I just Don't Get It !!!

[The Roid Rage]

What don't I get? Jack Swagger, that's what I don't get. I see so much fandom and support for this guy on the boards but it just doesn't make sense to me. I just don't get why everyone or so many people seem to like this guy so much. Doesn't anyone agree with me on that? Doesn't it seem too soon for such accolades and roaring applause? I thought this guy still had something to prove, but listening to a lot of people on here it's like he is the next WWE or World Heavyweight Champion in training or something.

Needless to say, I am unimpressed with Jack Swagger, and I don't get what all the hype is about. Is he a decent wrestler? Yeah I guess so, decent is fair enough to say. But, outside of that, what constitutes this support? He is not especially good at anything thus far, and hasn't done anything great either. Okay so he won the ECW title, big deal, so did Mark Henry and I don't see anybody frothing at the mouth to see his skyrocket push.

I get it that now days it is cool to like the heels, and not the faces, but really??? What has this guy done to get so much admiration from the IWC that is oh so critical of most everyone else? He just seemingly get's a pass for no reason. I myself don't really like Jack Swagger. I don't like his look, his stick work, or much of his ring work. And that lisp...c'mon, get real. Is that what draws everyone, the lisp? Or is it the way he beats his chest and flops his head around like a gorilla when making his way to the ring? What is it? I don't see it.

I don't want to hear "Oh he's got so much potential" either, because anyone of the roster who is in the good graces of Vince McMahon, or Creative has potential, that's just a cop-out. I want some real deal, up front, well thought out, sensible answers. If anyone can convince me, and trust me that is hard to do, than I will commend that person. But otherwise, I think accolades should come with accomplishment, and he hasn't really done that much yet.

I think he needs great improvement of the mic for one. Did anyone see his match on Raw? Afterward he grabs the mic and doesn't even know what to say which was horribly obvious, so what does he say "The 2 time, 2 time All American" which you could tell was all he could think to say and meant to keep going but couldn't so he stopped to think, and then repeats "The All American American, Jack Swagger". Ok, so what the hell was that supposed to mean? Were you supposed to cut a promo for yourself, oh wait here comes MVP to save your sorry ass, and then from there MVP runs the show and Swagger says nothing, which was probably better for both of them, he gets punked out, and leaves. That's not the first time he's seemed awkward and dumb founded on the mic, ECW has been relieved. Also, he isn't exactly great at selling for his opponent either, he is only so lucky that Evan Bourne was his opponent and worked so well for him. I have still yet to see some awe inspiring performance to tell me he is anything special, or any cut above anyone else. So what is it people? Give me something concrete, something substantial.

 

[X]

I don't think anyone on here is calling for him to be the next World champion. We just see alot of potential in him (yeah, call it a cop-out, I don't really care), and he entertains us. Do we really need more of a reason than that? He's got an amazing look, is good on the mic, is good in the ring, what exactly isn't there to like about the guy? Should we not get excited about fresh young talent being pushed or something?

The guy is good, and could become great. Time will tell.

 

[tLight]

He's a lot better than the last and current ECW Champ.

He's got a good solid build to him, he's got an amature background, he's got a good look, he's good on the mic (other than the lisp), and he's talented in the ring.

He's everything Vince loves, and thats why he's being pushed, and why people like him.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

The reason that many don't like Jack Swagger is well...he's a HEEL! The man's doing his job. There's no logical reason NOT to like Swagger. He has more upside than anyone on the WWE roster. Period. Even more than Morrison. Even more than Punk. Even more than Ziggler. If Swagger gets into the right program, he can become a mega star. He's Brock Lesnar with a personality. He's athletic, young, charismatic, and even with a lisp, talks better on the mic than most of the WWE roster. He's a classic pro wrestler, and many people don't like something that's not doing a stupid move to the crowd's reaction or who doesn't have snazzy merchandise.

Jack Swagger is someone that can be molded into a mega star. And Swagger hasn't been in the WWE but little over a year if that. I wish I was that good at something when only being on a certain stage for a YEAR! It's cool to not like someone, but to knock other people for thinking he's good doesn't cut it here. Have an opinion, but don't be an ass and shove your opinions down our throat and think it's gospel.

ON YO' KNEES!

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

Sigh. Game Rage. Why can't you just enjoy someone? I mean granted, we all get behind him like he's the next brig thing, but why can't we? Are we not allowed to support someone we like? Sure, if you had harped on the love for Ted DiBiase I might have supported you, but Swagger is better. He doesn't have name value, he just came to ECW with a mediocre gimmick and had good enough matches to get some attention. Nothing wrong with that is there?

