I Hate RVD

[Kaedon]

RVDs matches have the same spots in almost the same order, its funny how you rip on Cena for using the same 5 moves but not RVD, just because their high spots. He is fat and out of shape. He is sucking wind 3 min into a match. And to top it all off, he's some loser pot head.

 

[three_d]

the reason why RVD hasn't got the stamina he used to have in ECW and WWE 2001-02 is beacause he doesnt wrestle anymore for the love he does it for the money pure and simple but i do miss the RVD of 1996-2002 not to mention he is a bad pot head.

 

[Kasey]

RVDs matches have the same spots in almost the same order, its funny how you rip on Cena for using the same 5 moves but not RVD, just because their high spots. He is fat and out of shape. He is sucking wind 3 min into a match. And to top it all off, he's some loser pot head.

Cena wrestled the same way in OVW and UPW. Boring, slow, and highly telegraphed with lax ring psychology. Even on the transition to the WWE he remained the same because that was the apex of his talent. RVD has obviously been dumbed down since his earlier encounters pre-WWE. Anyone who can't see that has either A. not watched the old matches or B. needs to have their medication adjusted. He's another product of the newfound WWE style of working that shuns talent and rewards mediocrity so that guys like Batista and Cena aren't exposed for how awful they really are. Everyone knows he's been a pot head for over a decade. State the obvious much? He's had a write-up in High Times. That's why he originally wasn't hired after they allowed him to squash Hardy's ass on Raw in 1997. Most of the talent has no endurance. Even the really athletic ones.

 

[realblackhart]

the reason why RVD hasn't got the stamina he used to have in ECW and WWE 2001-02 is beacause he doesnt wrestle anymore for the love he does it for the money pure and simple but i do miss the RVD of 1996-2002 not to mention he is a bad pot head.

With all due respect to say that is a slap in the face to most of the wrestlers who wrestle because they love it. Don't get me wrong, they have to make a living somehow but to say they wrestle just for money probably isn't very accurate. I can and will admit some of the wrestler do it just for the money but I don't think RVD is one of them. The only reason RVD and other guys aren't as good as they used to be is simply because of the watering down of the moves. As already mentioned here the WWE has many more rules and restrictions on maneuvers allowed in a match. That keeps the talent from showcasing what they can do and makes guys in other organizations look better even if they are not. I know Vince is afraid of his wrestlers "entertainers" getting injured but I think tha they could have a far better product if they could be able to strut their stuff. This is a big reason why the cruiserweight division in the WWE sucks. RVD will not leave because Vince knows how valuable he really is. While Vince may not be using him they way we may want him too, I can see Vince doing what he could to keep RVD under the WWE umbrella. If anything besides the fact that RVD cannot showcase all of his repetuar, it might be frustrating to RVD that he's still being punished for his weed incident and not to mention his refusual to go on the "voluntary" Iraq tour. If RVD wasn't being held down by Vince and WWE creative, and was still ECW World Heavyweight Champion, we wouldn't even notice any of this. Who knows, Heyman would probably still be in ECW now.

 

[Shadowmancer]

This statement just wow's me. He does old school and a dive to the outside to perfection. And he can't wrestle? For his size and he can do those two things its amazing. He is one of the best big man ever. He is all about image? What because of his gimmick your saying he gets over? That is true he does get over because of his gimmick but that's because he blends his skill with his gimmick and has build himself up to get this over. Shadow compare Taker's two spots to how much spots Jeff Hardy hits.

I was just using Undertaker as an example of how the definition of what a spot monkey is that was given is not a good one. It is just the fact that i disagree with the definition and came up with a wrestler that is not seen as
spot monkey for his wrestling, but does do spots occassionaly and whether that would make him a spot monkey based on those moves.

 

[CoolerThanMostHere]

RVD stinks for the same reason everyone under Vince's tyrannical reign stinks. There is no variety allowed. What happened to the old days of various styles? Now all we have is lame ass brawling. Various moves are outlawed, everyone has to conform to a style. The reason ratings are tanking is that the marketable, nice looking stars, are being pushed over the talented. Why should RVD try? He isn't allowed to do what he wants and when he gets the crowd going and puts in an awesome effort, he knows he won't be rewarded. Don't bash RVD. Bash Vince. He has become wrestling cancer.

