Is it time?

[K Bro 30]

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Lets face it, a lot of things need to change, and I think the best thing WWE can do right now is end the split brands. Make ECW more isolated from Raw and Smackdown, and reunite Raw and Smackdown, keeping only younger guys who need to develop in ECW, with a couple of veterans to help put them over. But look at the advantages, you have more time between PPV's to develop storylines. You can advertise your big names for every show, and you have no limit to matches. Come on, Jeff Hardy vs Rey Mysterio wouldn't be a great match?

How this should happen is at a PPV, merge the titles. WWE vs WH champ, IC vs US, Womens vs Divas, WTT vs WWE TT, winner keeps the title and title name.

I just think this needs to happen because neither show is mind-blowing, and no story lines have enough time to build to anything interesting. They tried this to make new stars, but it is really not working that great in my opinion, and both Raw and Smackdown I feel like have nothing going for them right now.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Could you please explain WHY things have to change? Sure, the product has grown a bit stagnant and is not as good as in the Attitude Era for obvious reasons, but that isn't to say that it's bad or needs to change drastically. The ratings are still solid, the revenue is good...from a business perspective, it's not time to push the panic button and make drastic changes just yet.

I think the biggest problem with WWE right now is that the card levels are incredibly random. Guys like MVP, The Brian Kendrick and John Morrison are struggling in the mid-card without the proper exposure while guys like Batista, JBL and Rey Mysterio who have long since peaked in their careers get top spots and mass exposure. It's always risky to push new blood instead of the same old, same old but imagine what could be if they shifted their focus from routine to more risk. But that's a personal standpoint.

I think most people, including myself are happy with the current product even if it could be improved. But I could be wrong I guess.

 

[Bunnytracks]

I think the stagnant problem lies mostly with RAW. We just saw JBL vs. Batista 59! Punk wasn't the great champion people thought he would be! Meanwhile Cena and Orton are both out on injury, Mysterio and Kane are just so done, Michaels is getting up there in years, and the who are the midcarders exactly? RAW needs the makeover of the century!

1. Get rid of Mike "Damn!ale" and get a GM that people love or love to hate.

2. Quit pushing Jibble and Botchtista down our throats every week, two of the most over-rated Superstars ever!

3. Rekindle the tag team division. Cryme Tyme and Simply Worthless are a good start but RAW should have a few more. How about teaming up Knox and Snitsky? Noble and London? Holly and Simmons? I'm not saying they would work or be great, but you're not gonna find out unless you experiment are you?

4. Start pushing guys like Kingston, Regal (Don't push too much cause he is a user), Paulumbo (he is talented I don't care what anyone says!), Haas, Burchill, D-Lo, and Cade.

5. Why isn't Deuce with Simply Pricess? Isn't he a second gen Superstar as well? There's a 4 man stable for you right there!

6. RAW was getting great ratings during the Anarchy angle after the draft...what does that tell you?

7. Marella is mic talent, not in ring talent. Why is he IC champion? Perhaps Punk should win this title for a while, in case he becomes champ again. This might give him more credibility!

Those are my thought! Agree with me? E-feud with me? Let me know what you guys think? Because remember. It's fun to pretend

 

[Mexican Geek]

RAW needs the makeover of the century!

1. Get rid of Mike "Damn!ale" and get a GM that people love or love to hate.

I love to hate Mike Adamle. I think most of the fans feel the same way.

2. Quit pushing Jibble and Botchtista down our throats every week, two of the most over-rated Superstars ever!

Batista, besides Rey, is the most OVER Superstar in RAW, why not pushing him? Not HBK or Jericho, who is super over as a heel, of course. no comments on JBL, lol.

3. Rekindle the tag team division. Cryme Tyme and Simply Worthless are a good start but RAW should have a few more. How about teaming up Knox and Snitsky? Noble and London? Holly and Simmons? I'm not saying they would work or be great, but you're not gonna find out unless you experiment are you?

