Brock's rise to the top was extremely quick and in a span of 2 years he won 3 world titles, a Royal Rumble, King of the King and beat all the top guys on the roster. Had he not left back in 2004 do you reckon he would have won as many world titles as guys like Cena and Orton and do you think he would have been the face of the company for the remainder of the Ruthless Aggression era?
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If Brock Lesnar did not leave in 2004...
- Thread starter Sundar
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I miss that brock. I miss the kurt and brock the most. I think wwe might be very different. Brock could be top heel, we would of seen different story lines, see to many of the Cena vs Brock. I would guess they would have matches were there promos be, seeing who really is the best from that era. It probably be them instead of randy for the unified belts, might of been brock being the face of the Authority. Maybe we would of seen brock and rock. He have his taker match years ago. He hold the top two belts in the double digits. We would of seen probably some horrible matches where they tried making stars like Great Kahil look good. There be times where he be used to make new stars look good, and help up coming rookies, bryan, punk, ziggler.
he definitely outsmart cena on that stage. He and cena are in smackdown where he is a 3 time champion cena doesnt won any championship. He challenged brock and loss the match.
After his depature wwe find another so they choose cena make him a face character by joining kurt team and win the match by fu the big show. This the starting point of cena rising.
If brock is their then he is the first guy not cena. May be cena never be a wwe champion only whc champion.
After his depature wwe find another so they choose cena make him a face character by joining kurt team and win the match by fu the big show. This the starting point of cena rising.
If brock is their then he is the first guy not cena. May be cena never be a wwe champion only whc champion.
The Perfect Max
I Am Jericho
Brock Lesnar would have benefited the WWE in so many ways. Regardless of his presence, I do believe John Cena and Randy Orton would be close to where they are. To me, they never saw Brock as "the guy", even though he was immensely popular, so they still would've pushed other guys.
Why is this a benefit? Another main event star unlike any other. For a big guy, Brock is incredibly gifted in the ring and does a lot of stuff you just couldn't fathom a big guy like him would do. He, along with John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Triple H and Edge could have been the leading stars of the mid to late 2000's. I think it would allow for fresher story lines and varying matches. He'd probably be around an eight time world champion. To be honest, I think they would have left SmackDown to him and Edge. I could see Brock as a World Heavyweight Champion. I also think he would have had his match with the Undertaker at WrestleMania. When I don't know, perhaps in place of Mark Henry?
Another interesting scenario could have involved Paul Heyman and ECW. I wonder what could've happened there. ECW World Champion? Another great feud with Kurt Angle? The Big Show? Bobby Lashley? Regardless, I think the scope of the company would be slightly different, for the better as well.
Why is this a benefit? Another main event star unlike any other. For a big guy, Brock is incredibly gifted in the ring and does a lot of stuff you just couldn't fathom a big guy like him would do. He, along with John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Triple H and Edge could have been the leading stars of the mid to late 2000's. I think it would allow for fresher story lines and varying matches. He'd probably be around an eight time world champion. To be honest, I think they would have left SmackDown to him and Edge. I could see Brock as a World Heavyweight Champion. I also think he would have had his match with the Undertaker at WrestleMania. When I don't know, perhaps in place of Mark Henry?
Another interesting scenario could have involved Paul Heyman and ECW. I wonder what could've happened there. ECW World Champion? Another great feud with Kurt Angle? The Big Show? Bobby Lashley? Regardless, I think the scope of the company would be slightly different, for the better as well.
Do I think Brock would've held the titles multiple times probably, but its a big pot of what ifs, like would small guys like Punk and Bryan be relevant now? Would Cena ever have been a top star because at the time Stephanie wasn't big on him, would Kurt have hurt himself, would Batista had left WWE, would Undertakers streak have continued, would HBK have retired? Too many questions not enough answers.
wrestler36
Championship Contender
If brock is their then he is the first guy not cena. May be cena never be a wwe champion only whc champion.
I agree with this statement. Brock signed a HUGE contract and they put the WWE machine behind him like crazy. He was the face of the WWE and he would be a main event player, even until now. Cena would have worked his way up and would still earn his championships, but he wouldn't be the face of the WWE, at least not until later in the 2000s. Lesnar was their investment and he was excellent until he got burned out from the injuries and the travel. Regardless, had he stuck around, he'd be having the main event run that Cena's been having for the past 10 years. He was 'The Guy'
Brock would have won a lot of world titles, and would have kept me watching for years. He looks like a legitimate tough guy, and that is something WWE lacks a lot of. John Cena would have taken a back seat, who knows what gimmick may have been handed to him. Orton would have still risen because of Evolution and him being a 3rd generation superstar.
The way I figure it, Brock as well as Kurt Angle make anyone look good in the ring. This is a good quality to have, only thing brock needs is a manager or someone who could talk for him. Although when he busted open Cena and was doing that promo on RAW... he didn't seem scripted and it felt Real... perhaps this could work.
