Int Region, St. Louis Region, First Round: (3) Triple H vs. (30) Bubba Ray Dudley

[Big Nick Dudley]

Shattered is putting up one hell of a fight, but it doesn't matter. HHH is moving on, no doubt.

Should he? Yes. However, it isn't nearly as far apart as some are making it. Bubba is in his prime, right now. TNA or not, Bubba has never been more important. He's a great singles wrestler, something I never thought I'd say. He's a coward and a bad ass, and he plays it well.

HHH doesn't dominate people, that's not his game (despite the bullshit he threw us during the build to this year's match with Taker). This would be a long, brutal war, and HHH would win.

I'd pay to see this, and that's saying something. I steal most things wrestling related.

 

[pipebomber]

HHH for sure... bubba was a great tag teamer, and he is doing impressive things in TNA now as a singles wrestler... but TNA and wwe are very different games... didnt they even fued a bit during bubbas short lived wwe singles run?

 

[PsychoBlack]

If you seriously think any wrestler named Dudley would beat HHH in a contest trying to determine who the best wrestler ever is you need to find a new hobby. I hear badminton's down on viewers go try that one out

 

[The Brain]

Bubba is larger than Mick Foley, much more athletic than Mick Foley and has a significantly more powerful moveset than Mick Foley. Mick can take more punishment but that is only half the equation in a brawl.



Remember when HBK, Steiner, Booker T and others were just tag team wrestlers? Why does being without a doubt one of the best tag team wrestlers of all-time mean you can't hang with some of the best singles guys? Sure as far as the esoteric concept of "spots" go singles is higher but in a kayfabe setting why should tag team guys be out of their league when facing singles competitors? The only difference is that you can't tag someone in. That only matters for endurance reasons and we have already established that Ray both has enough singles experience to last long and win and that it isn't like HHH has some massive advantage there. Beer Money was the best tag team in TNA and they broke up and since that they both dominated the main event scene as singles competitors. The idea that tag team guys have no clue how to wrestle top guys is just stupid.

I don't think it is too much to ask for reasons beyond X time singles champ in WWE for a kayfabe match that isn't even in that company. At least JJ did something resembling that although he should know HHH faced big boss man in 1999 and failed to defeat him. He should also admit Ray has defeated AJ (more than once), Scott Steiner, Matt Morgan, Kane, Big Show, Big Boss Man in 2000 and that guy that beat Cena last week among others. Sure, not the resume of HHH but hardly one of a guy that is lost in a one on one match.

This match is far from easy for HHH unless he gets to book it.

I get it. You want to support Bubba. He's obviously going to get steamrolled here and you want to put in a good word for your guy. That's fine but you can't seriously think Bubba Ray freakin Dudley is going to eliminate Triple H in the first round of a tournament to crown the greatest wrestler. I don't think I need to give you a rundown of his resume. He's been one of the most dominant stars in the biggest wrestling company for the past 15 years. If Bubba was on his level he wouldn't have spent the past 15 years in a tag team. I love tag team wrestling but it's been dead for quite a while now. The best wrestlers of the 21st century are singles stars and that's new territory for Bubba. There are plenty of other realistic underdogs to support in the first round. Bubba has no chance.

 

[Johnny Scumm]

HHH for me, all day. Bubba/Bully Ray Dudley is great and all, but up against Triple H, the man who's fought Undertaker three times at Wrestlemania. Then again, Triple H might have the "I won't job" feeling to Ray and it could be more of backstage feelings than actual kayfabe skill. EIther way though, HHH takes this one for me, all the time over.

JS votes Triple H

 

[The Gribbler]

Trips in a squash. But is injured when Bubba sandbags a move like a douche. Trips wins but pulls out of the tourny, bubba advances.

 

[Shocky]

HHH easily. Bubba might go down as one of the best tag team wrestlers of all time, but his singles career is so small in comparison that it's hard to make an argument for him. Yes, he showed signs of greatness in 2002 with his original singles run, and now as Bully Ray he's doing damn well, but that's it. Too small of a sample size to go up against one of the legit all time greats *vomits in my mouth while typing that* in Triple H. The man's resume simply speaks volumes in this matchup.

 

[syxxeffect]

HHH is going to take this one. Bubba is getting a good push in TNA right now, but he is not on HHH's level. This would be a war if it was in the ECW region, but we are in the WCW region and HHH has the better pedigree. No pun intended.

 

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To imply that Bubba Ray would go over is pretty laughable. Bully ray is a pretty excellent heel right now but he's facing a 13 time world champion. 13!

Ray may be a great heel right now(which is sort of a Damning statement) but Triple H was arguably(Maybe behind JBL in 2004) the best heel of his time and was under the tutelage of Ric Flair - the dirtiest player in the game. Ray can have an amazing run in TNA. Hell, he could have the greatest run in the history of TNA. At the end of the day however, he'll still only be widely regarded as a tag team wrestler. I'm not meaning to disrespect Ray in any manner, he's tied with Aeries as the best thing going but he just isn't going over one of the greatest wrestlers of the #1 wrestling organisation in the world. Sad but true.

 

[NSL]

I'm a big Bubba fan. I have been since Buh-Buh Ray Dudley in ECW. But, he's no Triple H. This would be a fairly decent match, but it wouldn't go down as a wrestling masterpiece. As JR would say, it'd be a slobberknocker. I can't picture a way Bubba wins this.