OMG, you're not only calling "Worthless" the most promising duo in the Tag Team scene, but you are suggesting to pair Mike Knox and Snitsky?? sorry, but you have perception problems. Noble and London? how about Dolph Ziggler and Mae Young too? i can see the ratings trough the roof with these teams...

4. Start pushing guys like Kingston, Regal (Don't push too much cause he is a user), Paulumbo (he is talented I don't care what anyone says!), Haas, Burchill, D-Lo, and Cade.

1-Kingston is a former IC champ, is in the middle of a push tagging with Punk.
2-Regal doesn't seems to be struggling in the King of the Ring chair lately...
3-Palumbo has yet to debut (I wonder why we havent seen him...must be his charisma)
4-Hass? the man of the thousand faces? Cade, the guy who is hanging out with the WHC??? that doesnt look like a push to you?

5. Why isn't Deuce with Simply Pricess? Isn't he a second gen Superstar as well? There's a 4 man stable for you right there!

Deuce lack of charisma will just hurt Priceless. even though Manu is not the most charismatic wrestler in the stable, he has a specific spot; the enforcer of the group. So I dont think poor Deuce can get a spot in here. Good idea though.

6. RAW was getting great ratings during the Anarchy angle after the draft...what does that tell you?

That John Cena is injured IMO.

7. Marella is mic talent, not in ring talent. Why is he IC champion? Perhaps Punk should win this title for a while, in case he becomes champ again. This might give him more credibility!

and maybe Punk can delight us with his supreme comedy skills...
Santino is giving the IC belt and himself a good projection. When the time is right to cut santino skits, then I guarantee you that someone who really deserves the title will get it.

Those are my thought! Agree with me? E-feud with me? Let me know what you guys think? Because remember. It's fun to pretend

Some good ideas overall, but i dont understand why you are trying to bash Batista and Priceless in the first place and why do you think a comedy talent cant have a decent championship push like Santino?

 

[FromTheSouth]

I've been saying that the brandsplit needs to be ended for a while. I hate the idea of all these talented performers being isolated from each other. Kane vs. Mysterio happened because those guys needed something to do. Want to spruce up the tag division? Don't keep the Brothers of Destruction apart.

The argument I always get is that there is not enough time on TV without the brands separated, but they seemed to get 50 superstars on Smackdown. And not everyone needs to be on TV every show. There are less than 20 performers that need to be on every show. You can easily get the whole roster on TV every week with two shows.

 

[Khalifa]

i am liking the brand split. i dont no why it needs to be changed. if we had those big matches on raw and smackdown every week then what is the point of a PPV. Come on why have jeff hardy vs rey mysterio on a normal show instead of a PPV. It would draw money it. this is what Vince wants. Also if they did merge there would be hardly any room for other people like kofi and umaga and that stuff. this is what would happen

match one= tag team match. Ted disbase and Cody rhodes vs the carltio's

match 2= undertaker vs jeff hardy

Do i need to say anything more. these matches are PPV matches not normal show matches

 

[FromTheSouth]

i am liking the brand split. i dont no why it needs to be changed. if we had those big matches on raw and smackdown every week then what is the point of a PPV. Come on why have jeff hardy vs rey mysterio on a normal show instead of a PPV. It would draw money it. this is what Vince wants. Also if they did merge there would be hardly any room for other people like kofi and umaga and that stuff. this is what would happen

match one= tag team match. Ted disbase and Cody rhodes vs the carltio's

match 2= undertaker vs jeff hardy

Do i need to say anything more. these matches are PPV matches not normal show matches

Ok, this is terrible. First of all, the WWE has PPV matches on TV all the time. HBK vs. Jeff Hardy was on Raw, it was a classic, and it didn't hurt the PPV. Jeff Hardy vs. Rey Mysterio would suck, because Rey sucks, and that doesn't deserve to be on PPV. As to your argument about time on TV, did you watch Smackdown Friday? They got 50 people on it. The WWE has three more hours of TV every week. There is time for everyone. If the WWE doesn't find time for you over their five hours then they don't need you or you won't be there long.

I have no problem with people who like split brands when they can form a cogent argument, but you are out of your league.

