Is it insensitive to criticize Paul Walker so shortly after his death?

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Or is it something that should wait until after he's been dead, say, a year? I ask that not to be a smart-ass, but as a serious question. For those who have been living under a rock, Walker died 18 days ago in a fiery car-crash, as a passenger in his best friend's car. Walker was leaving a benefit for a foundation he created, Reach Out World, for victims of natural disasters in third world countries. His charity supplied a number of first responders to those places, people trained specifically in providing care in disaster relief. Walker's death wasn't the case of drinking and driving, drugs, or an overdose. While I have sympathy for those who die of those things, I understand those who don't.

No, Walker wasn't the typical celebrity who died young, and is easy to throw barbs at. He was considered humble, and was seemingly universally beloved by those he worked with. While we all hear sentiments of "How Sad" from other celebrities when one of their own died, you can tell the grief was heartfelt and sincere. Walker truly seemed to be one of the good guys, and his death is far too young.

However, in case you've been living under a smaller rock, Walker, who died at age 40, had a girlfriend, Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell, who was 23 years old at the time of his death. The couple had been together for 7 years, meaning Walker was 33, while Pilchard-Gosnall was only 16. Walker, who, in his defense, can't really fight back, has been under plenty of scrutiny since his death due to the vast age difference, and that when he started dating her, she was underage.

I've read article after article, on both sides of the equation here. What troubles me here is that few people have actually defended Walker for dating a woman so young, and at one time, underage. The argument against chastising Walker has been that he just recently died, so let's remember him for the good man he seemingly was. The articles that have criticized Walker have been much more sensible. The age difference was too great, he was taking advantage of her, and she was underage. Flat-out, the arguments have been, it doesn't matter when Walker died. What he did was wrong, and he deserves criticism for it. If people are going to praise him for the good that he did, the things he did "wrong" should also be examined.

The biggest factor here for me, or anytime a celebrity dies, is to think of the family. He left behind a 15 year old daughter, parents, and siblings, not to mention Pilsard-Gosnall herself. The last thing they need to hear right now is how Walker was a "statatory rapist" who "preyed on younger women." I'm not saying to paint him a saint and hang it in the Vatican. I'm simply saying just leave it be.

Walker was human, just like the rest of us. Does it bother me he dated someone so young, at his age? Sure, it does. But it bothers me just as much that every other Paul Walker story I see online is criticizing him for it. I understand it's a hot news story, but how is it relevant to his death?

I don't see how, and thus, shouldn't be fodder for gossip right now. So yeah, with regards to his family and loved ones, it is insensitive. No matter how many hits one can gain from it for their blog, or magazines they can sell.
 
I don't see how, and thus, shouldn't be fodder for gossip right now. So yeah, with regards to his family and loved ones, it is insensitive.

I suppose it is, yet this is the way of the world today, particularly in the media. Not too many years ago, you would swear that only nice people died, since all you read in the period following their deaths were the good things about them.

As to Walker's relationship with the girl, I don't have any particular feeling about it, figuring that was a problem for her family to deal with, especially since it began when she was 16. As it is, they are the ones comforting Jasmine now, so whatever fuss they might (or might not) have made back then, it's history now.

Would it have been nice for media to hold off on criticism of ol' Lance Harbor for awhile? Sure, but it's not vital.
 
A few things/questions come to mind for myself when hearing about his relationship:

1) He dated her for 7 years. Sure she was only 16 when they started dating but why would a Hollywood actor risk his career for doing something like that? Maybe he thought she was 18 when they started (only hearing about it after she was in fact 18) or maybe he loved her and didn't care about age. For all we know they had 1 date when she was 16, Paul Walker found out that night and said "I really like you but lets wait a few years to get serious" and they hung out as friends for the 1st few years. A little far fetched but the point is we have no clue, it could have been completely innocent that deserves no scrutiny.

2) He dated her for 7 years and it wasn't until he died that I heard anything about this. While some treated him like a great guy there has been others that seemingly went out of their way to tarnish his image after the guy died. Maybe no one knew about the relationship for 7 years but I find that really hard to believe. Regardless of the circumstances that's a shitty thing to do.

3) Whatever happened in their relationship is nobodies business but Paul Walker and Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell.

4) Regardless of the relationship it shouldn't take away from who Paul Walker was as a person. "Sure he did a lot of selfless acts and for the most part was a great guy but HE DATED A 16 YEAR OLD!!! WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!!" It's incredibly sad when people look at the 1 thing that was questionable instead of the million things that point to him being a great guy and once again these people have NO clue what the circumstances were of that relationship or what actually happened.

With all that said my thought's are simple. Whether the guy was a great guy or a not so great guy is irrelevant, the guy has died and frankly I don't think its too much to ask to not drag the guy through the dirt, unless he's done something incredibly heinous (looking at you Benoit!). From what we know Paul Walker was a pretty decent guy for the most part, it shows by how many people are visibly heartbroken about his death so why not look at the big picture here instead of 1 little factoid that society has deemed "inappropriate". Truth be told this isn't the time for people to sit on their high horses and act all high and mighty.
 
I brought it up in the r.i.p. thread and simply asked if it changed anyone's views on him.
From what I remember about people's responses everyone seemed to politely answer my question saying that while it was weird or whatever that he started dating her when she was a teenager it didn't really matter to them.

I have this question though. If he wasn't such a well liked person would he have gotten a free pass?

Honestly to me it seems kind of like a double standard. He's likeable so people defend him and let it slide.

