Interesting fact about Kane's match record.

[Diet Soda]

On Raw this week during the opening tag team match Michael Cole mentioned that Kane has wrestled 899 matches whilst in WWE.

Doing some quick Googling, this does includes his time as Isaac Yankem DDS and as Fake Diesel since Glen Jacobs has of course been part of WWF/E since 1995, and I'd assume this also included house shows.

I got me thinking, with Punk's current title reign being quantified by the number of days he's been champion and how the angle has worked rather well, do you think it's possible that Kane could go and compete in 1000 matches before his retirement? Or even before he reaches 20 years with the company.

Could this angle work to give Kane one last blaze of glory at the end of his career? Could it be used to create a sort-of "mini-streak" which ultimately puts over someone up-and-coming? Or does nobody give a toss about Big Red anymore?

 

[Slash-LN]

It could be used I guess. It's very possible that they mentioned it for a reason. Someone has obviously been keeping count for whatever reason. You were able to verify it's truth.

I think can can definitely reach 1,000 before he retires if it's counting house shows.

The only question I have for you is how would it help an up and coming star? Give me a scenario where it means something to someone who isn't the person achieving the 1,000 mark and how they would benefit from it.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

899 doesn't sound like that much over a 17 year career if you are including house shows. It averages to 53 a year. Now I know he's had breaks in his early time as he jumped from character to character but something about your calculations isn't passing my smell test.

What do know about this so called Google?

 

[kcoe24]

I believe i saw some where that it's a televised record so it doesn't include house shows. I don't see a storyline in it just the announcers putting over the fact that hes been around for so long and maybe that fact can help put over a younger guy but no storyline being built around it.

 

[Pedigree1]

Only 899 matches in a 17 year career? As George steele's Barber said thats not much at all. What is that around 50 or so matches a year give or take a few. I think the math is way off it has to be more than that alot more!

 

[Diet Soda]

The only question I have for you is how would it help an up and coming star? Give me a scenario where it means something to someone who isn't the person achieving the 1,000 mark and how they would benefit from it.

I'm thinking of it like this - Kane is around his 990th match and he starts building up an impressive winning streak. Commentators put him over as collecting momentum towards his thousandth match, bound to land on a PPV typically. The up-and-comer does the usual spiel of threatening to break the little winning streak and promises to stop Kane reaching his target. We end up with a stipulation wherein Kane can boost someone new and retire (or even continue his career). With me? Thought so. Moving on.

899 doesn't sound like that much over a 17 year career if you are including house shows. It averages to 53 a year. Now I know he's had breaks in his early time as he jumped from character to character but something about your calculations isn't passing my smell test.

What do know about this so called Google?

Googling? It's when you stand behind a mare and pull it's tail and the number of time she kicks you in the balls is the answer to your question, rounded up to the nearest ten. Sorry, we're only just getting used to electricity in this part of the world, and our numbers only go up to 100. I'm dizzy just thinking about it. How long's Raw been going since, again? The year 1885? I need a glass of water. GSB, help me out of the gutter, will you?

So if it is just televised shows we're referring to here, then Kane's overall number of bouts must be in the thousands. Impressive.

 

[Jaffa]

50 a year would definatly make only televised matches then because including house he would be doing close to 150 a year because I remember an episode of superstars when the commentators mentioned including house shows Ziggler and Kofi have versed each other over 100 times.

 

[tvcolosi]

Can't include house shows... I've heard Flair, Race, Dusty, Nash, Hall, Hogan, and every one from the 70's, 80's and 90's say they wrestled 300+ matches a year.. Monday through Friday, some times 2 times Saturday and 2 times on Sunday.....

 

[Danger Burger]

Uh, yeah, I'm gna say this does NOT include house shows.

50 a year sounds like most weeks and PPVs would just cover it!

People do care about Big Red, but this kind of achievement is a very human thing to have him care about. He's definately got another two years in him though, the guy shows no signs of slowing down. And outside of Kayfabe, 1000 matches is a ridiculous achievement. It all comes down to whether or not he plans to retire at 1000 of course. If it is, I'd have him try to go undefeated, or have a Career match or something.

Wrestlemania 30 vs Undertaker, end of an era?

 

[BNXCOW02IWK]

What they could do is have someone put a title up against Kane's thousandth match, I like the idea of Kane winning lets say the last 20 or so matches before 1000 and some challenger, prolly the WHC, risks the title to stop him at a ppv, prolly one of the smaller ones.

 

[Slash-LN]

I can say it definitely does not include house shows.

http://www.profightdb.com/winlossrecord/kane-197.html

Just adding his WWF and WWE numbers from this site comes up with 899. They only keep track of televised events and ppv.

I still think he can easily reach 1,000. He wrestles on Raw a lot and sometimes on Smackdown plus quite a few ppv's throughout the year.

