company. With HBK, HHH, Batista, Jericho, Hardy and Undertaker all seemingly out of the picture, new people are being forced to fill the void. The Miz is the only one to reach a true top-tier level, but he's mostly a joke. Everyone else...the fans could care less.

 

[JJ15776]

I mean he spoiled the match at Extreme Rules by telling us he was going to win and then he said he would hold the belt until Wrestle Mania 28. So whats the point of watching your favorite superstars fued with Cena if we know he's going to hold the belt so long? This makes fans not interested in watching Raw. Did anyone see the Miz hit Cena with a pipe 2wice Monday? He didnt even sell it.

???????????????????? WHAT??????

Cena spoiled the match at Extreme Rules by telling he was going to win. ???? How many times did Miz say he was going to win???? Christian told us he was going to beat Randy Orton, did that spoil it?? Alberto del Rio told us we was going to beat Edge at Wrestlemania, did that spoil their match?? Every competitor in every world title match(and every title match, and every match in general) has said they were going to win!!! Did any of them spoil it???? WTF are you talking about?????

Miz told us he was going to be WWE Champion until he retired! Did you believe him, and blame him for Raw's ratings droppings because we "knew" he was going to hold the belt so long??? Santino Marella said he was going to be the longest reigning IC champion of all times, did that make you stop watching Raw???

What the hell is wrong with you?? Every wrestler in wrestling history has made comments like that, but now all of a sudden Cena's not allowed to?????

If you're going to rip Cena, at least say something that makes the slightest bit of sense. My god.

Just a small quibble, even though I agree with most of your post. I've seen a couple people on here use the example of Sting and the Scorpion Death Lock saying he "stole" it from Bret. When Sting started using that move Bret was still tagging with The Hart Foundation. While I get your point in saying that no wrestling move is "stolen", it's a bad example.

Technically, he just said he stole the sharpshooter, not that he stole it from Bret Hart, which is 100% true and a good example. Ronnie Garvin was using it before Sting and Bret Hart.

 

[My Couch Pulls Out But I Don't]

I mean he spoiled the match at Extreme Rules by telling us he was going to win and then he said he would hold the belt until Wrestle Mania 28. So whats the point of watching your favorite superstars fued with Cena if we know he's going to hold the belt so long? This makes fans not interested in watching Raw. Did anyone see the Miz hit Cena with a pipe 2wice Monday? He didnt even sell it.

He just turned into Super Cena as usual. Everything about Cena is a fraud. Not to mention he stole R-truth rap gimmick from when he was K-kwik in 99" He also stole the "STF" from former WWF womens champion Jazz who executes it better than he does and made the move popular before Cena was even signed to the WWE.

Look @4:22

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Im kind of upset, this guy got FE'd before I could respond...going to anyways.

It is normal for wrestlers to predict victory in all of their matches. It is called promo work. It is also normal for them to say they are going to hold "insert title" for the longest time in history.

As for your claims of him being a thief. I do not know where to begin with that. There were several people rapping before Cena. Yes K-Kwik was probably the most recent in the WWE/F but you can't forget the others in your claim. WCW once ran an entire angle around rap music. Konan and Rey Mysterio were actually in a rap video...rapping. Public Enemy, though not "rappers", were gimmicked with the hip hop deal. As far back as what one poster said "that fat guy in WCW", The Rap Master PN News.

That would be like saying Stone Cold Steve Austin stole the beer drinking gimmick from the Sandman. Or R-truth's recent smoking on RAW was taken from when the Giant smoked on Nitro. Get it together son.

As for the STF arguement. You are waaaay off. The STF as been credited to Lou Thesz. Bigger stars have used it in the past... Masahiro Chono, Great Muta, Regal, Lance Storm has used it, list goes on and on.

Any by the way, Cena doesn't use an STF. I know he calls it the STF-U, but it is actually a different variation known as the STS, look it up.

And no, he didn't invent that either.

 

[Notorious718]

It is normal for wrestlers to predict victory in all of their matches. It is called promo work. It is also normal for them to say they are going to hold "insert title" for the longest time in history.

Precisely. I wasn't sure how to address this to the already banned OP but you did a great job here.

Promo cutting 101 if you're the champ, I guess I would call it. Putting over that you will hold the belt for a long time. Cena predicting holding the title until Wrestlemania 28 also serves a good way to build up their inevitable clash with the title potentially being on the line. Did Cena spoil anything? Of course not. For all we know, Cena could drop the title at Elimination Chamber just before Wrestlemania. So I don't get how that would have an effect on the ratings.

And Cena "stealing" the STF? Are you serious? It's not odd for wrestlers to use the moves of other wrestlers. Michelle McCool using the Styles Clash finisher? Ring a bell? I also don't understand your reasoning behind Cena "stealing" the STF having an effect on ratings either. Typical Cena hating post. Sheesh.

 

[daveybuoy-2011]

Wrestlemania is like Christmas in the retail environment, A massive build up for months in advance, afterwards we see a boom in popularity and then comes weeks of low sales....... this is the after christmas period we are in now.

I sit on the fence on this debate about Raw and Cena,
The guy is talented, I dont hate him, he can wrestle and he is a great role model for the kids and younger talent......
What i dont like is the fact that he has to be champ or fighting for the belt the majority of the time, id much rather see miz have the belt!
And all of this bickering and hatred for Cena could have been avoided if the WWE writers and bookers would have kept the whole Nexus thing going, bollocks to the new nexus and the corre, original nexus kept us tuning in every week, they could have ran with the original nexus for months and months and had barrett v cena at mania instead :-/

Im not a hater, but im not a lover of Cena, I just wish they would spread the TV time across more of the talent on RAW, id like to see what is gonna happen with Drew Mcintyre going forward!