 

[Milkyway!]

1. Get rid of Mike "Damn!ale" and get a GM that people love or love to hate.

2. Quit pushing Jibble and Botchtista down our throats every week, two of the most over-rated Superstars ever!

3. Rekindle the tag team division. Cryme Tyme and Simply Worthless are a good start but RAW should have a few more. How about teaming up Knox and Snitsky? Noble and London? Holly and Simmons? I'm not saying they would work or be great, but you're not gonna find out unless you experiment are you?

4. Start pushing guys like Kingston, Regal (Don't push too much cause he is a user), Paulumbo (he is talented I don't care what anyone says!), Haas, Burchill, D-Lo, and Cade.

5. Why isn't Deuce with Simply Pricess? Isn't he a second gen Superstar as well? There's a 4 man stable for you right there!

6. RAW was getting great ratings during the Anarchy angle after the draft...what does that tell you?

7. Marella is mic talent, not in ring talent. Why is he IC champion? Perhaps Punk should win this title for a while, in case he becomes champ again. This might give him more credibility!

1. i like mike adamle, lol its like a napolean dynomyte funny....hes pretty stupid..but then again, hes no eric bichoff >.>

2. Yes, lets just throw batista in the mid-card....=\ hes only the most over superstar in the business...

3. I agree, the teams you said, make me want to cut my throat tho.....to make a good tag team, you have to have something very important in common, take rey rey (who should retire?) and bourne will put borne over, give me entertainment, and make a decent tag team because of their high flying......take carlito/his brother....their brothers?? lol....

4.D-lo, i have no clue what their doing with him same with palumbo (spelling) are being pushed?? LOL

5. the teams you put down, are you ******ed???????? DUECE WITH PRICELESS??? LOOOOOOOL they are re-creating the 4 horseman with this guys....all they need is a ric flair (which will be EXCRUCIATINGLY hard to find) and a bit more rub from their dads/older superstars....and bam, thats one heck of a stable....

6. hmm, you really make me laugh, when that was going on didnt you see any of the polls at all on WZ?? =\ that had like 900 votes out of 10K...lol.....where do you come up with this crap? Kane was hitting his hot spot (now its just dull and boring) jericho/HBK were hitting their hotspot (now, well thats all thats making me watch) =\ all we really have his hbk/jericho/priceless/noble (i really love to see him wrestle i might add)/punk to watch....

7. uhhhhh why take a main eventer, and make him a mid-carder???? =\ punk is doing what he needs to do, RETRIBUTION...and hes actually got the look to be a chaser in my opinion....but santino is micwork, mic is 50% of the business....wrestling, can be improoved...mic has to come natural in my opinion....take steve austin...natural on the mic, if you saw any of his wcw/ecw matches....they sucked (except the ones with steamboat in ecw) and, hes in the top 10 greatest stars ever...now, take matt morgan, from what ive seen, i like his wrestling. but his mic...is (once again) slice my throat......from what ive seen...sure it can be improoved...but it will take much much longer than if he were just working on wrestling, and had the mic skills..

now to add what i think on the thread...

what wwe needs....is simple, fire rey, let the roh stars...do what they do...the only reason the roh stars (the kindrick, punk, etc you know who they are prolly better than i do ) is because of rey rey (as much as i love him, he just cant wrestle anymore) if you tune into TNA (not anymore, try about 2004 TNA) or see ROH you see real high flyers...on wwe they take the moves reyrey does, and make it look like high flying, just so you know, he does the utmost of basic high flying, wwe gets hella merchandice off of rey rey but honestly, he would look pathetic if they could wrestle their great styles of wrestling... lol..LET THEM WRESTLE...because they can do it, and put on one hell of a show...

give me something new...please? =\ everything wwe spits out, weve seen several times before....im not even saying give me new gimmicks, im saying give me new storylines, give me new endings to shows....give me controversy, because my friends controvery creates cash...give me ENTERTAINING WRESTING

wwe likes to give me comedy..good, i like comedy...but i dont like santino...if hes just copying Honkey tonk man from 10 years ago, IVE ALLREADY SEEN IT...santino can be something (as stated above) but, just give him better material to work with please? does anyone remember the first time they saw ric flair wrestle?? does anyone remember the 100th time you say ric flair wrestle?? (from the 80's of course) =\ it was always diffrent, even if it was 1 move he learnt, or even a new catch phrase...he gave me something new..

