IC25's Superheavyweight Camp

IrishCanadian25

Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Folks, with the upcoming Wrestlezone tournament so close to us, I want to take a moment to ask you to pay some respect and appreciation to a class of wrestler often overlooked or dismissed in historical perspectives. These men are the Superheavyweights, or "SHW's" for short. I have been proudly carrying the SHW flag on these boards for over a year now, and this year will be no less the case.

They don't do lots of flips or high spots, and they don't win ladder matches. But they do capture and imagination of fans everywhere with their size, their dominance, and their ability to make smaller wrestlers look like absolute Gods. They are the Goliaths to your David. And in essence, they are the greatest thing to happen to professional wrestling.

This year, and you'll please pardon the expression, throw your weight behind these four men.

Big Van Vader

My idolitry of The Mastadon is no secret on these boards. In fact, I recently found it was the stuff of legend. The Vader Campaign HQ the original. A trip to last year's WZ Final Four following victories over Rob Van Dam (round of 32), Ric Flair (round of 16) and a Monster's Ball win over Steve Austin (round of 8).

The Greatest Superheavyweight in wrestling history was errantly dispatched by Randy Savage - by ONE VOTE.

Vader's list of accomplishments is the stuff of legend. A multiple time WCW World Champion. A winning record against Sting. The ability to do moonsaults and top rope splashes effortlessly. His debut in Japan - a wn over Antonio Inoki in moments. His first IWGP title - following four consecutive wins in a tournament. This man has the size and power to take on ANYBODY, the agility of a cruiserweight, the technique of a Hart, the brutality of the Butcher, and the mentorship of Harley Race.

He's the best wrestler over 400 lbs in history.


vs. Shinya Hashimoto (IWGP Tournament Finals)
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Andre the Giant

The 8th Wonder of the World almost never lost a match. Long before King Kong Bundy or Paul Wight was doing it, Andre was sent into the ring against 3 men at a time, and manhandled them with little effort. Though best known for being on the receiving end of Hulk Hogan's iconic bodyslam at Wrestlemania 3, Andre was well known as the one man Hogan could not beat (save for that one match), and their August 1980 Shea Stadium match was proof. What a classic.

Andre had a reputation for being slow in the ring, mainly because mainstream fans didn't see him until his immense size had taken such a toll on his body that he could barely move. Many fans don't realize that at the end of his career, Andre was often confined to a wheelchair until it was time to wrestle. He'd go out, perform, and return to the wheelchair.

Furthermore, Andre is a man who, despite being a career Superheavyweight, could go for long periods of time. Andre has two 60-minute draws to his credit - vs. Harley Race and Nick Bockwinkel.


vs. Hulk Hogan in Japan
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Yokozuna

While Vader was dominating Sting, Simmons, Smith, etc. in WCW, WWF had Yokozuna mowing down the competition. One of the best competitors EVER to pull off the anti-American gimmick, Yoko's weight ranged from 505 - 800+ lbs during his WWF stint, yet didn't stop him from completing high thrust kicks, spinning heel kicks, and a finisher from the second rope.

Yokozuna was so dominant, that announcers started reminding fans that nobody had yet knocked Yoko off of his feet in a one-on-one match. (Randy Savage accomplished it during the Royal Rumble, and then like an idiot tried to PIN Yokozuna. Yoko bench pressed him so hard that Savage vaulted over the top rope to the floor.) Finally Hacksaw Jim Duggan did it, for which he received 4 Banzai Drops - the last one with the US Flag draped over his almost lifeless body.

Yokozuna won the 1993 Royal Rumble and then defeated Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 9. He dropped the belt to Hogan that same night - his first singles loss. A few months later at King of the Ring, Yokozuna kicked out of Hogan's Leg Drop and finally squashed the Hulkster, putting him out of WWF until the weeks before Wrestlemania 18.

Yokozuna's immense size also led to one of the coolest booking events ever - the Bodyslam Challenge on the intrepid. With Yoko's help, Luger slammed Yoko and actually got over with WWF fans. Yoko also feuded with The Undertaker, defeating him in a Casket Match.


vs Hulk Hogan
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Bam Bam Bigelow

The only man who can rival Vader in SHW agility, Scott "Bam Bam" Bieglow is a former 2-time New Jersey State Wrestling Champion. Bam Bam debuted with WWF in 1987, as managers duked it out for his services. His first breakout, however, was at the innaugural Survivor Series as part of Hulk Hogan's team. After Hogan was eliminated, Bigelow single handedly took out King Kong Bundy AND One Man Gang, before finally falling to Andre the Giant.

After rehabbing a knee injury, Bam Bam and Vader won the IWGP Tag Team Titles as part of the legendary team "Big, Bad, and Dangerous." He returned to WWF in late 1992, and at the 1993 King of the Ring, reached the finals where he lost an epic match to Bret Hart. Despite being a Superheavyweight, you'd never have been able to tell with the way he seemlessly moved around the ring with Bret.