Oh yeah, and his entrance music sounds like Rage Against The Machine. See the difference as smile can make?

 

[The Roid Rage]

It's cool to not like someone, but to knock other people for thinking he's good doesn't cut it here. Have an opinion, but don't be an ass and shove your opinions down our throat and think it's gospel.

ON YO' KNEES!

Wow, you sure got me. Next time I give a shit I'll take your advice. Take a closer read next time, I wanted to know with good reason what makes Jack Swagger sooooo great that everyone on here seems to be clamoring to see his next move.

I never knocked anyone for liking him I asked for a decent explanation and I still haven't heard that. I hear reasons without back up, explain your thoughts, explain your reason. What I am trying to do is get some decent responses from people, and make people think about their choice of supporting him.

Also, I never shoved anything down anyone's throats. You read it, you responded, and thought you'd be rude to me for what you perceive as shoving my opinion down peoples throats. And by the way, I never said it was the gospel either, you did. Be careful who you choose to get into verbal entanglements with, particularly me, I am not as stupid as some of the so called pundits you probably toy with, and I will turn every word against you. I take a knee for no one.

So far I have heard a few people say, he is good on the mic, good in the ring, like Brock Lesnar with a personality, better than the past and current ECW champion, and so on. But how so, how do you back your claims? Give me something to work with besides "Because I think so" or "I just like him" I want original thought and research. Tell me what makes this guy so good, with so little credentials, and do it without trying to insult me for asking.

Sigh. Game Rage. Why can't you just enjoy someone? I mean granted, we all get behind him like he's the next brig thing, but why can't we? Are we not allowed to support someone we like? Sure, if you had harped on the love for Ted DiBiase I might have supported you, but Swagger is better. He doesn't have name value, he just came to ECW with a mediocre gimmick and had good enough matches to get some attention. Nothing wrong with that is there?

Oh yeah, and his entrance music sounds like Rage Against The Machine. See the difference as smile can make?

This is the best response I have read yet. It has humor, explanation, and it's respectful. I like the questions as well, and I'll answer them.

Why can't you just enjoy someone?

Well, I never said you couldn't. But there must be something about an individual that entertains you right? Well, as the title of the thread reads "I just don't get it" there is a lot of Swagger Support and I don't know why, it doesn't make sense to me. People get behind him, but bash all the top guys who by the way are the best in the business, and this kid has barely got his feet wet and they adore him. It's kind of odd to me.

I mean granted, we all get behind him like he's the next brig thing, but why can't we?

I never said you couldn't here either, but I wanted to know what substantiates it. I like who I like for reasons, legit ones, not just because they are there.

Are we not allowed to support someone we like?

Of course you are, but I am asking as I said WHY? What's the big deal. You don't just like someone for no reason, there has to be something about them that drawn you to them. So I am asking what is so special about Jack Swagger?

Then I finally get a decent response.

He doesn't have name value, he just came to ECW with a mediocre gimmick and had good enough matches to get some attention. Nothing wrong with that is there? Oh yeah, and his entrance music sounds like Rage Against The Machine. See the difference as smile can make?

Short, simple, to the point on the individual basis. That's the best I've got so far. That comes down to simplicity. No big name, nothing really special, just some God given ability than got attention. Oh yeah, and the catchy music. Got it. There's one, who's next?

 

[LCShazardous]

i personally don't like how swagger is being booked on RAW. on ECW he was IMO what a heel should be. he was arrogant, obnoxious, self absorbed. and just an all out jerk. but he would win his match cleanly (well not squeaky clean but cleaner than orton or chris jericho) and every time I'd hear the bell and his music played i would get this sensation of anger. he was the one thing i know allot of people hate with a passion. he reminded me of that one kid u knew in high school. he was a jerk, and he made u feel like crap. but he was just so damn perfect. it was just not fair! he looked cool, acted cool, was bigger, stronger, faster. and just all around better than you. and he made sure u knew it

the problem with what there doing with him on RAW is that he's just another cowardly punk, he doesn't back it up anymore, he just talks trash, and u hate him for it but not the same way, like u can live with it, when he was on ECW u knew there were some fans that wanted to kill him, not all but some

when he 1st came to raw i thought "yes time for the next big heel to be great" but now i don't want him to succeed not the way his character is being played out. i mean he's just not drawing deep heat for me. now i could'nt care less i just don't care for him. on ECW i'd tune in every weeks in hopes of seeing him get that smug smirk whipped off his face and getting a foot in the ass. but on raw. i don't care about him, his promo's suck, and the lisp just makes it hard to take him seriously unless his mouth is shut and he's slamming you into the canvas

thats how i c it at least

 