 

[Tim]

Don't get rid of the brandsplit, this would just mean only Main event guys get to get on the program, unless they make it into a four hour show. And nobody wants to see that.

I agree with Hardcore Kennedy, it's the card positions that are worrying. The main event guys are staying the same, the mid card guys are getting lost in the shuffle and trying to break out, and the tag teams have just lost everything. Firstly, they need to dedicate more time to each of the titles. At a PPV, they're giving Honky Tonk man, Piper or Goldust the chance to win a midcard title. COME ON!! Get some proper feuds going over the mid card and tag titles, they mean nothing now. And reorganise the show so that there is time to showcase each division, instead of the main eventers taking up time. The only thing that matters anymore in the WWE are the world titles, and this needs to change to make the WWE more interesting.

 

[Richard]

There is no chance in hell of Vince McMahon ending the brand split.

Think about it, RAW live each week and SmackDown/ECW tapings. That's two times a week that Vince can make money off from people attending and there will be two arenas of people walking past merchandise stands with little kids begging their parents to get them the lates Cena, Hardy Boyz or Batista merchandise so why would Vince end the brand split and cut those potential sales in half? Vince is a business man and what do business men want? Money. There is more money to be made in having the brand extensions than only have one show.

The use of the brands can also open up for storylines aswell. E.g Survivor Series 2005, SmackDown vs RAW and the draft.

Also, regarding the what would be of an abundance of talent. Tim said it well, the one show would just be showcasing the main event talent unless the show was extended. What would happen to the increasing amount of younger talent? They would get very little TV time and by the time the main eventers leave after dominating the main event scene, we will have all these younger guys and people will be complaining again like people were with Punk "Oh, he's not ready blah blah blah blah". The 3 separate brands works perfectly well as it spreads the talent nicely across the 3 brands.

K Bro 30, you talk about unifying the titles, if you have one brand and have less world titles, you are going to have a bigger cluster of wrestlers in that main event scene which may sound exciting to see now, but after a while the story lines will get stale and we will be sick and tired of seeing the same guys wrestle each other.

KellyKellyIsSexy, you say give you entertainment? In the short term, the end of the brand split would be entertaining, but guess what? After a while, it will all get stale and we will see the same wrestlers wrestling the same people and then you will be back again saying, give me entertainment, give me controversy.

In conclusion, keep the brands separate.

 

[Slyfox696]

If this needs to be moved or what not, please go ahead and do.

It's not like we really need your permission. We'll do what we want with the thread. Thanks though.

Lets face it, a lot of things need to change, and I think the best thing WWE can do right now is end the split brands. Make ECW more isolated from Raw and Smackdown, and reunite Raw and Smackdown, keeping only younger guys who need to develop in ECW, with a couple of veterans to help put them over. But look at the advantages, you have more time between PPV's to develop storylines. You can advertise your big names for every show, and you have no limit to matches. Come on, Jeff Hardy vs Rey Mysterio wouldn't be a great match?

You say that the WWE needs a change, so you want to show everyone together twice a week? That's not smart thinking. Your idea only increases the problem.

The biggest problem is overexposure. Overexposure of the wrestlers, of the product and wrestling in general. The WWE is in a unique place, which has NEVER happened to wrestling in America before. They have guys on TV who have been on TV for too long. Guys like Undertaker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Jericho, etc. All of these guys have had a TV life far longer than ANYONE in the history of wrestling. Every week, we see these guys on TV. It gets old and boring and completely stagnant. But, they are two of the WWE's biggest live attendance draws, so you keep them. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing.

Putting these guys on TV MORE is not the solution. The solution is to put them on LESS. Make it special to see your top guys wrestle.