The way I figure it, Brock as well as Kurt Angle make anyone look good in the ring. This is a good quality to have, only thing brock needs is a manager or someone who could talk for him. Although when he busted open Cena and was doing that promo on RAW... he didn't seem scripted and it felt Real... perhaps this could work.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Here's the problem... Brock already had an attitude of "get in get paid get out". He says as much in his book, he didn't want to be a pro-wrestler as such, he just wanted to make money in a short space of time. He also had a problem, rightly or wrongly with the schedule he was being asked to handle. Others did and continue to do so without complaint but had this not reared it's head when it did, it would have soon after without question.
Factor into the mix that as soon as Brock's big push was in motion, he was also seeing guys like Nash and Goldberg parachuting in on even better deals than he was on, bitching and moaning and politicking. So that too would have become an issue for him. He'd also seen Austin walk out while the "star of the show" and that it could be done... he'd seen Rock go to his initial Hollywood schedule of only being onscreen every 3-4 months, so he knew he didn't HAVE to be on TV all the time.
Vince had worked out a deal with Brock, even offered the use of his jet for a spell till Brock decided to get his own. Vince wanted Brock to be his "face of the company" that badly he was willing to concede a tonne of ground, but not control.
But Brock didn't want that... he wanted it all on his terms and he saw UFC as his meal ticket, he went through the NFL tryouts almost as a ruse but that Vince gave him the no compete and initially Brock signed it kinda shows the mentalities involved... Vince is saying "I want you here with us...if you're playing football, that's fine but you're not wrestling or fighting...I'm not letting you go for that..."
Brock wanted to do just that of course, that it kinda fizzled out in court was perhaps more to do with Vince realising he didn't NEED Brock rather than him not wanting his no compete clauses tested in court, as there would have been more than enough evidence that Brock had said he wanted to play football, not fight UFC to at best make Brock seem duplicitous. Vince had some luck... JBL worked out far better than possible - Eddie had gotten more over than expected and Cena, Orton and Batista had all gotten to the required level quicker than he dared dream of... He still had Shawn, still had Kurt, Taker and Kane - even Show... sure losing Brock was a loss - but not a fatal one, especially once the story of how he'd "faked out" with the NFL stuff in favor of UFC got out... Brock would (and did for a while) appear the dick in the situation, especially when he lost that first fight... but by the time he beat Couture people had forgotten that and so had Vince as he had shiny new stars like Cena.
So for the sake of argument, Brock isn't leaving at WMXX... He beats Goldberg quickly as he definitely is leaving and under a cloud. The ending of the show goes as it did with Benoit and Eddie in the ring when Brock stomps to the ring and stares down both men...
It sets up a period of time where Brock stalks both guys, of course people think he's going after Eddie because he lost the title to him but it's actually Benoit who he ends up facing at Summerslam.
The problems start when Vince want's Brock to lose due to Eddie's interference/saving Benoit, setting Brock up for a shot at Eddie's WWF title.
JBL doesn't happen in this scenario in the way he did, he goes heel and feuds with Eddie in the interim, but doesn't win the title when Brock invades the match in retaliation.
JBL ends up with the US title instead, Cena perhaps faces him rather than Big Show - either way he doesn't get the same rub that can see him win the World title a year later.
Randy Orton doesn't become what he does, nor Batista as their window is ruined - Brock would get that title back and he wouldn't want to lose to either of those guys or would walk before he did - thus devaluing them... Cena, forget about it.
Eddie and Benoit, they'd get their feud apiece out of it before Brock's politicking would see them downgraded. they might still play a big part in the shows, but the damage is done - I doubt Eddie survives any longer than he did as the damage was long done to him, indeed I could see a match with a pissed off Brock hastening the heart attack if anything. Benoit becomes bitter that his chance was taken away, perhaps even starts a shoot with Brock... Actually, I see Benoit coming out on top but that being the "cardinal sin" and it ruining his career and sending him to a dark place...
Angle and Shawn are almost the forgotten guys, Brock would avoid facing them where possible - Shawn cos of the HHH connection and that his new power with Vince would rival his own and Angle would go pretty much as he did or be the casualty instead of Eddie... Guys like Lashley, Rey, Umaga and even Edge struggle to get into a Mania main event till much later if at all and Punk probably never sets foot in the WWE.
Taker would be Brock's golem... he'd refuse to work him as long as possibe for that fear of "being fed to Taker", Taker would not be amused, tenstion would rise and one of them would eventually have to go... that's where Brock would come a cropper... Vince would not sell out Taker for him and come Mania 22 we're in a similar position, only Brock no-shows/pulls a Shawn injury rather than lose to Taker at Mania.
Either way - no real good comes from Brock staying in the WWE post WM20... Even now his value is questionable, on a cost to draw basis... At the time he left, I am sure it was a massive blow to Vince but looking back I think he'll know he dodged a very big bullet... If Warrior was a headache, Brock on the roster through the mid-late noughties would have been a migraine from hell... He'd never have gotten his "golden boy" in Cena, his PG era... Brock pounding people to a bloody pulp would not be PG and after a time, who would have stopped him?