 

[Kaedon]

Cena wrestled the same way in OVW and UPW. Boring, slow, and highly telegraphed with lax ring psychology. Even on the transition to the WWE he remained the same because that was the apex of his talent. RVD has obviously been dumbed down since his earlier encounters pre-WWE. Anyone who can't see that has either A. not watched the old matches or B. needs to have their medication adjusted. He's another product of the newfound WWE style of working that shuns talent and rewards mediocrity so that guys like Batista and Cena aren't exposed for how awful they really are. Everyone knows he's been a pot head for over a decade. State the obvious much? He's had a write-up in High Times. That's why he originally wasn't hired after they allowed him to squash Hardy's ass on Raw in 1997. Most of the talent has no endurance. Even the really athletic ones.

So youre cover up is.....its ok that he's a slow, getting fat, no endurance having, same spot running piece of shit is because everyone else is too? Astounding how a smarks mind works. As far as stamina goes, I havent seen Cena sucking wind, sweaty, and red faced 5 minutes into a match, even with as many BREAKS as RVD takes in a match.

 

[X]

Are you guys absolutely insane? Rob Van Dam is easily one of the most entertaining and gifted performers in WWE history. No one holds the audience onto the edge of their seat like RVD, nobody. And for the argument that he only has 5 moves, I can think of atleast 20 right now just sitting here so that's kinda out the window isn't it? Not to mention all the old moves he used to do in ECW that didn't carry over to the WWE, remember the Van Terminator?

You can't argue the fact that RVD is a hell of a performer and easily one of the best in the ECW brand along with the king Sabu.

 

[Retribution]

And for the argument that he only has 5 moves, I can think of atleast 20 right now just sitting here so that's kinda out the window isn't it?

Actually it demonstrates the disproportionate free time on your hands.

You can't argue the fact that RVD is a hell of a performer

Why not?

easily one of the best in the ECW brand along with the king Sabu.

That isn't impressive.

 

[Catlmutln187]

Are you guys absolutely insane? Rob Van Dam is easily one of the most entertaining and gifted performers in WWE history. No one holds the audience onto the edge of their seat like RVD, nobody. And for the argument that he only has 5 moves, I can think of atleast 20 right now just sitting here so that's kinda out the window isn't it? Not to mention all the old moves he used to do in ECW that didn't carry over to the WWE, remember the Van Terminator?

You can't argue the fact that RVD is a hell of a performer and easily one of the best in the ECW brand along with the king Sabu.

Agreed, I dont see how anyone can say RVD has 3 or 5 moves, Oringinally, he didnt even finish his matches with the 5 star frog splash, it was more of a signature. He used the hollywood star press (split Legged Moonsault) and id really like to see everyones favorites John Cena and Batista do that. RVD hasent been amazing lately because mostly everything he has done have been either jobs or he hasent been trying because he knows he is leaving. Still, He trys more then Batista and Still his jobs arent even as terrible as they could be just because RVD is great and no one else on that Roster (save Punk and Sabu)

 

[X]

Actually it demonstrates the disproportionate free time on your hands.



Why not?



That isn't impressive.

Dude... first of all just watch a RVD match and you'll clearly see his moveset is far higher than those of John Cena and Batista, he has many, many moves. Second off, you can't make the argument that RVD isn't a hell of an athlete because I'd like to see you or any other smark on this board attempt to do even half the things he does, and you can't. So, unless you can tell me its easy to do a split legged moonsault, or a spinning heel kick off the top turnbuckle onto someone hanging on the security wall, than your argument makes no sense.

And how in gods name is Sabu not impressive? Do you even know what you're talking about, have you ever watched a match with Sabu OR RVD? Hell, go back and look at their stretcher match they had back in ECW, amazing what these guys did. For you to say that Sabu isn't impressive when every time he goes out there and delivers 110% is just insulting to Sabu, the business of wrestling, and to your intelligence. I'd like to see you win a barbed wire match with Terry Funk, guy.

 

[Retribution]

Dude... first of all just watch a RVD match

I've seen countless RVD matches.

Second off, you can't make the argument that RVD isn't a hell of an athlete because I'd like to see you or any other smark on this board attempt to do even half the things he does, and you can't.

I never claimed that I could do all the same gymnastics he does.

a spinning heel kick off the top turnbuckle onto someone hanging on the security wall, than your argument makes no sense.