The only way to make the WWE better is to cut ECW and make Smackdown a 1 hour show. Have your top guys sell the PPVs, but not wrestle for free, except in glorified squash matches or to build storylines. That makes the PPV matches much more interesting, and builds the young talent.

Now, obviously that isn't a good business decision considering the money they get from those shows, but it's the only way to make it "exciting" again.

1. Get rid of Mike "Damn!ale" and get a GM that people love or love to hate.

Adamle has done a fantastic job. Personally, I grow tired of face or heel GMs. I like having a neutral GM for a change.

2. Quit pushing Jibble and Botchtista down our throats every week, two of the most over-rated Superstars ever!

Pushing them down your throat? How does that work?

6. RAW was getting great ratings during the Anarchy angle after the draft...what does that tell you?

That people were interested in the draft outcome, and once they saw how convoluted the show became, they turned it off en masse.

I'll get to the rest of you later.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

The only things that i think WWE can improve on is the development of RAW's midcard....You have Santino as the IC but if he is gonna threaten Honky Tonk Man's record, who is he gonna beat...You can put Bourne, Kofi, Burchill and Rey Mysterio(don't see why everybody hates him so much) in the midcard and also CM Punk to a lesser extent....I like how their tag division is but I think they need one more face tag team (Noble and Haas?)

 

[ronthony717]

Wwe does not need to change dramasticly... You really want. Ready for this...
Undertaker, triple H, jeff hardy, mark henry, edge, big show, john cena, batista, randy orton, shawn michaels, chris jericho, rey mysterio, jbl, kane, matt hardy, cm punk all on the same show?

That's about 16 guys taking the spot of developing guys.. And isn't that ur point to get rid of the split?

The split is great.. Imo everything is good except lack of storylines and stables.. Yeah the raw roster is confusing when it comes to picking out the mid carders but that's great cause ne one can grab it.. No one is at the bottem except for who? Deuce and stinstky? So what.. They aren't push worthy anyway... Santino as ic champion is the best they can do cause whose the last most talked about ic champ that u can name? No one has made any kind of impact with the ic title.. This guy is running around making the biggest deal in the world that he's ic champion.. He's making that title seem like its the main title.. I haven't seen that really done since rock austin and triple h all held it... And him putting it against piper honky or goldust is funny.. Goldust would be an interesting mic fued lol and honky tonk mans rep is on the line.. And we all remember piper and santino has had a fued... And ecw is being the develop brand for new guys so why change? Mvp tbk shelton r truth are taking control of the mid card on sd... Jeff triple h undertaker big show edge and even klozlov are gonna take charge of the main event part.. Umaga and kennedy will return and u kno they will be on top as well.. The tag division is building with cryme tyme, priceless, coltons, miz and morrison, hawkins and ryder and jesse and festus all in it right now.. It'll grow just give it time.. Its becoming something again like the ic title and wrestling.. So just relax sit back and enjoy the shows.. Cause I kno I am...

 

[FromTheSouth]

See, I disagree here. First of all, with the Boogeyman coming back, how could you not want to see him vs. the entire roster? Think of the five star classics!

Honestly, I've said before that the top 16 guys can be put into about 45 minutes of each show (not on ECW). You have, after commercials, roughly three hours and 45 minutes of TV. The top guys won't be in 8 one on one matches. There would be 4 promos, and two tag matches. Plus, a couple of those guys would be facing midcard guys, and an occasional midcard win is all it would take to elevate someone. Only HHH and Undertaker are going to be constantly at the top. You can slap Edge and Orton together for three months again. They can feud with the Hardy's. All of a sudden, Edge wins the belt, and he has a ready made opponent in the Hardy's. No one would get lost in the shuffle. If they can work 50 guys into Smackdown last week, they can work 35 guys into every regular show. No one needs to be on TV every show except for the tip top guys. HHH, Undertaker, Batista, Cena, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Edge, and Jericho are the only guys that demand time every show. HBK comes around hardcore for a couple of months, and then goes every other week. CM Punk doesn't have to wrestle on every show. I didn't even notice he was missing until they shoehorned him into No Mercy.