[SavageTaker]

Why do I like Jack Swagger? I like him because he is able to entertain me. I watch wrestling to be entertained by the wrestlers and Jack Swagger is able to do this. It might not be the best reasoning and it might be one that you agree with, but the fact of the matter is that he will still continue entertaining me. I find him to be solid in the ring and I think his mic skills are improving. He isn’t the best on the mic but he is improving which is a good thing. Like I said, I just am entertained by his matches and there really is no way for me to change your mind on that because you’ve seen them and apparently you’re not entertained. But that’s my reasoning on why I like him. It might not be the best possible reason but it’s a reason nonetheless.

 

[The Roid Rage]

Why do I like Jack Swagger? I like him because he is able to entertain me. I watch wrestling to be entertained by the wrestlers and Jack Swagger is able to do this. It might not be the best reasoning and it might be one that you agree with, but the fact of the matter is that he will still continue entertaining me. I find him to be solid in the ring and I think his mic skills are improving. He isn’t the best on the mic but he is improving which is a good thing. Like I said, I just am entertained by his matches and there really is no way for me to change your mind on that because you’ve seen them and apparently you’re not entertained. But that’s my reasoning on why I like him. It might not be the best possible reason but it’s a reason nonetheless.

Well at least you are honest, and you explained your opinion to the best of your ability, and above all else you didn't have something hateful to say to me because of my evaluation of said wrestler. I happen think he is over rated thus far and that might change in the future, you happen to like him and feel he is improving which he is definitely trying, to say the least. Thank you for that appropriate response.

 

[TLC]

He's a lot better than the last and current ECW Champ.

um no he's not better than christian, christians in ring abiltity is great just like swagger but christian is 10 times better on the mich than swagger so how is he better than christian.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I like Swagger because I find the guy to be entertaining. Personally, I don't particularly care if he becomes a world champion or not. I'm not saying that the guy is necessarily going to be the next big thing, but I think he could possibly be someday. I know, I know the whole thing about potential being a cop out, but I don't agree. The guy's been on WWE television for less than a year and a lot of people are excited by what the guy could be.

I'm not overly fond of how he's being booked at the moment, but I also don't think he should be pushed too quickly. I like the idea that he's being booked as a young, up and coming guy that's working his way up the ladder. The WWE isn't trying to shove Swagger down anyone's throat and that's a very good thing for me. When I see Swagger, I see a young guy that has some legitimate skill, has a great natural look, does well with what the WWE gives and looks to have a bright future. It's going to take time to determine whether he's going to be great or just merely good.

 

[Tenebrous]

While I don't have a bromance with Swagger, I'll back up why I like him. First as former athlete, I appreciate his amateur background which makes him more "credible" in the ring. He's not some bodybuilding hocked up on HGH, Jake Hager (his real name) is a real, accomplished athlete and I think that point is a selling point in the eyes of fans.

Secondly, much like Kurt Angle( in WWE/TNA both), he is a guy who is a legitimate badass and could hurt someone seriously in real life and yet he plays a coward on TV. That's why I like Swagger--he plays his role well. He was the guy in high school that wore his lettersman jacket even when it was hot outside to let everyone know he was an athlete. He runs his mouth and backs very little up. You remember that guy in high school/college? He is now on a WWE TV screen. People draw to him because he was "that guy." He is a believable character and that's why I think people like him.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I became a Jack Swagger fan since his debut. I saw his in-ring abilities and it really impressed me. I am a fan of WWE superstars who have amateur wrestling backgrounds. Hence why I am a fan of the in-ring abilities of Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, as well as Jack Swagger. I saw his first WWE fued with Tommy Dreamer, and I really became impressed with him. I became anxious to see how far Swagger would make it in the WWE.

Four months after his debut, he defeats Matt Hardy on his first try to win the ECW Championship. I was happy, of course, but I was also a fan of Hardy, and thought he was doing pretty good as the champ. I also thought to myself that Swagger might not have been ready to carry the brand, even if it was ECW. Seeing Jack Swagger as the ECW Champion impressed me more and more every week. That's the main reason why I was very disappointed that Swagger wasn't given a chance to defend the title at Wrestlemania 25.

He carries the ECW brand for over three months and has one of the best fueds the new ECW has ever had with Christian, whom I am also a big fan of.