I could do a spinning heel kick off the top turnbuckle onto someone hanging on the security wall.

have you ever watched a match with Sabu OR RVD?

Plenty.

I'd like to see you win a barbed wire match with Terry Funk, guy.

You do know it's scripted, right?


RVD impressed me most when I was like 14. How old are you?

 

[Shadowmancer]

Retribution even though the Barbed Wire match was scripted for the result the way that they got there wasn't. It doesn't matter that it was scripted either. It still would hurt like hell to have the barbed wire stick into you. RVD's old ECW matches were good. but his role in the wwe has been dropped down to what it is now.

 

[The Bad Guy]

Anyone who thinks that RVD can't wrestle is an idiot!
For one thing RVD isn't a traditional wrestler, he has an unorthodox style, a high flying, karate type style.
So why would you see very many wrestling moves from him in the first place?
If RVD is a spot monkey then I guess every high flying wrestler is a spot monkey, from Jimmy Snuka to the TNA X-Division guys!
You guys just have to learn to appreciate a match not just based on wrestling moves and expansive move sets, but also athleticism and charisma!

 

[Retribution]

Retribution even though the Barbed Wire match was scripted for the result the way that they got there wasn't. It doesn't matter that it was scripted either. It still would hurt like hell to have the barbed wire stick into you. RVD's old ECW matches were good. but his role in the wwe has been dropped down to what it is now.

Barbed wire isn't wrestling. "Hardcore" style wrestling impressed me when I was 14. It has gotten old for me now. RVD's gymnastics impressed me then too, but it's old hat now.

 

[X]

Your arguments still make absolutely no sense Retribution. You said that you can argue that RVD isn't a hell of an athlete, yet you give no reasons to your claim except that your not impressed with his "gymnastics".

And I'd like to see you do a spinning heel kick off the top rope to the security wall, because I guarantee you you'd either f*ck it up or it would look like complete shit compared to RVD doing the same thing.

And f*cking DUH the match was scripted, all matches are scripted but that doesn't mean that the match is easy or doesn't take a toll on it's opponents. For christ sake it took ECW officials 20 minutes just to untangle the two from the barbed wire because they were trapped in it together! I'd like to see you even attempt that stunt guy.

You say hardcore wrestling doesn't impress you, than what does? Solid in-ring work? Because RVD does plenty of that too. You're trying to argue with me and yet you give absolutely no reasons for your side of the argument.

Plain and simple, if you deny the talent that RVD has, you're just making a complete fool out of yourself. You may not like the guy but damnit you can't deny the things he does.

And not that its any of your damn business but I'm 24. And that barbed wire match still impresses me.

 

[Retribution]

Your arguments still make absolutely no sense Retribution. You said that you can argue that RVD isn't a hell of an athlete, yet you give no reasons to your claim except that your not impressed with his "gymnastics".

I'm not arguing that he is not a good athlete or that he is very athletic. He is. But that is different from liking his performances. I don't. There is a difference.

And I'd like to see you do a spinning heel kick off the top rope to the security wall, because I guarantee you you'd either f*ck it up or it would look like complete shit compared to RVD doing the same thing.

I stand by my claim that I could do that. This is a poor example of his athletic ability. He is more athletically gifted than what is required for this move.

And f*cking DUH the match was scripted, all matches are scripted but that doesn't mean that the match is easy or doesn't take a toll on it's opponents. For christ sake it took ECW officials 20 minutes just to untangle the two from the barbed wire because they were trapped in it together! I'd like to see you even attempt that stunt guy.

But it's not wrestling. Anyone can play with or in barbed wire. You have simply stated that because he was in a barbed wire match, that he is a magnificent wrestler. Yet you have yet to tell me any wrestling moves that he did in the match.

You say hardcore wrestling doesn't impress you, than what does? Solid in-ring work? Because RVD does plenty of that too. You're trying to argue with me and yet you give absolutely no reasons for your side of the argument.

I've given reasons.

Plain and simple, if you deny the talent that RVD has, you're just making a complete fool out of yourself. You may not like the guy but damnit you can't deny the things he does.

I'm indifferent about the "guy." But unimpressed by his performances in recent years.

 

[X]

Where? Where are your reasons for your side of the argument? Show me them, because so far all you've been doing is taking what I say and then responding with "Oh yeah but that doesn't make him good".