But then again, Vince makes way too much money with TWO touring groups, so I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

 

[LMaruko]

1. Get rid of Mike "Damn!ale" and get a GM that people love or love to hate.

Adamle is on his way to greatness! He just doesn't know how to put himself over or attract major heat. Since the guy is an old sports announcer, just have him watch archived footage of heel(Bischoff) or face(Flair/Long) GMs.

2. Quit pushing Jibble and Botchtista down our throats every week, two of the most over-rated Superstars ever!

Agreed! With Jericho as the current champ, I would like to see another Orton run, and have the Simply Priceless stable take over RAW, a-la Evolution, and have Orton and DiBiase claim that they are better than Evolution. Major heat!!

3. Rekindle the tag team division. Cryme Tyme and Simply Worthless are a good start but RAW should have a few more. How about teaming up Knox and Snitsky? Noble and London? Holly and Simmons? I'm not saying they would work or be great, but you're not gonna find out unless you experiment are you?

Agreed again! The tag team division (aside from CT and Priceless) is stale, and the tag titles seem branded as a mid-to-low card title now. I sometimes change channels (except for when Primo and Carlito won on Friday. That was cool, and yes, I'm stealing Carlito's lines) when tag titles are defended because it's so stale. Whatever happened to the days of the Hardyz, Edge/Christian, or the Dudleyz? I say to liven the tag teams, give each team a match gimmick that they use occasionally.

4. Start pushing guys like Kingston, Regal (Don't push too much cause he is a user), Paulumbo (he is talented I don't care what anyone says!), Haas, Burchill, D-Lo, and Cade.

Split up old talent, having them dark match or start out each show, getting some air time? Ones who develop should be pushed, like the newer faces.

5. Why isn't Deuce with Simply Pricess? Isn't he a second gen Superstar as well? There's a 4 man stable for you right there!

Damn, Bunnytracks!! I like your ideas! Deuce should be given a HUGE overhaul and have some relation to his dad, then be placed in the Simply Priceless stable. Superflyin' Solo Snuka!!

6. RAW was getting great ratings during the Anarchy angle after the draft...what does that tell you?

That tells you that people hate authority and love the people who defy it. It's the real-world relation. Bring Vinnie Mac back and have him be the ultimate in authority again.

7. Marella is mic talent, not in ring talent. Why is he IC champion? Perhaps Punk should win this title for a while, in case he becomes champ again. This might give him more credibility!

I agree where Santino is mic talent, and he shouldn't be a IC champ (rather as Beth Phoenix's wussy manager), but to move Punk down to mid-card belittles him and takes away his WHC credibility.

 

[Why Always Me]

I have said for ages and ages that the split needs to end, Smackdown this past week was awesome!!!

The WWE showed that they could put together a weekly show with 50+ superstars from all 3 brands.

ECW needs to go, now. The respective titles shouldbe unified, but keep the ECW title as the new hardcore belt.

The only thing that would be bad for the WWE is that they may lose money from the fact that they can run a house show for a brand when the other is doing a TV show, but I would say that if the rosters came together, the arenas would start selling out again rather than having to cover empty seats with big black blankets.

 

[K Bro 30]

I just personally think that they are struggling from a storyline standpoint. I'll be honest, I don't even watch ECW that much, so I can only speak on what I know from the guys I have seen before.

My biggest reason for ending the split is to make it more interesting. You have 8 shows to build up a climactic match instead of 4. There are definitely segments of both shows that I feel don't serve much of a purpose than killing time. I think merging brands would help boost the tag team division because you would at least have enough teams to make it an all out sort of thing. Between the Colons, Hawkins and Rhyder, Jesse and Festus, Team Priceless, Cryme Time, etc.

I understand that split brands has allowed for some new blood to come on the scene, but it's still the same guys at the top. Raw's problem is they have names, but it's not interesting (I'll refer to the scramble match, all former champions), or Smackdown has interesting potential, but you put The Brian Kendrick and Shelton Benjamin in the World Title match, anyone with a brain knew that neither of them would win going in.