HHH easily gets my vote.

 

[GI Cake]

Triple H is walking out of this one in fine fashion. Ray is having a hell of a run in TNA so far, but Triple H had a hell of a career in WWE. I don't see how the 13 time world champ come out on top against a Tag Team specialist who is now starting to get in the groove of his singles career. Maybe next year once Ray gets a couple of world titles in his resume, he might be able to go over the first round. But Triple H is getting my vote for this one.

 

[Tastycles]

I've been saying that Bubba Ray Dudley was one of the best mic workers going for years, and now it looks as though that is finally being given an opportunity to exploit that potential as a singles wrestler. However, there is a big difference between being given a chance, and running roughshod over just about everyone going. Triple H has done the former for years, and is only now winding down. People could argue that he has used his influence or whatever, but I'm not so sure. He was on his way to the top in 1996-7, long before he even started to go out with Steph.

Anyway, I digress, because even if he has used his influence, it doesn't make a difference, he is still a man that has dominated an era of wrestling and beat almost everyone there is to beat. Except The Undertaker, and as entertaining as Bubba Ray is, he's just not in the same league.

 

[CrissSpades]

Until the Bully Ray character was born in TNA, Bubba Ray was not a glorified and successful singles wrestler. He was a very legendary tag team wrestler alongside Devon, but Bubba doesn't win this. Bubba is too old now to try and create a legacy and leave a name for himself. Triple H did that when the ball was in his court. So my pick goes straight to Triple H. Next day air.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Bully Ray is a badass. Bully Ray is hardcore and can dish out some legit punishment in any match. Bully Ray has evolved himself and become a fantastic singles wrestler in the last year. And Bully Ray....is losing this match to Triple H.

I'm a huge Bully/Bubba Ray fan, but only recently. Without any hardcore stipulations, without outside interference and without D-Von this match is as good as over. I think the build-up and feud going into it would be awesome, especially these days, but there's just no way Bully can beat Triple H. Not now, not in his prime, not with the Kliq, not ever.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I'm voting for the Bully because I think this match would fall directly into Triple H's biggest weakness - overconfidence. It has been a regular occurrence for Hunter to underestimate his opponent, especially in a first outing such as this. If there is one guy who would be likely to exploit such a possible advantage, it is the newly revitalized Bully Ray.

Throw in this being in the WCW Region, where Trips is highly unlikely to be given any favors after declaring war on them with dX and the uncertainty that always arises in a heel / heel encounter and I think that the New Yorker is a very plausible for the upset win over the Cerebral Assassin.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's laughable to think that Bubba Ray, AKA Bully Ray of today, will win this match. I'm sorry but it really and truly is.

Triple H is one of the most dominant players of his generation with the accolades, ability & feuds to back up the claim. Whether you like Triple H or you don't, these are facts that can't be refuted by anyone who hopes to retain a shred of credibility.

If this was a tag team match & Ray had Devon on his side, then Trips would be in a lot of trouble. It's not, however, and, quite frankly, Ray hasn't done shit his entire career as a singles wrestler. Take Ray out of tag team wrestling and, honestly, he has nothing and is nothing.

He's doing great work in TNA on the mic as Bully Ray, but don't be a sap and let that somehow be some sort of magic bullet that allows him to get by someone like Triple H.

 

[Pyro180]

Well, I believe Bubba is cool and all, But no matter what, after all this time as a tag-team guy and barely a mid-card (give or take) kind of guy, i really dont think he could handle H, so I have to say that the winner has to be Triple H all the way.

 

[Pyro180]

Im going with Triple H because Bubba (or Bully as it may be now) has always been mid-card and mostly tag team. Some could chalk that up to bad luck. Either way. I believe that at their very bests, in a believable match, Triple H would come out on top in about 10 mins or so give or take.

My bad, my computer messed up so i didnt notice that the other Reply went through so i thaught i had to do it again.

 

[shattered dreams]

It is telling how few of the "arguments" for HHH are remotely kayfabe. Reeks of those that have the WWE mind chips firmly implanted since they consider it obvious but can't provide reasons. I just hope you consistently apply your "criteria" and Flair wins the tournament. You better not suddenly remember how to think for yourself instead of just regurgitating Vince/HHH's ball hairs.

 

[Mr_Excitement007]

Triple H as simple as one two three if the cerebral assassin can hold his own in every major type of match wwe has to offer he can take this match easy.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

shattered's loyalty is admirable, however his pick is Bully Ray.


Bully/Brother/Bubba Ray doesn't go over anybody anywhere in this tourney. Let alone Hunter Hearst Hemlsley. Do I need to dig up that match from 02 where Bully was going solo, baby face and put in a match against Hunter for the belt?


02 and Hunter mean what shattered? That's right no flippin' way. Hunter here, there, everywhere.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Until recently Bubba has been a nobody of a singles wrestler, he has been a tag-team specialist and thats it. Yeah, I love his work as Bully Ray but a few months as a good singles wrestler doesnt compare to the 15 years of dominance enjoyed by Triple H, one of the best of all time.

Look at HHH. He has done it all, won it all and beaten them all. Hunter should go far in this tournament and he would finish off Bubba in just a few short minutes with a Pedigree. There aint a chance in hell any Dudley would kick out of that!

Winner: Triple H