And of course, Bam Bam was a man with so much skill in the ring that the WWF placed him in the co-main event of Wrestlemania 11 with Lawrence Taylor. Imagine the compliment - Taylor, having NEVER wrestled before, is being placed into the Main Event of the biggest show of the year. WWF needs a guy who can work a servicable match with LT and also have the class and business saavy to put him over. That man was Bam Bam Bigelow.

Bigelow is a trye legend in Japan, as well as a former ECW great who held the ECW TV Title as part of The Eliminators, a former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and held a win over Taz. He is a 2-time WCW Tag Team Champion (w/ Kanyon and DDP, "The New Jersey Triad") and has held numerous titles internationally.


vs. Vader in Japan
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There you have it. Folks, join the SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT REVOLUTION in the upcoming Wrestlezone Tournament!!!
 
Personally, I think that maybe a new theme for your camp would be in order this year. The same trick won't always work twice, remember.

However, the superheavyweights are generally a safe bet. At a glance, they are almost always the obvious choice. It's just simple logic that the big fat bastard will take the littler guy apart. That didn't stop Undertaker taking out Yokozuna - largely due to the "turtle effect" - or Savage doing away with Vader though. Did Bigelow not go to a draw with Christian in a cage match?

I am absolutely intrigued to see what happens if one of your boys comes up against the Next Big Thing. Or, indeed, the Phenomenal One.
 
Hang on, in all fairness, I made the difinitive, comprehensive post last year concerning the Yokozuna vs Undertaker match. That match occured in a gimmick round, and there were 16 possible gimmicks.

I ran through each one, explaining how Yoko would dominate Undertaker in all but 4. So Yoko had a 75% chance of winning. And what stipulation came up?

Ladder Match.

I cannot expect a 565 lb SHW to defeat The Undertaker in a ladder match. That wasn't Yoko's shortcoming - it was a roll of the dice.
 
I actually seem to remember the gimmick coming out as a Last Man Standing match. Argument was - presented by you, I believe - that The Undertaker made a career of sitting up when his opponent needed him to lie down. Jake also proposed that Zuna was so rotund that, once down, he wouldn't be able to get back up.
 
I've always felt that Bigelow is a better big man than Vader. While the Big Van Man may have a more prominent place in wrestling history, I always enjoyed Bigelows matches that bit more, and still feel that he's just that little bit more agile. Maybe the two will meet.

Until then, I leave you this video.

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You really think Undertaker 16-0 at WrestleMania 6 time world champ is gonna lose to any of these Superheavyweight.
 
The appeal is that in his prime, there were maybe three wrestlers who could actually knock the Yoko down. How can you beat a man that you can't knock down? Yoko's a lock until the gimmick rounds.

Vader's got a big fat bullseye on his back this year. Anyone who resented Vader going over some of their favs last year will be looking for any reason to vote against him.

Bam Bam would be a much easier wrestler to push. He's got all the size and strength of Vader, plus a balanced background in both traditional AND hardcore wrestling. His death will also probably win some sentimental votes. Bam Bam may also very well coast through the majority of this tournament.
 
Irish, I'm more prone to backing Big Van Vader now then I was a year ago. And Yokozuna has always been a personal favorite of mine.. but you're definately gonna have to explain to me in more detail and depth on why you feel I should spare my time on Andre the Giant or Bam Bam Bigelow.

Andre, to me, has always been a colassal waste of my time. His highest profile moments through W.W.F. seemingly came off nothing more than being bodyslammed by Hulk Hogan, and a very long undefeated streak, that while impressive, just wasn't capitalized on enough before it was brought into the light then taken from him.

Meanwhile, Bam Bam is and will be a favorite of mine, yet not enough to think he can do anything huge. So I'll need your detailed understanding on why Bigelow deserves anything more from me than possibly eliminated early.
 
Bam Bam is the only one of the four that is worth my time, I fail to see what anyone the other three have to offer, Vader will likely go fairly far, Yoko was always nothing more than a fat piece of shit to me, and Andre never seemed to be anything special outside of just being really big
 
Yoko was always nothing more than a fat piece of shit to me

I disagree with this. Yokozuna was at one time near 800 lbs., and yet he moved quicker and had more agility than a lot of guys under 250lbs. Just because he was fat, only disguised how great he could be.

His opponent's would've never expected him to come at them with the speed he did. Furthermore, and the MOST IMPORTANT FACT OF ALL..

Yokozuna was the last true great individual to defeat Hulk Hogan, during his Hulkamania stage. (ie. Yokozuna was and should be credited with the destruction and death, of Hulkamania.)

Before anyone disagrees with this.. look at the facts. When he went to W.C.W., he wasn't the same. He was becoming a puppet. When he returned to the W.W.F/E. after W.C.W. went under.. it was merely for money, nothing else.

His greatest moments were in the W.W.F., initially. And that reign ended, at the hands of Yokozuna, destroying him, at the 1993 King of the Ring.

and Andre never seemed to be anything special outside of just being really big

Agreed.
 