I'm not sure how people reacted when it first became public that they were dating seven years ago. That really would have been more of a relevant time for people to talk about it.

I was hesitant to bring it up when I did because it was just a couple days after the accident. I didn't bring it up to try to bash him or anything. I was genuinely curious to know if people even cared and it seems like no one in that thread did.

I think it would have been a much bigger deal if she was still a teenager when he died and it came out that they were dating. It probably would have been a scandal. I think enough time has passed that people are more forgiving.
 
I just hope when Joey Buttafuoco dies people look at him for the good things he did and not his relationship with Amy Fisher. Why are people constantly looking down on that guy from Green Mile for marrying Courtney Stodden? How come haters are always picking on polyamorous Mormons, not necessarily for the polygamy, but for basically putting these women (girls) in to relationships at such young ages they never have a chance to be their own person and make their own lifestyle decisions?

It's funny (unlike my paragraph above), when I saw the title of this thread I thought it was in refernce to Walker being a shit actor, not a statutory rapist. If that were the case I'd say it's definitely innapropriate to comment on Walker's inability to have half the talent of Hayden Christiansen. The guy just dies tragically and his acting ability is pretty petty in comparison. But is it insensitive? Only to the people that truly loved Paul Walker the man.

I guess it goes the same way with his relationship. I wouldn't think it right to go up to his kid and criticize his dad for starting to date someone who was 16 but to all the dumb asses on the internet with no real emotional attachment it has to be said that there may have been something really wrong about the genesis of that relationship. I guarantee you if you ever catch me in a relationship with a 16 year old there is definitely something very wrong going on.
 
It seems so insensitive to criticize Paul Walker at this point in time because his death was a "freak accident." Not that they did anything worthy of criticism, but the same thing could have been said about Brandon Lee, Aaliyah, or Steve Irwin.

I'm also a little bit hesitant to criticize Walker for this because he was with this woman for 7 years. It's not as if Walker pulled a Polanski and decided he wanted some sweet, luded-up teenage poon. Yeah, it's a little fucking creepy, but I think the only person that can judge Walker are the woman's parents. I will say one thing, though: if I was the father of this woman and I found out Walker was giving it to my teenage daughter, I would have whooped his ass.
 
You'd think that as much as society seems to value being politically correct to the point of ramming it down everyone's collective throats and up our collective asses simultaneously that people would be less inclined to slander someone after death. That's never been the case, however, nor will it ever be.

As far as Walker goes, I admit that it's definitely creepy when you hear about a 33 year old man dating a 16 year old. It might even be downright disturbing really. At the same time, however, it's important to not make generalizations. For instance, everyone who has sex with someone who's not at the age of legal consent isn't a sexual deviant. There are several men incarcerated in the facility I work who were convicted of statutory rape who genuinely aren't bad people. One of them had sex with a 15 year old when he was 18 and they gave him 5 years for it, even though he had a record that was cleaner than Sheldon Cooper's bed sheets. So when it comes to Walker and this girl, it's important not to make some sort of generalization like, "Well, Walker was banging this chick when she was only 16, so that means he's a pedophile." Personally, I do think it's creepy, as I said, but that's not an automatic indictment of Walker's character as a whole.

Everyone has little things about their lives that might not exactly be 100% squeaky clean & wholesome. I don't think such a standard has ever really existed for any society in any civilization in the history of the world. If the worst thing Paul Walker ever did in his life was have consensual sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 33 years of age, then I'm not gonna be in line waiting my turn to piss on his grave.
 
If this is the only thing bad people can say about him it's kind of grasping at straws. Yes it's a bit strange for a 33 year old to date a 16 year old. But don't forget Michael Douglas is 25 years older than Catherine Zeta Jones and Charlie Chaplin was 36 years older than his last wife.

Seeing as they were together for 7 years it really doesn't seem like he was there for a quick bang. Sure her parents probably thought it was weird and probably tried to stop her. But if she was still willing to see him and he her then there must have been some genuine attraction.
 
When I first read the title I thought no it isn't insensitive, because I thought you were talking about say criticizing him for his acting or movies. When I read further into it and saw what people were making a big deal about then I changed my mind.

I haven't heard of this story with Walker, but not only is it insensitive to do it after his death, but it's insensitive to do it at all. It is none of their business. It's their personal life. Yet, like some of you have already said this is the world we live in. Take Joe Paterno for example. Look at the disrespect that guy has gotten. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending him he definitely didn't make the right decisions when it came to that situation, but some of the heat he got was a little too much for how much involvement he actually had in what happened. He had a legacy in Penn State, and what happened after his death was anything but respect for him. The guy dies, and they actually tear down his statue. They strip him and the school of all the titles they had won even if what happened had nothing to do with on the field play. I never even liked Penn State or Paterno, but when that went down I just felt it wasn't right.

That's what people do, though. Nobody is perfect, and everybody isn't some perfect little angel. Yet everyone acts like it, especially when judging people in the public eye. That's just what they do. And when someone dies, they like to make an even bigger deal out of those types of things. It's disgusting, but it's the world we live in.
 
I don't think it's a big deal at all. 16 is the popular age of consent among most states. If he wants to bang a 16-year-old, as long as she's consenting, he should go right ahead.

I'd feel much different if he was an older man who took advantage of younger girls and left them high and dry, but he apparently fell in love, got married, had kids and they ended up staying together until his death. That's pretty fucking great. I have no idea why anyone would be against that.
 

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