And as for the titles, the fact that there are 2 main titles, they take prestige away from each other. When there was one title, whoever held it was the best in wrestling, now, they are just the best on their show. We saw the great show Smackdown put on last week with no roster limitations, but unless WWE starts pushing this new talent, I don't think split brands makes the product better.

 

[Richard]

I just personally think that they are struggling from a storyline standpoint. I'll be honest, I don't even watch ECW that much, so I can only speak on what I know from the guys I have seen before.

But from a financial standpoint, Vince is in a much better position he would be in if he stopped the SmackDown/ECW tapings. The SmackDown/ECW tapings allow another entire arena full of potential merchandise customers. Vince is a business man, don't forget.

My biggest reason for ending the split is to make it more interesting. You have 8 shows to build up a climactic match instead of 4. There are definitely segments of both shows that I feel don't serve much of a purpose than killing time. I think merging brands would help boost the tag team division because you would at least have enough teams to make it an all out sort of thing. Between the Colons, Hawkins and Rhyder, Jesse and Festus, Team Priceless, Cryme Time, etc.

What's going to happen in a couple of years if the brand split ends? We would have seen everyone wrestle each other. If the brand split would end, we would have SmackDown guys fueding with RAW, RAW guys fueding with SmackDown, ECW guys fueding with RAW guys and then after a while once those stories have ended, they would be back to fueding with each other again. The brand split was a good move and should not be ended.

I understand that split brands has allowed for some new blood to come on the scene, but it's still the same guys at the top. Raw's problem is they have names, but it's not interesting (I'll refer to the scramble match, all former champions), or Smackdown has interesting potential, but you put The Brian Kendrick and Shelton Benjamin in the World Title match, anyone with a brain knew that neither of them would win going in.

Good, then you should undertstand that ending the brand split would then possibly decrease the possible time the younger talent are allowed on television?

And as for the titles, the fact that there are 2 main titles, they take prestige away from each other. When there was one title, whoever held it was the best in wrestling, now, they are just the best on their show. We saw the great show Smackdown put on last week with no roster limitations, but unless WWE starts pushing this new talent, I don't think split brands makes the product better.

Of course it makes the product better, it gives the chance for young talent to rise up and get some exposure against some main event or high mid card talent. The only way the WWE could make it work, would be if they wished a lot of wrestlers well on their future endeavours. The current WWE model of 3 brands is perfectly fine as they are there for a reason. If everyone was on the same brand, it wouldn't be interesting in the long run. Having multiple brands also allows for storylines to be created as in 2005 we saw brand vs brand, general manager vs general manager, we saw Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle go to the other one's brand to attack each other before WrestleMania 21, Kurt Angle jumping from RAW to SmackDown to win the WHC was unexpected because there was more than one brand which made it more entertaining.

Ending the brand split would be interesting for a while, but it's not practical.

 

[K Bro 30]

Well then if you're going to do split brands, keep them split. The way they are doing it now sucks. Seeing Raw vs Smackdown isn't really a big deal anymore, and I agree that they are exposing newer talent, but that is all they are doing, exposing it. Why is the main event picture still HHH vs Hardy and Jericho vs Batista?

All that has really happened is we have heard of more guys, but it is still predictable. We saw the kind of show that they can put on with a full roster. It completely fills a women's, tag team, and mid card for the company. And if you read my original post, I said keep ECW and keep it separate. When new guys are ready to come up, they enter the picture, and then that creates different feuds. I'm just saying that 8 episodes of feuding is more powerful than 4, 6-8 tag teams is better than 3 or 4, and you have a boatload of talent to work with.

And I'm not asking if it will happen, because I know Vince is in it for the money. However, as far as making the product better from a viewer standpoint, I think that last weeks Smackdown was the best show I watched in awhile, and that was because they crossed brands. I think if you end the brand split, you can legitimately get the TV time to make RAW 3 hours, and if Smackdown keeps up their success on MYNetwork, then make that 3 hours too. I think extending the shows would give everyone time, and WWE can fill a great card. And you can keep ECW as a way to make new stars.