I did NOT state that simply because Sabu was in a barbed wire match that makes him a magnificent wrestler, no what makes him a magnificent wrestler are his moves, such as the Arabian facebuster and the Triple Jump Asai Moonsault. What makes him a terrific performer was that in that barbed wire match, a match notorious for it's stiffness, he was able to keep the crowd riveted and entertain every ass out there, which is the main point of every wrestling match, to entertain.

And about RVD, I said before that you can't argue he's a hell of an athlete, to which you responded "Yes you can", and have yet to show me how you're going to argue his skills as an athlete.

And if a spinning heel kick of the top rope doesn't impress you, I'd very much like to see you perform a split legged moonsault from a 12 foot ladder. I don't care if your the indy promotional God, I guarantee you can't do even a quarter of the things RVD does.

Jesus just go watch one of his ECW matches, and try to continue your point that he isn't good. Because with each post you're making yourself look increasingly more and more stupid.

If people like Rob Van Dam and Sabu don't impress you and make you say "Damn that man is a good wrestler" than you have absolutely no business in ever watching, let alone complaining, about wrestling ever again.

 

[Retribution]

And about RVD, I said before that you can't argue he's a hell of an athlete, to which you responded "Yes you can", and have yet to show me how you're going to argue his skills as an athlete.

If I questioned his athletic ability, then I misspoke. I do believe he is a gifted athlete, but that doesn't make him a good wrestler. It's as if I were to say that Dennis Rodman was a good wrestler because he is a gifted athlete.

And if a spinning heel kick of the top rope doesn't impress you, I'd very much like to see you perform a split legged moonsault from a 12 foot ladder. I don't care if your the indy promotional God, I guarantee you can't do even a quarter of the things RVD does.

Oh wait, we went from the unimpressive maneuver, top rope spinning heel kick, to a more impressive one, split leg off the ladder. I simply think the spinning kick was a poor choice to showcase his moves. If I were to compile a video of RVD's highlights, it would not showcase the spinning kick.

What do indy promotions have to do with this?

I never claimed to be able to do a quarter of the things RVD does. I claimed I could do one thing he does.

Jesus just go watch one of his ECW matches, and try to continue your point that he isn't good. Because with each post you're making yourself look increasingly more and more stupid.

What part of "I've watched countless RVD matches" don't you understand. You're lack of grasp on the English language makes you look like a fool, sir. I'd agree that his ECW stuff was better than his WWE stuff, but what more do you want?

If people like Rob Van Dam and Sabu don't impress you and make you say "Damn that man is a good wrestler" than you have absolutely no business in ever watching, let alone complaining, about wrestling ever again.

They don't make me say "Damn that man is a good wrestler." When I consider wrestling as wrestling. If I consider entertainment, the yea, they used to entertain me when they did huge spots.

Oh and I give Sabu his props for athleticism, especially these days considering his very physical history and age.

 

[DarylRocks69]

To be honest, you're the one who sounds ******ed. RVD may have BEEN good at one time, is what the guy was saying. All you keep saying is watch an ECW match, which today- RVD sucks in. He's not very exciting to watch. I hope his sorry ass does leave WWE for TNA, let them have the old crap that WWE doesn't want.

BOO THIS MAN ----->

 

[X]

All you have to do is strike a comparison between any other guy on ECW with RVD and you can see he does not suck now, nor has he ever. Even when he does the j-o-b he always makes his matches exciting, even tonight against Kevin Thorn who couldn't put over Andre the Giant if he wanted to, he made him look good.

You're saying his matches are spotfests, but isn't that what wrestling is? One spot to the other? I'm not talking about spots as in TLC matches where their constantly going through tables and off ladders, I'm talking spots like when RVD kicks a guy in the face without even elevating his body in any way, which makes the crowd go "Holy shit! How the hell did he do that?!". Did you see that kick he landed on Thorn tonight? Jesus man that's amazing that he has trained his body to perform that well.

If RVD isn't a good wrestler, I'd like to hear who you have to say IS a good wrestler.

 

[Retribution]

All you have to do is strike a comparison between any other guy on ECW with RVD and you can see he does not suck now, nor has he ever. Even when he does the j-o-b he always makes his matches exciting, even tonight against Kevin Thorn who couldn't put over Andre the Giant if he wanted to, he made him look good.