 

[Bernkastel]

Kane still has plenty left in the tank. He's 45 years old and he's agile and strong and is still in great health. Undertaker is two years older and his health is in steady decline, and Khali is a few years younger and can barely move. Unless Kane suffers a major injury - and he hasn't in years - that puts him out for an extended amount of time he could easily have 5 more years in the tank... more than enough to get to 1000 matches.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

His record as Kane - (1,149-816-106)
His record including all previous gimmicks (Christmas Creature and Doomsday in USWA; Bruiser Mastino in WCW; Unabomb in SMW; Fake Diesel, Black Knight, Isaac Yankem and Kane in WWE) - (1,237-988-129)

courtesy of http://www.wrestlingdata.com/

 

[Richard Blonoff]

So long as his knees hold out he could totally hit 1k. I can't recall any major injuries in his career, but with most guys his height, knee and joint issues can be a problem with age.

I'm not sure about building a story around it, even as a face Kane isn't really a guy who screams company man, despite that fact that Glenn Jacobs is just that, but I think they should give him an on air nod.

 

[robbo316]

I've just had a look at a quiz on here http://www.sporcle.com/games/juror8/mostwwewwfmatches; and Kane is listed as number 6, with 1748 matches. Can't be sure how accurate it is, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

It's another reason I love Kane, both the character and the guy behind the mask. One of the most loyal, hard working guys WWE have probably ever signed. And to this day he still finds ways to be different or make himself relevant to the watching audience.

Oh and just to be like everybody else, despite the fact its been said ten times already, just to reiterate, it does not include house shows. There, I'm an intelligent being now.

 

[Papa Pillman]

The only question I have for you is how would it help an up and coming star? Give me a scenario where it means something to someone who isn't the person achieving the 1,000 mark and how they would benefit from it.

Here is the only way I could see a storyline being built out of this that would have a chance to put another guy over...

First this scenario works best with Kane being a babyface as it happens.

As Kane approaches televised match number 1000, the announcers start to really build up the magnitude of the accomplishment. Much like the weekly updates on Punk's title reign, we get a countdown in each Kane match. Kane himself even comes to appear to take some pride in the record, and its transformed into a building storyline. The WWE even announces plans to throw a large celebration the night that the milestone is acheived.

Then, as things are really gaining steam, and it looks inevitable that the milestone will be surpassed, a feud with a young heel who needs a defining moment comes into play.

Eventually the end game of the feud is this: The heel convinces Kane to put his career on the line in what would be TV match number 999. If Kane loses he cannot reach the goal everyone has been anticipating. This gives the heel a chance to capitolize on, and benefit from, Kane's potential accomplishment despite the fact that it has nothing to do with him.

Winning the match and retiring an icon before he can reach a milestone that everyone is anticipating and that WWE has built up to be a big deal gives the heel a chance to garner massive heat that he can use going forward.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

How does that really equate in a story? It's just an arbitrary milestone. Maybe have a Kane night on Raw? Give him a title shot?

OR you could give it more meaning. Have him say that if he doesn't win the title again by his 1000th WWE match, that he'd retire.

All sorts of ways you can spin it and if there is something to spin, then spin away.

 

[thebarber]

its a silly notion, only including matches televised. Bret Harts first WWE title win wasnt televised, so does that mean it should not count???

Hell Pat Patterson won the IC Title in a tournament that diodnt even take place.

Numbers in wrestling are generally crap, hell Goldberg lost his second match in WCW, but that gets conveniently forgotten when WCW bang on about the undefeated streak.

 

[Diet Soda]

Well, statistics can be manipulated to make a good or bad storyline.

Whenever WWE pulls the plug on Team Hell No, which will probably be soon to make way for new tag teams (Kane vs. DB at WM, casket match? Go on) then Kane's 1000th match could be something interesting to pick up on.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Well, statistics can be manipulated to make a good or bad storyline.

That's for sure. I'm remembering when WWE was advertising Andre the Giant as undefeated. Even after watching him get pinned by Ultimate Warrior in 30 seconds, they were claiming that.

No use letting the facts get in the way of a good selling point.

 

[Skinsley]

Kane has been known recently to have a match on Raw, Smackdown, PPV and even Saturdays Main event in a single week. (when its a ppv week obviously)
Given that stat, then I believe this record may be televised matches only...with exception to the Dark Matches after Raw goes off air that he sometimes participates in maybe.

Kane is and has almost always been a FULL TIME wrestler, something that he deseves recognition for. I believe his 1000th match could and should be turned into a brief storyline and I hope a SHORT transitional title run.

 

[MCMG]

It is a disgrace that Kane doesn't get the respect for his commitment to the WWE. Been at the WWE for that long and still at the top of his game. I doubt there would be any angle the WWE could get out of his longevity. He has done more than enough in putting over superstars and it is simply time for him to get a bit more love and credit for what he has done.