I hope to see Jack Swagger find success on Raw, like he did on ECW. I'm not saying that he should hold the World Title or anything. I just hope to see him on Raw on a regular basis. A few wins here and there. Interesting storylines. The United States Championship sometime in the near future. I see great things in Jack Swagger's future.

 

[Captain Bean]

Swagger is young, so he has years ahead of him. He has a great amateur background, is great at matt wrestling, is reasonably charasmatic, and has a good athletic physique. someone like evan bourne is incredible with his in ring style, but his size will limit him to a career similar to rey mysterio. with swagger, he can compete with all the big boys legit.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

I didn't like Swagger at all until his match with Cena.I don't really like him,but I see how people think he could be a big star.I can picture him as a main eventer.Remember this folks,he's still in his rookie year.He debuted in September of 08,so give him some time before you bash or throne him.

 

[RVDgurl]

Personally, I love Jack Swagger. I can't remember the last time I got behind someone that was a homegrown product of the WWE. That in itself is refreshing for me. I think Swagger has a great look- just his physical appearance says "dorky but still cocky". I think that's what his gimmick is reaching for. He has very solid mic skills. He generates heat during his promos, which tells me that he's doing a good job. I would start to worry if he wasn't getting a reaction. His lisp isn't- and shouldn't be- a big deal at all. Dusty Rhodes is considered by many to be one of the best talkers of his time and his lisp was far more promounced than Swagger's. If anything, the lisp adds to his gimmick. Swagger's in ring style is great. He effectively incorporates mat wrestling and amateur skills with power moves. He's got great theme music that gets me excited to see Swagger wrestle. And above all else, he's fun.

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

I think we can cut the guy some slack on the mic. Everyone messes up every now and then, and he's still real young. Still though, I don't know what I think about him. He's not terrible but there are tons of things about him I don't like.

First of all when I see him he looks like a giant ******ed guy or some hillbilly. When I see him I picture him in overalls and a straw hat. He just screams "dumb jock" which I guess it part of his gimmick, but he just looks stupid to me. Basically when I see him, I think of him what WWE wanted you to think about Festus before the ball rang.

Second is his enormous lisp. Sure it's great that he can perform but it just doesn't sound right. It's pretty annoying hearing him go back and forth on the mic or cut promos.

He could be ok, but he's not going to be a Hogan or Austin type star. I don't even think he'll be a Cena like star. He is another example of a guy that could benefit from having a manager. Or, if he joined with Legacy and they dropped them as basically being jobbers (and the whole multi generation thing) it could do good for him.

 

[Freddy4190]

Swagger's badass. Period. He's good on the mic, he does fuck up sometimes, but nobody's perfect on the mic. His in-ring work is top notch, he's had some damn good matches, and he generates pretty good heat if he needs to. If you're annoyed by him then he's obviously doing his job. Plus he's funny, his little dance/taunt thing he does in his entrance is awesome, he has that cocky-ness about him that puts the cherry on top, his facial expressions, everything. When MVP shoved him on his ass on RAW after Swagger's match, the expression that Swagger had on his face made me lol.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I like Swagger because I like good wrestling, plain and simple. He is a good wrestler and he generates heat on the microphone. What more can you really ask of a heel? While you seem intent on getting answers that are substantial, where is the substance behind your reasoning for not liking him? It's all based on opinion and nobody could be proven wrong.

 

[BeansOnToastUK]

Jack Swagger...

I have to be honest... im not his greatest fan but have to be honest and RESPECT him...

There are a couple of things that annoy me about the man which draws me to such a heavy dislike:

1) His Look - The man just doesn't look right... His build is height but he has so much upper body size that it makes him look like a young hunchback in the making. HOWEVER with that being said its nice to see a wrestler which has a natural build that doesn't look like he's on something.

2) His Lisp - This is the main point with me really... I know the man has a condition and i shouldn't be calling him for it but it drives me mad... The man can hardly speak! If i spoke like he does then i would be embarassed! And the most annoying thing is... They do speak classes for people with Lisps that allow you to speak properly...

Now after me giving these points we never know... Jack might talk properly or with less of a lisp in real life and he is uses this as part of his gimmick... in which case he is working well as a heel because it irritates me...

If this is the case then i would suggest a possible gimmick change... Control the lisp and then you would come across as the next Kurt Angle... a legitimate Athelete that is believable and we all know can wrestle.

Either way i don't find this as such a big thing because at the end of the day it's the wrestling that i will look at with interest... And within a few years i can imagine him having classic matches with some of the biggiest stars in the industry...