 

[Richard]

Well then if you're going to do split brands, keep them split. The way they are doing it now sucks. Seeing Raw vs Smackdown isn't really a big deal anymore, and I agree that they are exposing newer talent, but that is all they are doing, exposing it. Why is the main event picture still HHH vs Hardy and Jericho vs Batista?

I'm not saying the younger talent should all of a sudden become main eventers, but allow them television time with them just like how Priceless were taking on Cena and Batista. If I remember correctly, DiBiase got the pinfall on Cena to win the tag titles. This is what I mean, I don't think that new talent should be thrust into the WWE/World title scene immediatley, but just having them exposed and getting a victory over some big guys will help establish them.

If at Survivor Series (Not Cyber Sunday because Batista is in the match) if they announced Chris Jericho will defend (Because he will win at Cyber Sunday) against someone new like Manu, it wouldn't be as big as say Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels because Manu hasn't been built up enough yet. (Manu probably isn't the best example but you know what I mean)

They can't just throw some new guy into the main event without him being built up, that's why the main events are how they are.

All that has really happened is we have heard of more guys, but it is still predictable. We saw the kind of show that they can put on with a full roster. It completely fills a women's, tag team, and mid card for the company. And if you read my original post, I said keep ECW and keep it separate. When new guys are ready to come up, they enter the picture, and then that creates different feuds. I'm just saying that 8 episodes of feuding is more powerful than 4, 6-8 tag teams is better than 3 or 4, and you have a boatload of talent to work with.

We have seen it though, but I can garantee you know that people would be coming on message boards talking about how the brand split was a good idea. If you have a boatload of talent, the talent which isn't being utilised will just get lost in the whole thing. This is why it's better to have RAW and SmackDown/ECW separate so that creative have less people to come up with stuff for and focus more on the guys they have at the moment.

And I'm not asking if it will happen, because I know Vince is in it for the money. However, as far as making the product better from a viewer standpoint, I think that last weeks Smackdown was the best show I watched in awhile, and that was because they crossed brands. I think if you end the brand split, you can legitimately get the TV time to make RAW 3 hours, and if Smackdown keeps up their success on MYNetwork, then make that 3 hours too. I think extending the shows would give everyone time, and WWE can fill a great card. And you can keep ECW as a way to make new stars.

The WWE is good at the moment, nothing brand wise or time wise should be changed. The current WWE model of 2 hours of RAW, 2 hours of SmackDown and 1 hour of ECW works just fine.

 

[Milkyway!]

hmm, for those of you who are saying "do the brandsplit" really makes me question your intelligance level (says the guy who cant even spell good >.>) haha, but anyways

you have to realize something VERY important here....

Wwe has about 50-70 stars (i think) and with the 3 brands each show has about 20-30 stars on it (i think) ...i read above, someone said "smackdown showed 50+ stars and it was awesome!!!" if good talent gets lost in the mix (london/shelton for a couple years/chavo.....etc) when theres 20-30 stars.....now just picture....50-70 stars on one show...unless wwe raw goes 3 hours (which will never happen, you couldnt hold peoples attention for three hours unless its like the most amazing movie youve ever seen, hardly ever do even movies go 3 hours......thats for a reason) anyways, how many stars would end up getting lost in the mix?? they would just be up the creek, with a paddle but have no arms (i joke, no one prolly understands that, just use the old up the creep w/o a paddle if you dont get that) and slowly just make their way to TNA/back down to the indies??? exactly....=\ wed end up having about 30 stars that showed every week...compared to seeing 5 hours of wrestling (7 including tna) through out the week...thats three more hours, and about 50 more stars i get good stories (which in my opinion why wwe is sucking, no good stories, no contreversy, just read my post on page 1) and at least 20 mins of tv i get to see....

not to mention, vince makes prolly about 40-100% more money this way...i wouldnt be suprised if wwe is bringing in as much money as they were during the attitude era if not more.., just using the diffrent shows as to how they are doing it