I'll definitely show my support for Bam Bam Bigelow and Vader, as they are two huge men that were nonetheless extremely agile. I'm kind of indifferent towards Yokozuna. The only match of his that I loved was his Casket Match with The Undertaker at Royal Rumble 1994. I think the only reason people really still mention Yokozuna is because of his almost year-long title reign. I won't deny that his booking was spectacular, but he wasn't anything special as a wrestler.

Now, as for Andre The Giant, I think that he is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. He may have been the biggest draw before Hogan, but I think this had more to do with his size and look than with his ability to entertain and wrestle. In my opinion, the only reason why this man is still mentioned today is because he happened to star in a film that is beloved by children and women all over the world. So, unfortunately, I can't show my support for Andre The Giant.
 
You really think Undertaker 16-0 at WrestleMania 6 time world champ is gonna lose to any of these Superheavyweight.

The reason Undertaker wouldn't lose to any of these is not his WrestleMania record, nor is it the amount of times he's been a world champion. If we were going on how many times people have been champion we would just hand this tournament to Ric Flair and Triple H and be done with it.

No, The Undertaker will take down superheavyweights because he's made a career out of it, despite arguably being one himself. He'll take them down because he is likely the most versatile wrestler in sports entertainment history, making his list of weaknesses minimal.
 
It's a shame Kamala doesn't get any love in this thread. There aren't many people in the business who played their respective character(s) as well as Kamala played his. Also, his selling was fantastic.

One Man Gang is another Superheavyweight who gets over looked all too often as well.
 
You really think Undertaker 16-0 at WrestleMania 6 time world champ is gonna lose to any of these Superheavyweight.

Well, if I am backing the SHW's, and YOU are backing Undertaker, I don't see how I can lose.

If fact, if you are planning on posting to support The Undertaker, he may not make it out of the first round.
 
I'm not sold on Andre or Yokozuna. Well, I think I can see the appeal of Andre, so depending on who he's up against I'll throw him a vote. I don't think I'll be voting for Yokozuna thoigh at all. I've never liked him, and I honestly don't think he's all that great. You sold me on Vader last time though, and he had a great match with HBK, which will help me prove Shawn can handle it with the SHWs, so he's good in my book.
 
HBK-aholic, if you want to prove that Shawn can hang with SHW's, look no further than Shawn's match with Yokozuna on Monday Night Raw shortly after the Summerslam match with Vader. At that time, Yoko was around 700 lbs, and slower than he'd been in his prime. But Shawn was somehow able to neutralize Yoko's size, and went over him.

I don't think Shawn would have beaten the 505-565 lb monster WWF Champion of 1994, but yes, Shawn has proven he has what it takes to hang with the big men.

Same with Undertaker. Sam said it best - Taker has made a career out of defeating men twice his size. Kamala, Giant Gonzales, King Kong Bundy, Mark Henry, etc. Taker is no cruiserwehight, but he works well with big men.

Of course, you can't compare Vader, Bigelow, Andre, or Yoko to Kamala, Gonzales, Bundy, or Henry. The four men in this camp are not only huge, but they are agile and talented. They have killer instinct and a lineage of championship gold.

Vader was the first wrestler in history to hold world titles on three separate continents. If Antarctica had a wrestling federation, he'd have won there, too.

Andre and Bigelow were dual-legends; USA and Japan. Andre also had several successful matches in Mexico. That accounts for three of the four biggest and most important wrestling countries in the world (missing only Canada, where I doubt an SHW has ever gotten over).
 
Big Van Vader has been announced as the 4th seed in ECW. That's a sick prospect. Vader in an all-hardcore atmosphere? He's a show in to win it. Hell, he won the TNA region last year, despite having never worked a TNA match.
 
:lmao:

to all the people saying Andre did nothing. Andre the Giant was having high profile moments before there was a such thing as high profile moments. He was incredible in his day, by far the best over 7 foot wrestler ever.

Also, can any of you grasp how insanely good you have to be at selling, to be 7 foot 5, over 600 pounds, and make it look like a little guy is beating you up?? Andre's selling and match phsycology were some of the best ever seen in the ring, especially among biggies, and its a sad situation how underrated he is by the group here.
 
I agree NorCal. Andre is one of the biggest draws in the history of the business, both in and outside of the USA. His storytelling & psychology was top-notch and could portray both a loveable face and nasty heel better than most wrestlers could dream of. Andre deserves to go far in this tournament.

A great match which comes to mind is with Hansen in Japan. A great brawl which shows how well Andre could move in the ring and great psychology. The crowd are hot throughout the entire match with no dull moment to be found.

 
Big Van Vader has been announced as the 4th seed in ECW. That's a sick prospect. Vader in an all-hardcore atmosphere? He's a show in to win it. Hell, he won the TNA region last year, despite having never worked a TNA match.

I was definitely going to support Vader through the first few rounds, but after seeing his draw, he'll get votes from me throughout the tournament. Besides Austin, Vader got the luckiest draw. Not only is he in ECW, but he doesn't have to face Foley until much much later.
 
Yokozuna was the last of the Superheavyweights announced, at #39.

Think about that. All four members of my camp were given seeds of 39 out of 256 or better.

It's a great year for the SHW's.
 

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