You're saying his matches are spotfests, but isn't that what wrestling is? One spot to the other? I'm not talking about spots as in TLC matches where their constantly going through tables and off ladders, I'm talking spots like when RVD kicks a guy in the face without even elevating his body in any way, which makes the crowd go "Holy shit! How the hell did he do that?!". Did you see that kick he landed on Thorn tonight? Jesus man that's amazing that he has trained his body to perform that well.

If RVD isn't a good wrestler, I'd like to hear who you have to say IS a good wrestler.

He has conditioned his body well, other than being out of shape, to an impressive level as far as athleticism is concerned. Yes, his full splits are impressive, but it ain't wrestling. Athleticism does not equate to great wrestling.

And who goes "holy shit, how the hell did he do that?!" when he kicks a guy in the face? Plenty of other martial artists can do that.

I'd watch any classic Rick Rude match before ANY RVD match.

 

[showtyme27]

Wrestling to me is more than hitting the high spots. It's about technicality and being able to have variety and uniqueness within your moveset/matches. Taker is one of the greatest big men of all time, no problems there. But I am personally not a fan of big men, or spot monkies. I am more of a fan of the well rounded guys. Angle, Joe, Punk, Benoit, Helms, Benjamin, Benoit, Eddie (RIP), Finlay, HBK (to an extent)... all men who can actually wrestle a well rounded match and make anyone look good.

See the thing about it is this is your opinion (which I don't agree with), RVD is a quilty wrestler, he has never been carried by anyone, RVD is as talented a wrestler as they come, I get your point about the more well rounded guys (because you named some of my favorite's your missing Brock Lesnar though) but in (real)ECW RVD WAS well rounded He did suplexes, locked in holds, and did thing's I still have yet to see him do in a WWE ring, RVD is still a quilty wrestler with tons of skill,RVD's style has been hurt by WWE's "rules of wrestling" when RVD first came to WWE he was doing WAY too much and looked akward in a WWE ring finally he slowed in down a little and now people are knocking his skill as a wrestler??? that's insane, my point is that RVD IS being held back by WWE, just think of his average WWE match compered to his average (real)ECW match. and you'll see that RVD is as great as they come and can hang with any and every wrestler in the known world IMO.

 

[X]

RVD could easily hang with HBK, Angle and Samoa Joe (want to talk about overrated guys theres one for ya).

I just don't understand your argument of how RVD isn't a good wrestler. What is wrestling to you? Does it require being stiff and not ever using the top rope? You have to face the facts that what was once considering "rasslin" is now wrestling and all the things you say aren't wrestling, are. With all the integration of MMA fighters, UFC fighters, and amateur wrestling stars into the WWE, all of their moves have BECOME wrestling. Everything evolves, and wrestling is no different. The ju jitzu(not sure how to spell that) kicks you see have become wrestling. Next your gonna tell me that lucha libre isn't wrestling.

The bottom line is that if wrestling had stayed the same is it was in the mid 90s with guys like Rick Rude (who was a marvelous wrestler) than there wouldn't be nearly as many wrestling fans as there are today. Without the attitude era, the introduction of ECW as a main force, and the WWE incorporating things such as lightweight wrestling and hardcore wrestling, the WWE might have very well lost its war to WCW. And that wouldn't be good for any wrestling fan, as WCW was not interested in what the fans wanted, it was interested in how to keep their top stars in the same spots and not let anyone young and talented come into those spots.

Things change man, you've got to accept that.

 

[Kasey]

So youre cover up is.....its ok that he's a slow, getting fat, no endurance having, same spot running piece of shit is because everyone else is too? Astounding how a smarks mind works. As far as stamina goes, I havent seen Cena sucking wind, sweaty, and red faced 5 minutes into a match, even with as many BREAKS as RVD takes in a match.

Not all of the WWE talent runs around looped on steroids to keep themselves up to snuff. The repetitive style that the majority of the WWE displays is plainly evident, and not just from RVD or Cena. Do I think it's okay that RVD is like this? No. I never have and have spoken my piece numerous times venting my frustration as to that. However, RVD definitely has a ceiling of potential he can reach (which he has before when wrestling for ECW), whereas Cena is pretty much as good as he's ever gonna get. Yet again, this is why I want RVD OUT OF THE WWE altogether. So he can get back to earning his paycheck wrestling in some decent matches with no limitations on what he can do in the ring.