Factor into the mix that as soon as Brock's big push was in motion, he was also seeing guys like Nash and Goldberg parachuting in on even better deals than he was on, bitching and moaning and politicking. So that too would have become an issue for him. He'd also seen Austin walk out while the "star of the show" and that it could be done... he'd seen Rock go to his initial Hollywood schedule of only being onscreen every 3-4 months, so he knew he didn't HAVE to be on TV all the time.
Vince had worked out a deal with Brock, even offered the use of his jet for a spell till Brock decided to get his own. Vince wanted Brock to be his "face of the company" that badly he was willing to concede a tonne of ground, but not control.
But Brock didn't want that... he wanted it all on his terms and he saw UFC as his meal ticket, he went through the NFL tryouts almost as a ruse but that Vince gave him the no compete and initially Brock signed it kinda shows the mentalities involved... Vince is saying "I want you here with us...if you're playing football, that's fine but you're not wrestling or fighting...I'm not letting you go for that..."
Brock wanted to do just that of course, that it kinda fizzled out in court was perhaps more to do with Vince realising he didn't NEED Brock rather than him not wanting his no compete clauses tested in court, as there would have been more than enough evidence that Brock had said he wanted to play football, not fight UFC to at best make Brock seem duplicitous. Vince had some luck... JBL worked out far better than possible - Eddie had gotten more over than expected and Cena, Orton and Batista had all gotten to the required level quicker than he dared dream of... He still had Shawn, still had Kurt, Taker and Kane - even Show... sure losing Brock was a loss - but not a fatal one, especially once the story of how he'd "faked out" with the NFL stuff in favor of UFC got out... Brock would (and did for a while) appear the dick in the situation, especially when he lost that first fight... but by the time he beat Couture people had forgotten that and so had Vince as he had shiny new stars like Cena.
So for the sake of argument, Brock isn't leaving at WMXX... He beats Goldberg quickly as he definitely is leaving and under a cloud. The ending of the show goes as it did with Benoit and Eddie in the ring when Brock stomps to the ring and stares down both men...
It sets up a period of time where Brock stalks both guys, of course people think he's going after Eddie because he lost the title to him but it's actually Benoit who he ends up facing at Summerslam.
The problems start when Vince want's Brock to lose due to Eddie's interference/saving Benoit, setting Brock up for a shot at Eddie's WWF title.
JBL doesn't happen in this scenario in the way he did, he goes heel and feuds with Eddie in the interim, but doesn't win the title when Brock invades the match in retaliation.
JBL ends up with the US title instead, Cena perhaps faces him rather than Big Show - either way he doesn't get the same rub that can see him win the World title a year later.
Randy Orton doesn't become what he does, nor Batista as their window is ruined - Brock would get that title back and he wouldn't want to lose to either of those guys or would walk before he did - thus devaluing them... Cena, forget about it.
Eddie and Benoit, they'd get their feud apiece out of it before Brock's politicking would see them downgraded. they might still play a big part in the shows, but the damage is done - I doubt Eddie survives any longer than he did as the damage was long done to him, indeed I could see a match with a pissed off Brock hastening the heart attack if anything. Benoit becomes bitter that his chance was taken away, perhaps even starts a shoot with Brock... Actually, I see Benoit coming out on top but that being the "cardinal sin" and it ruining his career and sending him to a dark place...
Angle and Shawn are almost the forgotten guys, Brock would avoid facing them where possible - Shawn cos of the HHH connection and that his new power with Vince would rival his own and Angle would go pretty much as he did or be the casualty instead of Eddie... Guys like Lashley, Rey, Umaga and even Edge struggle to get into a Mania main event till much later if at all and Punk probably never sets foot in the WWE.
Taker would be Brock's golem... he'd refuse to work him as long as possibe for that fear of "being fed to Taker", Taker would not be amused, tenstion would rise and one of them would eventually have to go... that's where Brock would come a cropper... Vince would not sell out Taker for him and come Mania 22 we're in a similar position, only Brock no-shows/pulls a Shawn injury rather than lose to Taker at Mania.
Either way - no real good comes from Brock staying in the WWE post WM20... Even now his value is questionable, on a cost to draw basis... At the time he left, I am sure it was a massive blow to Vince but looking back I think he'll know he dodged a very big bullet... If Warrior was a headache, Brock on the roster through the mid-late noughties would have been a migraine from hell... He'd never have gotten his "golden boy" in Cena, his PG era... Brock pounding people to a bloody pulp would not be PG and after a time, who would have stopped him?
Stingersplash89
Occasional Pre-Show
I don't think he was ever going to stick around for the long haul. He's awesome and always has been but he doesn't live for the business like guys like Cena do
Herschel38
New Member
I agree with you.
TheCrabtree
Dark Match Jobber
If Lesnar had the passion for wrestling that Michaels/HHH/Cena/Bryan have, he could've been the biggest star in wrestling history. But he never did. Lesnar is all about getting paid. If it makes cash, he'll do it. And you look at what he has accomplished. WWE, UFC, NCAA, so close with NFL.
No doubt he'd have been "The Guy" had he wanted it.
No doubt he'd have been "The Guy" had he wanted it.
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