 

[Ares405]

Well, you had a good point until you started trolling. The STF has been around a long time, its free for anyone to use. Rap too has been around a long time, and is free for anyone to use. As for the past Raw where Cena got hit, i completely agree, he cant sell shit, he has little talent and the only reason he has stuck around is because he is a big kiss ass, and huuuugggeee. Take the match for instance, he did nothing the entire time, took a beating by Swagger, and, of course, out of nowhere, he goes super cena, hits his five moves, and wins. Now come on watching Cena get dominated then somehow miraculously win the match is getting tiresome, ok we get it, he is big, and superman like, but there is only one person who can take a beating and then get up to ignite the crowd and he works in TNA. But not even he went off to win every match after "Hulking up". What they need to do is have a mid-carder feud with Cena and have Cena get them over by losing. Hell he doesnt even have to lose, look what that little feud with Miz did for him. Point is, Cena cant wrestle, and people are tired of seeing him night after night win no matter what type of beating he gets. I mean come on, a steal pipe and he just gets up not even a second after being hit. SMH...

 

[Peoples_Trashman]

I personally don't like cena an I'm tired of seeing him in the main event every week. as far as stealing moves in wrestling... Would That mean Everybody who uses the DDT be a jake the snake roberts rip off.. or them calling austin the "rattle SNAKE" be a rip off moniker to jake roberts.... So what about all the family story lines? when people aren't really related.. Ric Flair originally wanted to be "rambling Ricks Rhodes" dusty's brother.. an when The Big Show first started on WCW they gave the illusion he was suppose to be the son of Andre the Giant..... an same thing With Muta he was suppose to be portrayed as a family member of the Great Kabuki.. an If Cena "stealing the STF" is such a sin there wouldn't be wrestling because every move is stolen from other wrestlers or Modified slightly to try an say "its original" kinda like how orton made the "RKO" famous... I've even heard ppl say he invented it... but DDP used it before he did and Johnny Ace Was the inventor (correct me if im wrong) So if ur jus gonna hate on cena cuz he STOLE a move or gimmick.. u should hate every wrestler.. or not watch it..

 

[gunnascott]

Just because he said he was going to be Champion doesn't mean its true and doesn't mean he won't lose it and prehaps gain it back to spice things up before mania. Cena is the reason ratings are as good as they are because no one on Raw can carry the show like he can.

 

[Tully]

My god, Trish's ass is fantastic and rump-alicious in that video - thanks for that!

But no, I don't think RAW ratings' drop hinges on John Cena. IMO, it's just that a LARGE viewer segment tuned out of WWE as the Rock and SCSA retired and the G era was foisted upon us. HHH and 'Taker's semi-retirement also factor in, IMO.

I'm tired of Super Cena, I hate his non-selling and gimmick...but the guy's a damn hard worker trying his best to do his job. You think RAW ratings suck with him? God help RAW if he ever gets injured for any length of time, because there's NOONE else who'd be able to take his spot right now. RAW ratings would fall off the world in this case.

 

[whoopin' ass]

yes but not because it is Cena. Think back to when Hogan came back to the wwe. at first, everyone was watching and it was a big deal but as time went but, people got bored with it and it wasn't as successful. Same sort of thing here - people don't expect Cena to lose so they don't tune in as regular as before. But it is not directly because of Cena. Didn't the same thing happen when Cena was on Smackdown and Triple H dominated Raw? it's just lazy, poor booking.

 

[ThatGuy99]

trollolololololololololololololol

the ratings are dropping, but Cena is a proven draw. Ratings just always slip post mania.

 

[RManske2]

As someone said earlier, best part of this thread was the video of Trish, but moving on...

I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why ratings have dropped that people have already went through so no need to repeat all of them. Speaking from my perspective, for the last few weeks if it's a choice between watching Raw or the NBA Playoffs, basketball wins out and I'll flip over to Raw on a commercial to see what is going on.

Also, don't think it's fair to blame Cena either since the last time I checked he's not on the show the entire two hours. If you want ratings, give people a reason to watch and keep them interested and wanting to keep watching.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

lol. There are a MULTITUDE of reasons ratings can be down. The number one draw and number one heat getter and number one merch guy isn't one of them. Are you fucking stupid? I'm not flaming here, I want to know, have you been told you are dumber than the average human being. I ask because your logic makes no sense whatsoever. UFC, NBA playoffs, lack of a strong card, lack of promoting, it being graduation season and a lot of kids are moving out and/or hungover, uhhh, beginning of summer so a lot of kids are out having fun, the beginning of interleague play, the stupid judgment day predictions so maybe people are freaking out, all could be reasons ratings are down. Not only that but ratings measurements are imperfect, you have to account for slight error.

Here's how ridiculous you sound. "I mean seriously, look at the numbers, they have dropped 4,000% since 2009, all of it probably because i don't like John Cena and even though most of the time if you see a wrestling shirt, it's one of his, and when he comes out he ALWAYS gets a pop, and his matches ALWAYS have heat, and cards with him in the marquee draw more, it's because I don't like cheesey john cena. Because I want titties, cussing, and blood. THAT's why ratings are down."

See how stupid that sounds? That'd be like if a team had a losing streak and you blamed it on the guy hitting .500 for that span.